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US Postal Service Bailout Imminent?

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It has long been known that the United States Postal Service, in its current money-losing format, is unsustainable. The media has reported in the past that in order for this bloated government anachronism to be remotely competitive in the age of email and FedEx, it would need to cut hundreds of thousands of its workers. Even the USPS, via its largest union, the National Association of Letter Carriers, has admitted that the organization will need to undergo "tough sacrifices" although as the WSJ noted, "It didn't specify what concessions it would seek from members." And this is where it gets fun: because "just the tip", or even just talking about the tip, apparently is more than labor unions in this country can stomach. Enter Ron Bloom, Lazard, and the very same crew that ended up getting a taxpayer funded bailout for GM. From the WSJ: "The Postal Service's proposal to close thousands of post offices and cut back on the number of days that mail is delivered "won't work" and would accelerate the agency's decline, according to the six-page report by Ron Bloom, President Barack Obama's former auto czar, and investment bank Lazard Ltd., LAZ who were hired by the union in October." That's right: after all the huffing and puffing about "sacrifice" and austerity, the labor union took one long look at the only option... and asked what other option is there.

"Instead, the report says, the agency should raise its stamp prices, which are among the lowest in the world, and find new ways to profit more from its built-in advantage as the only entity to reach every American home every day." Well that... And the internet. "It should also replace its multi-layered governance system with a corporate- style board of directors whose members have entrepreneurial experience." Translation - let's just continue doing what we do, but kill demand for our services even more, because it is not the massively bloated expense side of the ledger that is the issue, it is how much the USPS charges. And apparently in mailman econo-logic, increasing prices leads to increasing demand, all else equal. At least this bailout plan came in 6 pages, as opposed to the 3-page one penned by Hank Paulson. Yet the kicker is that the "other option" is well-known: taxpayers get to fund another wholesale bailout of yet another worthless, ineffective government organization. But hey: there are hundreds of thousands of labor union votes, pardon, jobs to be saved. And with elections just 6 months ahead, is there any doubt what will happen?

More from the WSJ:

The proposals are the opening salvo in what is expected to be a long series of negotiations as pressure mounts on Congress to approve legislation to restructure the Postal Service, which has said it is in danger of becoming insolvent without changes to its business model.

 

The union's plan is one of several competing proposals—including the Postal Service's and bills in Congress—that are promoting rescue ideas, and it illustrates the deepening divide over how to remake the 236-year-old institution for modern times.

And the shocker:

Labor groups, for instance, generally oppose cuts to service. The mailing industry opposes higher postage fees. Many legislators say the Postal Service needs to close facilities—but not in their district. And a Republican-led bill set to be heard by the full House looks askance at any proposal that would allow the Postal Service to compete with private industry. That bill's backers say the agency should act like a business—to a point. "Reducing excess capacity and adapting delivery to America's changing use of mail is exactly what any business would do as technology changes the market," said Ali Ahmad, a spokesman for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

In other words, "fix it", just don't make me lose anything in the process... or work harder of course. In the meantime...

The Postal Service is facing historic losses—more than $5 billion in its most recent fiscal year—that it attributes to a shift in communication habits in the digital age and to an unusual requirement imposed by Congress in 2006 that it fund retiree benefits decades ahead.

Ironically Ron Bloom is spot on. It is unclear however, if his statement was tongue in cheek:

The union concedes that some "shrinkage" in the system is necessary, Mr. Bloom said, but he added that the Postal Service's cuts will result in more revenue losses than savings.

 

He compared the Postal Service's strategy to General Motors Co. before its restructuring. "Their strategy was to lose slowly, to shrink to survive," he said.

Where Ron stopped short is that going from before to after restructuring involved billions in taxpayer cash. Yet unlike a just as bloated Chevy Volt post-reorg maker (not yet retrofitted with excess inventory Solyndra solar panels), at least the USPS can not stuff excess mail inventory in mail boxes. What it certainly can, however, is demand billions from taxpayers. Because, you know, if we just hope enough, things will change.

 


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Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment misterc
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It began as a mistake.

It was Christmas season and I learned from the drunk up on the hill, who did the trick every Christmas, that they would hire damned near anybody, and so I went and the next thing I knew I had this leather sack on my back and was hiking around at my leisure. What a job, I thought. Soft!

(Excerpt from Charles Bukowski's Post Office)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment machineh
Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment I think I need ...
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i don't know what i'll do just today i got a UPAK and victoria secret catalog, I also got an advertisement from ford on how much gas and money i'll save if i go buy an f-150 tomorrow

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment YC2
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I get a coupon catalog in spanish and an overdraft notice for a former resident every single day of the week.

Also, Ive seen statistics that 50% of food is thrown out in america.

I feel like for those who are not as wasteful, a reduction in "standard of living" might not hurt so much, depending on what parts are cut out. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment YC2
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Also, many would be surprised at the amount of business that the govt does with FedEx, UPS, and DHL.  Or not. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:51 | Link to Comment CH1
Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Ron Bloom is literally a boil on the ass of America.  Get this clown out of DC...and quickly so.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:44 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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That picture is vaguely reminiscent of the Monty Python Twit Olympics, which actually is a grand parody of the United States Congress circa 2012.

The shame of the matter is that the Post is Constitutionally mandated, and actually rather easy to run as a business, and they can't get that right.  So we are supposed to have faith that they get right the other 99% of Federal spending on quasi- and un-Constitutional and nebulous at best in terms of a business proposition?

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:33 | Link to Comment Isotope
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No, it's not mandated. The constitution gives congress the power to create and maintain a postal service and post roads, it doesn't require that they do it.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds."

Mother nature ain't got near the same power as few missed paychecks.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 00:20 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Just think how bad off other govt. agencies, unions and businesses would be, if it were mandated that they fully fund penisions and retiree heathcare benefits.  Not defending the post office or their unions, but come on no one else is funding the future Ponzi.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 02:38 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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PAEA
law passed in 2006 requires prepayment to fund for health benefits for
future retirees. 10 year plan 2007-2016. About $5.5 Billion required
each year. This is a manufactured crisis via a poison pill. The current
$44 Billion in fund has enough to pay benefits for 20 years.

 

USPS made $9.5 Billion profit from 2003-2006

 

It is just politicians getting their hands on the money just like 401k, pension, social security scam to spend it now, pass the buck to the next guy later.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:01 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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Why not just give the country to those cocksuckers?

Only way govt stops growing is firepower directed on the target

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 21:18 | Link to Comment taxpayer102
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Ron Bloom is a sellout, picked by investment bankers to setup the USPS for a "bailout" conditional on it being taken over by wall street thieves.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 00:27 | Link to Comment salvadordaly
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In reply to CH1

I will spare you the click,,,

 American Letter Mail Company

Being an advocate of self-employment and opponent of government regulation of business, Spooner started his own business called American Letter Mail Company which competed with the U.S. Post Office. Postal rates were notoriously high in the 1840s,[7] and in 1844, Spooner founded the American Letter Mail Company, which had offices in various cities, including Baltimore, Philadelphia, and New York.[8] Stamps could be purchased and then attached to letters which could be sent to any of its offices. From here agents were dispatched who traveled on railroads and steamboats, and carried the letters in hand bags. Letters were transferred to messengers in the cities along the routes who then delivered the letters to the addressees. This was a challenge to the United States Post Office's monopoly.[7][9] As he had done when challenging the rules of the Massachusetts bar, he published a pamphlet titled "The Unconstitutionality of the Laws of Congress Prohibiting Private Mails." Although Spooner had finally found commercial success with his mail company, legal challenges by the government eventually exhausted his financial resources. He closed up shop without ever having had the opportunity to fully litigate his constitutional claims.[citation needed] The lasting legacy of Spooner's challenge to the postal service was the 3-cent stamp, adopted in response to the competition his company provided.[10]

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment valley chick
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Many folks would be surprised on how many UPS, FED EX, DHL packages are brought to the post office for the Post Office to deliver.  Thats right...not all packages are delivered by the other companies so drop them off at the local post office for the postal carriers to deliver.  So be careful what you wish for. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:32 | Link to Comment aerojet
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That's a relatively recent development--an attempt to keep postal employees delivering something.  I'm sure the private carriers would adapt if USPS cuts back.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:46 | Link to Comment valley chick
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no...it is by contract.  Many are not familiar with the contract.  Cost effective for the other courier services. Don't think for one minute that the other courier services would not raise their fees if they did not the contract with the USPS. 

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 02:19 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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that's because USPS delivers where it is unprofitable for forprofit couriers as your right.

But most people live near cities and this is just subsidy to red state rednecks living in middle of nowhere needing taxpayers to subsidize them.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 21:37 | Link to Comment valley chick
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Wow ..3 down arrows on fact.  Reality check.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 17:26 | Link to Comment mkkby
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Raise the price of stamps until there's no more junk in my box.

Only deliver every other day.  What difference does it make if I get my electric bill on Monday or Tuesday?  I'm not gonna pay it until the 1st anyway.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 06:59 | Link to Comment onthesquare
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the only mail I want starts off with  "Pay to the Order of..."

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment The trend is yo...
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This is terrible news.  I won't get my bills on time or all thise great credit card offers.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER
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Who will deliver their unemployment checks? 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment The trend is yo...
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The postman always rings twice......Here"s Johnny

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:45 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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I thought it was all direct deposit now.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:35 | Link to Comment aerojet
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If it's anything like tax refunds and now SS money, the Internet will do it--faster, cheaper, and safer.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Ag1761
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Hey Tyler, where did you get the mail man uniform, love you in that picture :-)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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Yes, but remember they had great postal carriers - like Newman or Cliff Clavin.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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the check is in the unionMail

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:02 | Link to Comment HamyWanger
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What you are lobbying for ZH, the USPS closing shop???

You may be fortunate enough to have a computer with Internet and be able to pay FedEx fees, but not all Americans are the same. The regulated tariffs of the USPS are a blessing for many. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment xela2200
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You can access the internet for free at most libraries. All I get in the mail now a days is junk. All bills and statements are either sent to my email or accessible through the bank's site. Maybe, we could use the money wasted in snail mail to provide a free national wifi zone.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment Midas
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Uh, are libraries free?  Cause there was something about them on my last tax bill....

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:15 | Link to Comment max2205
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New rumor: USPS to be folded under TSA

TSA isn't a profit center and how better to keep track of all of us

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:55 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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Nearest library to me that has internet is 24 miles away.  Kind of far to walk.  And gas to get there is more expensive than a stamp.  But the PO on a rural route comes to me, sells me stamps, picks up mail and so on.  They are pretty hard to live without in rural areas, and UPS and Fedex often come late as they don't want to come all the way out here for just one package, so they wait till they have a few.

Their problem is they give super low rates to bulk mail, which is most of what they carry these days, and of course, the bad managment and the big union.  They'd be doing most of us a huge favor by jacking up bulk mail rates, frankly.  On the other hand, that snail spam gives great heat from the woodstove in winter.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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oooooh let's just take all POSITIVE CONTRACTS into illusion LECTRO land.

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and if you did not get it xela.

fuck you.

your horse.

your mom's horse.

and your mom's horse's fleas.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Well thought argument. It shows your mental capacity. Don't strain yourself now.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Demologos
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You mean the libraries that have not been sold off to for-profit companies?  The new "private library" will charge a hefty premium for using their computers and spy on everything you do to boot!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Maybe you are fortunate enough to be able to overpay for services which could be more efficiently provided in a competitive market but not all Americans can afford to throw money away like that. Times are tough.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:25 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I envision a giant mail drop in town for the rural, pick it up when you go for groceries...no more random carbon footprints thrown into the atmosphere six days a week for personalized delivery systems. No more ruts running off the sides of roads scarring nature. And no more M80's in the mailbox at graduation or Halloween...lol.

Central planning, its the most cost effective & green thing to do ;-)

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 07:06 | Link to Comment onthesquare
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Take a lesson from Hooterville and early America.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment narnia
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It's Constitutional for the federal government to operate the post office, but that doesn't mean the federal government must or even should operate the post office.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Hey everybody, it's Hamy-time!

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment duo
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do you really think if only FedEx and UPS were left, they could deliver a #10 envelope (business) across the country for $0.50?  It would at least be $2.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Guess what? The USPS can't do it either! Otherwise they wouldn't need constant bailouts.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Freddie
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ZH is still filled with a lot of f**ks who voted for the islamic.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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Show me one 'constant bailout" the postal service got in the past.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Demologos
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Stocktivity is the only one who seems to not have a conservative talking point to grind, including the Tylers.  The USPS has been completely independent of the federal budget for a long time.  The problem is that they can only raise the price of stamps in relation to the "official" inflation rate.  Of course, we all should know that the "official" inflation rate is a lie perpetrated to stiff the Social Security fund for what should be much higher COLAs.  That is why the amount people get from their Social Security payout is so paltry.

Remember, that the "official" inflation rate does not  include fuel prices.  When the price of fuel for the post office trucks and the jets flying airmail goes up, the USPS can't adjust the stamp prices to make up for it.  They just have to hope the fuel costs eventually go down.  Meanwhile, service suffers.  It has to come from somewhere.

The capper is that the Bush Congress passed a law forcing the USPS to fund the pension system fully for 75 years into the future.  That's right, by 2016 it has to be funded for people who have not been born yet that might be postal employees.  What other corporation, company or business has to do that?  This stunt was done to intentionally kill the post office.  And yes, FedEx and UPS will jack up their rates five minutes after the post office closes their doors.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 01:03 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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How many USPS retirees are getting two retirement checks. The first one from a branch of the military and the other from the USPS? How about the workers at the USPS simply get their contibution from SS only? Since the USPS is essentially a branch of the government who has always gotten free money from the feds, why the need for a seperate reitree benefit.

If the UPS can compete with the market then the employees could have a 401k just like UPS and Fed Ex? If anyone says they are not a branch of the government how much previous federal employment is used to calculate test scores, vacation, and sick leave?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Better to pay up front rather than through inflationary taxation.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 07:08 | Link to Comment onthesquare
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One way to pay up front would be to remove those warnings about not sending cash through the mail

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment valley chick
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Exactly.   It would be hard pressed to find any of the existing other companies wanting to get involved with letter mail for they know that there isn't any profits at the existing rates.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:36 | Link to Comment aerojet
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Regulated tariffs, sheesh!  They should charge what the market will bear.  And they do seem to be like buggy whip manufacturers at the dawn of the automobile.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment knukles
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Ron Bloom?
Oh sweet heaven beeJesus, I think my prostate just ruptured.

Just fucking in time for another "save" for the Unions Prior to the Elections.

That's awfully cynical, Knukles

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
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Family Guy - Prostate Exam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHKTE75dgE4 (1:09)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:02 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Once the easy listening post comes online for the Goobermint. Snail Mail will be relevent again. Unless they inovate a way to read folded letters.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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That's a joke, right? 

Shit, I learned how to read mail in sealed envelopes before I was outta middle school.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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You miss the point ... they would need actual, literate human beings to read snail-mail, especially since everyone's handwriting has gone to shit in this digital, typing-oriented age.

Along with using cash to pay for your coffee, a return to hand-written correspondence is one of those tiny acts of civil disobediance that could actually bring TPTB to their knees.  Whodathunkthat?

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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1) No they wouldn't.  Text can easily be read electronically.
2) It's very unlikely people would start writing by hand.
3) None of your correspondence is relevant enough to bring ANYTHING to its knees.  That's kinda silly.  But I guess if you believe that, just start sending letters now, eh?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Midas
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That was at least a well-balanced review of the situation. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment stacking12321
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Newman!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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Beat me to it  - should have used Newman!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Feldman!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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The USPS drinks your milkshake.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:04 | Link to Comment youngman
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AmTrak is next...I am holding my breath...lol

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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Wake me up when the highway system makes a profit.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Take a wild ass guess at how much profit is made possible in this country because of the highway system.

 

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 02:44 | Link to Comment Likstane
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For the contractors who build it or the users?  I'm sick of paying for your roads and your mail and the rest of your bullshit.   When there is profit to be made, a private company will make it happen.  Government is for defending its citizens.  That's all.  

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 07:10 | Link to Comment onthesquare
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The highway system was desiged to move war machines.  When are Americans going to stop using it and let it be used for just that?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Why on Earth does it cost the same amount to mail a letter to someone across the street as it does to mail something from Florida to Hawaii?

Privatize the USPS.  Allow competition.  Let the market decide.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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They lose money but they make it up on volume. lololololol

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Mr Drysdale
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I worked for a Foundry that had that business plan, the site is now a rubble strewn muddy field.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment ManOfBliss
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LOL

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Marginal Call
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The market can't compete with the post office, that's why it's been trying to destroy it.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment Sophist Economicus
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LMAO

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:16 | Link to Comment 0ppenheimer
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Perhaps, then, we ought to stop giving them exemptions from all taxes and enforcing a monopoly on all their productive services?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment Best Satan in Town
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The Clause has been construed to give Congress the enumerated power to designate mail routes and construct or designate post offices, with the implied authority to carry, deliver, and regulate the mails of the United States as a whole.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Clause

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment centerline
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Yeah, because the government is so efficient.  LOL.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:40 | Link to Comment aerojet
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No private enterprise can compete with any government-subsidized enterprise.  The government can suck money right out of your wallet and give it to the failing bastards--just look at Amtrak! 

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment mkkby
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Privatize it to wall street.  Those guys can hypothecate a profit out of anything.  Then make a fortune issuing it bonds and an IPO.  Corzine for postmaster general.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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What market?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment YC2
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They need to IPO so we can fix it using the marginal effects of incremental liquidity on equity prices!

 

Maybe AAPL can buy the USPS! 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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If the USPS goes public, the US would have to bring in workers on visas to work more for less pay. They could always make the requirements for the job nothing an American would know how to do, but then never have the worker to perform that function anyway to argue the need for people on visas to work the jobs.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Umh
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It keeps the need for math skills down.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment valley chick
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always had gone by weight not by the delivery destination.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Neo1
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Another CONgress created crisis. The big question is who benefits at the Post Offices expense? UPS,FEDEX,BANKS.  Almost all of the postal service’s losses over the last four years can be traced back to a single, artificial restriction forced onto the Post Office by the Republican-led Congress in 2006. At the very end of that year, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA). Under PAEA, USPS was forced to “prefund its future health care benefit payments to retirees for the next 75 years in an astonishing ten-year time span” — meaning that it had to put aside billions of dollars to pay for the health benefits of employees it hasn’t even hired, (or BORN) yet, something “that no other government or private corporation is required to do.”If the prepayments required under PAEA were never enacted into law, the USPS would not have a net deficiency of nearly $20 billion, but instead be in the black by at least $1.5 billion. In order to remedy this problem, Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) has introduced bipartisan legislation (which has 193 co-sponsors) that would allow the USPS to spend more of its own money to pay down its deficits, including $6.9 billion in pension overpayments or other overpayments that may total as much as $25 billion to $50 billion. These are Post Office funds, not taxpayer dollars.http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/28/330524/postal-non-crisis-post-office-save-itself/?mobile=nc The USPS is laboring under "a burden no other agency or company bears." Congress is stealing our hard earned stamp money, for unspecified but definitely probably unfair reasons. Also, we deliver medicine!The postal service's most pressing fiscal crisis arises from a provision in the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act that requires it to prefund its Retiree Health Benefits Fund at the rate of approximately $5.6 billion a year from 2007 to 2016; the agency has not been able to make those payments without running up huge deficits.http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/20/congress-is-stealing-the-post

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Flatten the price structure.  We don't really need the USPS to subsidize the magazine industry, do we?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Sabibaby
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or credit card offer industry and junk mail industry...

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Lobbyists gotta eat too, ya know.

Wait, on second thought...

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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I don't think those are "industries."

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:07 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Without the Junk mail industry, the USPS will go under the next day.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:39 | Link to Comment valley chick
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correct.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Mr Drysdale
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I check my mailbox once a week (seriously) On Thursday evening when I cart the trash bin out to the road, I sort thru my 'mail' and I swear I toss 90% of it into the trash can which happens to be right there. I can bank, and pay bills online. 3 day mail service for me would be more than enough.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 00:34 | Link to Comment Demologos
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And the bank farms out its data storage to another company that is too cheap to bother encrypting your account information, including mother's maiden name, SSN#, address, password etc.  Next thing you know, you have a seven-year credit hold like I do.  Ever wonder why banks (BOA for instance) show you a picture that only you can recognize with a description that only goes with that picture?  That is because it is so easy to steal your login and password.  The thieves have not figured out a way yet to steal the image that is in your brain you use to verify the picture shown on your login screen.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment junkyardjack
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Just because something is unsustainable doesn't mean it shouldn't continue on, just ask the banks

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:44 | Link to Comment nick howdy
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Yes but the difference is, the banks offer nothing at  all in terms of value so obviously we should bail out the banks and not the PS.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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ROFLOL!

While I'm no friend of the banks (as they exist today) to claim they provide no value is stupid squared. Without some form of capital aggregation, we'd all still be living like the peasants who had to depend soley on their own efforts to survive.

Leonard Reeds' "I pencil" is a fine example of the benefits of honest banking and the division of labor it supports.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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"the United States Postal Service, in its current money-losing format, is unsustainable"

If the USPS is unsustainable because it's burning through several billion dollars every year, what about the rest of the US Govt? When was the last time the GSA made us any money? When did the Pentagon last turn a profit? What's the ROI on the TSA?

At least the local postmaster is pleasant, and gets the mail in the PO boxes on time every morning. I have a suggestion: Let's keep the Postal Service, AND BURN THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORTHLESS UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO THE FOUNDATIONS!

Just a suggestion. And no, I do not work for the USPS. I'm still mad about the Silver Eagle a postal worker stole from an envelope I mailed.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Well maybe the govt would be allowed to get rid of the thousands of postal workers that go to a centralized building all across the country and watch TV all day because they can't work and can't be fired.  Maybe, just maybe those folks could be scrutinized a bit more and weaned of the govt teat.  I have a cousin that works in the post office and claims that 90% are just flat out lazy and have no pride in doing a job they are paid to do.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Umh
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I'm not sure about 90%, but way to many of them look and act like bums. I see quite a few of them in my daily travels; some look sharp and professional, but the rest we would be better off without.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment notadouche
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You woudn't see these employees because they don't actually leave the room.  It's 8 hours a day hidden from the public to get paid and stay off workmen's comp and I suppose a bit of a secret.  And yes 90% is a SWAG made from someone else, not my own eyes as I do not work for the postal service.

You 
Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Umh
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I only see the ones making deliveries and at the post office front desk. Your probably right on the assumption that the ones meeting the public would be the best:)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment valley chick
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wrong...jobs are by a seniority bid process.  Not by merit.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:50 | Link to Comment nick howdy
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Lot's of folks People/Politicians/Corporations are on the government teat in one way of another, They say look at the P.O.S. Postal Worker and then get their check from the Government and say "but I deserve it"..  

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:15 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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the United States Postal Service, in its current money-losing format, is unsustainable

well perhaps some other "money losing format" for the USPS will prove sustainable.  There are practically an infinite no. of possible combinations that wont work.  Let's try them all.  Gives "going postal" a whole new meaning.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment mkkby
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I'll gladly supply my share of the gas and matches.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I remembered that when i was growing up the postal service was held as a beacon to government efficiency as it was one of the only govt ran agencies that turned a profit.  I may be "misremembering" to steal a phrase but I thought that was the word back in the day.  If so WTF happened?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Blammo
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Neither rain nor snow nor drive something ..something

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment knukles
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Well, the Fed turns a profit.

Oh, yeah, I forgot.
They're owned by the bankers, print money for free, wire funds to anybody anywhere, are unaudited....
Oh, neverthefuckmind

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment valley chick
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Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds. 

Fixed it for you. :)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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"If so WTF happened?"

Pensions... and healthcare for their retirees. They are the only government agency that is required to prepay their health benefits fund.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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LOL, how do you get junked for simply stating a fact...:)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:05 | Link to Comment nick howdy
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That is a fact...ask this guy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STd8WKEXbEA&feature=relmfu

 

Yes he works for the PS...Don't piss him off..He brings new meaning to the phrase "Going Postal".

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:49 | Link to Comment centerline
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A week or so ago someone junked a response that simply stated a physics equation.  Must be the same guy/gal.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Benjamin Glutton
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Poison pill from previous admin.

 

nice to see someone is paying attention.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Normalcy Bias
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I don't think there were letter carriers pulling down the equivalent of $80-90K a year back then.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:31 | Link to Comment valley chick
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ROFLOL....No they do not make 80-90K a year...even now.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 00:37 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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There are actually a few carriers that can walk fast and put mail in the boxes quickly. They get a metric fuckton of overtime, because they have to bail out the shitheads who can't get their route finished by 6pm.

They're the ones pulling down 90k/yr.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 06:23 | Link to Comment valley chick
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lol...no way the carriers are making 90K.  Management yes...carriers, clerks, mail handlers no.  You are talking about level 4,5, and possible level 6 (may have a few of those employees still around) versus management at levels 11 on up.  To maybe get as high as 50K as a distribution clerk working nights and all possible overtime available.  Working after 6 pm would make available the pay for night differential which the carriers can not make.  Plus the carriers do not make the overtime when they have to be back with mail for pickup to be transported to the distribution centers.  As for rural carriers they get basically an expense check for using their own vehicle and for gas which barely covers if at all completely. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment xela2200
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I thought that the US mail was founded as a necessary means of communication, and as such it became the task of the government to manage it. Not really as a for profit entity but more like a social program. Imagine a time of bad or no roads in bad wheather. Hence the slogan "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds."

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Ummmm... NO.

It's about monopoly revenue. Lysander Spooner beat the pants off of them, so they shut him down and declared an official monopoly. Like everything government "does," someone was already doing it long before they came along with their gang and took it over. Why? Because someone recognized an unmet human need and found an efficient enough way to meet it as to attract customers. (that's how freedom works)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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True. They were the *only* ones who would go to any address.  Not 35 years ago it was very difficult to get Fedex or UPS to come to where I live at all, for any money.  They just wanted the juicy profitable routes.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:32 | Link to Comment valley chick
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@DCFusor, even today the other carriers (FED EX, DHL, UPS) deliver their packages to the post office and have the postal carriers deliver to the door.  And may i add quite a few of them.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:22 | Link to Comment knukles
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Actually, the USPS was established to take the place of shouting which was first established as a necessary means of communication.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Marginal Call
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The Bush administration put a provision in their budget to kill em. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:54 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Is this you Obama.  It's time to quit blaming Bush.  The postal service as an operation started failing long before Bush came along and Obama has deemed he can do what he wants when he wants, rule of law be damned.  So C'mon now Bush, really????  Not saying he is blameless in the worlds problems but it's time for hope and change.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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Hey shithead.  Who's president again?   NOW? 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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I think their big present day shortfall is from a change in terms on debt.  I don't know if this is true, but i was told by a postal worker that the post office used to operate under a loan with 90 year terms.  And recently the terms were shortened drastically.  Hence the shortfall. 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment Umh
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Would you loan them money for 90 years?

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment bluestaq
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First-class mail volume is down almost 50% from 12 years ago..that alone is disasterous for the USPS.  That's the story that gets all the press, but what doesn't get talked about is that the USPS can only raise postage costs by the "official" amount of inflation.  Considering that the USPS is the nation's largest consumer of gas and gas costs have skyrocketed beyond the "official" rate of inflation, its should be no suprise that they are getting killed because they can't charge what the service costs to produce.  We can blame the unions all we want, and there is enough blame to go around, but even this is a fiat currency issue at its core.   

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Umh
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You've got a point, but if they were not delivering all that junk mail their gas cost would go down and their bags would not be so heavy.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment valley chick
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ding...ding...ding we got a winner!!  :)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Mr Drysdale
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Or quit saturday deliveries, and only go to 3 days a week.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment RacerX
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Bwaha ahahahahah.. Labor unions are goign to suck on this teat for as long as they can.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment centerline
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The next great divide... Public sector against private sector.  That is when we find out most public sector workers actually think the private sector owes them a pension, benefits, heathcare, etc.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment knukles
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Oh, I got it!
The New Normal Save!

Just raise the price of stamps by 1 cent for the 1%ers.
Make those fucking rich bleed.

Social Justice for All.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Or try the Buffet Postal Rule: Rich bastards must be compelled to pay the same proportion of their income for postal services as do their secretaries.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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When it absolutely, positively has to be there someday.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Umh
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I'll give them a bone. Their delivery time is pretty good when it gets delivered to the correct address.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment 0ppenheimer
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No no no.

It was just those evil Republicans who forced the USPS to fund the NPV of their pensions that are the cause of this problem.

 

If we don't force them to actually fund their million-employee pension program then they'll be doing fine (as long as we keep exempting them from nearly every tax and we enforce a federal monopoly on their only productive services)

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment xela2200
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I wish people would stop aligning with themselves with a party. The same idiot politicians on both sides. Pepsi or Coke.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment knukles
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Wait a minute... coke's illegal in California...

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment 0ppenheimer
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I'm not aligning with a party, but the blame for USPS's woes is almost always attributed to Republicans.

I'm not suggesting one party is superior to the other. They're both shiprats AFAIC

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment Reptil
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exactly! and again the american public swallows the lies.

who benefits?

THE BANKS!

 

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Dburn
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Fucking idiot.

Thu, 04/19/2012 - 00:41 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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Imagine if every entity had to fund their pension from revenues!

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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Imagine how much cheaper UPS and FedEx would be if they were allowed to use your mailbox.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Occupy Mail Slot. Coming to an address near you.

Wed, 04/18/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Midas
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There is nothing stopping you from putting up your own box for either UPS or Fedex.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!