VIC Issues Bank Of America As "Terminal Short" Thesis

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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:13 | 1793027 BeachBummed
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Fin.....and roll credits

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:17 | 1793055 Fish Gone Bad
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Fuck Bank of America.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:42 | 1793227 fonestar
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Drag Brian Moynihan into the streets, let street justice sort it out!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:52 | 1793285 Henry Chinaski
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In those instances where BOA hasn't been fraudulent or negligent, they were always incompetent. 

karma bitchez

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:20 | 1793441 eureka
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And JPM and C and WFC and all TBTF banks and Wall Street and Pentagon and CIA

Ron Paul 2012

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:17 | 1793061 quintago
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I can confirm the run on BAC has already started. My entire extended family has begun closing their accounts and moving to credit unions or other local commercial banks which rebate ATM access. In fact, when I was closing my account they had the insolence to ask me which credit union or bank I was moving my money to.

If you assume a 10x leverage, they just took a bath on 1 account holder....

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:33 | 1793174 bill1102inf
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We just moved our personal accounts and nonProfit business accounts to a local credit union.  The CU rep said she is busy all day, every day with people coming over from BOA.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:57 | 1793645 Missiondweller
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Me too. Moved my account to a credit union.


I asked the guy if others were opening accts. He showed me a huge stack of paperwork and said, "yeah, this is just from this week". I asked if they were all from BAC and he said its from ALL the big banks

This is in San Francisco.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:05 | 1793354 D-Man
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Same here. Started changing my direct deposit and bill pay after reading about their recent move yesterday on Zerohedge. I know others who are doing the same since their debit card charge decision.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:06 | 1793368 silverserfer
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Any money that is pulled out now wont have to be insured by FDIC( AKA taxpayer) later right?

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:44 | 1793570 Falcon15
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With only 1 caveat. If, and I mean if, there is not a cascade failure of other banks triggered by a BaC failure, and the bank any current account holder moves their money to from BoA does not fail, then no.


If, and again, I mean if, there is a cascade failure of banks tied directly or indirectly into BaC, then it is every Federal Reserve Note and FDIC insured entity for itself. YMMV.


I am long phyzz, non-existent paper, extremely short fiat. I stepped out of the game years ago and I will be staying out. Have fun weathering the collapse boys & girls (with my apologies to William Goldman, et al.)!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:46 | 1793581 azusgm
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Taxpayers should protect themselves and get their money out of BofA. It is the patriotic thing to do.

Why hurt yourselves by dealing with an enemy of the taxpayers?

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:20 | 1793434 Freewheelin Franklin
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I closed my BAC accounts shortly after I opened them 3 years ago before the crash. The charged me an ATM fee on the back end of the transaction. I had never heard of that before. The ATM I used was fee free, but BAC cahrged me. What exactly did they charge me for? The electricity needed to run the computers to make the changes to my account balance? I can cerrtainly understand charging a fee to operate and maintain the actual ATM machine, but BAC didn't have to do anything.


I live in rural South Jersey, and there are at least 10, if not more, local community commercial banks, mutual savings banks, mutual holding companies and credit unions in a 10 mile radius.


Unfortuantely, credit unions do not handle business accounts or business loans, so I use a mutual holding company. Best of both worlds.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:13 | 1793028 Deadpool
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buh bye Rank of Amerrillca....

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:18 | 1793065 wombats
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Does this mean that Linda Green might lose her job?

That would be a shame.

She is a VP.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:59 | 1793665 Missiondweller
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Wish I could give you a +10 for that!!!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:13 | 1793033 PaperBear
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"Bank Of America equity is worthless."


Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:17 | 1793058 equity_momo
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Show me a European , US or UK bank that isnt worthless for shareholders. They are all terminal shorts.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:18 | 1793066 Nascent_Variable
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Obviously, a blogger infiltrated VIC and planted this report.  I'm sure Moynihan will clear it up shortly.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:15 | 1793043 Capitalist10
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Few banks more richly deserve this fate.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:15 | 1793045 TooBearish
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Wrong TBTF and Obama contribution conduit BUY EM!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:16 | 1793047 reader2010
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Shorts on Financials will soon be banned.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:18 | 1793062 SilverIsKing
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Put Options

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:19 | 1793067 reader2010
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Futures and options will be banned too.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:44 | 1793247 SilverIsKing
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Breathing in air will soon be banned as well.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:48 | 1793269 Common_Cents22
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They'll have to ban BAC account closures.  The ultimate "short".

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:57 | 1793310 Pladizow
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If you dont want to deal with BAC personel, simply write a check made payable to yourself and deposit it in an account elsewhere - EZPZ.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:16 | 1793048 Dr. Engali
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But Warren said it's a good company. I'm gad I'm short already. Shorting BAC and squiddy.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:16 | 1793050 tekhneek
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Hurry up and explode already. I'm freaking tired of waiting and my puts expire in 3 weeks.

Guess I'll roll over but damn, I honestly didn't think it would last this long. Oh well. Live and learn.

Short this bitch into mid-2012 just to be safe IMO.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:33 | 1793173 nonclaim
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Be careful with front month... if halted the "last know price" is used for settlement even if the stock is in reality worthless.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:47 | 1793583 JPM Hater001
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I shorted JPM and GS in May and laddered it out August through December.  Made a killing when I got out in August.  Now I am going to short the S&P but how far out do I need to ladder?  That is the question.

When do the wheels on the bus go from round and round to rolling down a hill?

Of course it's an inevitability but only a fool or a liar would tell you they know when it will happen.

My initial gains went into PM's but I'm greedy.  I have a bonus next friday and want to double down.  Those gains will go into a giant fence around my 2 acres.

Problem is, can my money get trapped at E-Trade if there are liquidity issued?

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:17 | 1793051 Fips_OnTheSpot
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....aaaaaaaand it's gone.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:16 | 1793052 fuu
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The BAC, the BAC, the BAC is on fire.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:17 | 1793054 machineh
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We can't let BAC go down; the Democratic convention is being held in Charlotte ... and the riot police are already trained.

Guard the branches and seize any cash withdrawals!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:12 | 1793392 BlackingOut
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The sad thing is that Charlotte isn't even prepared for the Democratic convention, especially rioters.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:19 | 1793056 wombats
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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:18 | 1793068 Pretorian
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You taking any shorts before publishing on ZH, hope you do.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:21 | 1793081 tekhneek
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Trust me my friend, Tyler's been short for awhile.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:21 | 1793080 Nom de Guerre
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Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:23 | 1793088 vote_libertaria...
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I would only buy cheap puts.


Chances the gvt will let the largest bank go belly up...I would say close to zero.


They will pump it with as much funny money as needed to keep it alive.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:54 | 1793631 JPM Hater001
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Yes, that was my -1.  You can't expect a Super Committee looking for a feeble $1.4 Trillion in savings over the next 10 years to actually spend $53 Trillion to bail out the banks derivatives.  That's what we call Too Big Too Bail.  TBTB Baby. 

The key will be to not let the boat tie off on a dock or the rats might get out before they burn and drown.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 14:02 | 1794033 azusgm
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BAC may go under. The trick for the taxpayers is to get people to pull their FDIC-insured deposits so that .gov can't try to save the BAC counterparties by an equivalent amount. If you liked TARP in 2008 when the US was in a much more credible economic position (although not a great one), you'll love wading deeper into the mire with the (broke) FDIC taking up the slack on probably 100% of FDIC deposits. If the depositors won't do what needs to be done, the FDIC needs to step in.

Hint to FDIC: 5:01pm Hawaii time this Friday, if not sooner. Do it.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:24 | 1793092 Dr. Engali
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I wonder why nobody is talking about Wells Fargo. They bought that peice of crap Wachovia who bought Golden west at the top of the sub prime market. Not to mention Wachovia ran those stupid ass pick a payment loan. Surely Wells is a big short.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:32 | 1793163 Careless Whisper
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I think you're underestimating the income Wachovia made from their drug cartel money laundering operation; they laundered about $375 Billion over three years. Financed some jets, stuff like that. I'm thinking the cartels will show some loyalty and stay with Wells.


Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:37 | 1793192 Dr. Engali
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You may have a point there. I forgot about all of that. I mostly remember all their financial screw ups.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:41 | 1793225 CrimsonAvenger
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Wells will blow up soon enough, and when it does, given BAC's imminent demise, Charlotte (where I live) is going to be an economic crater.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 12:28 | 1793495 FreeNewEnergy
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Charlotte IS GOING TO BE an economic crater?

I have a cousin who moved there in 2006. Nice job in banking, bought a house, fot laid off job in 2009, got another, laid off again, out of work 1 1/2 years, house refi'ed via govt. program, a real mess.

With unemployment in the area officially at 12% and rising, I'd say Charlotte ALREADY IS an economic crater, my cousin's bad timing notwithstanding.

Talk about stuck. This gal doesn't have enough money to pay her mortgage, nor sell and move. She could sell at a huge loss, but I think she's leaning toward double default and walking away. 51 years old and royally screwed.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 13:06 | 1793685 CrimsonAvenger
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Sorry for your cousin, but really, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:24 | 1793094 Quinvarius
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The only problem with all this terminal short stuff is that they can get as much money as they want from the Fed.  I am not arguing they are worthless.  I just don't see how they are going to go out of business.

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 11:24 | 1793100 prains
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B of A soon to be renamed Bank of Oligarkistan


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