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Was The NYPD Responsible For 10 Of The 11 People Shot Yesterday?
Update: Yes it was - Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers
The official media-friendly narrative explaining yesterday's latest tragic shooting incident in midtown Manhattan in which a recently unemployed Jeffrey Johnson, 58, walked up to his former boss and shot him three times point blank before "calmly" walking away, is that Johnson also shot 9 other people, luckily none fatally, before being taken down by the NYPD. Sadly, as so often happens these days, the "media-friendly" narrative is wrong, and as CBS and Guardian report, Johnson did not fire during the quote unquote shootout, in which at least nine other perfectly innocent were hit, all of them by stray NYPD bullets.
From CBS: "Police said it is unlikely that Johnson fired during the shootout." Uhm, then isn't shootout a somewhat inaccurate word? "One witness told investigators that Johnson fired, but ballistics tests don’t back that up, authorities said... At least nine other people on the street were also shot, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it is unclear whether they were shot by the suspect or police. “Some may have been shot accidentally by police officers who responded immediately,” Bloomberg said." In other words of the (at least) 11 people shot yesterday, 2 of whom fatally, the NYPD was responsible for 10 of those shot, 9 of whom were literally "collateral damage" in a non-shoot out, and should be sacrificing various animals to their assorted guns that the NYPD, in missing their designated target, is at least quite atrocious in hitting any major organs. All of which of course begs the question: is a hit-to-miss (and potentially hit-to-casualty) ratio of less than 10% for New York's finest really acceptable and is this the kind of statistic that NY City wishes to boast in enticing new tourists?
Below is a graphic complete clip of what happened around 9 am yesterday:
And some more on what really transpired via the Guardian:
Robert Asika was among those wounded, shot in the elbow from a distance of around eight feet by one of the two police officers who confronted Johnson. He accused police of "shooting randomly", and said he saw at least two others hit by police bullets.
"If you're gonna aim try and aim perfectly. If you wanna aim at the target, you got to know what you're doing because it's the street," Asika said. "I could have been dead right now. I could have been dead."
Asika was working on 5th Avenue on Friday morning, selling tickets for tour buses and the building's observation deck. He had only been in the job a week, after having been unemployed for over a year. "I was just standing there and I saw people running. I didn't want to run because I wanted to know why people were running so I turned around and I saw this guy," he said.
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Police said Johnson been employed for six years as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Imports. Kelly said during a press conference that he was laid off as part of a downsizing at the firm. Kelly described the gunman as a "disgruntled former employee" who came back to confront his former manager. "He shot and killed the former co-worker, striking him three times," Kelly said.
Johnson moved to draw his weapon, a .45 caliber handgun, as the officers approached, police said. There are conflicting reports as to what happened next. "The [police] tape clearly shows that the gunman had the gun out, and was trying to kill the officers," Bloomberg said. Other officials at the scene reportedly said the man had not fired on police.
The two police officers discharged 14 rounds, killing Johnson outside the entrance to the Empire State Building. Kelly at first said Johnson fired on officers, but police later said they were trying to determine whether Johnson fired. "These officers ... had absolutely no choice," Kelly said. "This individual took a gun out very close to them and perhaps fired at them."
He didn't. Instead he was mowed down in a cannonade of fire by the NYPD which has shot at least 9 other perfectly innocent bystanders, of whom miraculously none were killed.
Four women and five men were taken to city hospitals with gunshot wounds, but none was believed to be in a life-threatening condition. Police shut down nearby streets as forensic teams checked the gunman's body. The FBI were quick to confirm that the attack was not an act of terrorism.
Askia described the scene when officers caught up with Johnson. He said the gunman stopped six feet away from him, with two officers about eight feet in the other direction. "All of a sudden the guy stopped, and he was facing a cop who was following him," Asika said.
"He just reached in his suit and took out the gun, and I saw him pull it [towards] the cops. I'm like, is this guy for real? One of the cops was trying to shoot back at him and one of them shot me while the other one shot the guy."
"As soon as the bullet hit me, I felt like I didn't feel it. But then as soon as I tried to get up, I couldn't get up. I looked there and the blood was gushing out," Asika said.
"I was crawling, trying to get across the street, to the safe side of the street. I got across the street and I just fell at the bus stop and I was laying there and I couldn't get up no more. I was so tired, I was so scared. I've never been scared like that in my whole life."
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Erica Solar, a mother of two who works as a receptionist on 37th Street, was hit in the back of the leg as she made her way to Dunkin' Donuts. Solar's friend, Christopher Collins, found her lying on the street as he got off a bus on his way to work.
"She was basically in shock. She didn't know if she had gotten stabbed or if she had gotten shot, but she just knew she was bleeding, and I was just there trying to keep her calm until paramedics arrived," Collins told the Guardian.
"It was chaotic. Everybody was running, cops were there immediately," Collins said. Solar was taken to Bellevue hospital, about a mile from the Empire State Building.
Another among the wounded was Media Rosario, from Brooklyn, who like Solar was hit in the back of the leg. She said that everything happened so fast, she saw people running, and when she turned around to see what happened, she was already shot," said her sister-in-law, Auselis Rosario.
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Asika said Bloomberg visited him in hospital, but he received no apology from police.
That's explainable: the Mayor was likely distracted by his profound confusion how a deranged assassin with intent to kill was so blatantly unaware of New York City Administrative Code § 10-131 on the use of Firearms, which effectively makes any use or carrying of guns in the city of New York illegal.
Oh well, time to cut the maximum legal size of a New York soda drink by edict one more time.
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Yes the 2 policemen representing the NYPD are responsible and thats why they pursued and confronted the criminal.
I say; Thank you cops, you are a credit to your force and to the people that pay your salaries and are 2 very courageous individuals.
Yes the NYPD is responsible for sending all beat cops to additional training about how to minimize non perpetrator injury.
I'll bet you say "Yes Sir"...A LOT.
Gilligan: "Right, Skipper! And maybe they even need some target practice too! Wow, that way they can even hit a bad guy from 5 ft away!"
It is because of people like you Tortuga, that our civil rights are being destroyed daily. If you are that scared of life stay huddled in your home away from the rest of us. But quit wanting us to all to be videoed & watched 24 hours a day. We enjoy of freedoms. In our society today, the unconcerned government employee is the terroist.
an excerpt from a piece published back on February 16, 2010. Very prescient. The accompanying video is widely circulated. very graphic.http://kushmonster.blogspot.com/2010/02/blog-post_16.html
"most violent country on the face of the planet"???
BULLSHIT.
The millions slaughtered by Pol Pot or Hitler might disagree with you.
The tens of millions slaughtered by Stalin or Mao would DEFINITELY disagree with ou.
It's 2012, Buck.
I'm surprised the camera didn't malfunction.
The New York police didn't have any problem with accuracy when they shot Amadou Bailo Diallo 41 times on the doorstep. But then again he was unarmed just like Bloomberg wants everybody to be .
I think they did have a problem, it took them 41 shots!
They obviously trained at the same Fun Fair.
jmcadg,
You are overlooking the obvious. There was only ONE target on the porch. A busy sidewalk is a much more target rich environment. My guess is these guys would've set the high score if the guy had been able to make it to the sidewalk.
My bad :)
Shot AT him 41 times. They only hit him 26 times.
Still, you raise a good point. Guns were obviously more accurate back then. They didn't hit another 9 bystanders.
First shoot then ask questions. This is the wild west.
What if children get hit? I say a bunch of video gaming idiots. Real police men protect the civilians not shoot them. tzzzz
Real men don't eat doughnuts(or quiche).
These civilians need to SUE the City of New York. Retain a lawyer and hit them where it counts. In their wallet!
Same thing anywhere else this sort of thing happens. SUE! SUE! They are counting on everyone doing nothing. SUE! The lawyers will get rich as well as the civilian population. This is an easy way to stifle these MORONS that grew up on DOOM and slurpees!
During the heightened crisis mode, anything can happen when someone yells..[ He’s wearing a suit!] The State opened fire at will. It won’t be long before Bloomberg will require you to go thru a x-ray machine prior to entering NYC. I support this, Why? His city will go into ruins because no one will want to visit. No new tax revenues, no new income streams to support the bloated parasites living off the dole. Lastly, his nanny gun law just BLEW UP in his face. LOL
Just my 2 cents
http://youtu.be/IaJwgHYOaQk Hire Callahan, memo to BloomGulp
Chief Kelly boils the gunman down to a "disgruntled former employee." Portugal's economics minister boiled his country's record unemployment down to "that thing" in parliament.
There are two types of collateral damage involved in the Empire City shooting. One, the collateral damage as the police fired 16 rounds at the suspect and the suspect fired 0 rounds while nine innocent collateral damage bystanders were injured.
The second type of collateral damage gravely underreported in our society is the impact of the economic tyranny that's pushing the unstable edges of the bankruptcies, the loss of homes, the family breakups, the lost jobs...
Society suffers as these economic tyrants move always onward and upward in their search for wealth, power, domination and, more to the point, the willful destruction of a free enterprise supply and demand economy and its middle class.
Jornal de Negócios says “Portugal unemployment has long since ceased to be a collateral 'thing' and become an evil that is destroying our society. It's surprising how perplexed our government appears to be by this phenomenon. It's about time someone explained to it that without work, nothing works.”
http://www.eurotopics.net/en/home/medienindex/media_articles/archiv_article/ARTICLE105595-Record-unemployment-not-just-collateral-damage
Ban the police from having guns and keep them seperated far away from people. Arrest Bloomberg.
Up Arrow.
Yep, how did the guy get a handgun into NYC with Jerkberg's massive police state and 80,000 gun laws on the books? Didn't the shooter know he would be in trouble?
http://youtu.be/IaJwgHYOaQk Callahan, Sit Down, BloomGulp; more training. Wheres Callahan?
All right. No more real guns for these two cops. Modded NERF deploys are what they use until they are retrained and pass proper testing. http://xanalyser.blogspot.com/2012/08/all-boys-love-nerf.html
The guy must have been near a doughnut shoppe!
There was a photo in the paper of the black man with the white shirt and blue vest lying on the ground after he was shot. The cops shot him.
One more reason not to visit that stinking statist shithole NYC.
Back to hard slab revolvers that make you plan a shot.
The cops panicked, and started tapping the trigger on those semi-automatics without lining up the shot.
A double action revolver requires more trigger pull for each shot, and if you have 5 or 6 shots before relaod you are going to aim a little more carefully.
Not to give those NYPD cops a pass. They should have proper and current training on armed subjects situation. But, i'd like to see you all fire under the stress of someone pointing a .45 cal hangun.
Again, not to give them a total pass. It was bad shooting for "trained" NYPD officers.
Methinks that the reason for the shooting was because the cops confronted the guy in public. And yes it is OK to second guess the cops and what they did and how they did. From my angle, they shot 9 people. Huge liability and lack of current and concurrent training is glaringly revealed. Mayor Bloomberg has shown us where his money is NOT being spent.
WAMO556, Bingo! and there is where the problem lies. Not with the cops defending their lives but, an obvious case of poor training with the NYPD. This does reflect the Mayor because of what he stands for.
A fellow retired officer, former NYPD, was back home a while back and told me they had gone to shit. He was right.
Bloomberg's idea of training is how to teach cops to submit to Sharia law, as all self-hating Joos like him plan to do.
mad props to Dollar Bill Hiccup for being the 1st one to call it yesterday afternoon:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/real-election-year-cycle-buy-volatility-au...
In the future, Bloomberg will be staggering through an empty city. As he adds sugar to his 32oz Soda, lights up a cigarette and walks in a daze pondering.. ‘Where did I go wrong?’ Why did I listen to J. Krishnamurti’s bullshit? My life was much better in the old days…
J. Krishnamurti talks about society and human consciousness-- Society
... on his way to the AIDS clinic.
i always wonder why the guys with the badges and the most firepower, always claim to be the most nervous in the situation
Hope this becomes THE TIPPING POINT !
Oathkeeper: "Yes, we believe in the Constitution, including the 2nd amendment, and we are absolutely NOT anti-government. We, the people, ARE the government. It is the public servants we employ in high office who are vigorously anti-government for unilaterally trying to reverse the roles."
Knew this would be the reason for the other 9 innocents being shot. NYPD basically the only ones that can carry a gun legallly in New York City shot 9 innocent people. You can tell from the video cops are idoits confronting a known gunman who just shot someone(and most likely killed him from what they knew at the time) in a crowded street. They should have just followed him from a distance, they would have known previous to chasing him who he was since there was an eyewitness to the initial shooting who ID'd him(co-worker lady with guy that got killed).
But, instead these two idiots greatly escalated a dangerous situation by confronting him there with all those people and having a one-sided shootout. Be interesting to see if the Johnson ever even got a shot off.
All the innocent bystanders injured here need to sue NYPD.
Before the state taxes the NYC peasants for their error, let the New Yorker's exit the city prior to new tax increases to cover this oops. :)
Heres the problem Government employees are atrociously incompetent. This is a perfect example, 10% success 90% fail.
"officers had no choice" Really!
So your saying it was a choice of either the officers going off halfcocked and shooting 9 citizens or the officers planning an intelligent move.
And the police chose to shoot 9 citizens in 20' space trying to apprehend a suspect who never fires one shot.
I see the video how in the heck do you hit 9 inocent people?
I will bet if the construction guy was packin' that guy would be sittin' in jail today.
Your police state at work. I'm going to refrain from saying anything about the quality of work provided by union employees. :-O
double post.
but they're still idiots.
watch the police save themselves
Down here in my parts, those cops would not be cops.
No wonder Jooberg doesn't want any guns in NYC. His cops can't even shoot.
I hope the victims sue the NYPD for everything and more.
Having been in NYC before, I was not too impressed professionally with their average "police officer."
Even "Dick" O'Bama could get a job with those pissants.
Time to disarm these thugs.
Shooting a pistol is like playing golf, you have to practice all week to be any good when it counts.
These politcal correct cops could not hit the broad side of a barn.
I live in NYC, you should see some the women cops, they are 4 feet tall I swear. I dont want them protecting me.
Yep. America get's the country they vote want and vote for.
All the PC/diversity fools please stand up and take a bow.
The PC/diversity fools are certainly half of the problem.
The other half of the problem is the idiots who will defend any bullshit from someone in a uniform because the unfortunate collateral damage inflicted by the authority figure was for the good of the poor ignorant peasants. They should just shut up and suck it up and allow the gubmint to make it all better- after all the cops mean well and so did the military guys after Katrina pissing on the Constitution by confiscating the weapons of citizens.
Marksmanship is only part of the trouble. This is an attitude problem, nobody's life matters but their own. And a lack of guts makes it that much worse.
I'll shut up now, just damn.
You like the big strong masculine type when you're feelin scared, eh?
More collateral damage than McVeigh and Braevik caused .... those guys were precise !
My brother in law is an old Vietnam combat vet. Over the years he has mentioned several times the need for a cool head during firefights. Most people get fairly spooked when bullets are whizzing and they are about to get shot. Some guys would just run blindly to cover, getting shot in the back in the process.
It takes balls to be a Josie Wales, and all the donuts and steroids in the world won't replace them. These cops freaked out and started blazing away, on a crowded public sidewalk.
Officer safety was foremost in their minds, as always. I see none of them were hurt, thank goodness. /sarc
Dirty Harry maybe.
Obama should invite shooting victims and officers to the White House for a honey beer summit !
The officers can now retire early before their 20 years is up .... job related stress laughing stock .... full pay, of course .... it takes a village !
Perhaps if the sancrosanct First Responders spent less time at press conferences congratulating each other for their bravery, selflessness and dedication and more time on the shooting range, we'd have a lot fewer innocents with holes in them this a.m. The msm narrative makes me want to wretch.
This is more fun than watching Hillary and Gloria Allred get it on ! Me happy !
How many bullets does it take to bring down one dangerous man 6-8 feet away. One, two, oh, sorry, at least 14 or 15. What a crock of shit these NY police are. Will they be indicted for dereliction of duty. Nope. Sorry. Move along. Why are you people in the street when we have an emergency here. Watch the lawsuits fly on this one.
Was The NYPD Responsible For 10 Of The 11 People Shot Yesterday?
yesir rebob.
as ma daddy once said son a man cannot make un omelete wid out cracking some egg heads.
never bean to der big apple city but seems to mees it is full of evil doers and citifag degenerards.
not sayin day had got it comin no sir butt whats where day doin god damit what do day do dese peeple day just rush around der sidewalk waitin like dem lemings waitin to be shooted buy are overworked heroick super cops
ma dad said son never gets inder way of der police whens day are trying to kill folks der police is always right.
even if youse catch dem rapin your women day will have a good reeson for it.let dem finish before askin dem why.
Hey retard, what if YOU are one of those eggs that needs to be cracked to make that stupid omelette??
lighten up wamo, don't you recognize snarc when you see it?
Pure urban faggotry. Shave your legs and chug a Drano you polesmoking nancy boy, in the country the cops can generally actually shoot and the regular citizenry can often shoot better.
Hopefully next time they catch you in a crossfire coming out of the pedicure salon.
Not clear what you're referring to, but great insult. Its going in my back pocket for later.
Theyz sure did scramble doz eggz. Omelets take some skill.
At least the guy who started it is dead and won't be suing.
Be glad the cops didn't have full automatic weapons.
Yes but the cops left nine breathing. That should do wonders for balacing the budget.
Or sawed off 12 gauge with oo buck...
Fuck the innocents. Shoot first, ask questions later and let god sort it out has always been the NYPD way.
No one will doubt our response, right Ray? Get that perp at all costs.
Good thing these guys are all "trained" shooters.
The only terrorists in NYC are the PD.
You just new that the NYPD had really fucked this one up when Bloomberg was in front of the camera admitting that the cops may have shot a few bystanders. All this before all the injured had been transported to the hospital. The mother that ran and left her child standing by herself should be ashamed.
What if personal bodyguards were this hysterical? A threat pops up, they pull out an uzi and fire on everything moving and shoot everyone around except each other, of course. Their clients shot down, too.
This is too stupid, I can't believe this.
They should fire and prosecute, for criminal negligence with a firearm, everyone with a badge at that scene. dammit. And let them pay their own judgements when the lawsuits start flying.
Candidate Akin was reamed by the media, Lance Armstrong is under assault .... firing a public employee just isn't done ! Corzine is feeling less heat, anyway !
I gues we are lucky the hollow point ammunition has not yet been distributed.
Actually dip shit, you want them to use hollow points. FMJ's will go right through many parts of a person much more easily and risk hitting others.
Actually, if I were standing behind the perp, I would want them to use .45acp 230gr hydro-shok HP's or just soft points. Much less likely to penetrate with deadly energy left.
They seem to have been using 9mm. That is a higher velocity round, much better penetration. And at 8ft HP/SP/FMJ isnt gonna make much difference.
Yeah, my preference is for high-caliber low-velocity stuff too, but the guns are so heavy and there's not enough shots and WAHHHH....
.45 is better for many reasons including stopping power for drugged up types. Police ammo rules are determined by government committees.
Well dipping shit is just as bad for your gums as dipping possum tater poop or snuff.
Centurion, you use some strong language while making a weak point. The primary risk is not bullets going through the suspect, its bullets that do not hit the suspect and are more deadly when they hit innocent bystanders. Let me try an think of an example.... I've got it! The very shooting we are discussing here.
NYPD aka New York's Finest
I've always wondered: New York's "Finest" what? Donut eaters? Certainly not NY's "finest" shots.
NY's Finest Pepper Sprayers from point-blank range against a stationary object? Now you're talkin'
As my Dad liked to say, couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a bass fiddle.
NYPD
New York's Finest kick back takers.
and traffic law upholders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2WuD4zRlaY
Like in the Middle Ages: 'Kill everyone! GOD will recognize ours'
From yesterday: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/area-front-empire-state-building-closed-fo...
Cop-worshipping statists can choke on it.
This is a distraction .... let's get back to the real fun .... SYRIA !!!
---“”wonder is are these all vets from Iraq/Afganistan who are used to blasting in the direction of trouble without regard to the background kinda thing.””------.
If so, Home Land Security will be ecstatic because they have been demonizing the returning US troops ever since Obama got into office. Wanta put them all on the terrorist list. Marines are the most hated Janet target.
Speaking of Marines—I heard the Dark House Marines lost a bunch of guys recently in intense fighting in Afghanistan. Where is the news? Or are we close to elections?
Mexico, south of Mexico City a day or two back, Federallies opened fire on US Marines on duty wounding 2 or 3. Assisted training or Diplomatic or both.
As far as the Police shooting in NYC goes, more than likely, the NYPD uses ammunition that is not of the Hollow Point type which Home Land Security ordered several million rounds and Social Security and Weather Service ordered hundreds of thousand of rounds.
If so, that may have reduced the number of kills, with wounds instead of death. It is important to understand the role of a handgun for police and citizens. The concept is that a hand gun is a defensive weapon and used to stop the bad guy before he can get to you or harm others. +P ammo used by Government agencies deliveries more energy when it hits and causes more of a stopping power. Hollow point will expand and maybe fragment causing more deaths. Or because of more extensive bone, tissue, and blood transport systems, cause loss of limbs and long term disability.
This incident makes it clear the hollow point ammunition should not be issued by any Government agency. I understand the trade off argument is valid. A 250 pound male in good condition fueled by drugs that make him danger squared, needs the most lethal ammunition. But, America should not use flame throwers, fragment grenades, mustard gas, or Hollow Point bullets upon its population.
I am not anti-police and think that many of the problems they face are induced by the Federal Government and a Lawyer system that is demonic. However, in this case, loss of job and pension or reduction of pension may need careful review.
It may be that compassion for both those shot and the shooters may be a hard row to hoe.
I can actually back up, some, your assertions! The Local Police, FBI and Secret Services snacthed a, Highly Decorated Marine, from his house and held him without charge for nearly a week. He was only released after much heat from the public and the local ALCU. Here is the story:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/local-news/2012/aug/24/tdmain01-facebook-posting-marine-veteran-released--ar-2151724/
Here is my comment to the article.
The treatment of Brandon, " a distinguished, and.
decorated combat Marine" is, I my opinion, the most disgraceful example of conduct by his superiors in his chain of command. Absolutely disgraceful and I, as a taxpayer and citizen of this pathetic, Khazar (look it up people) puppet regime, am ashamed to be recognized as an American. I tell, those I meet, I am Canadian to avoid retaliation for my Gov'ts shameful actions.
May GOD help us all to prevent this abomination in the administration of our public servants in such a disgraceful fashion. I say "piss test them all". If they are on the public dime: let them pee in the cup JUST LIKE THE REST OF US! If you want to come jerk somebody out of their house; for no reason whatsoever, pee in the cup so we can GET YOUR NUMBER! WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT MISTER POLICE/FBI/ATF/TSA?
Public dime? Sample required! Join the rest of the us who are , so carefully, scrutinized!
I think I will call My State Senator.....John Watkins....
http:// www.senatorjohnwatkins.com/
I think these people who are sworn to protect us are jacked up on steroids. Is that a crime to say that?
Please occifer: pee in the cup please!
A bunch of deranged drug addicts in law enforcement if I had to give my opinion!
I suppose a pee sample would clarify my doubt?
YES?
All things change and I can tell you that today's military, right down to the US Marines are very different. They all know the various ME wars are for oil and geopoloitical positioning. They all know they'll be no jobs when they return home. They all know they might be able to become a cop or a Homeland Security flunky so their military training is simply an easy transition to those positions.
What they don't know is the Constitution and Bill of Rights. These soldiers etc are brainwashed and like most ranks in most wars will follow the orders of their superiors regardless of their validity. Just try to disobey a blatantly illegal order. You'll immediately be treated as an enemy combatant ,get court martialed by "perfumed princes" and spend the next decade attempting to clear yourself.
It's easier,, when the CO says,"kill those hostiles" that you simply kill the hostiles ..now they may be hostiles or not, the point is you dare not buck the system and think .... thinking is not allowed.
When was the last time a Lt.Gen or above was ever called to account for the actions of his command?
"I am not anti-police"
That is a position I recommend you seriously rethink.
The sole job of the police is to arrest people. They are allowed to lie to you to gain your confidence. At their sole discretion they can "interpret" you body language and take you down. They have full control over you..full.
Everything else you tell to the judge after a night in jail .... the cops job is arrest. Period.
Good points. As to someone slamming our honorable veterans, much as New Yorkers have a reputation for being rude, its not quite the same as a war zone with an armed enemy.
"Boss control" is the solution. Obviously, it's the former Bosses fault. He should never have been walking there in front of the Empire Sate Blgd.
I say we ban all Bosses. Without bosses, this vicious crime would never have happened.
"Boss control" to stop this senseless killing.
The reality of this most unfortunate incident:
Shooter number 1, Mr. Johnson, carried a Spanish .45 that was capable of holding 7 rounds (reported as 8 yesterday)
The Star PD is a compact .45 ACP that has a magazine with a 6 shot capacity, + 1 chambered round = 7 rounds
Mr. Johnson reportedly shot the victim three times, but he discharged 5 rounds. The initial report from the eye witness walking next to Mr. Johnson's victim, who knew both of them, was that Mr. Johnson fired his first round into the man's chest. It is likely that he fired 4 more rounds as he lay on the ground, strking him 2 more times in the head / face.
Counting? That's 7 - 5 = 2 rounds left in his gun.
The police found one round left in the magazine, and ejected one round from the chamber.
How many shots did Mr. Johnson fire into the crowd? That answer would be zero, zilch, nada.
How many shots did Mr. Johnson fire at the police? That answer would be zero, zilch, nada.
The poorly trained cops, who are posted on anti-terrorism duty by the Empire State Building, fired, not 14 but 16 rounds at Mr. Johnson (in WSJ today)
They hit Mr. Johnson 7 times. That leaves 9 rounds zipping through the crowded streets of Midtown Manhattan at rush hour.
They were 6 to 8 feet away, two of them blazing off rounds. Mr. Johnson never returned fire, and they missed more than half the time, killing him in a "hail of gunfire" (NYPD description). The end result was that the police shot 9 bystanders. While 6 have been released, we have heard nothing of three that are still in the hospital.
Let's see how Mike Bloomberg spins this into "heroes" defending us from life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and describes how second amendment rights should be repealed, because the police keep us safe. Nothing against the cops, but they clearly were not well trained, the terrorist hysteria and militarization of police forces is probably a good causal back drop, and the several descriptions using the phrase "collateral damage" are Orwellian at best. Such a phrase only makes sense if we are at war and this is a war zone, and the participants include enemy combatants.
One round, the fellow would have been down, two done for. One round from someone not in uniform would have been childs play. As someone said yesterday, good thing the cops do not carry full auto weapons.
Mr. Mayor, guns on the street are not safe and your police force has proven this without a shadow of a doubt. If you hear gunfire in New York, stay as far away from the cops as is humanly possible. If you carry to protect yourself and those around you, don't get caught, since you will almost certainly be unable to attain a carry permit in the city.
Yep, the beat cops guarding places like the Empire State Building aren't the "back alley" brand cops. They arent given enough gun play time and unions keep just about anyone who makes it through the academy "on the force".
Bloomberg is just another lib/progressive in wolf clothing, just like most of the ZH'rs arent really libertarians but ignorant anarchists who will run behind those very same cops the first time they hear a shot.
As for your one shot down, second is all that is needed for confirmation. Well that's just ignorance talking.
Ok Sargent Slaughter. 16 rounds? Shear panic. And a good question is, if they're not trained properly, why are they carrying at all? Blaming it on the unions may be true but is not sufficient.
In your expert view, how many rounds would they need to fire? The guy was not a Chechen high on amphetamines wielding an AK. The officers feared for their own safety and fired with blatant disregard for the crowd. And weren't they wearing vests?
I dont think so. Your analysis is just plain wrong.
Fine shot analysis. You more than kind concluding that, " Nothing against the cops, but they clearly were not well trained, the terrorist hysteria and militarization of police forces is probably a good causal back drop, and the several descriptions using the phrase "collateral damage" are Orwellian at best.
There needs to be a very clear recognition that cops today are not the cops of the 1950's. Todays cops are specifically trained in counter terrorism ans since the passage of the NDAA all US Citizens in the eyes of the police are potential terrorists. They know they have UNLIMITED power to subdue you and what video doesn't show you is while the suspect is on the ground with a knee in his back just how much resistence is he puting up compared to the cops continued increaseing pressure while crying ( for the cameras sake) "quite resisting"
Don't go near cops, don't talk to the cops. They're gonna get you anyway. We now live in an unfettered police state.
Not to worry. Next time a predator drone will drop a smart bomb on the perp. This should solve the problem of the camera recording this embarrassing incedent. </sarc.>
Fat and overpaid police and firemen feel guilty about the largess our Socialist society bestows on them .... they over react in a heated rush to cleanse their guilt and justify the public expense !
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What a festival of bull shit you throw. Beat cops,killer cops ...fuck the cops. I have said it before. New cops are signed up out of the military, where as you point out that for the soldier shooting a weapon is a sub conscious act...
Well fuck that. We don't need herds of PTSD cops firing on civilians although since the NDAA none of us are civilians with rights, we're all just potential terrorists to the fuck'n cops, so they shoot first, go back to the station and hoot it up in the locker room.
How many of those cops had police records? We know that 4,000 plus Homeland Goons have records. Who sanctions this?
The cops are no longer here to "Protect and Serve", they are here to use whatever force necessary to keep us in line and the Bill of Rights be damned<strong>
The natural outcome of the breakdown of American society is for all of the police and military to be armed to the teeth, and to have a citizenry disarmed, terrified, and obedient as they dutifully waddle into the Walmarts with their food stamps. Remember, it's all for your "safety" even as the country goes bankrupt.
And believe me, you're guns aren't going to help you. Good luck shooting at men in uniform, you will be dropped like a cigarette or sent to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
Unstable condition,
A symptom of life,
Of mental and environmental change.
Atmosphereic disturbance,
The feverish flux
Of human interface and interchange.
The impulse is pure;
Sometimes our circuits get shorted
By external interference.
Signals get crossed
And the balance distorted
By internal incoherence.
-Rush
We all know why this shit happens. We do and it has nothing to do with the guns, or bullets or the politics or beliefs.
All just Incidental.
These flashes of violence are telling us something about ourselves. This is the "check engine" light on the dashboard of society, or steam gushing from under the hood if you're more pessimistic than I?
But, we all know this already, right?
No, probably not. There will be more of this because far too few actually pay attention to these warning signs. The endless bickering over guns and the economy and the misleading human interest aspect MSM is queuing up presently is all we will pay attention to. Not a conspiracy, just a reflex.
But I know what I want to do about this and I don't know how all at the same time. I guess that makes me part of the problem. I alone do not know how to fix what's wrong under the hood, but I'll try and do my part. With every person I get a chance to connect with, whatever the circumstances, I will try and do my part.
It is the wise person who recognizes he DOESN'T have all the answers.
The fact that most of the posts on this subject are people dead-certain they know the solution to every problem, you see the issues we've got as a species.
We really are doing the best we can. This really is the best of all possible worlds.
The shooter killed his ex-boss who fired him. Could it be that he was fired because the economy has been destroyed by those inhabiting offices a few blocks further downtown in Manhattan? Maybe he was simply a bad or incompetent employee. But IMO more likely is that he was a victim of people like Jamie and Lloyd and Jon and Timmy and Ben. My guess - this guy chose the wrong part of town, and the wrong target.
Oh, and all those stray shots by the cops - they would have had a much better chance of hitting someone worth hitting in a Wall Street crowd. Who knows, maybe even a limo or two would have gotten in the way. Just sayin ... if you're going to provoke the cops into spray & pray, choose the right venue.
How about the people who enable said cockroaches on Wall Street? What does it say about the RNC when it will nominate a common wall street douche-bag to be the Republican candidate for POTUS? Not much imho. Not like Obama is any different. Remember all his speeches about Main Street vs Wall Street? what a fuckin' LOAD.
Why do WE allow PRIVATE clubs like the RNC to decide who will be a presidential candidate? The PEOPLE should decide. It's beyond belief. No wonder the status quo always wins while the people lose.
*****MA delegates asked to sign affidavit that they will vote for Romney*****
http://www.dailypaul.com/235514/what-should-they-do-ma-delegates-must-si...
In my town there are zero supporters for Romney or Obama. I am NOT exaggerating. Only Ron Paul For President signs everywhere. Yet when I looked at the headline of a newspaper from the nearby big city, it said the race was close...Romney 46%...Obama 45% or something like that. And of course not a word about Paul.
< X-flies theme>
Somethings gone terribly wrong!
I think they are making it all up!
Who are the active candidates for POTUS in 2012?
According to Opensecrets.org the following are:
Mitt Romney
Barack Obama
Virgil Goode
Jill Stein
Randall Terry
and......drumroll....ron...rrr...GARY JOHNSON!
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/summary_active.php
WTF,and this is from Open Secrets.... "The Center for Responsive Politics"
Yeah RIGHT!
Wake up your neighbors and family before it is too late....No it's NEVER too late.
I saw an early article that said the shooter and his former boss had accused each other of sexual harassment, there was another dynamic at work here.
Chik-ee-file Rahm CNN Reports 8 Shot in NYC, Overlooks 19 Shot in Chicago http://shar.es/76Ajq via @sharethis
suicide by police... Falling Down
Did I hear you say that something like 9 of the "stray" bullets which hit innocent bystanders were from the COP GUNS? Geeze, I think that these moron cops that can't hit the target at 9 or 10 feet shoul be "discharged". I'm sorry, but if you can't hit center mass at 25 feet, we have NO USE FOR YOU!!! For cryin' out loud, these turds who get all the FREAKIN TRAINING in the world can't hit a guy who's fumbling his 45 cal .... then we got freakin idiots on the force, and they need to be summarily discharged. GET ME COPS THAT CAN AT LEAST SHOOT!!! These guys are worse than Barney Fife.
A rigorous and permanent on going assessment of all entitlements and public employment .... which honestly takes into account all the perks and privileges and pay and retirement .... must be undertaken .... so that never again our servants become our masters .... as they are now ! Arrogant statist bastard bubble must be popped ! All government < 10% GNP .... Constitutional Amendment !
THAT IS THE SURE WAY TO RID OF THOSE "USELESS EATERS."
If an engineer designed a coal burning steam engine where the governor (regulator) consumed 50% of the coal .... he'd be fired !
Is this a case where according to the militarized police protocol everyone in the vicinity is automatically a suspect, and therefore the police are justified to shoot them all?
If it's heroic to do it overseas, then ...
Shoot first, ask questions later!
according to the militarized police protocol everyone in the vicinity is automatically a suspect, and therefore the police are justified to shoot them all?
eyes agree.
dis evildoers bystandererors looked suspecious to me day cud have been a muslamic irenien hit mossad squad wes cannot afford to take chances just look at herr predent hilter of germany der jewish folks were nice to him and he killed um all dead every last cotton pickin one nun servived day all died.
if der police just killed everyone den we wood not have dis tyerror problem godamit
Dag nabbit. yur not tony wilson.
http://tinyurl.com/2tnf7q
They were SIX FEET AWAY from the guy and emptied their guns at him, missing at least NINE TIMES? These cops need to be removed from the force for PUBLIC SAFETY!
I doubt that the police will show much interest in the shooting since the only people that were shot were ordinary slaves. It’s not like they shot someone important like a TSA worker.
Perhaps they could be assigned to protect and serve “Bloomberg,” himself; after all, they’re making his case (good examples) for gun control.
what a mess
they just made the drones look good
Hence the policy of Fill the air with Lead.............
How come fucking cops always seem to be able to bring down somebody's dog with just one round?
Bloomberg should enforce his views on gun control by limiting arms among his keystone cops
all police every where are thug criminals, many of them fancying themselves as skinhead nazi enforcers.
this police murdering episode follows on the heels of the saginaw michigan police thugs who murdered a mentally ill man wielding a knife. 6 thugs couldn't manhandle a mentally ill homeless man so they pumped him full of 30 bullets in 5 seconds, as you do when you are a nazi punk.
a few years ago in atlanta, a judged conspired with a police thug to grant a search warrant on a 92 year old black woman who was "suspected" of dealing drugs. the police saw that she had a rusted out useless revolver so they slammed down the door and pumped her full of 22 bullets, as you do when you are over powered by decrepit feeble 92 year old grandmother.
fuck the police - they are your enemies and enforcers of nazi rule.
If one of those wounded had been a major Wall Street magnate, Bloomberg would be Paraguay by now. As it is, sounds like he's trying to downplay the glaring fact that NYPD are not taught to protect the "little people." Seems that the NYPD really is Wall Street's army; not public servants.
The NY Police need a reset. Or at least new attitude adjusters
Having personally stared down the barrel of a loaded AG-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3) held be a madman, I have no trouble understanding that the policemen panicked. This however, does not change the fact that they appear to have created a completely unnecessary confrontation in the middle of a busy street. WTF did they expect to happen?
http://www.secretnews-compact.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6917:report-soros-unloads-all-investments-in-major-financial-stocks-invests-over-130-million-in-gold&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50
Coming to a city near you:
NYPD, Microsoft Launch All-Seeing "Domain Awareness System" With Real-Time CCTV, License Plate Monitoring
"The DAS system is headquartered in a lower Manhattan office tower in a command-and-control center staffed around the clock by both New York police and "private stakeholders." When this reporter visited, seats were clearly designated with signs for organizations such as the Federal Reserve, the Bank of New York, Goldman Sachs, Pfizer, and CitiGroup."
double wow. PK Dick has got to be rolling on a bad acid trip in his grave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXeVgEs4sOo
you got to start to wonder how deep do his prophecies go?
he's been pretty dead on so far...
That is the script for the Matrix. And this well before computers were considered common technology.
Bloomberg is such a windbag. Mr Rich Know-It All here to save everyone from everything because he knows so much better. Maybe he should get his police department's sh*t together before he starts telling everybody what they have to do with their lives. This is the same douchebag who had the term limits rules changed so he can buy another four years in office. The laws don't apply to him; the laws apply to the little people.
when in doubt
shoot all of them ..
Keep in mind that in this country thousands,, perhaps tens of thousand of cops have prior felony convictions....this would extend to the expotentially increased number of agencies that have become a "necessity" in fighting terrorism in this country...the exact figures are almost impossible to compile.
Feel safe?
I'm surprised a prior felony conviction isn't a requirement to work for the mafia.
Then you put down the script and said: "Bullsh*t nobody would believe this crap".
It's just 'civilization' ... and its discontents ...
this is some serious bullshit right here
Zerohedge: Master of the run-on sentence.
Seriously, this looks like something out of a bad movie. Dude must have thought he was playing an FPS, he didn't even get behind cover.
There's no run-on sentence there. Grammar-Nazi fail.
Stylistically it could use some work.
So, if I understand this correctly...
Some wacko fired employee shoots 3 times and hits 3 times.
The highly trained NYC cops shoot 11 times and hits the target 1 or 2 times, but hit NON-targets 9 times?
Damn!
Don't these cops even watch movies or TV for training? Even untrained doofus writers know that if you have several cops on a scene like that, if they all start barking at the jerk, he'll be moving his vision left, right, all over the place, giving some cop a chance to take aim before he sprays bullets into the crowd. Sheesh!
NYC Cops should been trained to kill with one single bullett. My understanding is that they are trained to shoot low when there are civilians in the line of fire...OK, fine...but they still fucked up....
Did they even have to fire a single round?
They made the mistake of confronting the guy with police officers in uniform. The should have swarmed him from behind and tackled him to the ground...or they could have easily followed him around using the Google cameras...they could have taken him into custody and let that maggot rot in prison...
The fact that multiple cops had to fire 16 rounds to kill 1 criminal and wound 9 is maddening and sad....
I read an official report that stated the NYPD has over 600 "misses" per year on average. Never call 911 unless you want your friends, family, or yourself to be approached by trigger happy cops. This incident should be the "shots heard round the world" when it comes to citizens relying on cops for what citizens should be doing for themselves.
(Reuters) - In the aftermath of the recent shooting by innocent bystanders by NYPD, Mayor Mike Bloomberg issued a statement demanding the disarming of all police.
"This is a terrible tragedy, made even more tragic by the negligent acts of the policemen. Every day, the police bring death and destruction through gun violence. As a group, they are the single largest contributor to the public health epidemic of gun-related mortality and morbidity."
Mike Bloomberg doesn't want to disarm the police.
Mike Bloomberg wants you to do what he says, shut up, and deal with it. Don't smoke. Don't drink Big Gulps. Don't bring illegal guns into our city.
And, he wants everything happening in the city recorded on videotape...
This all with the goal of health and safety.
Somehow I feel less safe and want to smoke twice as many cigarettes when he is in office...
Well, I'm sure government statistics show that more people die from trans fats and second hand smoke than stray police rounds, right? ;)
If the taxpayers didn't have to pick up the tab it wouldn't matter to anyone how many big gulps or how much salt you consumed. Get the hell out of my wallet and I could care less what you do!!! In other words "Pay Your Own Way"!!!!
This incident is going to embolden bank robbers throughout the city. The existence of NY's Finest is no longer a deterrent to crime. Hiding in plain sight has taken on a whole new meaning.
What makes a cop want to be a cop mkaes a cop dangerous to begin with.
A few years ago some young punks stole my wifes car in the middle of the night. The car was pulled over shortly... after running a stop sign. The thiefs "almost ran over an officer" as they made a break for it in our car ( after pulling over). Minutes later the police were at our residence after tracing the vehicle, the cops were all pumped up because "one of theirs" was almost hit by our car. They treated me and my wife like criminals for allowing our car to be stolen while we slept, it was as if we were the criminals. We were interrogated in our home ( half asleep ) .... No apology necessary when an officer is almost hurt.
From the Bastard Barack Obama on down .... we are dealing with a government more arrogant, selfish and unjust than that which we fought in the War of Independence .... when the Tea Party's over .... we need a revolution against our own government !
There are plenty of false narratives these days, but that is no excuse for intellectual sloth, for substituting a false meta-narrative that the credulous immediately adopt as truth. The fact that the cops shot people was reported in the media the same day of the shooting--it was on drudge for pete's sake. Now police ballistics have proved it, the police admitted it.
Where exactly did this supposed 'media friendly' narrative come from? Is this whole 'paranoid friendly narrative' in the article based solely on "Kelly first said..."? There is no cover-up. As the cops say, "Move along folks, there is nothing to see here..."
PS. I recall an incident where a driver was driving toward a cop during a traffic stop. The cop emptied his entire glock magazine at the windshield and never hit the driver. So, lots of shots and misses is not to be unexpected.
Also, I am reading many british media outlets these days. They do a better job of covering america than american media outlets do. And as socialistic as they are, they are a bit sour on obama these days.
Bloomie said: Some victims might have been shot by police in the shoot out. MSM didn't report facts on the ground at first, they reported the briefing narrative as fact. Bloomie should let the top cops do such briefings anyway, that's their job, instead of micromanaging.
There was no shoot out and all the victims were definitely shot by police. Perp never fired at all. Without those videos available to the public there might not have been any truthing of what really happened.
But I do take your excellent point there was no grand cover up. I also like the Brit outlets very much. Telegraph and Mail online can be very good. Guardian, way lefty, but can come up a zinger once a month.
Bully I saw news reports that were trying to pin all the shots on the murdered guy.
The police murdered this guy. Unemplooyed, disgruntled, pissed. Now dead.
Very simple, they murdered him, they should have been able to stop any potential assault by him without using 12 bullets.
Disgusting.
Gun bans don't work cuz cops can't be everywhere... or hit anything?
Now that Bloomie has broken the ice for 10:1 collateral damage ratios he has a green light to demand NYC be given predator drones. Bloomberg shouldn't even be regulating soft drinks and restaurants for illegal salt running, but he can't seem to stop himself.