Venizelos Refuses To Release Bond Swap Data, Confirming Key Precondition To Second Greek Bailout Has Failed

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:37 | 1714098 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Wow - quite a move. Is this a final flag?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:44 | 1714104 Edward Fiatski
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Greece will default in October. EFSF is for Italy & Spain.

If the spartans don't default, then this whole sharade does not make sense: the engineered crisis is there to kill what little sovereignty there was left in the European nations, but the prize, of course, is the collapse of the middle class in the United States, followed by a North American union.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:17 | 1714178 Vampyroteuthis ...
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but the prize, of course, is the collapse of the middle class in the United States, followed by a North American union.

 

Fiatski, sorry to break it to you, but that pretty much already has occurred.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:20 | 1714184 Edward Fiatski
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Can we initiate martial law with confiscation of property in the United States without having to dodge civilian fire? Still in the process, if you think the worst has already happened, you will be surpised.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:22 | 1714189 Bobbyrib
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NAFTA is pretty close to a North American Union, but not quite there. Why would the Canadians want to have a union with the royally fucked US? I remember ignorantly making fun of Canada when I was younger. Now I'm thinking of jumping the border like our neighbors to the south do to us. The US is fucked.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:33 | 1714203 Edward Fiatski
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NAFTA is akin to European Steel & Coal Community of 1950s - the birth of the European Union. When Mexicans can freely cross the border of the United States with no paper control and work legally, with no barriers, as pollacks have done in the UK, then you will see the true birth of the North American Union and collapse of society in the Republic.

P.S. I'm not saying this is a bad thing to happen in the long term prospects of civilisation; it does seem like the end of his, or her world to a short-term observer.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:36 | 1714407 GetZeeGold
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Yeah.....get your own freakin bond swap data.

 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 11:16 | 1714963 unerman
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You are correct sir. We Canadians want no part of a Union with the USA.

But what the people want is not necessarily what our leaders do.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:37 | 1714100 spiral_eyes
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it's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:39 | 1714226 fockewulf190
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More like a volcano gurgitating a steady flow of all consumig lava towards the city, while the sheeple sit at cafes talking about the pretty glow.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:44 | 1714106 Racer
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Greek bailout fails, 'market' set to soar on the news

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:44 | 1714108 nmewn
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"...German banks have sold their bonds to hedge funds which in turn are now holding Greece complete hostage."

(To the sound of martial music)...I can see those guys w/ties rolling across the border in tanks to enforce their claims even now ;-)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:46 | 1714112 Edward Fiatski
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What's the cost of a full regiment of PMCs? Or, we could bomb our own embassies in Greece, blame it on the anti-austerity peasant-slaves, and then move in the tanks.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:52 | 1714122 nmewn
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"What's the cost of a full regiment of PMCs?"

Money is no object...lol...they'll have plenty of it from their new sideline job of monitoring the internet for the Bernank!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:45 | 1714109 freethinker4now
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gREeK tRADEGY

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:45 | 1714110 BlackholeDivestment
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...stupidos will not stop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-iBIkdwX5s 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:52 | 1714125 GeneMarchbanks
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Bullshit! Sorry I meant: Bullish!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:56 | 1714128 Die Weiße Rose
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Thats it ! as a German citizen I refuse to pay for Berlusconi's Trojan horse !

What's more, many economists don't view Italy as a candidate for a default at all.

The country enjoys a strong industrial base, boasts tens of thousands of healthy companies and has comparatively little foreign debt. Indeed, most government debt is owned by the Italians themselves. And even the level of debt could easily change if Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi would for once make a serious attempt to collect unpaid taxes.

But, instead, the conservative politician finds it more convenient to tap European institutions, as Italian Finance Minister Giulio Tremonti recently put it in a blunt comment. He also figures that Italy wouldn't have to introduce any more austerity measures if euro bonds already existed on a large scale.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,788352-2,00.html

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:37 | 1714227 wombats
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If you won't buy him a Trojan Horse, how about giving him a box of Trojan Condoms?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:56 | 1714477 GetZeeGold
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Do they make trojan horse condoms?

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:43 | 1714246 fishface
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Hope yor government refuses too, pay for a country that doesn't even try to get out of the mess by themselves, why would you?

 

I read that article yesterday and by what I understand Italy would get by on austerity measures.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:09 | 1714521 fockewulf190
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@white rose

 

You know as well as I do that Merkel is going to get what she wants Almost all of the political class is for bankrupting Germany (which is already €2 trillion in the hole).  Nothing is going to change in Germany unless the people get involved en masse and not through individual phone calls to Hart aber Fair or to Presseshau Nachgefragt. 

BTW, how many ordinary Germans do you think are buying gold and silver, to protect themselves againt the upcoming euro collapse?  I doubt it´s even 1%...just like in the US.

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:55 | 1714131 willien1derland
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If a plate breaks on the ground would it make a sound if no one reported it?! I think the Greek FinMin should be replaced by Max Headroom...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:58 | 1714137 papaswamp
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Germans must have great asses...because they sure are getting banged alot by the rest of the EU lately. Sort of like us Americans and the banksters and politicians...I'm not sure I can sit down anymore...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:00 | 1714143 hondamikesd
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Who could have guessed that Germans liked it Greek style so much?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:57 | 1714480 GetZeeGold
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.......hand in the air........

 

 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 06:59 | 1714140 hondamikesd
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They just don't want you to know how well it went. It went very well. Trust us, there's no need to look for yourself. Take our word on it, you know we're good for it, your friend Lloyd even says so and you trusted him last time. The details are really quite boring, you wouldn't be interested in them anyway. Just buy stocks, you'll feel better.

http://bit.ly/onEk6t

/sarc, obviously

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:02 | 1714147 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Yo dawg, I lol'd!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:01 | 1714145 Dick Darlington
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*VENIZELOS SAYS BOND SWAP DATA `OPTIMISTIC'

*VENIZELOS SAYS WON'T GIVE FIGURES ON BOND SWAP PARTICIPATION

*VENIZELOS SAYS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT 6TH LOAN APPROVAL

*VENIZELOS SAYS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT GERMAN PARLIAMENT EFSF VOTE

*VENIZELOS SAYS NO EURO AREA COUNTRY WILL DEFAULT

*VENIZELOS SAYS TRANCHE WILL BE APPROVED IN TIME IN OCT

*VENIZELOS SAYS JULY 21 DECISIONS ARE VERY USEFUL FOR ITALY (yes, confirmation Italy is really done)

*VENIZELOS SAYS PREMIER WILL MAKE WRITTEN PLEDGE TO TROIKA (lol, wtf?)

*VENIZELOS SAYS JULY 21 EU DECISIONS ARE `GOSPEL' (seriously, wtf?)

*VENIZELOS REPEATS DENIAL OF CHANGES TO DEBT SWAP PLANS

*VENIZELOS SAYS IF EUROPE CAN'T SAVE GREECE, CAN'T SAVE ITSELF

*VENIZELOS SAYS LOSING THE BATTLE WILL TAKE GREECE DECADES BACK

*VENIZELOS SAYS GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SUCCEED

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:03 | 1714151 Edward Fiatski
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Even if one of these points fail in late Sept, early Oct:

*VENIZELOS SAYS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT 6TH LOAN APPROVAL

*VENIZELOS SAYS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT GERMAN PARLIAMENT EFSF VOTE

*VENIZELOS SAYS NO EURO AREA COUNTRY WILL DEFAULT

*VENIZELOS SAYS TRANCHE WILL BE APPROVED IN TIME IN OCT

Then it's free-fall to hell.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:14 | 1714545 edotabin
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*VENIZELOS LEAVES PODIUM DURING SPEECH AND PROCEEDS TO EAT THE PORT OF PIREAUS

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:04 | 1714153 DutchDude
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EFSF will be amped without legal mandate; otherwise it won't happen at all;

Holland and Germany require referenda to alter constitution and there is NO way the people in Holland and Germany will agree with more bailout money for those crook contries.

Although our politicians threaten us with lights-out and even war scenarios if we don't agree with a bigger europe, (i kid you not) less and less people are buying it.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:07 | 1714159 Fips_OnTheSpot
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I am still in hope, that at least Slovakia will "kill" the EFSF expansion. Sulik gave quite some interview:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&i...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:14 | 1714174 DutchDude
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Slovenia is waking up from the European Dream turning into a nightmare... too bad there are still al lot of Europhiles in Holland who keep on bashing on realists who see Europa as the corrupt costly monster it really is at the moment.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:24 | 1714197 PY-129-20
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Same here in Germany.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:53 | 1714276 Dick Darlington
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Aaaaand Finland. Scare mongering by the eurofanatic prime minister of ours. People are waking up day by day here. Our elections was a clear message but eurofanatics don't care. They still live in their fantasy land but they're up for a rude awakening.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:18 | 1714348 schadenfreude
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Yeah. The war scenario fear mongering gets boring quite fast.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:44 | 1714640 edotabin
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Yes, although I believe the Irish had it "right" the first time they voted.

"Less and less people are buying it" Obviously, you are right. On the other hand look at the madness going on around us. They are pushing through the most idiotic plans ever devised wrapped in constant lies. It is a combination of Three Stooges policy and Freddy Krueger results.

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:13 | 1714170 kurzdump
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Don't be so negative, Tyler!
Reuters got it right: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/27/greece-venizelos-swap-idUSA8E7...

Or not...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:38 | 1714408 macholatte
Tue, 09/27/2011 - 09:06 | 1714509 GetZeeGold
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Great......what about next week?

 

.....and the week after that?

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:31 | 1714177 Robslob
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So futures must amping like crack addict who just took an imaginary hit?

 

 

 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:20 | 1714185 drwillia
Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:21 | 1714187 malamasa
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if i had a penny for every time u were wrong i would be a billionaire - i really wonder how come people read u! probably they are morons like u - IQ 60 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:43 | 1714248 DogSlime
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Wow!  Wrong 100 billion times!  Impressive!  Even more impressive that you were counting.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 07:47 | 1714262 malamasa
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yes I was counting ...the guy  couple weekends ago was absolutely sure that Greece will go bankrupt !!!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:00 | 1714287 BetTheHouse
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Uh .. hate to be the one to break it to you.  Greece IS bankrupt, dumbass.  The only question now is how many other countries is it going to drag down with it.  Get a clue.  And while you are at it, get an avitar.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:26 | 1714372 malamasa
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Duuuhhh..  yes u r right dude - Greece being 2.2% of Total European debt, 11 mio population  IS the real problem - that is why the world is collapsing..... that proves my point IQ status made above - u r a prime example!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:43 | 1714431 BetTheHouse
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"Dude?"  Actually, "bro," I didn't say they were the "real problem."  I said they were bankrupt. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 08:25 | 1714373 schadenfreude
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Delayed filing of insolvency is a crime. of course that doesn't count for sovereigns, because politicians stand above law. If you know the date, when Greece is officially insolvent please ellaborate, so that I can position some short on banks.

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