Was The NYPD Responsible For 10 Of The 11 People Shot Yesterday?

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Update: Yes it was - Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers

The official media-friendly narrative explaining yesterday's latest tragic shooting incident in midtown Manhattan in which a recently unemployed Jeffrey Johnson, 58, walked up to his former boss and shot him three times point blank before "calmly" walking away, is that Johnson also shot 9 other people, luckily none fatally, before being taken down by the NYPD. Sadly, as so often happens these days, the "media-friendly" narrative is wrong, and as CBS and Guardian report, Johnson did not fire during the quote unquote shootout, in which at least nine other perfectly innocent were hit, all of them by stray NYPD bullets.

From CBS: "Police said it is unlikely that Johnson fired during the shootout." Uhm, then isn't shootout a somewhat inaccurate word? "One witness told investigators that Johnson fired, but ballistics tests don’t back that up, authorities said... At least nine other people on the street were also shot, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it is unclear whether they were shot by the suspect or police. “Some may have been shot accidentally by police officers who responded immediately,” Bloomberg said." In other words of the (at least) 11 people shot yesterday, 2 of whom fatally, the NYPD was responsible for 10 of those shot, 9 of whom were literally "collateral damage" in a non-shoot out, and should be sacrificing various animals to their assorted guns that the NYPD, in missing their designated target, is at least quite atrocious in hitting any major organs. All of which of course begs the question: is a hit-to-miss (and potentially hit-to-casualty) ratio of less than 10% for New York's finest really acceptable and is this the kind of statistic that NY City wishes to boast in enticing new tourists?

Below is a graphic complete clip of what happened around 9 am yesterday:

And some more on what really transpired via the Guardian:

Robert Asika was among those wounded, shot in the elbow from a distance of around eight feet by one of the two police officers who confronted Johnson. He accused police of "shooting randomly", and said he saw at least two others hit by police bullets.

 

"If you're gonna aim try and aim perfectly. If you wanna aim at the target, you got to know what you're doing because it's the street," Asika said. "I could have been dead right now. I could have been dead."

 

Asika was working on 5th Avenue on Friday morning, selling tickets for tour buses and the building's observation deck. He had only been in the job a week, after having been unemployed for over a year. "I was just standing there and I saw people running. I didn't want to run because I wanted to know why people were running so I turned around and I saw this guy," he said.

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Police said Johnson been employed for six years as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Imports. Kelly said during a press conference that he was laid off as part of a downsizing at the firm. Kelly described the gunman as a "disgruntled former employee" who came back to confront his former manager. "He shot and killed the former co-worker, striking him three times," Kelly said.

 

Johnson moved to draw his weapon, a .45 caliber handgun, as the officers approached, police said. There are conflicting reports as to what happened next. "The [police] tape clearly shows that the gunman had the gun out, and was trying to kill the officers," Bloomberg said. Other officials at the scene reportedly said the man had not fired on police.

 

The two police officers discharged 14 rounds, killing Johnson outside the entrance to the Empire State Building. Kelly at first said Johnson fired on officers, but police later said they were trying to determine whether Johnson fired. "These officers ... had absolutely no choice," Kelly said. "This individual took a gun out very close to them and perhaps fired at them."

He didn't. Instead he was mowed down in a cannonade of fire by the NYPD which has shot at least 9 other perfectly innocent bystanders, of whom miraculously none were killed.

Four women and five men were taken to city hospitals with gunshot wounds, but none was believed to be in a life-threatening condition. Police shut down nearby streets as forensic teams checked the gunman's body. The FBI were quick to confirm that the attack was not an act of terrorism.

 

Askia described the scene when officers caught up with Johnson. He said the gunman stopped six feet away from him, with two officers about eight feet in the other direction. "All of a sudden the guy stopped, and he was facing a cop who was following him," Asika said.

 

"He just reached in his suit and took out the gun, and I saw him pull it [towards] the cops. I'm like, is this guy for real? One of the cops was trying to shoot back at him and one of them shot me while the other one shot the guy."

 

"As soon as the bullet hit me, I felt like I didn't feel it. But then as soon as I tried to get up, I couldn't get up. I looked there and the blood was gushing out," Asika said.

 

"I was crawling, trying to get across the street, to the safe side of the street. I got across the street and I just fell at the bus stop and I was laying there and I couldn't get up no more. I was so tired, I was so scared. I've never been scared like that in my whole life."

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Erica Solar, a mother of two who works as a receptionist on 37th Street, was hit in the back of the leg as she made her way to Dunkin' Donuts. Solar's friend, Christopher Collins, found her lying on the street as he got off a bus on his way to work.

 

"She was basically in shock. She didn't know if she had gotten stabbed or if she had gotten shot, but she just knew she was bleeding, and I was just there trying to keep her calm until paramedics arrived," Collins told the Guardian.

 

"It was chaotic. Everybody was running, cops were there immediately," Collins said. Solar was taken to Bellevue hospital, about a mile from the Empire State Building.

 

Another among the wounded was Media Rosario, from Brooklyn, who like Solar was hit in the back of the leg. She said that everything happened so fast, she saw people running, and when she turned around to see what happened, she was already shot," said her sister-in-law, Auselis Rosario.

 

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Asika said Bloomberg visited him in hospital, but he received no apology from police.

That's explainable: the Mayor was likely distracted by his profound confusion how a deranged assassin with intent to kill was so blatantly unaware of New York City Administrative Code § 10-131 on the use of Firearms, which effectively makes any use or carrying of guns in the city of New York illegal.

Oh well, time to cut the maximum legal size of a New York soda drink by edict one more time.

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Sat, 08/25/2012 - 09:49 | 2736664 francis_sawyer
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I'm telling u son it ain't no fun starin straight down a .44

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 09:50 | 2736666 tsx500
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wow, crazy !     good thing many paralegals were sent to the scene !!

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 09:52 | 2736669 francis_sawyer
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Reflexes got the better of me... & what will be will be...

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 09:56 | 2736679 CrockettAlmanac.com
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No wonder the government needs a billion plus rounds.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 10:11 | 2736715 Ray1968
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I know in Chicago when they report "shootings" they don't separate the gang-banger shootings from the police shootings. It is just assumed that all shootings are from "illegal" guns in the city. My bet is that the cops are at least 50% responsible for all shootings in America. 

There is a law that Congress passed a few years ago that requires reporting on police shootings, but the Justice Department has NEVER enforced the law requiring reporting (big surprise there)

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 10:30 | 2736763 Popo
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I'm picking up on some heavy anti-gun messages in this piece. ZH needs to get its platform a little clearer. Anti-gun whining? Really? This must be one of the newer, non-civil-liberties Tylers.

Just to recap: Zerohedge is *for* personal liberty, freedom and responsibility. Check.

Zerohedge is *against* big brother government and the encroachment of fascism on our civil liberties. Check.

Zerohedge is for people-power and resistance to oppression. Check?

..and yet, amazingly, Zerohedge is *for* an unarmed population, unable to mount resistance of any kind to any form of armed threat.

Wait...what?

Because we all know that if Mr. Bloomberg did actually make sure there were no guns being brandished in public, that criminals would (of course) obey the laws as they always do. < / sarc >.

No one is a bigger fan of gun control laws than oppressive regimes and criminals. (The former being the ENTIRE reason for the fourth amendment).

So, Dear Tyler, can you please clarify your position here? Is it against stupid, trigger-happy cops (ok, we're with you) or is it that guns are bad because they enable one in a million people to intentionally hurt the innocent a little too easily. (You know, sort of like those equally-evil motor-vehicle killing machines which are equally capable of marrying intent-to-kill with actualization).

Are you for or against increased government control of civil liberties, Tyler #7?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 10:55 | 2736787 hedgeless_horseman
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Askia described the scene when officers caught up with Johnson. He said the gunman stopped six feet away from him, with two officers about eight feet in the other direction. "All of a sudden the guy stopped, and he was facing a cop who was following him," Asika said.

 

Compare New Yorks's finest hit rate to a recent Texas shootout where an old man saved a cop by hitting a bad guy with his pistol 5 out of 5 times at 165 yards (495 feet).

 

Despite the distance Vic Stacey knew he had to take the clear right flank shot that he had with his 5? barrel 357 magnum. Vic estimated he was 165 yards out.  But as you are about to hear, that was not a problem for ole Vic.  

 

His first round got the double murderer in the thigh and put him down, but the guy amazingly chambered another round and got a shot off at Vic that almost got him. Vic fired four more times, got four more hits as the officer got the range and finally killed the shooter.

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 10:59 | 2736828 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Yea, old guys!

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 11:28 | 2736917 Vampyroteuthis ...
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We do it right here in Texas. Besides sending those pigs to the firing range, how about putting them on a diet?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 11:33 | 2736933 jmcadg
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Shit no doughnuts! You're just being ridiculous now! The union will have something to say about that.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:00 | 2736946 Precious
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Message to citizendum.  Maintain ammo.

You now see what a panicked police force can do to innocent people,

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:12 | 2737036 sunaJ
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I'm sure the NYT, the premiere local/global source for "all the news that's fit to print," was all over this, maybe even breaking the news that 10 of 11 people were hit by police gunfire.

Oh, I see they have yet to publish a word on it. 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:36 | 2737091 Precious
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Bloomberg wears the boots in this town.  All 5'6" inches of him.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:45 | 2737108 nmewn
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He looks larger on TV...that explains his staff of midgets ;-)

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:50 | 2737124 Manthong
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Hey good news.. according to a just released story about that New York shooting, the cops only shot 3 of the 9 injured innocent bystanders. The other six were just injured by “bullet fragments” from the cop’s bullets while they gunned down the perp.

It’s a good thing there is so much gun control in New York, especially by the NYPD.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 13:19 | 2737201 tip e. canoe
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“bullet fragments”

wonder which PR flack came up with that meme.   betya Mikey was up all night last night doing damage control.   like having his boys talk to the doctors who pulled out those "fragments" to make sure that what they pulled out of the people were indeed "fragments".   for the good of the city of course.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 13:45 | 2737255 FEDbuster
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I wonder who got there first the paramedics or the paralegals (and yes, I mean paralegals)?  Is this an ambulance chasers wet dream, or what?  How much with NYC pay out per victim?  Anyone have a guess?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 14:19 | 2737277 Precious
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The New York Bar Association will be holding a lottery for lawyers wishing to represent the victims on a 30 percent contingency basis.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 14:26 | 2737337 r00t61
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The damage control has already started.

"NYPD a model of restraint in use of deadly force"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/opinion/odonnell-police-shooting/index.htm...

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 14:34 | 2737348 Michael
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Gerald Celente - "Iceland is the only country left with fight in it" - (14-Jun-11)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWwERXsmKDo&feature=related

Media Military Complex- Same 6 owners for Media & Defense Ron Paul coverage investigative journ pt 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_bjew709I&feature=plcp

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 14:47 | 2737362 James_Cole
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Kelly was on CNN Outfront last night for a sitdown interview - which was a surprise considering how quick after the shooting - and then he went on to claim the bystanders had been injured by police but it was only fragments from objects with bullets richochetting around the place. Pretty tall tale, not surpised it isn't true. 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 16:17 | 2737512 Hype Alert
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Double standard.  Now if a citizen had fired and fragments were flying, look out for the media coverage, mayors, police chiefs, etc. talking about risking lives.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 16:57 | 2737575 LMAOLORI
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"Hype Alert Double standard.  Now if a citizen had fired and fragments were flying, look out for the media coverage, mayors, police chiefs, etc. talking about risking lives."

Bingo a citizen would be charged.  I wonder if these officers will be if not it's frankly not equal justice it's a city street not a war zone where shots can & often times are coming from all directions. There was a 65 year old lady in CA a few weeks ago who shot at some thugs robbing her chasing them out of the shop 

Newsman Jim Nash "Garden Grove police officer's say it may be the same crew but they caution store owners with guns"

"Just like a police officer, when you fire that weapon and those rounds go down range, you have to be accountable for where those rounds end up," said Garden Grove police Lt. Jeff Nightengale.

Newsman Jim Nash again at the end of the clip

" as much as those cops like seeing the bad guys having the table turned on them they still caution everybody that down range beyond the target there's always often an innocent bystander."

AMAZING: 65 Year Old CA Woman Shoots and Fights Off FIVE Armed Robbers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjXJBpV9YRI

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 15:34 | 2737428 Michael
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If bullets are being shot on my person, I shoot back.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 22:03 | 2737904 SmallerGovNow2
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you mean his jackboots on the throats of the citizens of NYC???

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 12:59 | 2738677 saturn
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Looks like NYPD is full of Breivik fanboys..

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 21:03 | 2737850 TrulyBelieving
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Not a problem, it's only collateral damage.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 11:41 | 2736957 AlaricBalth
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It's the real life Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. Jimmy Breslin would have a field day with this.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4148569T5VL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 01:21 | 2738023 CompassionateFascist
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I lived and worked in the streets of NYC for many years, and had numerous encounters with "New York's Finest" Not one was pleasant or productive. On one occasion rode a bicycle into the middle of a cops-and-criminals shootout on W. 47th St., jewelry district. Hid under a car while the Po Po blasted off around 500 rounds, shoooting out every storefront window on the block. Bad guys still got away. On another occasion, I saw some drug dealing going on around 103rd on West Side. Called police dispatch and she sez, "do you think they have guns"? I givvup.  

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 15:28 | 2737422 tenpanhandle
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New edict.  If you can't put a round through a doughnut hole, no doughnuts through the pie hole.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:23 | 2737062 williambanzai7
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TACTICAL SHOOTING RANGE

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:38 | 2737092 AlaricBalth
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LMAO WB!
Had one as a kid.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:40 | 2737097 williambanzai7
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Those things shot lots of rounds!

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 18:56 | 2737714 caconhma
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This is what happens when NYPD officers don't differenciate between New York City and some other places somewhere in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, etc.,

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 12:28 | 2743848 Redhotfill
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I had that exact same one too!  I cant remember the name of it!  That thing was powered by big ass "D" batteries.  I was pissed whenever the batteries went dead. Can anyone tell me what its name was and who made it?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:55 | 2737136 JR
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Banzai7, not only a talented artist, but the best of the world’s original idea men (and FAST!) – combined with ZH an info-boggling world class team.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 16:08 | 2737490 Michael
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This is a wake up call for public oversight of the NYPD and all PD's throughout the country.

Officers must go back to the police academy to re-learn proper use of their service weapons used in the line of duty and be recertified.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 17:12 | 2737592 TheGardener
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"This is a wake up call for public oversight of the NYPD and all PD's throughout the country.

Officers must go back to the police academy to re-learn proper use of their service weapons used in the line of duty and be recertified."

The purpose of a heavily militarized police force is spreading good old TERROR among the populace. NYPD seems to be doing rather well.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 18:26 | 2737675 Antifaschistische
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RIght on Michael...you forgot the last sentence though,

 

....and be terminated if they fail to qualify for firearm usage or fail their obstacle course test.

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 01:28 | 2738028 CompassionateFascist
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And Field Marshal Bloomberg wants us to give up our guns....so his policia...can "protect" us. There's a reason urban police and County Sheriffs/Deputys are on opposing sides of the political fence. Stuff like this is it.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 11:32 | 2736930 Pampalona
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495 feet? That BS

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:20 | 2737009 The Big Ching-aso
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NYPD during target practice?

"Ready, sorta aim, spray away!"

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:08 | 2737016 hedgeless_horseman
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495 feet? That BS

I have done long-range pistol training, with duty/carry weapons, up to 200 yards (600 ft).  You can get the hit.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 22:08 | 2737908 SmallerGovNow2
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bullshit...  25 years in military, 200 yards is difficult with an M16... you are not hitting that with a 38, 45, or 9 mm from 200 yards dip shit...

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 22:44 | 2737934 Calmyourself
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Bullshit back, you do not know what your talking about, Henry Bowman anyone.. Bueller... bet me that m16,  Drop may be 120" but hit, your damn right..

Sun, 08/26/2012 - 23:53 | 2740107 DYS
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You are a terrible shot.   I consistantly put 10/10 in the black at 500 yards with the M16A2.   For me, 200 standing rapid fire is the most difficult, but 500 prone is a breeze.  The weapon can outshoot me any day of the week.   25 years in the military?   Let me guess, cook in the Army?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:15 | 2737044 Buckaroo Banzai
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The guy he hit five times disagrees with you. Hard to BS when the evidence is crystal clear.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 12:21 | 2737057 Uncle Remus
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Why BS? A .357 mag has the capability, it's a matter of skill. In fact, the distance involved should be a reminder that while hand guns are more often than not used in close range situations, the bullets are quite capable of traveling far outside the perceived area of operation.

Apparently, this ol' boy was used to shooting a little further down range than is common with a hand gun.

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