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US Totalitarianism Loses Major Battle As Judge Permanently Blocks NDAA's Military Detention Provision
Back in January, Pulitzer winning journalist Chris Hedges sued President Obama and the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act, specifically challenging the legality of the Authorization for Use of Military Force or, the provision that authorizes military detention for people deemed to have "substantially supported" al Qaeda, the Taliban or "associated forces." Hedges called the president's action allowing indefinite detention, which was signed into law with little opposition from either party "unforgivable, unconstitutional and exceedingly dangerous." He attacked point blank the civil rights farce that is the neverending "war on terror" conducted by both parties, targetting whom exactly is unclear, but certainly attaining ever more intense retaliation from foreigners such as the furious attacks against the US consulates in Egypt and Libya. He asked "why do U.S. citizens now need to be specifically singled out for military detention and denial of due process when under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force the president can apparently find the legal cover to serve as judge, jury and executioner to assassinate U.S. citizens." A few months later, in May, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest ruled in favor of a temporary injunction blocking the enforcement of the authorization for military detention. Today, the war againt the true totalitarian terror won a decisive battle, when in a 112-opinion, Judge Forrest turned the temporary injunction, following an appeal by the totalitarian government from August 6, into a permanent one.
From Reuters:
The permanent injunction prevents the U.S. government from enforcing a portion of Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act's "Homeland Battlefield" provisions.
The opinion stems from a January lawsuit filed by former New York Times war correspondent and Pulitzer Prize winner Chris Hedges and others. The plaintiffs said they had no assurance that their writing and advocacy activities would not fall under the scope of the provision.
Government attorneys argued that the executive branch is entitled to latitude when it comes to cases of national security and that the law is neither too broad nor overly vague.
"This court does not disagree with the principle that the president has primacy in foreign affairs," the judge said, but that she was not convinced by government arguments.
"The government has not stated that such conduct - which, by analogy, covers any writing, journalistic and associational activities that involve al Qaeda, the Taliban or whomever is deemed "associated forces" - does not fall within § 1021(b)(2)."
What is ironic, is that in the ongoing absolute farce that is the theatrical presidential debate, there hasn't been one word uttered discussing precisely the kind of creeping totalitarian control, and Orwellian loss of constitutional rights, that the biparty-supported NDAA would have demanded out of the US republic. Why? Chris Hedges said it best:
The oddest part of this legislation is that the FBI, the CIA, the director of national intelligence, the Pentagon and the attorney general didn’t support it. FBI Director Robert Mueller said he feared the bill would actually impede the bureau’s ability to investigate terrorism because it would be harder to win cooperation from suspects held by the military. “The possibility looms that we will lose opportunities to obtain cooperation from the persons in the past that we’ve been fairly successful in gaining,” he told Congress.
But it passed anyway. And I suspect it passed because the corporations, seeing the unrest in the streets, knowing that things are about to get much worse, worrying that the Occupy movement will expand, do not trust the police to protect them. They want to be able to call in the Army. And now they can.
He is 100% correct, and today, if it weren't for his lawsuit, the saying that someone, somewhere in the world might possibly "hate America for its liberties" would have been the biggest lie conceivable.
Also, the total fascist takeover of America would now have been a fact.
Some other insights from Hedges, who explained back in January, just why he is suing Barack Obama:
This demented “war on terror” is as undefined and vague as such a conflict is in any totalitarian state. Dissent is increasingly equated in this country with treason. Enemies supposedly lurk in every organization that does not chant the patriotic mantras provided to it by the state. And this bill feeds a mounting state paranoia. It expands our permanent war to every spot on the globe. It erases fundamental constitutional liberties. It means we can no longer use the word “democracy” to describe our political system.
The supine and gutless Democratic Party, which would have feigned outrage if George W. Bush had put this into law, appears willing, once again, to grant Obama a pass. But I won’t. What he has done is unforgivable, unconstitutional and exceedingly dangerous. The threat and reach of al-Qaida—which I spent a year covering for The New York Times in Europe and the Middle East—are marginal, despite the attacks of 9/11. The terrorist group poses no existential threat to the nation. It has been so disrupted and broken that it can barely function. Osama bin Laden was gunned down by commandos and his body dumped into the sea. Even the Pentagon says the organization is crippled. So why, a decade after the start of the so-called war on terror, do these draconian measures need to be implemented? Why do U.S. citizens now need to be specifically singled out for military detention and denial of due process when under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force the president can apparently find the legal cover to serve as judge, jury and executioner to assassinate U.S. citizens, as he did in the killing of the cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen? Why is this bill necessary when the government routinely ignores our Fifth Amendment rights—“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law”—as well as our First Amendment right of free speech? How much more power do they need to fight “terrorism”?
Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission.
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"If the US Gvt really wants you gone you will be disappeared in 60 seconds."
I wondered what happened to Travis7777.
Travis7777? He was last seen polishing David Duke's boots....with his tongue. Or was that his thong?
So many FEMA camps to prepare...so little time....
so you're more of a Bobby Knight "if rape is inevitable lay back and enjoy it kind of guy"?
The 51 rounds strapped to my waist says I'll take a few of them with me.
At least it will be even.
Do it, don't just brag about it.
Chief justice Roberts will have something to say about this.
"Pool accident" story at 11.....
Fuck ....does that mean we are about to be witness to another terror attack on US soil in 10....9....8....
"True totalitarian terror"? True totalitarians don't have courts that step in to get it right, Tyler, you fucking idiot.
Oh yes they do !!!! They are called kangaroo courts. In this case it wasn't the system that granted a vixtory, but one man against the system that has sold out its people.
Of course they do. Even the worst despots operate under the illusion of legality.
Troll much?
This is ONE of many infractions on our rights that someone did something about.
One.
"This is ONE"? Stuff gets ruled unconstitutional all the time. Infractions on your rights here are petty compared to a real "true totalitarian terrorism" and if you folks here don't see that you have lost all sense of proportion and gone nuts on your own blather.
Hey fool,
Watch a recent news report about what's happening to civilians in Yemen, and you'll see what a sick and insane US Govt you have that's murdering people, unaccountably, in larger and larger numbers and just getting away with it, in what isn't even being reported as another undeclared middle eastern US war. It is of course, it just hasn't escalated or rather degenerated into a situation were 50k troops have been inserted. But I bet 5,000 US troops are in Yemen right now. And nor has the duplicitous and treacherous mainstream media bothered to make it clear that Obama has involved the US people in yet another horrible middle eastern insurgency, in order to prop-up another favored murderous tyrant, who only a year ago was shooting up to 170 people dead with Govt snipers in a single day.
This protest in Yemen last month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z57CQoMjUIA
Headlines from Yemen today:
http://yementimes.com/
BREAKING: Bombings Outside Cabinet Leave 12 Dead, Defense Minister Unharmed
http://yementimes.com/en/1606/news/1380/BREAKING-Bombings-Outside-Cabine...
Nope, nothing unusual happening there today.
So let's stop pretending that only Assad and Gadaffi go around killing protesters when it's been repeatedly shown that the insurgent's backed by the US/NATO are predominantly doing the mass-murders occurring in Syria and are flat-out refusing to negotiate any end to hostilities. And Obama and Clinton are politically and materially 100% behind these killers, arming them, advising them and encouraging them to greater levels of insurgent and terrorist violence.
Washington are doing it for one reason they want what Assad has--control over Syria. They want another violent US-backed Sunni Govt in power in Damascus as in Yemen.
But if you want to talk complete shit about a dubious "sense-of-proportion", then let me refer you to the behaviour of the mega-slaughter(s) the US govt has engaged in, during past undeclared illegal 'wars', which were really just mass executions of the population when you get right down to it, in which millions of people died due directly and indirectly to the US govt's undeclared, illegal and hidden massed air-attacks on civilian populations
People who were doing absolutely nothing to the United States and had no intention of ever doing anything to the United States. The US PENTAGON simply decided they were too peaceful, not warlike enough, so decided to bomb the shit out of them, to stir things up and change the social dynamics, so they would become much less secure, and thus more manipulable and willing to do Pentagon's bidding. And it entirely failed to produce that outcome.
Watch the videos punk:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/september-11-%E2%80%93-eleven-years-later-...
It's indisputable that the US Govt is a monstrous and insane global mass-murderer, the evidence for it is overwhelming. The only real difference here with regard to other major fascist war-mongering states is that the US has not yet been punished or held to account or it's leaders executed for their numerous violent crimes and war-making against the peace of our world, and against civilised behaviour.
The stupid is strong in this one.
I think if you want to be technical, "totalitarian" is an adjective applied to governments, and "terrorism" is only ever used to describe actions commited by NON-government actors. Meaning: it's not called "terrorism" when the BATF lands a death-squad on your roof, but it is "terrorism" when a guy throws a brick through the window of city hall.
The USA is certainly a totalitarian state, though. Go ahead and refuse to consent to a search when a cop wants to frisk you and see how it all plays out. If you survive (which is still reasonably likely if you're "white"), you'll be introduced to a whole new set of rules about life in Murka you may never have known about before.
I'd love the believe that somewhere, checks and balances are still working; that somewhere there are still reporters reporting the real news and fighting for the freedom of the press; and that somewhere there is a judge or two courageous enough to check the ever increasing reach of the executive branch. Congress didn't drop the ball, they licked some. It seems that the judges are our only hope in terms of protecting our rights.
We are so fucked.
60 minutes has done some excellent pieces MsC, on the financial crisis and on the fraud and corruption in our government. I just hope the viewers are paying attention...
I notice Hedges is touting the "Osama buried at sea" crap, too.
I guess we have to take what we can get.
Feel free to step up and do something significant yourself. For a guy with all the answers it should be easy.
I hear ya, Crock. Good point.
I do work hard educating non-traditional college students. I teach them how to read and write, and it's not easy. I'm fairly stringent with them. I get paid either way, so it would be much easier on them and me to just pass them along, but I won't stomach it. And it has cost me. Students aren't always grateful if they're not simply stamped and processed. Also, I have spoken out a lot in my classes, and it has affected my career. I've paid a price. I've also done my time on the anti-war protest lines locally and in Washington. I've also been a canvasser. And I'm a widely published poet depsite the political nature of my work--no easy task. I have done what I've felt like I could do.
I'm sure a lot of us are doing what we can. And I certainly appreciate what Hedges has done here (and the judge).
But that story about "getting" OBL is crap. I call 'em like I see 'em. And that, too, is a part of doing what I can.
I guess we have to take what we can get.
If you're selling a product to the sheep, you have to use a paradigm they're confortable with. Too much truth always scares the rubes.
+1, and I was expecting someone to say that. That's what I thought.
But as Woody Harrelson (son of a JFK assassin) says in The Big White, "Still...."
A thousand thanks for making the effort that you do, Clashfan ... all your students will respect you, even if some don't 'love' you. Indeed, you'll likely be the spark that ignites another Patrick Henry, or George Carlin, in the next generation. It's the least you/we can [try to] do ... we're all we have!
BTW, Hedges' background and associations are as suspect as all hell, to me. So don't be surprised if there isn't some agenda being played here (or maybe I'm just becoming too suspicious of the motives of those with apparent multiple Luciferian connections...after Ron Paul's obvious mock campaign).
I'll certainly give Hedges the benefit of the doubt for his apparent bravery...for now....
PS. This guy also does an excellent job of carrying on the tradition of John Taylor Gatto, while focussing on teaching critical thinking (I haven't listened to him for a year or two, but I was very impressed when I did) ... http://schoolsucks.podomatic.com/.
Wow, thanks for the props. I don't speak out in class anymore, partly because I wanted to keep working, and mostly because I teach entirely online now. Driving back and forth to distant classes and disparate times just sucked, and the confined format of online courses keeps me focused and out of trouble.
Besides, I should stick to the topic regardless of how much I think I might be helping open minds. But for a long time, I opened many minds. One young student even sent me an email with a picture of herself standing beside all of the FEMA coffins stacked in our lovely southern state. I also pissed off plenty of students, too, which is not a good thing, really. Bunch of little flag-waving fascists where I live, though.
I do think that teaching critical thinking is important and that I can apply it to the literature or readings our students have. Clearly, I no longer try ambitious endeavors like assigning Chomsky. The main reason the students hated that one was b/c they actually had to learn new words and terms. Sigh.
I do think, however, that awareness is our only way out of this ditch--or our only way to start crawling out. And I think that's directly related to the average college students' abilities to read carefully, understand the logical structure and rules of sentences, write decently, and think critically. And I think that, for a paltry salary of poverty and ridicule, basically, I provide a service to the nation. I hope I do, anyway. I try.
These days I focus mostly on grammar and mechanics and on making students clearly organize their thoughts. While such requirements may seem pedantic, they do help students progress. And I try to assign and discuss literature that is worthwhile.
The most exciting part of my job over the years has been being able to see students develop their skills within the time frame of my courses. Another exciting facet is that, even though I've been teaching exclusively online for the last four or five years, I still get recognized all over town by former students, people I haven't seen in years. Happened just this week, in fact. My wife says I'm a rock star. I wish.
I appreciate the kind words and the link. I notice a misspelling early, but I also notice an interesting phrase, "emotional intelligence," which I recently saw in a pretty good film (pretty good)--something w/Kevin Kline and a dog? I have saved the site, though, and will try to give it a look later. TY. :)
"Congress didn't drop the ball, they licked some"
very nice
good to see you MsC
sorry mscreant for using your post to double post this linky but your avatar kinda reminded me of billy budd assange fer a moment....
journalism on point- the question- "would you trust mittney with the kill list? " the response? ....priceless.
please viddy- http://gawker.com/5941326/ask-the-dnc-is-romney-ready-for-the-kill-list
Man, that's poignant and hilarious. TY.
Kudos to the Judge.
However, one small victory does not win a war.
And as they said: A hero will step forward!
J.R. You are a wonderful " Illusion". When you become active, let me know?
J.R. we have spoken for the better part of 4 years! Did you write down all those (R/S) F/X levels?
Does Sue Ellen, really exist?
I did, Yen! I did! What a night, what a night.
It begins…and I willl, I will. What a night!
Sue Ellen already is lacing up her combat boots!!
The defiant act of one judge is by no means the winning punch, but it certainly is reassuring that one lonely judge has dared to stand up to a system that has persistently brought the USA closer to its knees.
I am wondering how long it will be before people who bring complaints to the court are also treated like terrorists and end up in detention.
The reversal of this sorry state of affairs does not require numbers, it just requires momentum.
You know you're in a fucked up country when the "radicals", "protestors", and "trouble-makers" are simply demanding the rule of law and the supremacy of the Constitution.
Sumo, I have got to say your comment has me laughing at the irony contained in it. So true. So true in many ways.
Screw Obama and his whole corrupt useless, worthless, brain-dead team.
I'm sorry, I don't have that much fuck in me.
I'm fucked out too !!!
/not
/never
/can't happen...
What was it Mick Jagger sang? Oh, yeah: "I just don't have that much jam."
Some Girls.
The Clash rocked out my university a year before my arrival as a freshman.... sonofabeech.
TY Judge Smails. Sorry you missed it. I got to see them twice--once w/out Topper and once w/out Topper or Mick, but hey, I was glad to get to see them. The second time I was in the second row, and Joe Strummer was right in my face. He had on a white suit and had a fresh, large mohawk.
I hate missing great shows. Double Farts!
I think after Andrew Jackson everything went downhill Prez-wise
I Killed the Bank
What a truly great President. He knew who the REAL enemy was and he had the balls to fight-em.
We had one in the early 60's who was trying to correct things. He lost.
Is this the same one who commited suicide from the book repository?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTFASpNOpHw
A man of courage dies once
A coward dies everyday.
JFK was, IMO, a profile in courage
Now, how can you say such nasty things? Obama signed NDAA "with regret." And that makes him OK!
/sarc
funny thing, when I think of Obama, the first word that comes to mind is also regret
The "house" blocked the "idea" . The Senate was "exculpatory"! That really means some people are pissed off!
How many divisions does the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York have?
One to hold the public up to the orifice and two to turn the ladder?
MsCreant why do you waste your time? The starting point is a lesson in it's self!
I wonder if Janet Napolitano knows or even cares about this whole U.S. District Court business...
No one in DC has ever heard of Marbury v. Madison certainly so it's doubtful this will be any different.
You betcha she does. The judge is now on a watch list as an Enemy Of The State.
Ruling Shumling! Does anyone really believe, especially after seeing the current lawlessness of Obama, that anyone will lift a finger to stop it? This is exactly why the 2nd Amendment even exists. Those smart old guys saw this coming as they knew history.
FORWARD SOVIET!
I love you Judge Forrest.
When I wrote my two senators, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, about this provision in the NDAA 2012 bill, I received the following rationalizations. Take them for whatever they're worth - they offer insight on how the political class thinks. Or at least how the political class wants citizens to perceive the thinking. My Republican representative, Scott Campbell, received my kudos for voting against.
From Feinstein:
Dear [x]:
Thank you for your continued interest in the detention authorities that are part of National Defense Authorization Act. I understand that this is an important issue to you, so I am writing to update you on the status of the legislation and my effort to help defend Americans' constitutional right to due process.
As you know, the defense bill contains a provision authorizing the U.S. government to detain suspected terrorists until the end of hostilities. Although the defense bill calls for periodic reviews of their detention, I strongly oppose this detention provision. In our democracy, due process is a fundamental right, and it protects us from being indefinitely detained by the government without charge.
For this reason, I offered an amendment to the defense bill to prohibit the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge or trial. Unfortunately, on December 1, 2011, this amendment failed by a vote of 45 – 55.
However, I did sponsor a compromise amendment that passed the Senate by a vote of 99 – 1 stating that the defense bill should not be read as providing any new detention authorities of U.S. citizens. Although I would have preferred to have restricted the government's ability to detain U.S. citizens without charge, this compromise at least ensures that the defense bill does not expand the government's authority in this area. As you may know, this amendment was included as section 1021(e) of the final version of the legislation as approved by Congress.
Despite my longstanding opposition to the detention provisions, I voted in favor of the legislation. I did so because it ensures that our troops deployed around the world have the equipment, resources, and training they need to defend our nation.
Please know that I remain dedicated to helping ensure that our detention authorities are consistent with our Constitution and our values. Accordingly, I introduced the "Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011" (S. 2003) on December 15, 2011. This bill states that a Congressional authorization for the use of military force does not authorize the indefinite detention—without charge or trial—of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents who are apprehended domestically. The bill clarifies that such detention authority only exists in cases where the Congress specifically provides it, unlike the current situation where the general language of the Authorization for the Use of Military Force against al Qaeda is interpreted by some as providing detention authority. For your reference, I have attached a copy of the bill, and I ask for your support as it proceeds in the Senate Judiciary Committee and hopefully to the Senate Floor.
Again, I am pleased that you remain engaged in this important issue. Like you, I am a firm believer in our constitutional rights, and I will continue my efforts to protect them. If you have any additional comments or questions, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841.
Wishing you a happy 2012.
Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
And here's the gem from Ms. Boxer:
Dear Mr. [x]:
Thank you for writing to me about provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) concerning the military detention of enemy combatants. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.
I was deeply disappointed that the final version of the NDAA did not include important language authored by Senators Mark Udall (D-CO) and Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) regarding detainees that would have protected civil liberties while helping to keep us safe. During floor consideration of the NDAA, I voted for an amendment offered by Senator Udall that would have replaced the detainee provisions in the bill with a requirement for the Administration to report to Congress on detention authorities. Unfortunately, this amendment failed by a vote of 38-60.
I also voted for an amendment offered by Senator Feinstein that would have clarified that mandatory military detention would apply only to terrorist suspects captured outside the United States. This amendment also failed by a vote of 45-55.
I strongly oppose any expansion of military detention authority that erodes our civil liberties. That is why I am a co-sponsor of S.2003, the Due Process Guarantee Act. This important bipartisan legislation would protect American citizens arrested within the United States from being held indefinitely by the U.S. military.
Although I disagree with many of the provisions in the NDAA, I voted for it because it includes a number of measures for our troops and their families, including a pay raise requested by President Obama and important health care benefits.
Again, thank you for writing. Please feel free to contact me again about this or other issues of concern to you.
Sincerely,
Barbara Boxer
United States Senator
Christ-I thought we had dumbass congresspeople here in IL. at least we have Crazy Joe Walsh
You know you're on a list now , not only for knowing about the bill but also for daring to write in and challenging it. See you in the FEMA camps.
I won't be seeing either of you suckers... best of luck at the FEMA-sponsored Buffet of the Americas where they serve corn-laden MREs made of GMOs that even my dogs won't eat.
In other words and much briefer terms:
Dear Mr [x],
I want you to think that I am concerned about this topic, but sorry I'm not. Since I'm a complete tool, I voted for the NDAA. ("Rah Rah Rah -- Support our Troops! -- United We Stand! -- USA! USA! USA!") I'm going to let the issue rest and not try to address any of the concerns noted.
Signed,
[your Senator]
Barbara Boxer: "I voted for [the U.S. government to detain suspected terrorists (including U.S. citizens) ...indefinitely] because it includes ...a pay raise requested by President Obama and important health care benefits."
Priceless.
Re the Barbara Boxer comment :
good for democracy and the republic to kick the butt of false Boxers of "we the people" mantra; subsequently not only cut their own pay rise but then to kick them definitely out of office.
Okay, so these president wannbees spent a billion dollars to nail down a job that pays about a million dollars plus benefits over four years.
Am I wrong to think there might be something else going on here?
Probably just some paranoid thinking on my part.
Yeah, well, that IS Congress and all. That's how laws get made.
If a law has a lot of GREAT ways to pay off the various campaign contributors, and has one or two minor flaws--like legalizing assassination or imprisonment with no due process--sometimes you just have to pass the damn thing to represent the interests of the constituents.
I'm sure there were plenty of Congress-critters who voted yes on the NDAA despite personal disaste with one or another clause. But hey--they're professionals. You can always count on them to rise above their own personal moral integrity when it really comes down to it.
Next up.............TPP............a fortune 500 wet dream
My first thought. Fitting clip below I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsvmY3Q9cY
Judge Forrest had better hope that her ruling is not overturned by a higher court because the ruling, in itself, could be deemed to be "substantial support" for Al Queda, et. al., making her subject to indefinite detention.
Three cheers for Judge Forrest!
The Pentagon's response to this ruling "Good thing nobody cares when a tree falls in a forest! We'll just draft a new law the works around the ruling by claiming they are no longer citizens and instead, they're 'enemy combatants' and house them overseas where our laws don't apply!"
Oh, that particular law has already been drafted. Ever heard of the Enemy Expatriation Act? Fortunately it was referred to committee (where it will hopefully die, die, die), but I have no doubt the intention was to prop up or provide a work around in case the outcry over NDAA became too loud.
and that's another thing......this "substantial support" thing? does that mean we get to lock up NATO for recent actions in libiya and syria?
duh dunh duh.....splash!
Boxer and Fienstein can kiss my Goyim ass!
Ohhhh in your face Obama, in your face!
Barry will just sign an executive order over ruling the judge.
Or they'll just do what they want anyway and you can take them to court after you are done being rendered and disappeared.
And this "ruling" is going to have what effect on the course of history?
Zero.
These people have no respect for the law, so why am I to believe they will respect this decision. Court decisions only matter when they side with the totalitarians plans {Socialized medicine, ie, ObamaCare}. This ruling will matter little.
"ObamaCare" isn't socialized medicine, dude. It has NOTHING to do with "medicine." It's just another fascist ploy to mandate the public to buy services from private companies.
No one has ever died from a lack of health-insurance.
People die because they cannot get TREATMENT. Play all the games in the world with the insurers--you can be certain that plenty of people will still not be getting any treatment.
So a portion of a law which was created in flagrant and blatant disregard for the supreme law of the nation is now going to be blocked by a district court permanent injunction - a district court whose authority ultimately derives from none other than said supreme law of the nation??? Give me a fucking break! Against the federal government THERE IS NO WINNING, it will simply arrogate to itself whatever further powers are deemed desirable and what the fuck are YOU gonna do about it!? The law courts exist to promote the fantastic delusion that the state is subject to the law - the law which it creates, controls, and administers. Where is your habeas corpus? Where is your right to bear arms? Where is the sound money issued by the Congress? Where are these absurd "checks and balances" I've heard so much about? Where is your posse comitatus?
The next person to get disappeared will hold up a copy of this injunction and learn exactly what "the rule of law" really means - fuck all.
The only justice that's real is the justice that you take for yourself. - Eric Cartman.
then let this "decision" be seen as another news story that might attract the attention of the distracted masses, and perhaps tap a few on the head to test-lick the red pill. . .
I won't say "hope" but it would be cool if more folks had their curiousity. . .prodded.
isn't Chris Hedges just great... total respect for his bravery taking on the US Govt and excellence in execution
and 'Wow' no less than 2 US Judges stood firm against, well 'The Firm' and didn't yield to their political (pay)masters
there's still some fight and backbone left in the Eagle
Mitt is a wimp... full speed ahead on Obama's birth cert, his college admission papers, his passport records and a full explanation of the "Patriot" Act extension and his NDAA. What the hell is wrong with him not to go there???
He will not go there because he knows better. Although many people deep down in their soul know something doesn't add up with this President, no one is allowed to ask about it anymore. Just ask Sheriff Joe Apiro in Arizona how his Federal civil rights violations charges are doing. The justice department {isn't that a joke!} wants him DEAD.
they've been dropped.
Apparently so has Sheriff Arpaio's investigation into the birth certificate issue. Chris Greene got quite a strange reaction to asking him about it during an interview at the RNC. Suddenly Sheriff Arpaio doesn't have much to say about it now that the DOJ charges have been dropped. Odd that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM4y5x8EPmg&feature=plcp
All charges against Joe were recently dismissed by placeholder.
House Approves Sweeping, Warrantless Electronic Spy Powers
Two angles to look at this.
Time will tell.. Methinks #1 is the answer.
I'm voting for hedges for supreme court in this year's election
democracy! hell yeah!
OK, Lets get this straight! My " olfactory nerve", will sort this (quagmire), of intelllectual "dissonance", OUT?
Hedges and Chomsky are to be commended as are all who participated. Both are crusaders and voices of reason who think above the insanity.
a little food for thought amidst all the rousing bandwagon cheerleading...
"By far the most influential player in the Watergate Crisis was Nixon's National Security Adviser-Henry Kissinger. As far back as the mid-1960s, the Bilderbergers placed Kissinger in charge of a small group consisting of James Schlesinger, Alexander Haig and Daniel Ellsberg. Working with them was the Institute of Policy Studies chief theoretician, Noam Chomsky. While the IPS was the brainchild of the British Roundtable, the Tavistock Institute determined its agenda, and together they developed programmed-learning techniques. In the '60s, Kissinger's team and Chomsky were creating the "New Left" as a grassroots movement in the US to engender strife and unrest. Their goal was to spread chaos and to proliferate the "ideals" of nihilistic socialism. From this they could engineer the "big stick" with which to beat the United States political establishment." Daniel Estulin
+1 from me. Love it whenever someone mentions Tavistock.
Chump-sky is a moron. He's on Soros' payroll.
That's an excellent reason to discount anything worthwhile he might have ever done in his life.
He's written some very good books, period. Necessary Illusions is an essential read, and World Orders Old and New is prescient and timeless.
His statements regarding 911 and JFK do tarnish his legacy, though, any way you slice it.
Typical hasbara disinfo agent....say lots of important things, deflect blame, and keep people from discerning the real culprits!
Are you kidding? Chomsky's not even a Zionist.
Me, too!
For those who have researched Tavistock and who they are, what they do, and why, it is always good to see that others (though not enough) know. It is an invisible squid, engaged in massive psychological warfare.
I noticed that protesters in Egypt had on Guy Fawks masks. Really? That has Tavistock/NED written all over it!
Cracks me up....a phony protest of a phony "revolution"! We are truly down the rabbit hole now!
Pup, you might really like Inside the LC by McGowan. Read that yet? Fantastic stuff, and it sounds like you have the "emotional intelligence" (lol, sorry, had to use it today) to examine it on its face.
It's an online book, enthralling, intriguing, and salacious, filled with details: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
It's beneath the more unfortunate "Moondoggie" stuff.
if you want to understand assange think/study ellsberg.....it was time for 'them' to get out of vietnam anyway.
Yes, Chomsky is also one of the great guardians on the left of 911 truth going with the blowback theory. He is bankrupt and a degenerate being used knowingly or unknowingly as a tool for ruling class and imperial empire.
Um, you do know that Chomsky joined Chris Hedges in this lawsuit? Not exactly the action of a pro-imperialist.
Got a helpful cite for that quote, Yardfarmer? If it came from a book, it's one I obviously have to read.
god bless Judge Katherine Forrest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
both totalitarian fascists running for president embraced this wicked nazi law....
and even more so, god bless Chris Hedges !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am so surprised that he wasn't denied standing as those seeking to sue obama for his citizenship proof....that foul fraud soetoro couldn't get a driver's license in georgia with the flimsy tissue paper evidence he has provided for his citizenship which of course he doesn't have because he is an indonesian national....
Read what happened when SCOTUS ruled The New Deal unconstitutional back during the last depression. History lessons are in order.
I suppose...
Control, which has no natural end
vs
Communication, which doesn't either
reaches a point of contention, and
the Communication came a little too late,
and the end result will test
the resolve of the Good
vs
the insanity
of those driven to Control.
Don't forget that optimism can be fueled by Truth, no matter where you find yourself now.
Tyler, your rousing summation of this exciting good news was world class; this is what it is to win in fight back – the counter punch, the knock out, the thrill of success that binds the troops. Thanks! to you and all the Chris Hedges and ZHers for Fight Club!
J.R. I'm not deposing you. When exactly/ever Has Tyler questioned you?
JR. the Quorum respects your "Historical Validation" , but we both know that history repeats in ugly ways!
History does repeat in positive ways, Yen. When a government gives a small elite this kind of power; it’s going to break.
It’s breaking now… America is awakening and is going to shake off this banker-controlled system…
The primary tool the American system of government has is the voluntary support given it by its citizens; if that tool is withdrawn, if financial and moral support are withdrawn, there can be no government and, thus, no force. That voluntary trust is now waning.
This banker-controlled Congress is out of control, the worst assemblage of bought-off politicians that we’ve seen in our history. America is at her low point. The people are finding out what most of the world has long known. What it’s like to have a government without representation, what it’s like to have someone ride in and take your property and tell you there’s nothing you can do about it. The difference is this: Americans were born free; they believe they are free; and God protect the despots as more and more Americans realize that freedom is being threatened…
Bernanke and Wall Street and Washington, DC, are in line for a hard landing, IMO.
J.R. I reeally hope we have the chance to meet someday. We both know eachother. Remember 2010 May, when you said to write down all those (res/sup) levels , aud/jpy? I did!
Remember the fall of 2010 eur/jpy, and we were moving 150 pips every day? I do. I saved and traded smart.
The Congress is pathetic , on both sides. This Quagmire will end in a "down grade" , and a yield spike! We all know that.
J.R. you should run for a Senate seat. I would vote for you!
Thanks, Yen. ;-)
First thing tomorrow, the foot soldiers will hit the streets looking for a MSLSD camera anchor prole. Taking a cap full of hydrogen peroxide and drumming up a frothed mouth should be a good subsidized TV money shoot.
...so things are out of hand a? lol.
Yeah, well we are all dealing with the prophetic fulfillment of this last generation.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+6%3A12&version=KJV
It's not as if we do not know what is going on is ...''Max Insanity''! Ah ha ha haa,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA_aVZrR5NI&feature=player_embedded
Well, at least we know the time is short. >>>Very interesting>>>
>>> http://cybertribenetwork.blogspot.com/2012/09/intel-from-israel-on-whats-getting-set.html
...real short.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR98Tc-5nP8
OT, but has there been anything new on the 'killing' of the ambassador to Libya? I'm out of the loop in this godforsaken peaceful part of the forest and can't find a thing since it happened. Did it really happen and if so---why is the story so quiet?????
the crickets are really loud and talkative tonight but not a word about Stevens om
...here you go oldman, I did some work for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIj32FyIQ9A&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6yGzpSvjU <<< This is the counterintelligence program bait. >>> http://mondoweiss.net/2012/09/ap-says-anti-islam-movie-was-conceived-as-effort-to-help-israel.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/u-s-ambassador-to-libya-three-staffers-killed-in-benghazi-rocket-attack-1.464509?localLinksEnabled=false
Magic Underwear response http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/12/romney-calls-obama-response-to-libya-attacks-disgraceful/
More threats of attack http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_ALGERIA_US_EMBASSY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-12-07-23-29
@Blackhole
Thanks for the help---I had seen a couple of these but thought that I was stuck in a bad cartoon. How can anyone believe that we ('them', the gov't) had so much confidence in the Libyans that we had no military provided for the Embassy's security---especially during a protest of this type? All of the background on the filmaker/religious wackos/perpertrators of the insult seems like just a lot of disinfo noise----and where did he die/when/if/or???
I mean, What the hell is really going on here----neither oil or gold are very excited---it is like nothing happened! Like I wrote, I am out of the loop in THIS banana republic and have no idea what ids going on in THAT one(u s), but-------
No election campaign, no news------continual vomiting of opinions and slurs----no hurricanes
What is an oldman to do? Have you dudes in the US already been blown up and we are only receiving the clouds of dust here as images of our plant dreams?
Is Tyler real or are all of these comments just bot driven---save your courteous response to me?
Thanks again, Blackhole, at least there is one real person on this blog though not this oldman om
awe oldman, you are wise to what is happening, lol. We know exactly what is going on. Pretty wild to think there are so many that are clueless. What can yuh do but try to comfort them with the Truth but ummm that's no comfort to those that stand in contempt of their own life, having accepted the offer(s) now upon our table.
Squid Juice is made from the same Soylent Green. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-LJ1ZCo7fQ
P.S. I have no clue what they are singing. Lol, that sums up the general public. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a16iTwYKoc
BHD:
See this also from Veterans Today:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/embassy-killings-in-libya-the-st...
He's killed at currently one of the most dangerous US Embassy environments that apparently lacked any Marine guards. OK they're sending them (and how many more?) now....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/marine-unit-dispatched-to-sec...
to protect against Al Qaeda fighters who were the freedom rebel forces supported by NATO in the overthrow of Quaddafi....(wasn't Al Qaeda the same guys from 9/11?...)
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/20120912us_offici...
who apparently planned to attack US forces on the anniversary of 'their 9/11 attack' but were a day late.
But of course! What better way for the killers' Bankster masters to celebrate the consolidation of anarchy and resources in Africa and the outgrowth of new central banking ponzi regimes in previously secular, moderate, educated, civilized, independent, oil-rich pockets of middle class resistance than with more fireworks and pointless death and destruction on such an anniversary to feed their Luciferian existence?
It's kinda like the Bankster Demons' Fourth of July.....
@palmereldritch
Hey palmer,
Now this is what I have been waiting for-----'US Marines sent to Libya'
But we did not send them before because----------
Oh, but now, after-the-fact, we send 50 into a hornet's nest of how many? How can 50 johnwaynes make a dent in so many of our other 'soldiers' who are making such a fuss? And what about the damage to OUR PROPERTY--it is US soil, is it not? What about 'homeowner's insurance---are we going to be paid for our loss? They made a hell-of-a-mess out of our little castle, did they not? Maybe this will bring QE3---we need to get our little palace away from home restored, do we not?
I'm exhausted from all of the excitement---this is the first real news since the artic ice cracked the four million KM mark!
Don't we have some ships or somthing in the area---where the hell is the Commander-in-Chief----on the golf course again???? This guy's as bad as Ike!
And you mention the Banksters----the same guys we are partners with----right? There working their asses off to keep this country in dollars and our nation safe economically---the whole system goes without the banks----I hope we can print enough fast enough---we are facing a real crisis in this country!
We really are locked in a bad cartoon---where's that rabbit at?
thanks for the links om
"where the hell is the Commander-in-Chief" oldman asks.
He's currently in Las Vegas campaigning.
Cheers om
Maybe the Banksters sent their crims in because they discovered another vault of bullion to loot and those poor American diplomats got in the way.
At the very least, expect (no surprise) to see BHO wag the dog and rattle the sabre before the election AND establish that beachhead for Africom that he has been remiss to commit to but will satisfy many in the MIC crowd and other geo-political resource vultures looking to thwart the PRC in that neck of the woods.
His teleprompter is telling him he's a Commander in Chief!...and that he's up for re-election and down in the polls.
The safest wars are the ones you can definitely win as far away from home as possible.
Check out this article from Veteran's Today by Gordon Duff, former Vietnam combat vet and high level CIA officer, who runs the site. Admittedly, he is a terrible writer, but you will be able to extract the info you need. Things are not always as they seem, of course. Keep up on what Duff is saying for an alternative (and probably more accurate) explanation. Keep in mind that he still has major intel sources. He is no fan of Obama or Romney, just a patriot.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/12/embassy-killings-in-libya-the-st...
Congrats Chris Hedges! Fuck Obama.
OT but I keep seeing ads on this page that send me to a site that's all "do you like shiny metal? then send us your cash."
and "do you like the feeling of security? then send us your cash."
and "do you think this girl has nice breasts? how about her mother? isn't this a fine looking young man? how about his young brother? or the middle aged silver haired dude? then send us your cash."
clearly they have hacked into my email accounts.
ok. fine.
/s
is there no respect for flippant self-effacing humor any more? at long last, no respect for flippant self-effacing humor?
Nancy Pelosi was one of the defendants on the 112-page ruling.
She's just going to have to read it to find out what's in it.
"associated forces" could logically be construed as the United States Government.
Paying taxes is supporting Al-Qaeda.
Great news. Thank-you Chris Hedges.
Bring the Noise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1G3Iew-md4
Turn it up!
Wonderful news! Chris Hedges +1000
After the judge ordered the temporary injunction, the House passed an amdt that takes away your right to immediate Habeas Corpus, which requires a person under arrest to immediately be brought before a judge or into court.
Steven Vladeck blogged at Lawfare:
First, the 30-day provision in Rep Louie Gohmert’s amdt would arguably allow the government to preclude a detainee’s access to court (or counsel) for 30 days, whereas under current law, the detainee may file the moment he is ‘in custody under or by color of the authority of the United States.’ Second, it introduces uncertainty regarding whether individuals arrested within the United States but out of immigration status are entitled to pursue habeas relief (never mind the countless immigration cases where such relief has historically been available—and the compelling constitutional arguments supporting that jurisprudence).
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2012/05/the-fy2013-ndaa-and-domestic-detentio...
How your rep voted
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll271.xml
The Obama police state may now shop around for a federal appeals court dominated by Republican Brownshirt judges and get the judge's ruling overturned.
John Yoo is already packing his bag.
Just for one minute, Forget that Obama is King of America.
Can you do that?
I've read enough of what you post around here to say with confidence "Go Fuck Yourself Mikey"
Does that make you Queen?
Now, if only any Americans could read (AND COMPREHEND) this would be a great victory for Liberty.
The named defendants - Obama, Panetta, McCain, Boehner, Reid, Pelosi, and Cantor - should be glad that the military can't detain them under NDAA for providing substantive and material support to our enemies, e.g., the Sinaloa Cartel. However -- they and Holder and Hilary should be filling their boots that AUMP was countenanced by Judge Forrest. AUMP met her legal test of specifically identifying Al Quida as the organization which may not be supported. As the US has armed, financed, and supported Al Quida in Syria, these named defendants should be rounded up and sent to GITMO. Judge Forrest did not object to that.
That's right... the military won't detain the traitors directly, the MASS ARRESTS will be conducted by civilian law enforcement and backed up by the military... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo
Tyler my system backups are taking .(longer and longer)? I need to read all this shit!
Like it will matter in the end! LOL!
This judge will probably be the first one to disappear.
Sorry. Too little... and much, much, much too late. The predators-DBA-government don't follow the law, and since they control the Injustice Department, predators cannot be prosecuted. Therefore, LAW no longer exists in the USSA.
Kudos to the guy who filed this lawsuit, but unfortunately, the predators will simply ignore it, or worse, now they'll simply order unlawful assassinations instead of unlawful arrests and detentions.
Great go Chris Hedges. I've listened to him a lot. He is a hero and has brought the criminals that voted for the NDAA into the limelight before elections. Perfect.
Now to get Cheney and Bush tried in the Hague and so many other things.
All said and done! I would like to buy that Judge a drink!
I suspect some black ops group is already preparing to buy that Judge a drink!
But more likely, she'll be promoted to adjudicating traffic violations somewhere.
The U.S. government will appeal. This will go up the judicial chain of command and before or when it gets to the SCOTUS, the National Defense Authorization Act will become the supreme law of the land.
Just give it time.
That being said, I respect Chris Hedges for standing up and making (a temporary) change. His writing is not bad also.