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US Totalitarianism Loses Major Battle As Judge Permanently Blocks NDAA's Military Detention Provision

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Back in January, Pulitzer winning journalist Chris Hedges sued President Obama and the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act, specifically challenging the legality of the Authorization for Use of Military Force or, the provision that authorizes military detention for people deemed to have "substantially supported" al Qaeda, the Taliban or "associated forces." Hedges called the president's action allowing indefinite detention, which was signed into law with little opposition from either party "unforgivable, unconstitutional and exceedingly dangerous." He attacked point blank the civil rights farce that is the neverending "war on terror" conducted by both parties, targetting whom exactly is unclear, but certainly attaining ever more intense retaliation from foreigners such as the furious attacks against the US consulates in Egypt and Libya. He asked  "why do U.S. citizens now need to be specifically singled out for military detention and denial of due process when under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force the president can apparently find the legal cover to serve as judge, jury and executioner to assassinate U.S. citizens." A few months later, in May, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest ruled in favor of a temporary injunction blocking the enforcement of the authorization for military detention. Today, the war againt the true totalitarian terror won a decisive battle, when in a 112-opinion, Judge Forrest turned the temporary injunction, following an appeal by the totalitarian government from August 6, into a permanent one.

From Reuters:

The permanent injunction prevents the U.S. government from enforcing a portion of Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act's "Homeland Battlefield" provisions.


The opinion stems from a January lawsuit filed by former New York Times war correspondent and Pulitzer Prize winner Chris Hedges and others. The plaintiffs said they had no assurance that their writing and advocacy activities would not fall under the scope of the provision.


Government attorneys argued that the executive branch is entitled to latitude when it comes to cases of national security and that the law is neither too broad nor overly vague.


"This court does not disagree with the principle that the president has primacy in foreign affairs," the judge said, but that she was not convinced by government arguments.


"The government has not stated that such conduct - which, by analogy, covers any writing, journalistic and associational activities that involve al Qaeda, the Taliban or whomever is deemed "associated forces" - does not fall within § 1021(b)(2)."

What is ironic, is that in the ongoing absolute farce that is the theatrical presidential debate, there hasn't been one word uttered discussing precisely the kind of creeping totalitarian control, and Orwellian loss of constitutional rights, that the biparty-supported NDAA would have demanded out of the US republic. Why? Chris Hedges said it best:

The oddest part of this legislation is that the FBI, the CIA, the director of national intelligence, the Pentagon and the attorney general didn’t support it. FBI Director Robert Mueller said he feared the bill would actually impede the bureau’s ability to investigate terrorism because it would be harder to win cooperation from suspects held by the military. “The possibility looms that we will lose opportunities to obtain cooperation from the persons in the past that we’ve been fairly successful in gaining,” he told Congress.


But it passed anyway. And I suspect it passed because the corporations, seeing the unrest in the streets, knowing that things are about to get much worse, worrying that the Occupy movement will expand, do not trust the police to protect them. They want to be able to call in the Army. And now they can.

He is 100% correct, and today, if it weren't for his lawsuit, the saying that someone, somewhere in the world might possibly "hate America for its liberties" would have been the biggest lie conceivable.

Also, the total fascist takeover of America would now have been a fact.

Some other insights from Hedges, who explained back in January, just why he is suing Barack Obama:

This demented “war on terror” is as undefined and vague as such a conflict is in any totalitarian state. Dissent is increasingly equated in this country with treason. Enemies supposedly lurk in every organization that does not chant the patriotic mantras provided to it by the state. And this bill feeds a mounting state paranoia. It expands our permanent war to every spot on the globe. It erases fundamental constitutional liberties. It means we can no longer use the word “democracy” to describe our political system.


The supine and gutless Democratic Party, which would have feigned outrage if George W. Bush had put this into law, appears willing, once again, to grant Obama a pass. But I won’t. What he has done is unforgivable, unconstitutional and exceedingly dangerous. The threat and reach of al-Qaida—which I spent a year covering for The New York Times in Europe and the Middle East—are marginal, despite the attacks of 9/11. The terrorist group poses no existential threat to the nation. It has been so disrupted and broken that it can barely function. Osama bin Laden was gunned down by commandos and his body dumped into the sea. Even the Pentagon says the organization is crippled. So why, a decade after the start of the so-called war on terror, do these draconian measures need to be implemented? Why do U.S. citizens now need to be specifically singled out for military detention and denial of due process when under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force the president can apparently find the legal cover to serve as judge, jury and executioner to assassinate U.S. citizens, as he did in the killing of the cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen? Why is this bill necessary when the government routinely ignores our Fifth Amendment rights—“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law”—as well as our First Amendment right of free speech? How much more power do they need to fight “terrorism”?


Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission.

Today's full ruling presented below in its entirety:


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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:45 | 2788124 Silver Bug
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Score one for the good guys.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:54 | 2788139 Dalago
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If you're a veteran, active duty soldier or know someone that would be interested take a look at this link.  Its a link to Oath Keepers.  You may have heard of it.  The military and veteran's are the last line of defense of the Republic so it is best to be properly informed.  A leader is not a leader if his followers know the Oath they took and the Oath they keep.  "Not on our watch."


Watch here:

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:58 | 2788165 otto skorzeny
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those guys are a joke. kind of like the fat 'Nam burnout  HD bikers that escort soldiers to their homes when they return from duty

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:23 | 2788242 Clashfan
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Otto, are you sure your name isn't Michelle Obama? 'Cos you sure got a lotta junk in yer trunk!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:09 | 2788317 UGrev
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I joined OK a while back and they banned me for talking politics. They asked me to stop and when I refused, they banned me. So much for freedom of speech eh? I refused because I wanted to prove a point; that NO ONE in control has the balls to allow freedom of expression.I made my point and they can now, officially, suck my schlong. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:19 | 2788333 Dalago
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Yea it seems like you need to prove things.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:32 | 2788338 UGrev
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Question it all, baby.. question it all.  Address your cognitive dissonance and ask why they would ban free speech when they purport to keep and hold an oath?  yeah.. thought so. Control fuckers.. 

I would like to clarify that my anger is pointed at the leadership of OK, not the many members who have been fooled by them. However, that being said.. you've been fooled. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:27 | 2788393 James
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UGRev is spot on!

Riddle me this.

Do you want your freedom or do you want to join a club?

That place reeks of the same approach of what happened to

the tea partiers which in this case is loyal to the country service members being hoodwinked/distracted and NOT A DAMN THING accopmplished.

Look service members, You are our strongest. You are our bravest.

You are being decieved. JMO

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:32 | 2788400 Western
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The fact that Noam Chomsky's name is in there is troubling.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 06:02 | 2788563 Comay Mierda
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This is great news!

Now watch for the onslaught of FALSE FLAGS

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 11:51 | 2789833 James
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Truth hurts bitchez

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 06:17 | 2788574 Watauga
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Do you get that freedom of speech has to do with the Congress?  "Congress shall make no law. . ."  A private organization may do so.  Such is not a violation of the Constitutional protection of free speech.  If you don't like the organization, find another one or go lone wolf.  That is your freedom.  It has to do with the marketplace of ideas.  If Oath Keepers drive enough people away, it loses.  In the meantime, stop crying like a little baby.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:52 | 2788760 UGrev
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Believe me, I get what you're saying. However, that being said.. don't start a group that is "All about the constitution" if you can't have an organization that is willing to abide by what they believe in. In other words, practice what you preach. It's that simple. 

This is not whining or crying. This is simply pointing out deception. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:47 | 2788904 Dalago
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Eh... I guess.  But these guys don't talk politics.  What were you saying?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:54 | 2788928 UGrev
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I'll say it another way. 

These guys are trying to be defenders of freedom, defenders of the constitution, yet they cannot even creat a microcosm of what they are trying to defend. Doesn't that seem squarely fucked up to you at all? answer your question: 

I was discussing the political topics that were in the forefront. Things like the economy, bad policy, the patriot act.. politics, man. I posted them in a blog format. Half the time, I just posted a link with a one liner and let people comment. I replied to people in the forum.. standard interaction. Trust me, I was not alone in this either. Others were warned as well and some people I knew, left OK because of it. They are vets and they called BS on the group. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:30 | 2791106 Redleg
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Wow, it sounds like they went even further down hill and became what they are supposedly standing in opposition to after I got booted. There were quite a few control freaks among the moderators. Some of them were absolutely no different whatsoever than the control freaks we have running the government right now. I saw this coming yeras ago as they started allowing these types of people into positions of power.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:51 | 2788921 robobbob
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I understand your point, but you have to remember what a fine line OK is trying to walk. Remember what happened to the active duty RP supporter? The marine with the face book page? And the OTHER marine Brandon Raub being illegally throw into a psych ward and threatened with a chemical lobotomy?

The regime is taking any criticism as a serious threat to their existence. Probably a significant number of OK membership are informants, and anything said can and WILL be used against you at some point. And by the amount of attention the OK gets from the DHS and SPLC, they must be doing something right.

While it may be frustrating, the group has to be kept politically neutral. Not only because unity is needed to defeat the manufactured partisanship that is being used to divide and conquer, if they didn't discourage certain talk, just think about the damage a provocatuer could do in their midst. If the establishment can get them catagorized as a political movement, they will grind them to pieces. Once they get them on a gov watchlist, they could easily ban any active duty members from joining. According to the DHS, just having a third party bumpersticker is considered a suspicious and threatening activity. All they would need is a viral vid of a single OK member making a controversial statement and it would be over.

It may sound hypocritical or ironic, but the sacrifice required to defend the constitution is to voluntarily forgo practicing themselves, so that others can practice freely. The US will only remain a republic so long as there are enough of those willing to make those sacrifices. If that is not a sacrifice you can make, then hopefully there are other areas you are more suited to where you can continue the fight.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 09:00 | 2788949 UGrev
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If you think they are not on a .gov watch list with a name like "Oath Keepers" which is heavily about defending the Constitution.. I think you're fooling yourself. If you don't think there are loose canon's in there already.. you're fooling yourself. 

Maintaining neutrality is fine. I'm not arguing that. My gripe is that they can't even balls up and allow the freedoms they defend in their own group. That is not ironic. That's chicken shit. They are not the military and no one signed a contract waiving their rights. For once, I just want a group to do the things they say. Unti then, they are just another list for .gov and a distraction for fools. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:24 | 2791057 Redleg
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You are exactly correct.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 09:18 | 2789021 tip e. canoe
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sounds like they were painted into a corner of a cage of self-censorship.   if so, this seems to be precisely the objective.  they should learn from the Chinese then, as the people there have much experience with this kind of stuff.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:20 | 2790067 Clashfan
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Ty Robobob. Not taking sides here, but I wanted to make that point earlier, decided to wait to see if anyone else would.

Political neutrality for a group like that is very important, and if they don't reign in the blabbering, they are prey for sterotypes, prejudice (in the root sense of the word), disunity, and failure.

Again, not taking sides, just seeing that there might be reasons for their concerns.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:04 | 2788617 Bogdog
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I make it a point never to join a group that would have me as a member.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:15 | 2788814 Grinder74
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This is why our country is going down: because dumbasses lke you think free speech means saying anything you want at anytime and in any setting. If a PRIVATE group like O.K. wants to limit certain activities, they absolutely can, especially since you CHOSE to join them.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 09:01 | 2788955 UGrev
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You don't get it. I'm not against private organizations creating their own rules. I didn't like the rules, so I questioned them. But for fucks sake, don't start a group and not allow what you're trying to defend. It would be like the NRA not allowing guns at a shooting event. WTF?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:22 | 2791041 Redleg
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Great analogy UGrev! You said in two sentences what it took me multiple paragraphs below to convey.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:18 | 2791022 Redleg
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UGrev is right. I was a very early member, a site moderator, and a state regional director. I was booted (as were quite a few other patriots with whom I correspond with) for challenging the cognitive dissonance of its LEO members and also for exploring the foundational and constitutional basis of the militia in accordance with the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Strike one for me was discussing the militia even though my discussions were done from a purely historical and philosophical perspective. I had never even been a member of any militia but I felt that discussion of the concept had merit as just one of the many checks on government built into the framework of the Constitution. Unfortunately they didn't want any mention of the dreaded “M” word whatsoever and multiple threads and comments were completely deleted for that reason. Although those threads and comments were based on the founder’s personal writings and quotes on the subject and they explored the founder's intent on the matter they were unwelcome. It was my first realization that all was not well over there. I found it rather ironic that discussing a concept codified in the Constitution caused the leadership of an organization professing to support that very document to get highly agitated and start censoring comments and to delete entire threads. One of the conclusions that can be drawn from this is that they pick and choose which parts they support and the currently unpopular [to government] aspects get ignored. I was later told that they feared that the discussion of the evil "M" word would alienate LEOs and prevent them from joining the organization or cause existing members to leave. This admission basically confirmed what I felt about them only supporting the popular parts.

The next strike was to ask difficult and uncomfortable questions of LEOs. One LEO in particular started a post called "Damn 5-0" where he asked people to discuss what bothered them about the police so that he could address their concerns. Many people obliged him and he (as well as the Oath Keepers leadership) didn’t like the questions which were asked, questions like “it’s great that you won’t enforce the 10 orders that Oath Keepers won’t obey but what about all of the other unconstitutional orders you enforce every single day on the job [they were all listed and discussed]? Why are you being selective? If you won’t enforce some unconstitutional orders why not stop enforcing all of them? Why not use your discretion and only go after violent offenders who harm other people and ignore the victimless crimes?” The response after myriad comments back and forth was basically, “if you don’t like the laws then change them, I’m only doing my job. Don’t be mad at me for doing my job, be mad at your legislators.” And “if I don’t do my job [enforcing unconstitutional laws] then I’ll lose it as well as my pension and won’t be able to take care of my family.” The bottom line ended up being that their personal well being is far more important than honor, integrity, and supporting the constitution. They will do whatever they are told to keep their paychecks and pensions. There is no such thing as discretion for cops anymore (according to them). It became apparent after much discussion that they are no longer “Peace Officers” now but Law ENFORCEMENT Officers (you will submit, obey, and comply!). All threads and comments regarding this topic were also deleted by OK leadership. Heaven forbid we challenge cops to confront and examine their beliefs!

The last straw was going back on their word to appear at a 2A rally where they were going to be keynote speakers. I was critical of them for breaking their word to attend at the last minute due to political correctness and pressure from their LEO run Board of Directors who felt it was not a good idea. Apparently a man’s word means nothing.

After pointing out all of the blatant cognitive dissonance they just deleted me. No letter, no notification, nothing. After I had opened up my home to the entire state leadership they didn’t even have the courage to tell me I was no longer welcome or to confront my accuser. I tried to log in one day and got the “you are not authorized” message. I guess pointing out the truth and their cognitive dissonance was too much for them to handle. The concept of Oath Keepers is a great one and most of the membership means well but the leadership, which is controlled by a bunch of LEOs, is just another incarnation of the current system that has caused all of our problems. Stewart’s organization has been subverted from the inside by a bunch of cops. I was told in no uncertain terms in the moderator forum that “they [OKers] would rather lose 100 veterans than lose even one single police officer!” That is pretty much the mentality which infects the organization and it starts at the top with their board of directors.

Perhaps some of you may have faith in the organization but I now know better. The cognitive dissonance over there is mind boggling!


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:50 | 2788415 steelrules
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Otto your a f#@king GOOF!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:58 | 2791342 Coast Watcher
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But he did manage to divert attention from the original post for quite a while, didn't he?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:17 | 2788166 Michael
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And with this event that happened today in America, lots of people should show up with all their guns at the MO police barracks and demand justice for this, or else.

Central Missouri Copblocker Jeffrey Weinhaus Shot by MO St. Patrol Employee(s), Airlifted


Let's not forget what set off the Muslim countries revolutions.

Reason #1; Police and Government Tyranny and Torture.

Reason #2; US Federal Reserve Corporation exporting food inflation with their monetary policy all over the planet.


Suicide that Sparked a Revolution


Justice for Khaled Said, End torture in Egypt

We are all Khaled Said Murder at 2:22

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:24 | 2788335 xavi1951
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Nimrod!  What set off the muslim revolution????  ISLAM you idiot!  Haven't you read a single book about Islam?  FH's like you think you iknow what you are talking about but you haven't read anything except what is on the internet.  I have studied Islam for 10 years, reading every book I could find, and I have quite a library.  It is HELL bent on destroying the infidels (sestern civilization/Jews/Hindus/Budists/etc)  If you are tollerant of others, you are a target, because Islam is NOT tollerant of others.  Oh yes, they do have option of of the tax on the non believers, but to go to heaven, it is better to cut the throats of the non believers, "when ever you can".


I know you are a regular.  But you really are an ignorant regular!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:52 | 2788340 Michael
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Shut the fuck up you fucking moron! Go sell your mind delusions some place else, we're all stocked up here.

My Father taught me;

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will Never hurt me.

It's really that simple folks.


In Arabic, al-Qaeda has four syllables. However, the closest naturalized English pronunciations include /æl-ka-d/, /æl-ke-d/ Al-Qaeda's name can also be transliterated as al-Qaida, al-Qa'ida, el-Qaida, or al-Qaeda.

The name comes from the Arabic noun q'idah, which means foundation or basis, and can also refer to a military base. The initial al- is the Arabic definite article the, hence the base.

Bin Laden explained the origin of the term in a videotaped interview with Al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Alouni in October 2001:

The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:56 | 2788366 redpill
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Michael, you're wrong, and a completely disallusioned fuckface.  But I like your spirit.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:02 | 2788371 vast-dom
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fuckface is putting it politely. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:17 | 2788378 Michael
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I don't know,

We have 5,000+ nukes that says otherwise, and all the other toys too.

Good luck with your Caliphate.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 03:27 | 2788492 Dr. Sandi
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You really love hijacking threads of substance, don't you.

Which branch of the fucking corporate government do you work for anyway, or are you just a volunteer troll?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:17 | 2788382 putaipan
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and it kinda sounds like toilet in arabic so........

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:21 | 2788385 palmereldritch
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Weren't they CIA bases?...

Hence the term el-CIA-duh!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:42 | 2788392 Michael
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Yes, they spread the confusion, but really, it's just, "The Base". English, please?

All Your Base Are Belong To Us

Sometimes I wish I were Arab so every time I heard the words "Al Qaeda" I could;

But then again, I still do.


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:55 | 2788422 palmereldritch
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Spreading confusion is all part of the game isn’t it?

As heirs to and essentially being re-animated by the ex-Nazi Gestapo, the CIA continued the tradition of being the secret police for the Globalist Bankster patrons that gave rise to Hitler but survived...we’ll call them the Glazis...and of course they can’t go anywhere these days without the support of their paramilitary brown shirt shock troops... really the the ground and base of such an organization...let’s call them el Qaeda...

The National Security Act of 1947 was an act of security for what nation? Or to secure which nation?

Know your base.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:13 | 2788444 Michael
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So we've pretty much been taken over by a military strategy since then?

The National Security Act of 1947

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:28 | 2788452 palmereldritch
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There is, according to an understanding of The National Security Act, a Secret Government.

By the facts, that part is admitted.  Makes you wonder, What are the parts not freely admitted?...

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:35 | 2788456 Michael
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I think we've figured out the most secret of secret societies secrets together on this one.

Good job.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:00 | 2788427 Michael
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I have never seen a real live Member of "The Base" on Live Television, and Alive, Interviewed on TV Ever, since the beginning of 9/11.

Why do you think that Is?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 03:28 | 2788493 Dr. Sandi
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I haven't seen you there either. Why do you think THAT is?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:05 | 2788430 Problem Is
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al-Qaeda: aka al-CIA-Qaeda

The CIA data base of paid patsies, dupes and mercenaries on the CIA payroll since the anti Soviet actions in CIA supported Poppy-land...

I mean Afghanistan since the 1970s...

See: "al-Qaeda is Now Our Friend", Libya, Syria, 2012...

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:48 | 2788463 NoClueSneaker
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Yeah, but the neat feat was the fact that CIA established acomplete new industry, starting 1978. Illegal financing of the thugs around the world needed the money and new networks. Fanatics became the cash-cows, and the heroin trail trough the Europe the new network. Switzerland loundered the money, CIA financed butchering in El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua etc. - and lookie, Juntas even made an POTUS, her majesty Mittina Romney. ROI in no time. We do live in an perfect world.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:00 | 2788588 Watauga
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Michael:  WTFO?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:29 | 2788390 Overfed
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Yeah. They hate us for our freedoms. Right.

Look, we don't need a DHS or a TSA. The war on terror is bullshit. WE set the ball rolling long ago by meddling in the affairs of ME countries for corporate gain in the name of national security. WE keep acting like WE can intimidate and browbeat them to our will. The US needs to close the great majority of it's military bases and worry about our own problems.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 04:21 | 2788518 JOYFUL
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So yu've 'read some books' on Islam, an yu have assembled 'quite a library'!<!>>!??

Yu are the klassic modern moron in detail...who eschews the needless effort of empirical study for the komfort of their mental E|ZY CHAIR, a form of hat rack where knowledge n wisdom go to die.

Yu know enuff about Islam to konfirm all of yur prejudices, but nothing at all about the peeple who practice it, or the kind of life that they lead or the wishes that they might have...why bother me with the details?

And yu dare to pontificate in public about what these peeple really are all about.

Today celebrates the third anniversary of my departure from the fallen lands, Three years of livin as a minority group Europoid Xristian amongst the followers of Muhammed...have I ever in that time been threatened or discriminated against by peeple intolerant of my differences from them in that time? No. Have I ever felt it necessary or prudent to hide from any one my minority status in that time? No. Have I felt anything other than acceptance of my distinction from the cultural milieu in which I have placed myself in that time. No.

Do I look back on my decision to leave behind everything familiar to me to place myself in the midst of those said to wish me only ill, and who according to great pundits like yurself are hell bent on destroying me? No. But don't let anyone's actual experience interfere with yur fantasy projektions of personal intolerance onto others, yur malevolent slandering of everybody who yu've never met outside the pages of yur lurid library of literary blood-lust.

It is the hatred and intolerance of the sionist parasitical hegemonists who yu front for which is the klear n present danger to all peace luvin folk in this world today. Having now to witness the sorry spectacle of my former kountry kotowing to yur\their masters by actually removing their embassy  personnel from Iran is the final proof of the wisdom of my decision to remove my person from the sionist puppet state of Kanada in order to find somewhere I could live amongst peeple with mutual respect and appreciation for our diversity.


Yu are low life scum...lacking even the wit to present yur kase in a grammatically acceptable fashion. Those books yu have enchained yur enflamed and wretched mind to will be the anchors which will weigh yu down to the very fiery depths yu have fantasized. Bon Voyage!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:38 | 2788874 pazmaker
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Good thing your not a coptic christian living in egypt:


You can't call coptic christians fact coptic christians believe the true israel to be the christian church not the political state of Israel.

So all though you may live amoungst peaceful people that is not tru the world over where christians are descriminated against and persecuted by muslims.

Try growing up in a muslim family being third or 4th generation and convert to being christian in Saudi Arabia and see what happens.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 09:20 | 2789031 JOYFUL
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I don't want to overtax what appears to be a rather delicate state of mental balance Chumly, but if yu were to read something along the lines of Durrell's Alexandria Quartet to balance yur ethusiasm for Ickean comment threads  about Coptic Christians and Sionists in the Egyptian context, I'd be a little more willing to credit the sincerity of yur apparent koncern for Christians...

but I doubt that any in depth historical context would serve yur purpose here, which appears to be to kater to that section of the readership who are happy to believe that "Muslim gunmen," Islamic extremists" or guys like "Tim Osman" who dress up to look the part in SIO-NAZI\CIA|MI5 productions are anything other than bad actors in B movies, which like the one kurrently under discussion here, always involve inciting fear and hatred amongst what would be otherwise peace-luving populations.

Yur David Icke incendiary propaganda is as kredible as a his Reptilian schtick.

Try harder?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:37 | 2789516 pazmaker
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It's always easier to attack the poster then what they have posted isn't it?  I will look into the Alexandria Quartet.  I have direct contact with with eastern christians in Lebanon and Egypt and I know of what I speak.  here is another one for you:


Christians in Lebanon:

I have no agenda but it appears by your attacks that you obviously do.   Seek the truth my friend.  I am not an evangelical christian that worships israel.  I am an eastern christian and I believe the true israel to be the church not the political state of israel. I will even say some of the plight of eastern christians has come at the hand of reformist protestantism, but you are gravely wrong if you think muslims are lovers of christians..and christianty

Your obvious bias shows Joyful and you don't appear to be too joyful.  Take off the blinders and seek the truth.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:28 | 2790638 Clashfan
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Well here's support from a non-denom Protestant (who distrusts most large churches, even GO/EO).

If Israel were the nation of biblical prophecy, would they put a hexagram on their flag? Many Christians question whether this Israel is the Israel referred to in scripture. You are not alone.

It amazes me how so many people on this site can see through the D/R false dichotomy but cannot see through the zionist/islam false dichotomy, thinking or at least acting like they have to choose one side or the other.

Man, one place I would not want to be is in a stinking Muslim nation, period. Some folks on here get caught up with legitimate gripes against Izrahole and forget that the Muzzies are not exactly champions of decency, free thought, free speech, etc--I could go on. They have some good qualities, and I've found some of the more liberal ones to be great people, honestly. But the folks who loathe Israel are often the ones who like to pretend that Islam presents no threat. And they are, unfortunately, wrong.

This doesn't mean I think we should bomb Iran--I don't. It just means that, well, I don't want to see Sharia law in the US. And the history of Muslim atrocities is quite long and thick, too. They, too, like Christians and Jews, have their own occult/mystic sides.

With that said, the Muslim religion is closer to Christianity than any of the other major religions. Ask a Muslim what he thinks of Jesus. Then ask a Jew.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:48 | 2791256 blunderdog
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The "current" Israel cannot possibly be "the Israel referred to in scripture." 

The Israel referred to in scripture is going to be given to the Jews by God himself after the messiah arrives.

I mean...I don't buy into any of the hocus-pocus bullshit at all myself, but if you want to pretend to take it seriously, it's not even a real QUESTION. 

It's like asking, "is Missouri the Garden of Eden referred to in the Old Testament?"

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:41 | 2789536 pazmaker
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Durrell's Alexandria Quartet   These are novels?   You want to qoute novels???

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:11 | 2789996 JOYFUL
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that's exactly right...

some of them contain more truth and accuracy than what currently passes for 'non fiction'...

but, hey...stay anchored if yu like to the convenient fictions of Muslim-bashing...personal attacks? Yu thing attacking a whole culture based on gross misinterpretation of their religion by some paid-for lackeys of the moneychangers is kool?  Okey dokey!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:31 | 2790671 Clashfan
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You're grossly misrepresenting what he said. Will the person who really has an agenda here please stand up?

Try being a Christian in an Arab country--or a woman.

Just because one side has plenty of problems doesn't mean that the other one doesn't have plenty of problems, too. Just because someone points out the problems of one side doesn't mean he's praising the other or condoning anything at all about the other side.

If I post about how I don't believe the official story of I'llbombya's birth, for example, does that mean I'm a fan of the Bushmonkey? Hardly.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:48 | 2790296 Clashfan
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Curious thing about Icke is that despite his reptilian beliefs, he presents a ton of good, credible info.

Think about Jim Marrs. Ever read any of his stuff? A terrific journalist and writer. Of course, he also has a book called Alien Agenda.

Personally, I DO NOT believe Marrs or Icke regarding the non-human entities or whatever we call them, but there is a lot of ancient lore to support their positions, and I do not know for a fact that they are wrong. Do you?

Attacking all info coming from Icke is a mistake, imo.

And the Muslims can be horrible--as horrible as folks of any religious or non-religious set of beliefs--perhaps, arguably, worse.

Yet people of divergent faiths can live together peacefully, too. Ask the Jews in Iran about it.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:24 | 2790080 General Decline
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I have met quite a few Muslims this past year in places like Egypt, Algeria & Mauritania. All that I have met have been wonderful, respectful people. I never once felt like my safety was in danger while I was there. You need to turn off Fox news, dude.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:42 | 2790741 Clashfan
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Cool. There are wonderful, respectful people everywhere.

But there is also this:

or this:

Muzzies are just as hardcore as the Khazars. Implying that we have to pick one or the other is like that childhood game--would you rather ___ or ___?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:47 | 2790773 Clashfan
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I mean, this is like, I don't know--becoming a new version of the freaking "anti-semite" argument. It sucks ass, too.

If I say that I have a lot of problems with Zionism, the Jewish mafia/banking syndicate, or Israeli foreign policy--say Mossad is a danger to the US (which it is), then I'm labeled an anti-semite. That's hogwash.

But if I say that Muslims are often fanatical, have centuries of history of being ruthless, bloody bigots, delight in taking Christian churches and turning them into mosques, target such folks as writers (Rushdie) and cartoonists--I could go way on and on--then I'm a zionist supporter of Izrahole or watch FOX news? WTF? Have you people lost your damned minds?

Beware, I warn you, of the occultist dialectic--the false dichotomy--THE EITHER OR FALLACY, as it is sometimes called.

It's popping up all over this thread.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:22 | 2788240 SgtSchultz
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This is what I fear may be coming down the road for Oathkeeper members - I hope I am wrong:

Man Investigated By Police For Buying Ammunition

.........The reason Loftus was harassed by police was almost certainly related to his membership of the Oath Keepers organization, a group that simply advocates people who swear an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution should not violate it.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:28 | 2788251 Clashfan
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Ty for that, SS. That bit about the baby snatching is disturbing.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:10 | 2788318 Colonel Klink
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SCHULTZ!!!!  Shouldn't you be guarding the prisoners?!?!

Oath keepers for ever!!  Better than our treasonous so called leaders.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:37 | 2788402 lolmao500
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Even better. Watch/spread the speech of the founder, Stewart Rhodes at Paul Festival 2012... he really lays it all out.

He got guts and tells it like it is.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:10 | 2788442 OldPhart
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You are 100% wrong.

We aren't the last line of defense.


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:16 | 2788653 Raymond K Hessel
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Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:04 | 2788793 Tristan Ludlow
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The problem is no one really knows how many official members of OK are on this site and the many more who are just guests.  You don't get banned for talking politics as some would like you to think.  You get banned for not keeping the discourse civil or for advocating a position that is not in keeping with the tenants of OK.  If you don't want to play by the rules, then find someplace else to go. 


It is my belief that the work that is being done by OK is directly related to the awakening of the police/military to the dangers of a totalitarian state.  The more they can wake up the better for our side. For when the SHTF, I am counting on our men and women in the armed forces to do the right thing. 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:06 | 2791394 Redleg
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Your comment is incorrect:

"You don't get banned for talking politics as some would like you to think.  You get banned for not keeping the discourse civil or for advocating a position that is not in keeping with the tenants of OK."

I know many people who got banned for being civil. They just hapened to ask difficult questions of cops which would require those cops to acknowledge that they were indeed enforcing unconstitutional laws EVERY SINGLE DAY if they were honest with themselves and OKers has an unwritten policy not to challenge cops on anything for fear of driving them out of the org.

If you ask difficult questions of the wrong people you get booted.


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:05 | 2789315 Drachma
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When has freedom been about joining an official organization. Just join in your community of like-minded people. Drop the titles, insignias, leaders, etc.... Think 'decentralized' and stop putting a target on your back for the government to aim at. Juyst saying.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:42 | 2789543 Cole Younger
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What a joke...The police..all police violate the constitution every day..They deceive the public so they can impose  authority and control over them..the cops are the Gestapo of the politicians and will be the citizens number 1 enemy should the shit the fan..

The military and the cops have no clue..they stopped teaching the constitution in school decades ago..they stopped teaching ethics and sound judgment..Cops look at most people as criminals and they are constantly abusing there police powers..The courts have allowed this to occur..The government should not be trusted at the war on terror is just a farce to gain complete totalitarian control over the citizens..Do you honestly think that the government is going to listen to this judges injunction? not in our life time...They will appeal this injunction and some panel of judges that is bought and paid for by politicians will over rule her decision..

The court system is as corrupt as the cops and the many politicians across this country. It is a system that is promotional based on convictions and many of the judges were promoted to their positions based on convictions and hard punishment they acquired when they were acting as DA's...A oath of office means nothing to the government..these people take the oath just to get the is just a facade..

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:53 | 2788144 Harlequin001
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Let's settle this the European way...

re vote next month...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:14 | 2788195 vast-dom
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Chris Hedges you truly are the man! Thank you for being a true patriot, unlike these sociopathic government vampires. And let's not forget the judge. 

Scary dangerous times we live in. A vague amorphous imaginary threat that is by design potentially against any and everyone saw not only the light of day but was almost passed if it were not for one man. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:14 | 2788221 JLee2027
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A rare brave Judge (and Mr. Hedges). God bless them both.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:57 | 2788297 Element
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Yes JL, we suddenly have the Head of the Joint Chiefs saying hell-no to supporting an attack on Iran, and now a Judge saying hell-no to NDAA.  It seems there are people in such positions that have finally had it with the insane 'policy' and edict excesses.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:54 | 2788361 redpill
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I hope they don't like helicopters or hot tubs.  Like they wouldn't drop polonium in your tea at the drop of the hat?  This is the world we live in.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 06:51 | 2788586 mick_richfield
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I think they dropped Cesium in the world we live in.

It's so hard to poison seven billion cups of tea.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:12 | 2788379 salvadordaly
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Agreed! What could this do for the Patriot Act if it were challenged (may have been but I do not recall)?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:16 | 2788229 Bicycle Repairman
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Absolutely.  H/T to Chris Hedges.  If you haven't seen him speak you should.  You may not agree with all of his solutions, but he speaks powerful truths nonetheless.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:18 | 2788234 vast-dom
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:55 | 2788295 piceridu
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+++ I hope I live long enough to see these names one day minted on new Gold and Silver coins: CHRISTOPHER HEDGES, DANIEL ELLSBERG,JENNIFER BOLEN, NOAM CHOMSKY, ALEXAO’BRIEN, US DAY OF RAGE, KAI WARGALLA,HON. BRIGITTA JONSDOTTIR M.P.,

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:01 | 2788305 Clashfan
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Chomsky has written some terrific stuff, and I even got shunned by peers for teaching his work to freshman and sophomores, so I understand your appreciation for him, believe me. But his attitudes about JFK and 911 truth are extremely disappointing and suspicious.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:06 | 2788436 putaipan
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coins- zappa,carlin, gatekeepers there.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:56 | 2791324 blunderdog
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All liberals, too.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 06:29 | 2788579 malikai
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When Chomsky sticks to what he knows best ala Manufacturing Consent, he is unstoppable.

But he does go off on the deep end with his discussions about economics and some others.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:12 | 2789361 Drachma
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Unfortunately it is Chomsky himself who has been 'manufacturing consent' and confusion amongst his cult-like followers; definitely smacks of a gatekeeper for the so-called educated type.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:41 | 2788457 sumo
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"Chris Hedges you truly are the man!"

Chris Hedges is fucking awesome.

There is a long (3 hrs) in-depth interview with him on

I watched it in two sittings. Compelling. This guy has brains, experience, insight, and balls.

Chris Hedges for President!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:15 | 2788225 a growing concern
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NSA assholes: fuck you, motherfucking traitorous cunts.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:17 | 2788232 DaveyJones
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the most accurate legal terms in this thread

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:25 | 2788246 SgtSchultz
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There is no need to sugar coat opinions on ZH.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:16 | 2788328 Colonel Klink
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No, but you know you loved LeBeau's sugar coated apple strudel!

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:28 | 2788395 Ineverslice
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"Hogan....WHAt are you doing?"

"We're building a tunnel,and breaking out of this stupid FEMA camp ."

"I see NOTHing...!"

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:59 | 2788471 NoClueSneaker
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Sugar coat of mainstream media is in fact a cyanide. Hank Paulson burned more than 40 Tr. $ away, stashing a Bn. for himself, and noone dares to call him a thug. TPTB created the fake money empire, ( Europe is gone since yesterday ), and the fucking media celebrates " Vote for democracy". Why to hell I do smell the corpses in advance ....

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:47 | 2788461 sumo
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And a special Fuck You to Dick Cheney, Mr 2-Hour NORAD Stand-Down himself. When it comes to traitorous cunts, Cheney is in a class of his own.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:11 | 2788322 Colonel Klink
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Whoever gave you a down arrow should be kicked in his sack of junk, assuming he even has a sack.


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:35 | 2788347 Schmuck Raker
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Fuck Yeah!!!


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:00 | 2788368 xtop23
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the judicial branch was supposed to be the last line of defense against governmental overreach and for many years they have been conspicuously silent. its nice to see theres still judges who, rather than play politics, step up and fulfill the very purpose with which they were entrusted. 


thanks Judge Forrest.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:19 | 2788384 putaipan
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journalism on point- the question- "would you trust mittney  with the kill list? " the response? ....priceless.

please viddy-

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:51 | 2788416 lolmao500
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Just watching this made my brain hurt. Most of these fucks should be deported to NKorea but before that, should be neutered so their stupidity doesn't spread. At least one guy had it right.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 05:10 | 2788537 chubbar
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Here's the latest attempt to thwart our 2nd amendment by the cocksucker in chief and his trusty minion Holder.


The Obama administration is making it easier for bureaucrats to take away guns without offering the accused any realistic due process. In a final rule published last week, the Justice Department granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.” That means government can grab firearms and other property from someone who has never been convicted or even charged with any crime.

It’s a dangerous extension of the civil-forfeiture doctrine, a surreal legal fiction in which the seized property — not a person — is put on trial. This allows prosecutors to dispense with pesky constitutional rights, which conveniently don’t apply to inanimate objects. In this looking-glass world, the owner is effectively guilty until proved innocent and has the burden of proving otherwise. Anyone falsely accused will never see his property again unless he succeeds in an expensive uphill legal battle.

Read more:

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:16 | 2791454 blunderdog
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That policy has been in effect in many local municipalities for DECADES. Guess it's about time the Feds picked up the habit.

I remember a bit of a dust-up about it in the mid-90s when the NYC po-po confiscated a guy's Cadillac because he was accused of cocaine possession.  Guiliani was unrepentant at the time, but I believe the guy eventually got his car back.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 06:50 | 2788585 Slightly Insane
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What happens when a former president is found to have performed "traitoress actions"?  If his actions aided the terrorists .... can he then be "detained" or "locked up indefinitely"?   What about the eric holder saga with the "fast & Furious"?   What if Obama knew?   Seems to me we could lock up most of the cabinet?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:46 | 2788125 Ahmeexnal
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it ain't over. not by a long shot.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:02 | 2788177 tmosley
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Exactly.  Like the government is going to follow the law.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:09 | 2788205 DaveyJones
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or the higher courts. SCOTUS has produced the scariest stuff lately

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:10 | 2788211 Ima anal sphincter
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Our POS government will do whatever they want to, whenever they want to.

The only thing that is going to stop them is us...... I'm not seeing much progress in that department.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:17 | 2788330 Colonel Klink
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Yeah but the Dick in your avatar certainly hasn't been much help.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:30 | 2788261 Anusocracy
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The constitution won't stop a bullet, nor a drone, nor a nuke, nor a subhuman POS.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:11 | 2788212 easypoints
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Indeed. Four supreme court justices is all you need to have bought and paid for in this facade of "checks and balances". The rest of the judicial branch is their subordinates, so let the lesser judges vote with their best intensions/brains all they like. Their decisions on federal law are designed to be crowd-pleasing, such as this one, but have little impact. If we get to the Supreme Court, who really think the NDAA, and thus government, is going to get weaker?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:57 | 2788298 piceridu
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I'm afraid you're right...two words: Executive Order

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:46 | 2788126 Manthong
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Damn! I was looking so forward to wintering in Gitmo.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:02 | 2788182 Peter Pan
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The forces of evil might still make your wish come true.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:47 | 2788129 Seasmoke
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George HW Bush must be spinning in his grave

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:53 | 2788142 Ahmeexnal
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Cheney suddenly started registering an agitated pulse.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:16 | 2788327 UGrev
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...wait... I thought he was still in an undisclosed location?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:08 | 2788440 Colonel Klink
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That implies he has a heart.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:07 | 2788387 putaipan
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visualize wishful thinking?


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:48 | 2788130 Yen Cross
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 My Cerebelum is taxed, Tyler!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:49 | 2788132 SilverTree
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Lets see what COG has to say about this.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:54 | 2788145 otto skorzeny
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at that point who is going to listen to those assholes- a few cockroaches?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:50 | 2788133 Clashfan
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Finally, something to cheer about.

I'm voting now, and I have the perfect candidate. All of you sheep who want to avoid the horror of the voting booth need to do your civic duty.

Seriously, though, I'm raising a glass to toast this one. Some great five dollar teacher's wine, a "night harvest." Yum.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:55 | 2788150 Harlequin001
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but they only gave you back what you already had, did they not?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:04 | 2788188 Clashfan
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True, but one tires of bad/horrific news. Hey, smile when ya can.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:46 | 2788288 Harlequin001
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Very true...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:07 | 2788199 Michael
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I'm voting for Obama and against every sitting congress critter, for revenge.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:12 | 2788216 Anusocracy
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Don't vote at all.

Be like the people that stopped looking for work - don't play by their rules.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:43 | 2788278 Michael
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That makes my vote worth ten times more then yours, just like in the primaries.

Thank you.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 06:07 | 2788565 JohnG
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Thu, 09/13/2012 - 02:10 | 2788441 putaipan
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occupy the vote!......funny thing tho' - if you google it, it's already been coopted by people that are trying to get you to vote for something.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:18 | 2788233 Clashfan
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You should only vote for a winner, Michael. Why be on the losing side?

Vote for Ralph Wiggum--pick a winner!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:45 | 2788284 Michael
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Poles say Obama is going to be the winner. I'm voting for the winner.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:32 | 2788343 Clashfan
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Polish folks know the outcome? ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:08 | 2788375 Michael
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Good one CF.

For the rest of you;

Just for one minute, Forget that Obama is King of America.

Can you do that?

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 01:23 | 2788386 Ahmeexnal
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Actually, "poles" would be correct.  Poles at all titty bars have "FORWARD 2012" stickers on them.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 03:38 | 2788499 falak pema
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Yes 'cos they pole dance a lot! 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 05:25 | 2788546 orangegeek
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Poles or Polls?


Nice job on the literacy thing - Obama/Soros should hire more intelligent paid bloggers next time around.


Keep drinking that kool-aid.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 23:31 | 2793423 Clashfan
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Orange, Michael's point is that a vote for O will hasten collapse: He's hardly a supporter.

Fri, 09/14/2012 - 03:27 | 2793694 OldPhart
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 00:46 | 2788358 Colonel Klink
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Wanna make his life a living hell.  Vote for Obummer and every republican you can find on the ticket.

Not that it will change anything but it will create more gridlock and make his job harder.

Still believe they're two heads of the same snake though.

Do what Carlin suggested, don't vote.

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:49 | 2788753 Papasmurf
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That'll teach him.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:50 | 2788135 baltar
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It's not like they put out a notice saying another NDAA person sent to Gitmo today, so how are we to know it will actually stop because of this ruling?


Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:47 | 2788749 Bob
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Good question, since the guv was arguing that provisions explicitly in NDAA were redundant, since such authority was already provided by the Iraq Authorization of Use of Military Force (AUMF) Act:

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:51 | 2788138 otto skorzeny
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who said the US male doesn't have any balls left?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:53 | 2788140 lizzy36
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Chris Hedges for Secretary of Defense. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:55 | 2788149 otto skorzeny
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wouldn't the old "Secretary of War" be more fitting- I mean who are we kidding- besides it has a more menacing tone.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:58 | 2788151 Cognitive Dissonance
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When did "the law" stop this administration, or the prior Bush one for that matter, from doing what they wanted when they wanted?

If the US Gvt really wants you gone you will be disappeared in 60 seconds.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:59 | 2788167 Ahmeexnal
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"but i've got two words for you: predator drones.  you'll never see 'em coming, boys"

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 23:50 | 2788291 Ima anal sphincter
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I would imagine that they're "flying" the ones (that they use to kill innocents) in the middle east from inside the United States.

If they turn them on us, those won't be "piloted" here.

If we cower and run, they win.

I'm sure someone will figure out a way to jam those signals.

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