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"The Use Of Temps Is Outpacing Outright New Hirings By A 10-To-1 Ratio"

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For many months, if not years, we have been beating the drum on what we believe is the most hushed, but significant story in the metamorphosis of the US labor pool under the New Normal, one which has nothing to with quantity considerations, which can easily be fudged using seasonal and birth death adjustments, and other statistical "smoothing" but with quality of jobs: namely America's transformation to a part-time worker society. Today, one of the very few economists we respect, David Rosenberg, pick up on this theme when he says in his daily letter that "the use of temps is outpacing outright new hirings by a 10-to-1 ratio." And unlike in the old normal, or even as recently as 2011, temp hires are no longer a full-time gateway position: "Moreover, according to a Manpower survey, 30% of temporary staffing this year has led to permanent jobs, down from 45% in 2011.... In today's world, the reliance on temp agencies is akin to "just in time" employment strategies." Everyone's skillset is now a la carte in the form of self-employed mini S-Corps, for reason that Charles Hugh Smith explained perfectly well in "Dear Person Seeking a Job: Why I Can't Hire You." Sadly, that statistic summarizes about everything there is to know about the three years of "recovery" since the recession "ended" some time in 2009.

From Gluskin Sheff

More on that Payroll Report

The more we sift through it, the more we didn't like it. Even with the bump in June hours worked and average weekly earnings, the reality is that the Q2 results for both slowed markedly. The economy has hit stall speed yet again — the third time in the past three years.

On top of that, some other details in the data were disturbing. The ranks of the unemployed rose 29k on top of a 220k surge in May. Those who were unemployed and just completed temporary work soared 218k after a 137k increase in May to stand at the highest level since November 2010 (right when QE2 began!). The total pool of available labour jumped 258k to 19.3 million which means that there is now but one job opening for every six people out there who are either actively or passively looking for work. No wonder wage pressures are fading fast.

There are some pundits who believe that the +25k pickup in temp agency employment is a good sign since in the past this sector acted as a leading indicator for job creation... if only we can bring back those old days. In today's world, the reliance on temp agencies is akin to "just in time" employment strategies — the use of temps is outpacing outright new hirings by a 10-to-1 ratio. The reality is that few businesses want to commit and this shows through in the Household Survey as well with part-time employment in an uptrend and full-time in a downtrend. Moreover, according to a Manpower survey, 30% of temporary staffing this year has led to permanent jobs, down from 45% in 2011.

As this all relates to the upcoming U.S. election, there are some more interesting tidbits to chew on. Looking at the social groupings in the data, we see that since President °barna moved into the White House in January 2009, the unemployment rate for African Americans has climbed to 14.4% from 12.7%, the unemployment rate for Hispanics has risen to 11% from 10%, the unemployment rate for women has risen to 8% from 7%, and the unemployment rate for youth (20 to 24 years old) has jumped from 12.4% to 13.7%. By and large, these were the segments of the popu}ation that helped President Obama win in that historic election in November 2008. The Reaganesque' question that must be posed is: Are these folks better off than they were four years ago?


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Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:06 | 2608176 jonjon831983
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Remember the good ol days of 2010 when increasing temporary workers was a sign of a strengthening economy (as it was an indicator of future hiring intention)?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:27 | 2608221 12ToothAssassin
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I clicked the link to see the thumbnail pic larger. False advertising.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:30 | 2608231 Paul Atreides
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Try here.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:49 | 2608240 ihedgemyhedges
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Plenty of guys on here have a job she can do, surely....................I mean, I can think of two jobs right off the top of my head....................

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:06 | 2608477 tom a taxpayer
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Yes, my dear, I see you are suffering from the chill. In this office my management philosophy is "Teamwork can solve any problem". How about I clamp my hot mouth over your cold nipple, and we work as a team to achieve entropy.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:18 | 2608515 AldousHuxley
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In Japan 40% of recent jobs are temp jobs even if you have been working there 10 years.


but what isn't temporary these days?

temp marriage (who is married for life?)

temp homes (who lives in the same home 30 years?)

temp friends (who still has home town friends they grew up with?)

temp careers (who still works at one company more than 5 years?)

temp citizenship (see Eduardo Saverin changing citizenship twice,  Jim Rogers immigrated twice)



"single serving" - Fight Club



Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:20 | 2608684 Arnold Ziffel
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Americans move on the average every  5 years.

Odd someone would sign a 30 year mortgage given that stat esp in a falling market.

Americans are uber-mobile and only getting mobiler. (I made that word up)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:11 | 2608805 potlatch
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but that can be attributed to typical US citizenism:  success = being uprooted for money$$ haha american citizenism

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:35 | 2608841 The Gooch
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As in Alabama?


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:25 | 2608942 The Big Ching-aso
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Temp or not I bet she's an accomplished head secretary.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:34 | 2608242 Beam Me Up Scotty
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I'd hire her....not even temporarily.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:43 | 2608271 SHEEPFUKKER

I might even work for her. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:54 | 2608288 Animal Cracker
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I will provide benefits.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:45 | 2608424 TrainWreck1
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I want her for her mind.


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:54 | 2608620 ihedgemyhedges
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Mind, as in singular?  Because they both look fine to me............

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:13 | 2608807 potlatch
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I will hire her, make her my boss, fire myself, and then beg on my knees for an entry level position with her

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:47 | 2608860 SilverIsKing
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Entry level? Would that be rear entry level?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:27 | 2608950 The Big Ching-aso
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I see 2 big OSHA eye-safety violations right off the bat here.


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:05 | 2609389 Metalredneck
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Proper eyewear recommended.  I suggest champagne glasses.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:55 | 2608290 seek
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I had a Ukrainian scammer send this pic to one of my online dating profiles, which blew their cover immediately. A man can dream, though.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:56 | 2608627 ihedgemyhedges
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I hope you don't use that avatar in your dating profile...........because all you will get will be pics like hers.......

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:13 | 2608496 old naughty
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Always treat the Temps with highest respects.


"A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders." (eh, °barna )

                   Ronald kessler

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:37 | 2608843 The Gooch
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All of your air-conditioned nipples are belong to us.


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:31 | 2609452 ZeroAvatar
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THANK YOU so much for the link, Quisat Hadirat!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:12 | 2608334 Buck Johnson
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Loved the pic, funny as hell.  Also this is the new norm for american workers.  Temporary workers will be rage and when a company needs to get rid of employees they let go the temps and thats it.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:56 | 2608452 sethstorm
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That's until the employer has to give the choice to be a temp and can't do anything to sour the non-temp choice.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:06 | 2608479 philipat
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"I clicked the link to see the thumbnail pic larger. False advertising."

They look real to me?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:23 | 2608530 ACP
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Must be the new admin at the pearl necklace factory.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:08 | 2608182 Lost Wages
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I think I am blacklisted at every temp agency in town.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:12 | 2608191 Bobbyrib
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When I was temping, I was blacklisted from almost all of them too. If you turn down work, it tends to piss them off.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:40 | 2608259 AssFire
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I know a guy who owns a Link Staffing agency here in Texas. I visited him at his office- ONCE.

(DMV like)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:08 | 2608188 Bobbyrib
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I agree it will be the new normal. The labor market in this country will be shit in this country for decades.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:17 | 2608511 Bobbyrib
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Who downvoted you for an opinion that the labor market may not improve for years? Did someone from CNBC register for the site?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:27 | 2608378 sethstorm
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Only as long as we are unwilling to make it impossible to pull these kind of stunts.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:51 | 2609519 Raging Debate
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The new normal for a decade anyways, until a large chunk of the Boomers retire and some trade rebalancing with China. Then there will be shortages and wages will finally rise. The articles here on ZH on small business becoming one-man bands rings true also. A decade of stagnation is a long time. Disrupts family formation for a generation.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:09 | 2608189 zero19451945
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Labor got turned into a commodity like everything else.

For each American job there are 1000 people overseas that will do it for 1/10 the cost. Add in the fact that most Americans are cubicle jockeys that can be easily replaced and you've got a real problem.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:15 | 2608199 Bobbyrib
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"Labor got turned into a commodity like everything else."

We're going back to the nineteenth century all over again.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:51 | 2608281 tmosley
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The 19th century was a transition state.  The 19th century isn't your destination.  Were that it was.  No, we are headed for feudalism.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:06 | 2608651 HardAssets
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Yep, the 19th century was a wonder in comparison

Better to think in term of Europe around the year 1000.

Though it extended several centuries before and after that date.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:37 | 2608252 Trimmed Hedge
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"For each American job there are 1000 people overseas that will do it for 1/10 the cost."


...and at 1/10th the quality....

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:32 | 2608389 AmCockerSpaniel
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One rarely gets more than what they pay for, but we all know that.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 05:59 | 2609182 Freewheelin Franklin
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Yes, Marx referred to "goods and services" as "commodities". To Marx, a toothbrush was a "commodity".


The fact is, labor is a "service" which can be bought, sold, or traded.


For each American job there are 1000 people overseas that will do it for 1/10 the cost.


That's called "comparative advantage". 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:15 | 2608200 schadenfreude
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Hope and change FTW

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:18 | 2608208 orangegeek
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The entire private sector and some public sector find it less expensive to pay a contractor/temp that to pay a full time employee plus payroll deductions.


Everyone is getting frugal.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 06:27 | 2609199 Bob Sacamano
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Obamacare will make it much worse.  Lots of temp workers and lots of 25 hour per week workers (the new "full time"). 

Mandating benefits and barriers to firing is so European.  You asked for it US. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:22 | 2608212 The Gooch
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All of your manpower are belong to us.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:27 | 2608213 random shots
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The bubble economy (overconsumption/housing) led to workers who were overpaid/overemployed for too long. Labor was turned into a commodity because the skill sets between the unemployed drones are little changed. Not saying it is fair...just the way it is. You figure if you can't get paid what you want you better develop the skills that are in demand. Work smarter and harder.  

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:58 | 2608299 James_Cole
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You figure if you can't get paid what you want you better develop the skills that are in demand. Work smarter and harder.

You are generally right and this is a nice sentiment in theory, but in practice I'd like to hear suggestions of what these skills are. 

As was posted on this site not so long ago, Citi's global risk management group was replaced by IBM's new supercomputer. Not exactly lightweight skills. 

If you plan on developing any level of advanced skill you're talking a 5-10yr education (not necessarily at a school) - what advanced skill-level jobs 5-10yrs from now won't have been made mostly redundant by development of sophisticated computers and software?

From navigation to language computers / software are getting to the point where increasingly little human involvement is necessary. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:25 | 2608374 random shots
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Too be honest it is the staple skills that most people lack. Effective communication, interpersonal skills, and how to balance a checkbook.  We recently interviewed college students from my alma mater (Calif. State University) and I could not believe how unprepared these kids were. They were unable to articulate why they were applying for the job, why they would make a good fit, and what they brought to the table.  These were all business college students expected to graduate in one year....

Also, the woes of small business owners is to a large part self inflicted.  I work in small business lending and I am always surprised to see how piss poor so many smal businesses are  operated. The owners who got paid during the last economic cycle spent most of it (not reinvestment in the company but consumption).  The balance sheets of small business owners are appaling...can't invest in new projects because they do not have the funds which means no new workers. 


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:34 | 2608710 HardAssets
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Check out the work of John Taylor Gatto regarding education. He was designated NY state and NYC teacher of the year, several times. Its not an accident that American public education is terrible. It was designed to be so over a hundred years ago. Its not designed to create independent citizens with critical thinking skills. - - I have a nephew and niece that are in high school. The school is rated one of the best public highschools in the state. They are 'good students' getting good grades. I was apalled at their lack of curiosity and how they have been taught to just memorize what is needed for the state tests. They arent taught how to think. They spend a great deal of time texting friends on their phones. Their writing skills are very poor. I have spoken with recent college graduates and they also showed this lack of a basic sound education. - They lacked critical thinking skills and the ability to logically question what theyve been told (indoctrination).

As for poorly run small businesses, I'm sure there are lots of them. - - - There are also plenty of poorly run big corporate businesses too. One of the main differences, is that the big businesses are often connected and able to grab taxpayer money in bailouts and all sorts of contracts and other arrangements. A corporate CEO can have little personal equity stake in his company, run it into the ground, and get a multi-million dollar year end bonus - - provided by taxpayers.

Well, I guess thievery is a 'skill set' nowadays.

If you happen to work for a big national bank that took bail-out money - - - that's nothing but hypocrisy. If you work for a small local lender such as a sound credit union or small bank - - youre not part of the problem.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:56 | 2608769 Amish Hacker
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Critical thinking skills, the ones that have been outlawed in Texas?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 12:11 | 2610040 HardAssets
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Thanks for the article post.

I'd have to look at the specifics of the Texas 'higher skills training' to make a judgement on it. Is it true teaching of critical thinking skills (grammar/evidence, logic, rhetoric), or just indoctrination?

After studying the history of public education in America (its based on the Prussian education method) I am highly suspicious that real thnking skills would be taught in public schools. And I am skeptical that they would allow students to apply those skills to such topics as the nature of public schooling, 'global warming', 'political correctness', etc.

P.S. - - those interested in critical thinking skills might do a search on the 'Trivium'. These are about skills beyond those that are only specalized, vocational - - and thus limited. They are the skills needed for an informed citizenry. Questions to ponder: Why did so many of the Founders accomplish so much with so little formal schooling ? Why was the literacy rate so high in America at the time of the Revolution without mandatory public schooling ? Why are the most popular books and writings read by common people at that time extremely difficult for college students and graduates to grasp today ?

"If you expect a nation to be ignorant and free, you expect what never was and can never be." - - - Thomas Jefferson

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:33 | 2608716 James_Cole
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We recently interviewed college students from my alma mater (Calif. State University) and I could not believe how unprepared these kids were. They were unable to articulate why they were applying for the job, why they would make a good fit, and what they brought to the table.  

We see the same thing, not sure what it is. Partly people say entitlement, but I don't know if it's that simple. 

I just don't see what the jobs for average people of the next decade are - other than my friends who are MSc and Phd - any sort of job security for people within the labourforce earning decent incomes seems vague. 

Most people can pretty easily be replaced by computers and even those necessary workers a computer and a smart operator can replace what had once been a whole team, that's not a trend which is going to reverse. And even in that scenario, cheaper to hire overseas (though very mixed results). 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:58 | 2609543 GeezerGeek
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A few thoughts on the comment by James_Cole and several others under it:

James_Cole wrote "...computers / software are getting to the point where increasingly little human involvement is necessary. " Just this morning I stumbled across this article about algorithms writing news articles.

random shots, talking about job interviews, mentioned that "They were unable to articulate why they were applying for the job," This is not exactly new. Ted Kennedy tried to oppose Jimmy Carter leading up to the 1980 Democratic nominating convention. He was doing well until interviewed on TV, where he was totally unable to articulate anything about why he wanted to be president.

HardAssets, writing about modern education, chimed in with this thought: "They lacked critical thinking skills and the ability to logically question what they've been told (indoctrination)." Anyone who's sentient has noticed the degradation of public education over the last few decades, not just in the basic skills but also in areas such as civics. ZH very recently had an article about the cultural shift wrought by education in recent times, away from Constitutionalism and individualism and toward collectivism. If students were taught to think critically and ask logical questions the collectivist impulse would crumble.

Everything is going according to plan.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 12:17 | 2610077 HardAssets
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Good points.

You also caught my attention with your comment about civics. I was actuallly a kid at a time when Arizona required all kids moving on to Jr High (8th grade) pass a test on US civics & US and Arizona state history before doing so. I don't know if they have those same requirements today, (but somehow I highly doubt it).

With the transformation of US education begining in the early 1900s, civics and real US history were slowly taken out of the schools & universities. This was done on purpose, in order to undermine the teaching of America's founding principles. (This was stated in actual 'non profit' foundation documents pushing this agenda. Yes,  strange, . . . but true.) Instead there is 'social studies' which often is nothing more than veiled 'socialist studies'. Indoctination & no critical thinking allowed.

If you get the chance to read John Taylor Gatto's "Underground History of American Education" it will forever transform your views. Its available to read free online:

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:25 | 2608375 sethstorm
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Or how about having companies return to sanity by hiring for attitude and training for these skillsets - instead of complaining about not having the right people and doing nothing else?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:19 | 2608523 Bobbyrib
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If the government weren't interfering with the economy, everything would be allowed to adjust to its proper prices (deflation).

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:29 | 2608223 Lucky Guesst
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Wonder how many people have to work as temps to support 1 government worker?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:34 | 2608396 mjk0259
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If you can't approximate that, you will be finding out more about temp working soon.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:34 | 2608228 AssFire
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Well, the new rule is:

Get under 50 employees or the goobermint thugs visit you for their healthcare tax ah, I mean penalty ahh, I mean- fuck it: illegal money extortion.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:24 | 2608370 sethstorm
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What happens if the US Government applies structuring law to all regulations that specify a numerical minimum or maximum?  At that point, it's game over for technically compliant avoidance, as it effectively ends the "49 employee syndrome".


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:33 | 2608391 GCT
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Actually it will mean the company will hire nothing but temps.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:54 | 2608448 sethstorm
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No, it means that the employer has to give the choice to be temporary or not.  The amount of temps would be a function of the people that would take temporary work even if offered more conventional work.


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:27 | 2608984 phyuckyiu
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"No, it means that the employer has to give the choice to be temporary or not."

What the hell are you trying to say, either the company hires you directly or they hire you through a temp agency. If you can prove to any potential employers that you have your own Unemployment insurance, your own Workmans Comp insurance, your own Liability insurance, your own Medical insurance, and are paying your quarterly estimated tax, THEN you can pretend to be like a temp agency hire without actually being one. Until then, get a clue, the democratic brainwashing has lowered your understanding of how the world works.

"The amount of temps would be a function of the people that would take temporary work even if offered more conventional work."

I don't think you understand, the employer isn't offering conventional work, they don't want to pay for the insurances and extra accounting involved. Perhaps if more members of the Free Shit Army that you belong to tried to own a business, you would understand things better. But instead you'll try to get a law passed that will achieve the exact opposite of forcing them to hire you. Perhaps you can try Mark Leno, he seems to be on a roll lately with trying to widen the net of potential suckers responsible for child support beyond the two parents.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 18:47 | 2611315 sethstorm
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What the hell are you trying to say, either the company hires you directly or they hire you through a temp agency. If you can prove to any potential employers that you have your own Unemployment insurance, your own Workmans Comp insurance, your own Liability insurance, your own Medical insurance, and are paying your quarterly estimated tax, THEN you can pretend to be like a temp agency hire without actually being one. Until then, get a clue, the democratic brainwashing has lowered your understanding of how the world works.

The problem is that temporary work has too many incentives for employers and staffing agencies to make it a feudal arrangement. 

Pardon if my work experience has been with places large enough to more stable than smaller businesses that resemble Chernobyl or Fukushima.  Places that actually trusted their workers by hiring them directly and didnt have the backstabbing that comes with excessive temporary work. 


I don't think you understand, the employer isn't offering conventional work, they don't want to pay for the insurances and extra accounting involved. Perhaps if more members of the Free Shit Army that you belong to tried to own a business, you would understand things better. But instead you'll try to get a law passed that will achieve the exact opposite of forcing them to hire you.

You make the same argument that labor unions make.  I am proposing a law that would increase employment by disarming the proverbial "bad apples" that are empowered by bad incentives. In addition, more temporary work disincentivizes the performance of work by its "you don't give a shit, why should I?" attitude - with Europe as a very big case of it. 

Ideally, I'd like to kill the entirety of temporary labor with fire and then nuke it repeatedly from orbit with legislation.  However, unlike you, I recognize that some people are happy in a non-permanent arrangement - while many others have a specialty of doing well as permanent, directly-hired, and FTE employees that can plan the long term.  Too many bad incentives exist with too many players using them. 

If they had to offer the FTE by default, couldn't obligate someone to take the less stable/secure job, couldn't tilt the skill requirements upwards, and couldn't otherwise structure their way around regulation, it would not result it less jobs or businesses.  It would just clean out those that have faulty business models of temp-employee-feudalism. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:37 | 2608254 Canaduh
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Row well and live.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:45 | 2608423 dark_matter
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Hate keeps a man alive.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:39 | 2608256 Caviar Emptor
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From "The ownership Society" to "The Part-Time Worker Society" in just 5 years. What a transformation! What leadership we've got!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:39 | 2608727 HardAssets
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It sucks . . . and has been going on for a long time.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:40 | 2608260 Caviar Emptor
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Everywhere I hear crazy ratios like 250:1 for job applicants per available position.

Sometimes much, much more

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:24 | 2608372 mjk0259
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I heard 300 in the first HOUR for any job posted on Internet at a regular company (from my kid's college placement people). You can see how many applied at some job sites (just from that site) and what level of education they claim to have. Way more than 250 for anything paying $10/hour.


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:50 | 2608419 madmax1965
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If they are applying for cubicle jobs possibly.  I recently tried to hire experienced electricians and had a hell of a time finding anyone!  We actually hired a few that then never showed up.  So maybe instead of going to college for liberal arts, kids(and adults) should start looking at a trade, not glamorous for sure, but it puts food on the table. 

Oh, and I pay them alot more than $10.00 per hour. 

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 07:59 | 2609373 earnulf
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Even inexperienced folk don't have the work skills to succeed.    They think that 90% attendance is "real good" and missing 1 day a week for the first three weeks is "okay".     There is no work ethic anymore and a majority of people in temp work can't hack steady employment.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:11 | 2609405 Metalredneck
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Same here; real tradesmen are in short supply.  Truck drivers, however, are beating down my door.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 19:41 | 2608261 lizzy36
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Well if one can't get a temp job, perhaps they could start offering cuddles for $60 an hour.

On her site, The Snuggery, Samuel showcases herself as an advocate for the healing power of touch. With photos that show her in cozy, curled up poses dressed in pajamas, Samuel states that Americans are deprived of non-sexual touch and that's why she is here to help. 

She also offers a 45-minute session for $50, and 90 minutes of cuddling for $90. While she has gotten some inquiries from snuggle-seekers looking for a little extra affection, Samuel said the majority of her clients (all men, though she is willing to cuddle with women, too) respect her boundaries and are just looking to get cozy.

For all of you who looked at the picture and just want to NOW have the option.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 09:05 | 2609558 GeezerGeek
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There is one "temp" job that's been around for thousands of years. This appears to be a minor variation.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:00 | 2608269 Village Idiot
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I could have told you what was coming... Do you know why so few African Americans, or Hispanics were on the "Starship Enterprise?" They don't work in the future, either. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:03 | 2608315 AssFire
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Holy Bejeebus! Dat' be rayciss!!

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 09:08 | 2609563 GeezerGeek
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In fact, on the original Star Trek the black population was over-represented on the bridge of the Enterprise. (I use black because back then there was no such appelation as African-American.)

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:01 | 2608308 Mutatto
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Nice bagel slicer!  I have one just like it.


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:11 | 2608330 israhole
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Great pic of a Shiksa.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:14 | 2608339 Zgangsta
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Channel stuffing unwanted cars to create just-in-time temp jobs to keep people fed just enough to work, yet starved just enough to make 'em too weak to think for themselves.

What a wonderfully efficient world!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:16 | 2608346 Totentänzerlied
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This has happened to every other economically ascendent nation in history. Nothing new under the sun.

Please won't this whole cancerous edifice die so the self-righteous hand-wringing and weeping and gnashing of teeth can finally end.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:51 | 2608446 sethstorm
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All it takes to kill the cancerous edifice of temporary labor is to keep it from being a condition of work.


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:52 | 2608991 phyuckyiu
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All it takes is for you to prove you have Unemployment insurance, Workmans Comp insurance, Liability insurance, Medical insurance, and paying quarterly estimated tax, and THEN you can compete with the temp agency. Ring Ring, it's the clue phone! DemFail.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 18:55 | 2611336 sethstorm
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I answered the clue phone ages ago.  The caller wonders why you've yet to pick up yours.

Pardon if I want to have some legislative barrier between the US and the European work model - fucktons of temp workers that don't give a damn because the employers feel like they're entitled to act like tone-deaf royalty.


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:17 | 2608352 q99x2
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'The third time in the past three years.'

I once took a car to California from NY that the starter broke just after leaving. All I had to do was to park on a hill and slightly push start it each day on my way across the country.

QE3 that sucker.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:20 | 2608355 sethstorm
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Time to start treating temporary labor like a employer-side labor union and apply Right to Work laws on it.  You would still be free to choose to be disposable or indirectly employed, but you would not be required to be disposable/indirectly employed as a condition of accepting/performing work.  It takes away the ability for the employer and staffing agency to require you to be a temporary worker.

Why should the employers get to have the same racket that they tore down on the employee side?  It's no different than a labor union except that the employer has someone else organize you for their benefit - down to the same corrupt and tone-deafness that is ascribed to labor unions today.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:24 | 2608371 ffart
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This is a stupid idea that will guarantee even higher unemployment for the rest of us non unionized second class employes.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:34 | 2608393 sethstorm
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How?  Temporary labor is just like being part of a labor union, except that it works against you instead of for you.  What's wrong with the ability to be free from being required to join an employer's union(the temporary work agency) as a condition of work?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:26 | 2608533 Bobbyrib
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So basically get rid of Temp Agencies? I don't know if you have ever had the "pleasure" of temping, but you don't seem to understand what a temp agency does. You can't use the temp agency to find employment then cut them out of the agreement. I was hired by a firm while temping and they had to pay the temp agency (who found me) to be able to hire me.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:05 | 2608898 sethstorm
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No - I'm only giving various forms of temporary work the same deal that unions get in some states - temporary or indirect employment may not be a condition of accepting work.

That means staffing agencies don't get a captive market, employers can't use them to screw around with employees, and both have to make a competitive case for temporary work over full-time work.

If temporary work dies because of this, it will do so for the same reason that unions have declined - where people have made the conscious choice to reject it.


As for your case, the temporary agency wouldn't be a part of the picture unless the worker chose to be a temporary worker.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:56 | 2609001 phyuckyiu
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So you'd like to fight the entire Chamber of Commerce, and make staffing permanent, no more temps or part time. Good luck with that. Sounds like France or Italy.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:05 | 2611357 sethstorm
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Ideally, but you forgot about the American Staffing Association.  I'd not mind seeing a lot of Little Icaruses from both learn about what happens to people who think they're $DEITY.

However, the realistic solution would to make it a choice and not an obligation to be a temporary worker as a condition of work.  Apparently you think that RTW might be a good idea, just that it shouldn't ever apply to employers and their unions.


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:20 | 2608360 mjk0259
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30 years ago if you worked at a large corporation like I did , you were normally a full time employee. Then they contracted out the mailroom, supplies, etc to a different company that only hired at minimum wage - still full time job but no possiblity of promotion. Likewise the cleaning, the food. By then half the employees were H1B or low paid consultants. Now they pretty much only hire in Russia, India or Brazil. A few salespeople in US.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:31 | 2608386 sethstorm
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Then time to kill all the guest worker programs with extreme prejudice - for the incentive to replace has since departed very far from the intent of supplemental labor.  Either your path is to become a citizen or you can't work in the US.

Then do whatever it is to disincentivize temporary labor as a cost dodge.  Retain it only for people that would choose it if they had the luxury of choosing.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:30 | 2608552 Bobbyrib
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Just suspend the program until if/when there is no longer sufficient skills within the country (basically indefinitely). Right now, it's bullshit to continue the programs. There are Americans who can do the work that are currently be given to H1B's.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:59 | 2609003 phyuckyiu
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Your nationalism has no place in the NWO. You will need a re-indoctrination.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:05 | 2609386 earnulf
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You forget the corollary of this argument.  Once you have only Americans working, at good wages, the company goes bankrupt because they can't sell their product/service at a competitive price with imports.   Customers want a $1 product, not one that costs $5.     They can produce paper cone cups in Argentina, put them on a boat and ship them to the wholesaler in the US and retail them for less than the same cup can be made and sold in the US.

Houston, we do have a problem.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 16:16 | 2610969 Umh
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Are you suggesting that we send all the roof shinglers home?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:06 | 2611358 sethstorm
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Sure, and make sure that they can't repeat.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:40 | 2608413 Tsar Pointless
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Every job for which I have interviewed this year has been of the temporary variety. And practically every job for which I have applied has been a temporary position.

That's one healthy looking job market you got there, Ferd!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:50 | 2608442 sethstorm
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The more temporary labor exists, the worse off things are - along with a greater need to make it non-compulsory.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:02 | 2609006 phyuckyiu
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Yeah no temps, that's working out great for France and Italy. Oh and btw, the NWO stooge in Italy just dismantled your permanent hire system there. It ain't coming back.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:20 | 2611393 sethstorm
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Except that France and Italy are chock full of staffing agencies.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:56 | 2608451 Henry Hub
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I'm an American so kiss my ass!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 20:56 | 2608453 egoist
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A temp here is preferable to only picking up heads in low-cost countries. And that is a trend that I see.

A temp escapes a lot of company "process".

A temp is constrained to 40hrs.

A temp, I presume, is more of an ass-kicker than an iPhone yacker.

A temp has fewer strings to strangle him. He can bolt more easily if something better pops up.


I don't yearn to be a temp, but it's not all bad, right?

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:11 | 2608488 sethstorm
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Except that the incentives line up to make the temporary worker a vassal to two lords that stand in opposition to you.  In short, they're passing all the uncertainty to you - the last place uncertainty can end up.

Company process is twice over - being constrained by the rules of being a contractor and being a second-class citizen.

That disconnect works against you more than it could possibly work for you as the rule.

A temporary worker is likely to become a back-stabber instead of an ass-kicker or a yacker.

A temp has more strings to strangle him - the ruleset of being a second-class contractor, the staffing agency that can be used to blacklist you if the company feels particularly angry at you, and the uncertainty of whether the contract is renewed.


There is no freedom in temporary work, only slavery.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:06 | 2609013 phyuckyiu
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There is only 50% unemployment of the 35 and under set when temp labor is abolished. Just ask Italy, Spain or France. Small price to pay for your great idea, right?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:34 | 2611427 sethstorm
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Except that they haven't abolished temporary labor there - it's run rampant over Europe if you've not noticed - where staffing agencies like ATOS and the European divisions of Manpower exist and thrive.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:11 | 2608490 batterycharged
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I laugh at the "the reason this is happening is because Obama and high taxes and we don't suck businesses off enough".

The reason isn't because businesses are struggling, they hire temp workers....BECAUSE THEY CAN!

The labor market is making it easy for businesses to get talented people on the cheap. And not only cheap, but as contractors and temp workers. With no benefits, health care and even no UE benefits!

It's not that we need to coddle businesses, fuck that.

The insanity of playing the fiddle for businesses is maddening. It's like saying the reason Walmart and Apple are in China is because they're taxed too much.....THEY WOULD BE THERE IF THEY PAID NO TAXES.  And GE is!!

You can blame Obama, but it's bullshit. There should be a graph of MEDIAN American incomes colliding with global poverty wages. Because that's what's happening....get ready to work for $200/month, 80 hours per week. It's just a matter of time....

And when it comes you can feel really bad for the businesses that have to pay you live on subsidized corporate housing.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:13 | 2608499 sethstorm
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Then the laws need to adjust to limit the practice but not the amount of jobs offered.

Employers are not entitled to lord over workers.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:10 | 2609018 phyuckyiu
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"Then the laws need to adjust to limit the practice but not the amount of jobs offered."

So we're going to make a law that forces business' to hire others, whether they want to or not? You must hold the USSR up on a pedestal then.

Gotta love the DemFail paradigm of 'let's just make a law and that'll fix it.'

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 10:37 | 2609822 SmoothCoolSmoke
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And people wonder where all the labor unions came from back the 18 and 1900s.  Business greed CREATED THEM. 

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:14 | 2608503 walcott
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nice office.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:16 | 2608513 BigInJapan
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That's some more Japanification, fo' yo' ass!

Wait until companies stop hiring men, because women are cheaper.

If you want to see your future, you need look nowhere else but to Japan (ex-Tokyo).

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:20 | 2608686 Shizzmoney
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Men will be hired less b/c

a) Women are cheaper

b) Women tend to follow orders and not give back shit.  Actually, despite not alot of woman on the head of boardrooms, they are all over middle managment.  Almost like the "Den mothers" of the working class.


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 00:04 | 2608899 icanhasbailout
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LOL women are not cheaper, they are a fucking minefield of EEOC lawsuits and special privileges and one-way exploitation of sexual power.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:18 | 2608517 jomama
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i came for the meme, stayed for the article.  

btw, she'll probably get offered a permanent position.  pun intended.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:18 | 2608520 Gromit
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There is a cutoff point (25?) employees after which the employer must provide healt care I think in the Affordable Health Care Act.

Probably a serious disincentive to excedd that number for struggling small business.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:27 | 2608539 sethstorm
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50, and there needs to be a provision that discourages any technically compliant avoidance.  Applying structuing laws from banking to HR and suddenly it won't matter how well you divvy up people, you'll end up w/ the same problems as a 50+ employee company.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:44 | 2608601 Gromit
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Thanks for the correction - OK so maybe go offshore if the taxes are too burdensome.

I can't make up my mind if your comments are tongue in cheek (in which case well done!) or if you are serious.

Because at some point - already reached for many - the more you legislate to protect employees the less willing employers are to employ.


Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:53 | 2608875 sethstorm
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I'd rather not see extreme measures used, just that I see that employers use temporary workers as a way to feel insulated from the consequences of the world.

Take that for what you will.



Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:14 | 2609024 phyuckyiu
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Seth doesn't like your idea of taking your business to a better country with a better business climate. He is working with Mark Leno presently on a law that will prevent you from doing that (unless your are fortune 500 in which case you get an exemption of course).

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:50 | 2611466 sethstorm
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Destroying the country doesn't make it prosperous.  That, and when you mean "better business climate", that's simply code for having a more pliant workforce and a more corruptible government.

In addition, I'm not sure who this Mark Leno is other than him being a California Senator.



Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:13 | 2609021 phyuckyiu
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Sadly he is DemFuckingSerious.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 10:32 | 2609810 SmoothCoolSmoke
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If every small business under 50 had demand needing them to ramp up to 49 people, unemployment would be 1%.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:48 | 2608591 earleflorida
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funny how some things never change? well, maybe there's alittle delta, but certainly, with a twist of time?

southern plantation owners not so long ago bought their manpower outright as personal property. they housed, fed, clothed, and provided minimal medical care to insure their investments remained a productive entity. nice humanist were they?

fast forward,... slowly, very slowly

 today, the u.s. government is now the caretakers of the corporate workforce, which shamelessly is labeled 'temporary' [an entity without a fucking name,... how quaint!]. the corporate world,... has morphed into yesteryears' plantation owners, all the while transferring responsibility to big brother ie., USSA. indeed, the affordable care act, food [credit card for a variety of goods?] stamps, public housing, and with a small stipend to purchase clothing, with enough leftover to pay for their public transportation [now owned by private enterprises?], and not to forget taxes.

so here we are today,... slaves to our governments and to the corporate world - bound by freedom?

a marriage made in hell,... but a marriage of convenience none the less???

god bless amerika

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:07 | 2609015 prole
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Wow I learned today that slavery only existed in Southern States! See ZH has a lot of educational value. TKS Earle!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 21:59 | 2608626 Oldrepublic
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This from Press TV (iran)

There will never be enough jobs in America again

my advice for Americans seeking work:

learn one of the languages of the BRIC's then go there!

PS: Burma is one of the new frontier markets!

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:07 | 2608655 Gromit
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I'd suggest South America. They went through this stuff in the 50s

Reread a favorite book today, “Forgotten Continent” by Michael Reid (Americas editor of The Economist.)

From page 169….


“Even Uruguay’s democracy, one of the most robust in the region, succumbed. It had been built on an unusual combination of rural latifundia and urban socialism. The harmonious process in which farm exports paid for a paternalist state and a large public sector broke down.  On the one hand, the world market for wool collapsed in the 1950s: on the other hand, public employment had become a tool for rewarding party loyalty and grew inexorably, with no corresponding increase in the output of public services.”

……….”Compromise gave way to polarization. Ranchers sought to curtail the public sector, whose workers and pensioners resisted. The Tupamaros……..”


Very good stuff!  If Uruguay can solve this sort of problem maybe we can too!


But until we do go south young man.


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 21:02 | 2611638 sethstorm
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The only work that a US citizen should ever do in a Third World country is colonization and conversion to another US state.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:04 | 2608648 economicmorphine
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Let's see...  Gotta get the world population down to about 2 billion.  1 billion would be better, but it's so insensitive and so bloody obvious.  Asia's gonna bear the brunt.  Africa, too.  Latin America, yeah, we'll see.  Disease ought to do most of the trick.  United States has to shrink. War.  Yeah, those people are so stupid they'll march into battle anywhere.  All we have to do is give some brown person some firecrackers.  That won't be tough.  Good thing too, since they're all vaccinated against just about everything.  Europe and Canada, ha, we don't have to do a bloody thing.  They don't even try any more.  Yeah, I think we can pull this off.  Full employment.  Plenty of food, water.  Yeah, this could work.  Betty, when's the next Bildeburg meeting?

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:17 | 2609030 phyuckyiu
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LULZ love the downvotes you got, badge of honor.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 08:12 | 2609408 MeelionDollerBogus
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2 billion is too low for health needs - gene pool not diversified enough. 4 to 5 billion is more like it.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 10:28 | 2609794 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Why do you think they still have the smallpox virus around?  Probabaly working on a upgraded version of the plague too.  

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 22:26 | 2611773 MeelionDollerBogus
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Believe it or not some people are still walking around with a vaccination for that.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 22:35 | 2608721 Bansters-in-my-...
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Where did the blonde with the headlights go...???

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:03 | 2608786 monad
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Next year Obeyme is going to get laid off, and be replaced by an even bigger tool.

What goes around comes around.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 23:14 | 2608810 potlatch
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90's -  just-in-time inventory

10's - just-in-time work force. 



this is not going to end well.....

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:11 | 2609017 reader2010
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Clinton used to love interns but now he does the temps instead.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 01:38 | 2609052 MSimon
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I had a 40 year career as a temp. Made very good money at it and worked my way up from bench technician to aerospace engineer. I don't see why people complain. At will employment used to be the norm.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 04:02 | 2609145 AnAnonymous
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The current year is 2012. Fourty years career. Makes 1972.

Space program pulling steam in the 1960s, with a lack of associated cursus to support the activity, hence a lack of specifically trained workers, US citizens walking on moon in 1969, calling for more money to be pumped in the space conquest US citizen fantasical program...

And you call for your own life experience as a template?

US citizenism at work.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:52 | 2611467 sethstorm
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Defense contractors don't count as they're even more secure than regular FTE employment - but limited to a subset of "clearable" citizens.


Thu, 07/12/2012 - 03:58 | 2609141 AnAnonymous
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Plastic surgery... That is a nice job to choose in a US citizen society.

You wont be on a temp job. Considered the US citizen obsession with appearance and fakeness.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 06:05 | 2609185 Freewheelin Franklin
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Lysander Spooner said, the only way for a worker to keep the full product of his labor, is for that worker to be self-employed, or freelancer. But the fact is, most people do not have what it takes to be self-employed. You need to be "self-motivated", which most people are not. Unfortunately, most workers choose to be wage/slave laborers, and then complain that they are not making any money. My Grandfather told me a long time ago, you'll never make any money working for someone else.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 19:57 | 2611483 sethstorm
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However, that is the most unstable thing short of a failed Japanese nuclear reactor.  You have no long term planning ability, no security to handle savings, and you're beholden to someone who is largely protected against you versus the two-way protection of an employee. 

What you do not account for is that many people have specialties that work best as a part of a larger whole.  Your kind make it worse off for those people by removing the freedom to choose - unless the business gets to choose and define the happiness/freedom of a worker.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 13:19 | 2624833 potlatch
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I am a perfect example.  I have a complete set of socket wrenches, metric and the King's Standard.  And I've been pro with them for 40 years.  But, periodically you run across a nut that won't fit a socket wrench, or, my own bete noir, hex screws.


But fortunately, the department of transportation I work for (South Dakota) has an entire crew for hex screws.  So If I'm out at a job, and run across a hex screw, I phone in to St. Pierre, and they send a truck out.  Most jobs are within an hour, so it's usually no big deal, unless there is a backlog but that is just usually during the warmer months.

Thu, 07/12/2012 - 07:29 | 2609309 northerngirl
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It is only going to get worse until American's decide enough is enough and venture out on their own in start up businesses.  However, in the climate of high Federal and State regulations the costs in some cases makes it almost impossible to start a new business.  Again, until we say enough and seek those that oppose a, "Nanny State", nothing will change.  Small business's are great place's to work, so take off the hand cuffs of regulations, and watch full time employment come back.  America working smarter = Smaller government on all levels.

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