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US Totalitarian State Wins After All: Obama Reinstates NDAA Military Detention Provision

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Just over a week ago, we wrote of the challenge to Obama's NDAA totalitarian bill. Hope remained that Chris Hedges' view of the indefinite detention as "unforgivable, unconstitutional, and exceedingly dangerous" would bolster judgment. However, as Russia Today reports, a lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House's ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on the previous Chris Hedges'-driven order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction. The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue. It would appear the total fascist takeover of Amerika is drawing nearer by the day.

Some background:

What is ironic, is that in the ongoing absolute farce that is the theatrical presidential debate, there hasn't been one word uttered discussing precisely the kind of creeping totalitarian control, and Orwellian loss of constitutional rights, that the biparty-supported NDAA would have demanded out of the US republic. Why? Chris Hedges said it best:

The oddest part of this legislation is that the FBI, the CIA, the director of national intelligence, the Pentagon and the attorney general didn’t support it. FBI Director Robert Mueller said he feared the bill would actually impede the bureau’s ability to investigate terrorism because it would be harder to win cooperation from suspects held by the military. “The possibility looms that we will lose opportunities to obtain cooperation from the persons in the past that we’ve been fairly successful in gaining,” he told Congress.


But it passed anyway. And I suspect it passed because the corporations, seeing the unrest in the streets, knowing that things are about to get much worse, worrying that the Occupy movement will expand, do not trust the police to protect them. They want to be able to call in the Army. And now they can.

Via RT, Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA:

A lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process.


Last week, a federal judge ruled that an temporary injunction on section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 must be made permanent, essentially barring the White House from ever enforcing a clause in the NDAA that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on that order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction.


The stay will remain in effect until at least September 28, when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to begin addressing the issue


On December 31, 2011, US President Barack Obama signed the NDAA into law, even though he insisted on accompanying that authorization with a statement explaining his hesitance to essentially eliminate habeas corpus for the American people.


“The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it,” President Obama wrote. “In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”


A lawsuit against the administration was filed shortly thereafter on behalf of Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges and others, and Judge Forrest agreed with them in district court last week after months of debate. With the stay issued on Monday night, however, that justice’s decision has been destroyed.


With only Judge Lohier’s single ruling on Monday, the federal government has been once again granted the go ahead to imprison any person "who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners" until a poorly defined deadline described as merely “the end of the hostilities.” The ruling comes despite Judge Forrest's earlier decision that the NDAA fails to “pass constitutional muster” and that the legislation contained elements that had a "chilling impact on First Amendment rights”


Because alleged terrorists are so broadly defined as to include anyone with simple associations with enemy forces, some members of the press have feared that simply speaking with adversaries of the state can land them behind bars.


"First Amendment rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and cannot be legislated away," Judge Forrest wrote last week. "This Court rejects the Government's suggestion that American citizens can be placed in military detention indefinitely, for acts they could not predict might subject them to detention."


Bruce Afran, a co-counsel representing the plaintiffs in the case Hedges v Obama, said Monday that he suspects the White House has been relentless in this case because they are already employing the NDAA to imprison Americans, or plan to shortly.


“A Department of Homeland Security bulletin was issued Friday claiming that the riots [in the Middle East] are likely to come to the US and saying that DHS is looking for the Islamic leaders of these likely riots,” Afran told Hedges for a blogpost published this week. “It is my view that this is why the government wants to reopen the NDAA — so it has a tool to round up would-be Islamic protesters before they can launch any protest, violent or otherwise. Right now there are no legal tools to arrest would-be protesters. The NDAA would give the government such power. Since the request to vacate the injunction only comes about on the day of the riots, and following the DHS bulletin, it seems to me that the two are connected. The government wants to reopen the NDAA injunction so that they can use it to block protests.”


Within only hours of Afran’s statement being made public, demonstrators in New York City waged a day of protests in order to commemorate the one-year anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Although it is not believed that the NDAA was used to justify any arrests, more than 180 political protesters were detained by the NYPD over the course of the day’s actions. One week earlier, the results of a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the American Civil Liberties Union confirmed that the FBI has been monitoring Occupy protests in at least one instance, but the bureau would not give further details, citing that decision is "in the interest of national defense or foreign policy."


Josh Gerstein, a reporter with Politico, reported on the stay late Monday and acknowledged that both Forrest and Lohier were appointed to the court by President Obama.

As Chris Hedges said so well last week as he sued Barack Obama:

This demented “war on terror” is as undefined and vague as such a conflict is in any totalitarian state. Dissent is increasingly equated in this country with treason. Enemies supposedly lurk in every organization that does not chant the patriotic mantras provided to it by the state. And this bill feeds a mounting state paranoia. It expands our permanent war to every spot on the globe. It erases fundamental constitutional liberties. It means we can no longer use the word “democracy” to describe our political system.

The supine and gutless Democratic Party, which would have feigned outrage if George W. Bush had put this into law, appears willing, once again, to grant Obama a pass. But I won’t. What he has done is unforgivable, unconstitutional and exceedingly dangerous. The threat and reach of al-Qaida—which I spent a year covering for The New York Times in Europe and the Middle East—are marginal, despite the attacks of 9/11. The terrorist group poses no existential threat to the nation. It has been so disrupted and broken that it can barely function. Osama bin Laden was gunned down by commandos and his body dumped into the sea. Even the Pentagon says the organization is crippled. So why, a decade after the start of the so-called war on terror, do these draconian measures need to be implemented? Why do U.S. citizens now need to be specifically singled out for military detention and denial of due process when under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force the president can apparently find the legal cover to serve as judge, jury and executioner to assassinate U.S. citizens, as he did in the killing of the cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen? Why is this bill necessary when the government routinely ignores our Fifth Amendment rights—“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law”—as well as our First Amendment right of free speech? How much more power do they need to fight “terrorism”?

Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission.


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Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:26 | 2807610 SolidSnake961
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bow your head

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:30 | 2807628 Induced Coma
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Does anyone believe that the Gov or any of its military/security divisions would abide by the law anyways? if they want to indefinitely detain someone, they'll find a way to do it, whether the law allows for it or not.  It's not like the population is holding the government accountable for any of the other laws they are breaking.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:36 | 2807655 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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the president is trying to protect us from forces we do not understand. his vision and respect for the rights of those who are law abiding and honest is why this is needed. i am sick and tired of these race based attacks towards our president. only idiots clinging to their bibles and guns fear this legislation.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:39 | 2807663 john39
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MDB, is that you?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:54 | 2807740 Dixie Rect
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I hereby nominate  fxrxexexdxoxmx for douchebag of the month!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:55 | 2807756 chumbawamba
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Hey, did you guys know the Federal Reserve has its own police force?,_a_Privately_Owned_Ba...

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:02 | 2807787 john39
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yeah, its called the pentagon...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:46 | 2808014 Michael
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I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at all the Blue on Green killing going on in Afghanistan these days.

The Afghanis let their stupid would be conquerers arm them to the teeth and are now turning their weapons on the ones who gave them all those shinny new weapons.

The Afghans perfected the art of war. It's a completely decentralized form of national defense. A strategy like the Ron Paul Crew uses.

No one has ever conquered Afghanistan for a considerable period of time throughout their entire history. That's why they say Afghanistan is the country other countries go to die.

In the USA, their training sub 100IQ DHS snipers to kill Americans in our own country and have bought so far 1.6 billion hollow point bullets to do it with.

Again I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass off hoping they continue doing so.

Their just arming the American people with all that Guns and ammo to be turned on and used against TPTB when the time comes.

You can take the boy out of the jungle, but you can never take the jungle out of the boy.



Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:48 | 2808027 JPM Hater001
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They are holding someone and the last thing they want is that person in front of a judge.

I'm sure of it now.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:54 | 2808056 negative rates
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Now who looks stupid?? The law of course?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:01 | 2808087 Michael
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We are here to protect you.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:37 | 2808151 Michael
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I am voting for President Barack H Obama and voting against every currently sitting congress critter incumbent up for reelection on the ballot in November.


Correction: Green on UN Blue.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:51 | 2808287 Anusocracy
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"Now who looks stupid?"

The losers that support government. They voluntarily enslave themselves and sacrifice their lives for their worthless puppetmasters.

Four hundred million killed in the 20th century.

How many in the 21st?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:59 | 2808308 Anusocracy
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Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:36 | 2808407 dadichris
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If that country didn't produce 99% of the worlds heroin the US wouldn't even be there.  Narcotics are the official currency of the CIA.  No drugs = no covert anything.  But I totally agree with you. Anyone who thinks they can "win" in afghanistan belongs on the short bus.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 23:36 | 2809740 Money Squid
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Drug money is the money of the wealthy. From the East India Trading Company to Exxon\Mobile\BP\Shell to GE\JPMorgan\GoldmanSachs\GeneralMotors, drug money is the only thing keeping the western economic system operating. It is far greater than just some black ops funding.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 10:08 | 2810842 Kobe Beef
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I'll take Russell & Co. for 5,000, Alex. What is the Russell Trust? What is Skull and Bones? What is Brown Brothers Harriman? Who are the Delanos? Who are the Bushes? Who are the Coolidges? The Cabots, Forbes and Lows? And finally, what is the Council on Foreign Relations?


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 23:32 | 2809731 Money Squid
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"That's why they say Afghanistan is the country other countries go to die."

In the Graveyard of Empires: America's War in Afghanistan
Seth G. Jones

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:04 | 2807798 XitSam
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:00 | 2808081 negative rates
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A wearhouse is empty, until proven full.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:05 | 2807804 camaro68ss
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you win Douche bag of the Month award. Its no small feat,


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:22 | 2807895 smlbizman
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new fight club voting urself an up arrow....ok fxrxexassholefuckface

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:08 | 2808110 Michael
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I voted Freedom an up arrow for it's cleverness and wit.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:49 | 2808281 smlbizman
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 michael, even jeff ross thought it was to soon...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:03 | 2808092 Ignatius
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Zerohedge:  I came for the charts and stayed for the crazy.

This is my kinda crazy.  Important article and subject.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 17:07 | 2808514 tip e. canoe
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looks like the question of whether the cops are public or private is as murky as it is for their bosses.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:16 | 2807866 Urban Redneck
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<-- I am utterly opposed to the NDAA, and wouldn't wish that experience on anyone

<-- I hereby nominate fxrxexexdxoxmx for a one way trip to Guantanomo Bay


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:16 | 2807867 Hippocratic Oaf
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It's not MDB. It's some fuktard that hasn't stepped out of mommies basement since 2008. I can't down arrow this motherfucker fast enough!


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 20:03 | 2809030 Clashfan
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"Maybe he's just acting stupid to infiltrate an international gang of idiots."

--H. Simpson

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 02:53 | 2809995 Ar-Pharazôn
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he looks like MDB from the troll style

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:39 | 2807664 Pladizow
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You guys remember that country called America?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:41 | 2807676 CPL
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It's by the unicorn ranch and skittles harvesting center.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:49 | 2807727 SilverTree
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Death to tyrants.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:59 | 2807770 sickofthepunx
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lol at the indoctrinated fools who actually believed we lived in a free country in the 1st place.

this government has always been by, for and of the rich.

anyone who ever fought to make this country live up to it's ideals is takin a dirt nap.

me thinks you morons believed your 9th grade civics teacher


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:13 | 2808131 Think for yourself
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True, there was no real Golden Age, but they're definitely doing the best to return us to the Dark Ages, though

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:30 | 2808218 HoofHearted
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<---- fredxrightsaidfredainttoosexyxxx is Al Sharpton

<---- fredxwhateverthehellxxx is a government informant looking to ferret out us Muslim-loving assholes on ZeroHedge

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:39 | 2808428 howenlink
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I'm beginning to think the Dark Ages may have actually been a period of personal freedom that modern texts don't want you to know about.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 18:34 | 2808762 Think for yourself
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just like the Paris collective and the Spanish "Utopia" during the civil war. You should watch "Vivir la utopia", that's a great documentary about a-statism!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:02 | 2808321 Anusocracy
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It died, but the Soviet Union took its place.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:39 | 2807665 krispkritter
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Nigga Done Assaulted America...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:48 | 2807715 NewWorldOrange
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I can think of no greater example of a TRAITOR in all of human history than Barack POS Obama.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:59 | 2807773 Shell Game
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You ain't seen nothing yet.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:05 | 2807801 NewWorldOrange
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No doubt. The next's hard to imagine this site even being up in 4 more years.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:29 | 2807905 BlueCollaredOne
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I believe ZH's servers are in Sweden, can't remember where I saw that info.  That being said until America gets some sort of firewall where we can only access domestic servers, I dont see that being an issue.

That being said, Im sure one day soon our internet will be like China, where we can only see what we are meant to see.  It will be for our own safety of course.


Edit:  Nevermind, its bulgaria/switzerland

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:31 | 2807941 NewWorldOrange
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BCO, I think it's pretty unlikely that in terms of "cybersecurity", freedom of expression, whether in American or on a global scale, that the world four years from now will even remotely resemble what exists today. It's probably changed more in the last 10 than in the last 100 and it's only going more parabolic.

Weren't piratebay's servers in Sweden too? (yeah, "their" site is still up, but look at the link code for almost anything posted there -- RIAA et al tracker code clearly embedded.)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 17:57 | 2808658 Left Right Wrong
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Can you elaborate on the RIAA tracker code please? I don't know what that means nor see it on the site.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 07:56 | 2810275 NewWorldOrange
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Do a search on almost any popular (or not) TV episode or movie. Inspect the element behing the "Get This Torrent" link. Most look like this now:

That one is from the most seeded torrent for the latest episode of Breaking Bad. It is not the exceptiion, it is the norm.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:36 | 2807972 LMAOLORI
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Bypassing Congress again


President Barack Obama seems determined to reign over one of the most imperial White Houses in history.

The president is poised to demonstrate that once again, to judge by reports he plans to issue an executive order to protect critical U.S. computer systems such as those regulating financial systems and power grids.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:22 | 2808138 I only kill chi...
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Try servers in Switzerland, not that it makes a difference, did you actually read from your link that states the servers are provided by Nine Internet Solutions AG, SWITZERLAND.

edit my ass, read it before you post a link

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:23 | 2808185 PontifexMaximus
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He is with one of the best servers in Switzerland....

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:01 | 2808317 Ratscam
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Switzerland has no freedom of speech when it comes to calling foreigners or religious believers certain names or negating history written by the winners.
Then again i highly doubt that even with the somewhat blunt comments, zh could be accused according to the Anti-Rassismus law.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 03:05 | 2810003 Ar-Pharazôn
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LOL you really dont know ANYTHING.


speaking of history written by winners, do you know how much Switzerland payed back on jews associations for the gold stored here?



Wed, 09/19/2012 - 03:33 | 2810027 Urban Redneck
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Reading Comprehesion is a good skill to have... might want to pick some up some time... (googled into Swinglish)

Article 261 

Racial discrimination

Whoever publicly against a person or group of persons because of their race, ethnicity or religion calls to hatred or discrimination,

who publicly distributed ideologies, which are directed towards the systematic reduction or defamation of members of a race, ethnicity or religion,

who with the same goal propaganda campaigns organized promotes or participates in,

Who publicly, by word, writing, images, gestures, assaults or otherwise a person or group of persons because of their race, ethnicity or religion in an act contrary to human dignity manner that disparages or discriminated against, or against any of these reasons genocide or other crimes humanity denies, grossly plays down or justify searches,

who refused an offered him power, which is intended for the general public to a person or group of persons because of their race, ethnicity or religion,

shall be punished with imprisonment up to three years or a fine.


1 Inserted by Article 1 of the Federal Act of 18 June 1993, in force since 1st Jan. 1995 (AS 1994 2887; BBl 1992 III 269).

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 09:26 | 2810624 Ratscam
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Thanks UR!

Too many people prefer believing over knowing, either due to lack of interest or not devoting time to an issue.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 03:05 | 2810005 Ar-Pharazôn
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Switzerland is the last place on earth where you have a real free speach right!


Wed, 09/19/2012 - 03:24 | 2810019 Ratscam
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i doubt you even speak one of the four recognized languages of in Switzerland. Calling any person from another nationality or religion dirty in public i.e. Drecks-Jugo or Drecks-Jude will cause serious legal problems. ok, you don,t go to jail but you end up with high legal costs and a hefty fine.
TPTB made sure to waive through the Antirassismus law, before the holocaust money even became an issue. Wake up to reality, Switzerland is not the land of milk and honey any longer.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 18:01 | 2808673 Left Right Wrong
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China/Axis of Evil's Information Control Strategy: Restrict flow of information (i.e. limit internet access and content)

UNITED STATES' Information Control Strategy: OVERLOAD flow of information, mix dis/mis-information in with truth to make it hard to discern, baffle them with bullshit, celebrity (cult of personality) gossip, and useless programming.

It's a question of whether you try to dam up the stream, or open the floodgates and drown out the truth. 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:10 | 2807833 overmedicatedun...
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"criminals "will think these regs and laws and orders unjust..the good citizen will obey ,OBEY. not what my country can do for me, but to me is what counts. obuma is what he is. no surprise, no oh my god no moment..did anyone expect less? if you did you are not paying attention.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:15 | 2808139 A Nanny Moose
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Indeed. This is still the conditioning phase. Normalization of serfdom soon to follow.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:07 | 2807817 Cathartes Aura
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oh my, all of human history?

be angry all you want people, but keep your minds straight, if you can.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:19 | 2807879 NewWorldOrange
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"be angry all you want people"

Hyprocrite much? You've been following me around for days in anger because I criticized something you said! LMAO

Sheesh, if you're gonna' take on that task, can't you at least find something better, like maybe give us an example of who you think is a better example? C'mon thin-skinned stalker boi. Give us just one example of who you think is a better example of a traitor.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:45 | 2808001 Cathartes Aura
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you are hilarious, and paranoid-delusional - "following you around for days" ?  links.

as to who is a better example of a "traitor" to your idea of a nationstate - here's something Chumba linked on a thread you apparently didn't post at. . . backstory.

"stalker boi" - *laughs*

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:50 | 2808036 NewWorldOrange
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So your "answer" to who provides a better example of a traitor is...a link to part 1 of a six hour video on Youtube...

Maybe you could simply provide a name? Like I said already...crickets...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:59 | 2808080 Cathartes Aura
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yes, indeed, a "name" would explain everything, wouldn't it.

just junk me down the thread, it's easier. . .

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:25 | 2808194 tip e. canoe
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haha i was just going to link that...seems more appropriate in this thread.

all 6 parts here:

this ruling should come as no surprise after listening.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:12 | 2807845 TheObsoleteMan
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The Kenyan pretender has not betrayed the Marxist cause, therefore he can't be called a traitor.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 19:17 | 2808868 TimmyB
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The "funny" thing is Romney said he'd do the exact same thing, and sign the NDAA into law.  So, if Obama is a traitor, isn't Romney one too?  And in the end, doesn't the fact that both Obama and Romney support the NDAA Military Detention Provisions prove once and for all that voting in this country is a fuck sham designed to create the false impression that citizens rule, instead of the owners of this country?   

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 19:51 | 2808983 DosZap
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So, if Obama is a traitor, isn't Romney one too? And in the end, doesn't the fact that both Obama and Romney support the NDAA Military Detention Provisions prove once and for all that voting in this country is a fuck sham designed to create the false impression that citizens rule, instead of the owners of this country?


O doesn't care, Romulus has a different base to answer to.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:53 | 2807739 DaveyJones
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change you can bereave in

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:11 | 2807837 Gazooks
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He promised us transparent government,

...and now it's absolutely clear.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:34 | 2807961 NewWorldOrange
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"...and now it's absolutely clear."

Yes, but unfortunately, not to the wingnuts who support "both" parties and do most of the rubber-stamping in November.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:35 | 2807970 machineh
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'the total fascist takeover of Amerika is drawing nearer by the day'

This would have been a timely observation in, oh, 1993.

At this point, the takeover is 20 years in the rearview mirror.

Or almost fifty, if you count from 22 Nov 1963.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 21:52 | 2809439 Clashfan
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And that's an excellent place to start counting. Sure, it existed before, but that one really cemented it. Downfall traceable to there. From there to the Fed R fifty years earlier.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:40 | 2807670 Vincent Vega
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Forget your <sarc> tag or are you just the latest troll on this site?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:39 | 2807671 3rdgrader
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You will be absorbed. Resistance is futile. Submit to the Bankers. Bankers are Gods and must be worshipped. Without Bankers we would all be wealthy, I would not be able to bear that.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 18:41 | 2808780 CH1
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Can you imagine how rich we'd be without the state?

Double your income at least, and massively increase your opportunities.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:42 | 2807681 Skateboarder
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The enemy, unknown, is so omnifarious and omnipresent that it will certainly require your indefinite detention to keep him at bay! Of course, this is all for your own protection...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:42 | 2807685 ZDRuX
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I can't tell if this guy is serious, or serious trollin'

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:57 | 2807761 Chump
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He gave it away with the clinging to guns and Bibles bit.  Low grade parody troll.  Zzzzzz.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:43 | 2807690 Pooper Popper
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If obama had a troll he would look just like you!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:47 | 2807709 optimator
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Right, and I'll feel even better protected once they get those 30,000 armed drones over us.  Nothing can get the Ban....I mean, us, then.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:47 | 2807710 UGrev
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In my most sincerest of tones.. GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU FUCKING PUSSY!!! 

The military has NO RIGHTS to subdue or police the people of this country. Posse Comitatus or STFU. this is not about "protecting us". This is about CONTROLLING DISSENT!! You stupid, fucking, ass-clown. Go find a rock, crawl under it.. let the big boys keep watch because clearly FREEDOM is too fucking hard for you to keep.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:51 | 2807734 DaveyJones
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you misspelled fred on your avatar

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:53 | 2807737 Induced Coma
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Haha, good one. Love your sarcasm. I like how you managed to change the argument to be something about the president. Back in the day, when the sock puppet told everyone that "THEY" hate us for our freedoms - people like you assumed "THEY" where some group in the ME somewhere. "THEY" are actually TPTB here.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:54 | 2807748 chumbawamba
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Nigger is as nigger does.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:57 | 2807762 duo
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you must be one of the 47%, fxrx

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:58 | 2807768 imbtween
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yes, why do these ZH trolls hate America so?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:24 | 2807907 Dapper Dan
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You’re implying that the President understands what we need to be protected from; I believe he knows very little if anything about the Problems in the M/E, you would agree he gets all his information from his advisers, and then he takes action.

I would have to say that Chris Hedges understands far more than the president in this regard, after all,  he has actually spent considerable time over there.

As for respect for the rights of those who are law abiding and honest, 

I think that is the problem Chris and the Judge who made the injunction want rectified, it all comes down to "definitions"  like,  define "law abiding" or "honest".

The following from Chris Hedges.

“The Government was unable to offer definitions for the phrases ‘substantially support’ or ‘directly support,’ ” the judge wrote. “In particular, when the Court asked for one example of what ‘substantially support’ means, the Government stated, ‘I’m not in a position to give one specific example.’ When asked about the phrase ‘directly support,’ the Government stated, ‘I have not thought through exactly and we have not come to a position on ‘direct support’ and what that means.’ In its pre-trial memoranda, the Government also did not provide any definitional examples for those terms.”



Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:49 | 2808031 Gringo Viejo
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fxrx: I 'spect I'll be clingin' to mine for a while longer. As to you, may the mob put you in fish net stockings and use you for what you are.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:02 | 2808089 Grinder74
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Wow, your comment is losing 5 to 144.  By the way, the president is just as much "white" as he is "black". 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 21:54 | 2809442 Clashfan
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...and related to both Bushmonkey and Cheney.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:09 | 2808112 Bicycle Repairman
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I congratulate fxrxexexdxoxmx on being the all-time down arrow champion.  I'm sure this was his only objective.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:25 | 2808197 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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clicking on a members name you can search their posting history. take a moment and read my history concerning out TOTUS. BHO

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:49 | 2808279 RiskAverseAlertBlog
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The president is trying to protect us from forces we do not understand? You mean like the same al Qaeda he allied with in Libya to bring chaos to that nation, whose effect has led to the recent murder of four Americans of the diplomatic corp, this on top of countless Libyans following their so-called "liberation" solely achieved with criminal complicity from NATO and the U.S. most emphatically? This, of course, is the very same al Qaeda his policy in Syria is transplanting from Libya to that new imperial target, the likes of which now finds the U.S. and al Qaeda in Iraq sharing a "regime change" vision of chaos in Syria, as well. Are you kidding me??? This president should be the first person charged under the auspices of the viciously unconstitutional NDAA he, himself, signed into law. He is in bed with al Qaeda and it's time you wake up or face the wrath of those who would sooner beat you senseless as a proxy for "the one" who otherwise is the spitting image of Hitler, disinformation campaigns and all, the likes of which apparently have captured your fantasy-consumed heart and unthinking mind.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 17:03 | 2808498 Overfed
Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:20 | 2807890 Antifaschistische
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All I ask is that Americans openly refuse to convict any man accused of resisting this fascist movement.   That resistance can take many forms.  If we'll stop listening to indoctrinated judges and their feeble instructions, the Americans can rise up confident that the jury will support them.  (next up, eliminating the abilty for attorney's to fine tune the jury for desired outcome -- by picking the weakest minded citizens)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:19 | 2808360 Anglo Hondo
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What judge?  What jury?  What attorney?


What is it about "arrest and detain without charge..under military law .." that you don't get?  You just get 'disappeared', and that's all folks.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:45 | 2808013 NewAmericaNow
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The thing is they will make legal what they want. Look at how the supreme court found that blacks were not human and thus not entitled to freedom. Never allow someone else to interpret your rights for you. We are prepared to deal with them if they come.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:50 | 2808035 NewAmericaNow
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The thing is they will make legal what they want. Look at how the supreme court found that blacks were not human and thus not entitled to freedom. Never allow someone else to interpret your rights for you. We are prepared to deal with them if they come.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:27 | 2808202 Grinder74
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Or how babies in the womb are not human and thus not entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:39 | 2808254 One World Mafia
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Then why are they pursing it if they can do it anyway? They don't abide by the Constitution because they pass unconstitutional laws right and left. It gets this bad before someone with the means challenges them. Part of the fault lies within the wording of the Constitution, specifically the easily misinterpreted words "General Welfare" that allowed the govt to balloon in size and power. That and the Federal Reserve.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:31 | 2807631 Race Car Driver
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Fuck you, Bernanke!


Elbows and knees!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:40 | 2807673 A Lunatic
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Fuck that. If they want fight club, I say bring it, bitchez................

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:06 | 2807807 Gully Foyle
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Here me now Big Bro, I only come here to bitch at people. I'm not part of their belief system.

O Superman - Laurie Anderson

O Superman. O judge. O Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad.
O Superman. O judge. O Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad.
Hi. I'm not home right now. But if you want to leave a
message, just start talking at the sound of the tone.
Hello? This is your Mother. Are you there? Are you
coming home?
Hello? Is anybody home? Well, you don't know me,
but I know you.
And I've got a message to give to you.
Here come the planes.
So you better get ready. Ready to go. You can come
as you are, but pay as you go. Pay as you go.

And I said: OK. Who is this really? And the voice said:
This is the hand, the hand that takes. This is the
hand, the hand that takes.
This is the hand, the hand that takes.
Here come the planes.
They're American planes. Made in America.
Smoking or non-smoking?
And the voice said: Neither snow nor rain nor gloom
of night shall stay these couriers from the swift
completion of their appointed rounds.

'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice.
And when justive is gone, there's always force.
And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom!

So hold me, Mom, in your long arms. So hold me,
Mom, in your long arms.
In your automatic arms. Your electronic arms.
In your arms.
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
Your petrochemical arms. Your military arms.
In your electronic arms.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:36 | 2808416 Chupacabra-322
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The US justice department is a criminal operation. The only thing it has to do with “justice” is the perversion and subversion of it.

This is the final straw. Never in the history of mankind has injustice topped this atrocity. When confirmed we know what to do. We knew this was coming. It’s all out war on tyranny and the “justices” are complicit. Premeditated murder will shortly follow this atrocity of justice and breach of the US Constitution. God help us all. Withhold your federal taxes it’s your Constitutional duty to oppose tyranny. The war has begun. All men capable of serving in the militias are put on high alert and are called to assemble. All good men will come to the aid of their country.

You gotta love those Fascist CRIMINAL Corporate/Banker courts. Just another Racket.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:59 | 2808493 Kobe Beef
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"All the forms of Law remain when all Justice is gone."

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 00:58 | 2809911 Freddie
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Hope & Chage - Sharia style with the Chicago mullah.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:26 | 2807611 10mm
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Mother Fuckin Cock Sucking Piece of Fuckin Dog Shit.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:48 | 2807718 UGrev
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Mother fucking ass-fisting, shit stain eating, pieces of anal taint dingle berries.. 

(please continue..)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:03 | 2808093 kill switch
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 I think you are both on to something.... But a little more severity is needed..

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:50 | 2807730 LongSoupLine
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Boy...BarryO sure is getting his money's worth outta that ol' Peace Prize ain't he?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:31 | 2807938 ZeroAvatar
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You guys gotta quit holdin' back. COMEON!  Tell us how you REALLY feel!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:25 | 2808192 Miss Expectations
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Here's hoping that Chris Hedges gets his money's worth outta his Pulitzer.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:31 | 2808219 Grinder74
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Is this a thread about Mohammed or the judge?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:33 | 2808230 Nikao7
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Dog is man's best friend.  How dare you refer to their shit in such a manner :)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 19:43 | 2808952 DosZap
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 It would appear the total fascist takeover of Amerika is drawing nearer by the day.


And also the led n' brass rebuttals...................

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:27 | 2807616 Van Halen
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Funny how all the things everyone complained about under Bush are far worse under Obama...


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:34 | 2807644 Temporalist
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Yea but if you were awesome enough to vote for Obomber there is no way you will contradtict your awesometudiness by admitting that.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:41 | 2807675 Surly Bear
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Vote Obama because, this term, it's different.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:43 | 2807693 Skateboarder
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The hope is more phony and the chains are stronger.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 23:30 | 2807749 DaveyJones
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no matter what team you pick, they will get progressively worse as the numbers do

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:35 | 2807648 Hype Alert
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It's different this time.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:58 | 2807764 Oh regional Indian
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Dope and Chains 2012...


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:35 | 2807968 Zymurguy
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Rope and Chains (fixed it for ya)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:44 | 2807682 TWSceptic
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The advantage with Bush was that his stupidity actually limited his ability to completely screw up the country. With Obama that limit is gone. Obama is intelligent, very ideological, wants to 'change' the principles of America etc. The scary part is that the things that make him dangerous are the same things that make him popular. That's a recipe for disaster

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:11 | 2807835 RobD
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Show me the proof that he is intelligence because I'm not seeing it. All I see is a puppet with a hand up his ass. Take the TOTUS away from him and he sounds dumber the Bush.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 17:49 | 2808628 Blankenstein
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Obama sans teleprompter:

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 19:39 | 2813319 TWSceptic
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He's certainly not a genius, however I do see above average intelligence. Although I do agree it's overrated by the media. Yes he is a puppet, but an ideological puppet, so he does have influence. Again, that makes him more dangerous.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:16 | 2807864 UP Forester
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TOTUS can't take a dump without asking permission first.

Word is, he hasn't even been taking his morning intelligence briefings.

But, if you think he'll go fuller retard in a second term, just think of the business-like efficiency his chosen opponent would take with the "laws" on the books.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 21:59 | 2809459 Clashfan
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I'm scared of I'llbombya's second term, but I'm even more scared of Rob-me. He has all of those neocon zionist hawks STILL THERE behind him like Wolfowitz.

If you think Rob-me will be any better, think again.

I wish we had NOTA. That would help a lot.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:46 | 2808017 silverserfer
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two words for you,

DICK Cheney

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 23:31 | 2809727 DaveyJones
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he was acting more than being

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:44 | 2807701 LMAOLORI
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Where's the Code PinkO's to protest this? Strange how we see so little of them these days now that it's their man doing it. Obama's alot more like Hitler then people think.

Hitler Jewish? DNA Tests Show Dictator May Have 'Had Jewish And African Roots'

Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:58 | 2807752 ChanceIs
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I think that the real measure of a successful facist state is when the troops will fire on their own citizenry.  I think that the average American soldier would first shoot the officer who ordered him/her to shoot an American civilian before he shot the civilian.  Now your average rent-a-cop working for Brinks, probably dropped out of high school and is looking forward to the day that he can discharge his weapon at a human.  (I had one wave a gun in my direction once.)  Some inner city police have certainly not distinguished themselves - see Abner Louima.  But the military???  Nah.

So I am not worried today about massive military abuse.  But I am still unsettled as hell.  We all know the story about the little girl who queried of her German grandmother how they could have let things get in such deploreable condition.  She said,  'Honey it didn't happen overnight.  We lost one right at a time.'  My Congresspuke voted against NDAA when it first came up.  I called his office to congratulate him, and then ask that  he work to restore our Habeas Corpus rights.  I guess he figured that the judiciary would set things right.  Wrong.

Sounds like I need to get on the horn post haste.

I noted that Russia Today broke this story.  Please, please tell me that the American press has come forward about it.  If not, then I would be petrified.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:14 | 2807853 Cathartes Aura
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did you perhaps miss this paragraph above?


But it passed anyway. And I suspect it passed because the corporations, seeing the unrest in the streets, knowing that things are about to get much worse, worrying that the Occupy movement will expand, do not trust the police to protect them. They want to be able to call in the Army. And now they can.


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 15:22 | 2808181 ChanceIs
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My point is that the traditional military won't cooperate with orders to kill the citizenry.  This may have been made legal, but I am hoping (praying) that the military will turn on the would-be facists.  I think that somewhere around 1917, the French in WWI started shooting their commanding officers when ordered to go play in the machine gun fire once too many times.  The formal military understands honor and service.  THe police used to.  Today I am not so sure.  When I see them in their patrol cars around here, they are wearing flak vests.  That wasn't going on when I was a kid.  Police were friendly and not to be feared.  And I don't think that they had so much to fear.

For sure the would-be Facists can start just as Hitler did by forming the "Brown Shirts."    All civilizations have had whack-job alienated indiviuals just looking for a place in society, even if it means being a "useful facist idiot."

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:11 | 2808339 Cathartes Aura
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I'm not sure how you would define "traditional military" - as in, something from the past?  do you believe the current military, all of whom are volunteers to the current government, would not act on orders?  that if some human is assigned the label "terrorist" the current military would not co-operate?  are you aware of the numerous military manoeuvres in amrkn neighbourhoods over the past couple of years?  or the reciprocal agreements between amrkn & canadian troops in the case of "civil emergency"?

I agree with you about the militarisation of the police forces over time, and it's not just here in the Homeland.  almost like they're preparing for something, isn't it. . .

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 22:05 | 2809478 Clashfan
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The military are being asked whether or not they will fire on US citizens or follow such orders. The folks in charge know ahead of time, pretty much, which ones will or won't. The ones who won't either won't be deployed to such situations or will be outnumbered. Count on that.

And they get their fair share of brainwashing or more. The military has always been satanic, period, at the top. Ever see what their medals and patches look like? Do you know what the CMH looks like?

Before the draft, there were people in there with morals. Some are left, sure, but the bulk of these folks are low-grade idiots who have been transformed into killing machines or creatures from "proud" military families.

If you're counting on the military to do something good for the US citizens (besides massacring totally innocent people overseas and torturing them in hidden enclaves all over the globe), then good f_ing luck. Watch and see.

Wave them flagz 'n' wag them bagz.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 01:04 | 2809913 Freddie
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The troops who will not shoot Americans are on chicknshit war missions in Iraq and Afghanistan or the Balkans or S Korea or Germany or Japan.  They are out of the country for that very reason.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:33 | 2808408 Temporalist
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They won't have to shoot citizens at first they will just try to disarm them.  Check Katrina and NO for recent examples.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:31 | 2807939 centerline
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Google it.  There is not much in the MSM at all.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:27 | 2807617 ParkAveFlasher
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You know those backwoods guys on that cable show where they end every episode firing a home made .50 cal Browning off the back of a truck? 


Tue, 09/18/2012 - 22:14 | 2809511 Clashfan
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It's useless. I have fought about this w/libtard FB friends for a few years and finally given up. They want gun control. They say our country is different than those others. They refuse to believe that 911 was an inside job. They refuse to believe that there's anything wrong with the TSA child molesters.

They are permanently F__d, and so are we.

Hardly anyone will stand up, and those that do will be painted as lunatics, and the libtards will believe. Of course, if Bushmonkey had done this, they would have been livid. But the genius of the elite was getting I'llbombya to do it. Bunch of flag-waving libtard fascists out there now. And they will cheer hard for their side and ignore anything that comes down the pike as long as I'llbombya is in office. And since the worst legislastion has already been passed, they will have no ground to stand on to protest it if Rob-me gets in there and does it.

Uruguay is looking better day by day. I may choose to bug out and teach English there for a while. They recently legalized the good weed:

If you've got a better bug-out place to suggest, fire away, but I'm not sure what the point of staying is. This is going to get fugly fast.

And don't give me any rah-rah shit about fighting your losing battles. If more people were aware, I might buy it, but I've been in touch w/a lot of the "mainstream" middle class and upper middle class people for a long time, and the great bulk of them are butt ignorant, afraid, or apathetic (or all three). And those are the majority that constitute our "society."

Almost all of the people I teach with (almost all) are amazingly partisan and consider me kooky for being a "conspiracy theorist." And these f__ers teach college.

Further, thanks to the fact that we have NO privacy anymore, TPTB know exactly which folks are prone to speak out and which ones are prone to STFU, so they can plan accordingly, to single out potential problems.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:27 | 2807618 Manipulism
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Lets see if America got his Nelson Mandela.

He didnt fear this.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:06 | 2807808 Chump
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Think so?  I think he feared it very much, and faced it anyway.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:28 | 2807619 blunderdog
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"I can't save you, no one can save you, this ALREADY HAPPENED!"  --James Cole

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:40 | 2807669 BKbroiler
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awesome.  only an idiot would junk you for a 12 monkeys quote.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:47 | 2807712 blunderdog
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I have a few real die-hard followers.  I can be junked for *anything.* 

"I dunno nothin' 'bout nothin', but if that blunderdog said it, it's crap!"

Nice to know I'm making an impression, anyway.  :)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 14:19 | 2807878 BKbroiler
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"Look at them. They're just asking for it. Maybe the human race deserves to be wiped out. "

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