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US vs Germany: A Comparison In Political Regimes

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Sun, 09/18/2011 - 19:44 | 1683167 X.inf.capt
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and both still suffer from 'zero stroke',

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 19:54 | 1683180 breezer1
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the captain pretty much sums it up...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:17 | 1683609 X.inf.capt
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dont get wrong, germany was beautiful. it is very socialized, something on that level i dont think would work here, too much resistance.

X.capt, i resigned.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 19:57 | 1683189 spiral_eyes
Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:01 | 1683197 Tyler Durden
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Or, if you go to the original source (because the Daily Bail apparently won't): The Cost Of Obama's Stimulus Plan: $312,500 Per Job (Vote) Created Or Saved (And Guess Who Is Paying It)

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:41 | 1683298 WestVillageIdiot
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Compare a family making $250,000 per year in New York City to a family making $250,000 in Duluth, MN or Lincoln, NE.  There is quite a bit of difference.  But for the class-baiting, race-baiting, special interest owned, commander in chief such details are merely inconvenient.  Then again with all that the big city financial and political machines have siphoned off of this country they probably should be made to pay.  Just think how much the bigshots in places like D.C., NYC and Chicago have benefitted from the money printing since 2009.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:44 | 1683306 spiral_eyes
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Touché Tyler. I corrected my post — you were indeed the original source.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:32 | 1683407 duo
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wasn't every GM job saved over $1M?  $300K is a bargain.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:09 | 1683486 Joseph Jones
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Was it really that costly? 

I can just imagine how the bondholders who got screwed out of every penny feel about the auto bailouts.  Many Americans purchased auto industry bonds to save their fellow Americans' jobs.  Then kaboom, Obunghole steals all their money to pay for democratic votes.  "Scum" doesn't do this butt hole justice. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:24 | 1683518 jeff montanye
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either bond holders of insolvent firms get hair cut or they don't.  what the gm bond holders got was fair enough (other characteristics of the deal perhaps not so much).  what isn't fair at all is the treatment the bond holders of the too big to fail banks and shadow bank, etc. got.  they should get the same treatment as the gm ones.  charity is a bad primary motive for financial investment, in most cases.  

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:24 | 1683520 rocker
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That was the difference, bond holders of financial bailouts always get priority from the FED.  They are the leaders of the Bankster Cartel.

But let average Americans become a bond holder trying to save a corporation and the FED says, "Fuck You".

What Americans need to do is tell the FED, "Fuck You" and abolish the FED. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:20 | 1683367 duo
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I worked for a German GmBH for a while.  It was interesting.  The priorities were 1) providing jobs, 2) providing exports for Germany, and 3) provide some return for the shareholders at some point.  The president/CEO made twice what the head engineer made (but got a nicer car lease).  No million-dollar salaries for the executive class. In fact, the board (which of course had an elected union member on it) decided every year to put the profits back in to plant and equipment rather than pay taxes on profits.

Meanwhile, the company I left continued to spend 2 BILLION dollars a year buying back their own stock to give to their executive class, and hadn't built a factory in the US in 20 years (except for the empty building state gave them $300 million to put up).

The Germans will continue to eat our lunch even if their currency doubles, because they don't have a FIRE parasitic class sucking 40% of the wealth.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:45 | 1683436 spiral_eyes
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Amen.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 08:05 | 1683957 moneymutt
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But our FIRE class says all our problems are due to the fact wages are too high, unions are too strong, and regulations are too high. And yet Germany exports like China even tho Germany has high wages, unions galore, strong social safety net, high taxes, and strong environmental and worker regulations.

FIRE sector tellS US working poor and decling middle class to take it, and lower our wages even more, that we should be more third-world-like, to be competitive on world stage; while Germeny tells us there is another way.

Who gets talked about in our media, Germany's success or China's?

Everyone time I bring up the example of Germany to acquaintances they know nothing of their success of their businesses, alongside the success of their working class, alongside the success of their middle class, but they know of Chinese. People have no idea how Germany compares to China in exports.

If something works well for all of these: the success of businesses, the success of the general economy and working folks; why not study and copy it, instead we ignore it. Because, of course, if we paid attention, Wall Street parasites would make less money and have to do real work, build something real for a change.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:15 | 1690152 Rynak
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I think you're over-glorifying germany a bit here. Yes, germany also employed "other means" to become an export-addicted nation (you know, those which now result in the EU-crisis).... still, when the EU was formed, bankers and megacorps immediatelly initiated reforms in germany, which strongly reduced the social safety net, and STRONGLY inflated wages.... the resulting wages may perhaps not be as low as in china, but they are much lower than they were before the creation of the EU (and with "much lower" i do not just mean 10%.... more like .... 50%... yes, you did read that right).

So, even though regarding exports, germany has other things going for it besides of wage-dumping and social-safety net haircutting, it did do exactly those things you assume it doesn't need. Difference is just is, that because of the structure of the EU, it was "successful" with it (successful as in: "it worked on credit for almost 10 years").

What "outsiders" may not understand, is just HOW RICH germany was 15 years ago. The livestandard wasn't just "okay"... it was way beyond what americans may be used to... and via the EU, the german POPULATION went from that state of things, to "a bit better than the US", in a matter of just 6 YEARS! If that happened in the US, you'd immediatelly have civil wars - yet, thanks to the strong "comformist" mentality of the german population, it just resulted in mass-demonstrations, but not outright revolts...... but, that state of the population, did depend on them assuming that there is any point at all to the price they're paying. This justification right now is voided......

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 19:58 | 1683193 antaresteleko
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Great that you mention it on this post. Germans are not willing to play the bankers' game, and their democracy will let  them fight hard against the stablished system.

We'll see.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:34 | 1683279 Ahmeexnal
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Merkel is about to pass a law in Germany declaring Oktoberfest all year round.

The sheeple will cheer and toast, and will prostitute their vote to her as long as their tankards are full with pig's piss.

Expecting Epsilon-minus Semi-Morons to know what democracy is!  You sure are naive.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:43 | 1683302 WestVillageIdiot
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I would love to see a bumper sticker on some VWs in Germany that read, "Our chancellor can beat the crap out of your president".  I bet her johnson is bigger, too.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:48 | 1683311 Let them eat iPads
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Not as big as Hillary's, who in hindsight probably should have been president.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:50 | 1683316 WestVillageIdiot
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The words "Hillary" and "hindsight" probably shouldn't be used in the same sentence.  If I was staring at her hind I think I would be praying that I didn't have any sight. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 21:08 | 1683352 X.inf.capt
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your killin' me, west. LOL

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:29 | 1683530 jeff montanye
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but obama has a really nice ass and he's still a bad president.  i'm not sure about dr. paul's but it may not be relevant.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:54 | 1683577 X.inf.capt
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UH.....

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 08:49 | 1684037 falak pema
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You would be in a bind; a hind to make a hippo weep from envy, a blind date to turn a cuban cigar dream into a foggy bottom nightmare. A boner that was going nowhere in dark despair. You'd need a repair job worse than Thelma and Louise's car after the jump off the ledge.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:43 | 1683701 bid the soldier...
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She should have divorced shitface after the Senate acquitted him.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 05:01 | 1683832 dolly madison
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It would have been no better with Hillary than Obama because they would both be controlled by the same people.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:42 | 1683561 He_Who Carried ...
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Ahmeexnal, your germanophobic views do not go unoticed here and are of no value to readers. Shove it up yours!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:26 | 1683683 Ahmeexnal
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Fascist moron. Learn to comprehend the message of what you read.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:28 | 1684416 He_Who Carried ...
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Your idionsyncratic confusions are quite telling. How about getting a dictionary?

Start with the word "fascist" then proceed to "Leninism", you'll get there, eventually...

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:37 | 1683631 Newsboy
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Ahmeexnal,

It doesn't sound like you have spent much time in Germany.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:19 | 1683678 Ahmeexnal
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Sheeple are sheeple wherever you go. Be it in Germany, or anywhere else. They won't revolt as long as they have their bread & circus, oktoberfest, nascar, soma-holiday....you name it.

And when the sheeple finally see their "benefits" taken, they will blame someone else. Like they have done so many times before.

It doesn't sound like you have spent much time in reality.

Time to get off your soma and face the facts.

 

 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 04:24 | 1683822 antaresteleko
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Ahmeexnal,

you clearly have not lived in Germany. The world is full of sheeple and I very well may be naïve. True. But spending a couple of weeks in Germany (with germans, not as a tourist which is merely interested in topics and taking photographs) will likely broarden your understanding of things.

Societies change after losing 2 world wars, Nazional-Sozialismus, hyper-inflation periods and the holocaust.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 06:20 | 1683861 Rynak
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And when the sheeple finally see their "benefits" taken, they will blame someone else. Like they have done so many times before.

Actually, when that happened in germany (it has already happened - what they want to do to greece, they already did to themselves), the party in power, which ironically called itself socialistic, instantly lost a record amount of votes in its entire party history: Around 40% of their prev voter share. This by the way IS why merkel is in power now - because the second major party commited political suicide.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:33 | 1684445 He_Who Carried ...
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Ahmeexnal, your IQ is 47 or is it 48? It can't be 49!

Ad hominem here... sorry all...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 06:12 | 1683856 Rynak
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You know, even though that would be a bad idea, it would be more efficient than QE. I proposed this myself about a month ago "It would be better if all those trillions were thrown out of the window, by throwing a party in every major city of the country, each day of the year. Would it fix anything? No, but at least it wouldn't escalate the causes even more, which is what QE and Co. does"

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:00 | 1683195 ISEEIT
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Germans remember wheelbarrows. Americans play facebook.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:18 | 1683243 Prairie Fire
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Fantastic comment. Almost poetry.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 23:02 | 1683580 X.inf.capt
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yep,they needed wheelbarrels to carry currency to the bakery for bread, circa 1923.

something america just may find out about.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:37 | 1683287 Jack Napier
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Not all Americans are dumbasses. I have a wheelbarrow, and I used one growing up. I'm not even that old. It's more so that people are afraid to talk about things openly because there is a stigma attached to the truth.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:55 | 1683329 ISEEIT
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Yeah, A "stigma". Like politics are broke. Like your shit isn't going to work. Like you fucking central planning asshats should eat your fucking diploma (sic) intended. And stop trying to rule the world.

You ain't that fucking smart dipstick.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 00:42 | 1683689 Jack Napier
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You've got it all wrong dude. I don't prefer the stigma, that's just how I get treated when I talk about things to people. I'm holding precious metals, AR's, and stockpiled to the brim. I'm a born and raised US citizen, but I'm also a minority in this regard. You should understand the difference between a government and a country. If it were up to me about half of the agencies would be gone tomorrow. Our debt is unsustainable. It's a class war that we're losing, and you're mistaken if you think I'm an elitist pig. In case you hadn't noticed, the Swiss, Japanese, and British are all bloating their monetary supply. If you think this is all the fault of the US then you need to brush up on your history. The Rothschild banking dynasty controlling the TBTF banks, the Federal Reserve, and even the Hong Kong Mercantile Exchange are the root of the problem (notwithstanding human ignorance to them). Nationalism is a dated mentality, we need real patriots around the world to work together and stop bickering amongst ourselves about petty differences if we're going to stand a chance.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 05:04 | 1683833 dolly madison
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The stigma is that they don't want their bubble burst.  They just want to hear that everything will be okay.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:45 | 1683305 WestVillageIdiot
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I don't think you play Facebook.  You play Farmville and Mafia Wars.  Don't bother checking me out on Facebook.  My account is dead.  I got sick of the coffee updates and the estrogen laden posts that seemed to flow like The Hudson on a windy day.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:01 | 1683198 Atomizer
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100 year Treasury Bonds will sure excite this fragile market.

/Sarc

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:03 | 1683202 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Germany = industrious, intelligent populous and as close to a democracy you can get on this god forsaken planet.

U.S.A. = Sloth, dumb populous and a fascist dictatorship.

Am i close?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:07 | 1683214 Bill D. Cat
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"Germany = industrious, intelligent populous and as close to a democracy you can get on this god forsaken planet."

 

Keeping them down always ends well though ............ at least we have that going for us .

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:19 | 1683244 gwar5
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Being dumb and slothful is a full time job for some people but the government will pay pretty well for those skills and can't get enough so all are welcome to move here.

Examples: Obama's illegal alien Aunt and Uncle who have been in country for decades illegally, getting free benefits.

 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:48 | 1683312 WestVillageIdiot
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Being stupid and slothful and fertile is even more sought after by the government.  The pay and benefits are excellent. 

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:19 | 1683245 Raymond Reason
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Well, they either experienced hell, or remember the stories their parents and grandparents told.  Additionally, the CIS and Central European countries may not have the greatest economies per se, but the people are certainly much less gullible than Americans, because of their experiences, no doubt.   

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 20:20 | 1683247 Atomizer
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FunkyMonkeyBoy, can you breakdown his last address message and share your thoughts. Thank You.

January 30th, 1945

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_AgfHDKzGM&feature=related

 

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