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Watch The Ron Paul "Plan To Restore America" Press Conference Live

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And from denial, or the comic and alcoholic, we shift to far more important things, such as acceptance, and actually dealing. Earlier we discussed the broad strokes about the imminent announcement by Ron Paul of his Plan to Restore America. Next, watch live as the Texan reveals the details of the only plan that has any sense of making even remote sense from a mathematical standpoint: start time 6pm EDT / 3pm PDT.


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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:03 | 1783171 redpill
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This guy is our only shot.


Money bomb on Wednesday.  Help him out, please.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:08 | 1783199 Little John
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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:16 | 1783224 Cynical Sidney
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before all public debts are settled i cannot vote for any candidate who promotes tax cuts who tries to end corporate repatriation tax. fiscal conservatism FTW!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:31 | 1783285 tarsubil
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The only way public debts can be settled is through printing. You cannot pay with taxes. Please try again.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:34 | 1783505 TheSilverJournal
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Exactly, what the US owes cannot possibly be payed back. Period. The best solution would be to default NOW and restructure our debt. It's either default and restructure or hyperinflate and hyperinflation is a total economic destroyer. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:01 | 1783561 trav7777
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ZOMG, RP has ONLY WHITE PEOPLE standing behind me.  Fuckin rayciss

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:12 | 1783593's picture

But I see some gyno-Americans. He's in good with them for obvious reasons.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:22 | 1783631 Jendrzejczyk
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Deeply funny.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:00 | 1783771 Cynical Sidney
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tarsubil, TheSilverJournal, spinone, AldousHuxley, Old Poor Richard:

I said 'before the debts are 'settled'', meaning paid back, restructured, default or whatever it takes whatever other means to erase that debt. cutting tax at this time with all the mounting debt, is the single most irresponsible thing lame fukcing baby boomers will do in their last act of desperation, it enrages our creditors, it enslave our youth, deprives their future and their children's future, and it denies the youth of equality of opportunity and equal employment, the youth are fukcing fed up!!! the youth didn't incur the debts, the previous generations did, so do the responsible thing, don't even think about tax cuts before all debts are settled bitAcheZ! ps if you don't believe in fiscal conservatism, you are scumbag you are as guilty as the banksters and FU!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:54 | 1783979 TheSilverJournal
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A default needs to be followed by much lower income taxes..preferably 0%. High taxes enslaves our youth, it deprives their future and their children's future, and it denies the youth of equality of opportunity and equal employment because all of that money that is taxed is being taken out of the private sector where it is used productively and put into the public sector where it is essentially wasted. How are the youth supposed to get jobs when the money used to create jobs is wasted by government?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:05 | 1784008 Cynical Sidney
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"A default needs to be followed by much lower income taxes..preferably 0%" exacto. your statement underscores the significance of settling the debt before we cut taxes, which i suggested.

"How are the youth supposed to get jobs when the money used to create jobs is wasted by government?" 2 points: 1. it's wasted by servicing that huge monstrosity we call debt 2. having massive public works programs (like what we did during the new deal) mitigate such effects. (it's kind of funny for a conservative to propose such but i'm not against it during times of difficulties as a measure to 'rewind' past wrongs).

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:13 | 1784201 pavman
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"2. having massive public works programs (like what we did during the new deal) mitigate such effects. (it's kind of funny for a conservative to propose such but i'm not against it during times of difficulties as a measure to 'rewind' past wrongs)."

This just prolonged the depression until *after* WWII, when Congress cut spending.  Plus, war really makes unemployment go down.  Maybe that's an option up for consideration for the unemployed youts.

If you didn't know there was conscription during WWII, then you should brush up on your histroy.  The volunteers did so in order to control at least some part of their destiny.  The brainwashing machine has been in full force for a long time in this regard, unfortunately.

The right solution is one of slashing big, 1950s government, combined with prosecution, imprisonment, and major fines on the fraudsters.  Too bad what most of them did was legal thanks to the slow degradation in legislation over the recent past.  Gotta love Democracy... no one ever gets their head lobbed off in retribution because no one can be blamed.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:37 | 1784219 Cynical Sidney
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pavman breathe a little i know history as well as anyone and i agree with what you said. like i stated above, it's to 'rewind' past wrongs. during the hoovervile years, the president had a full reserve banking proposal on the table, glass stegall came out of it, and all kind of other legislation to curb financial fraud. these kind of plans are not even being considered today. what's being considered? bailouts, expect more bailouts lay in store for us. we can ill afford to slash big fed govt right now, we need to settle our debts first. think of the consequences, you slash big govt down to size, there will be either 1. civil war 2. world war. take ur pick n digest that for a while

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:59 | 1784683 TheSilverJournal
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You do have a point that deficit spending is probably worse than taxing and spending. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:59 | 1783992 wisefool
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negation (perfect application of rule 5. "two guys to a fight.") the debt is the replacement for voyeurs who are not sure if they had the opportunity to implement the real golden rule. Or sarcastically participate in cheating on the tax code and then getting to be head of the treasury.

The nation has a real choice in 2012. I'll vote for the guy who is not in it for any more money than the next guy.

Welcome to fightclub Sidney. Be aware that I am advocating for a format change.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:33 | 1784050 Cynical Sidney
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;) it's either format change or revolution.

i'm young i'm full of spirits (literally), i have very little wealth and even fewer debt. my position in the market is pretty much aligned with other youths. i'm going to have debtors settle their bad debts or i will become the personification of project mayhem. this is my great war, this is my great depression, and this is my life that will define me. i'm gonna show lou and other irresponsible fcuks that this is my house this is my country. i'm jack's wasted life, i'm one short step away from hitting bottom and i can hit it faster than any billionaire financial criminal could. i shall not rest until i become jack's smirking revenge.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:52 | 1784091 wisefool
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Birds of a feather. I can not help you in the fights you have here untill the mods change over to to children of men memes from fight club (two guys to a fight) But what an old man can do is piss the rest off them off while you get your legs.

Herman cain is better than ron paul

  • I have fought the rediculus taxation code all my life. So has herman cain.
  • Herman cain is baby stepping the AARP who psychotically think that greesspan had the same nuiance that they had during the big box mall vs. face book/amazon revolution.
  • Michelle Bachmann is actually a farmers daughter who for the same reason above thinks that the tax code and school year should be modeled after a holocron she dug up that allows her 501c corp to decide gay vs. not gay.
  • Keynes and Hayak are both products of brutal, stinking, war. (Excellent discussion on bloomberg today 10/17/2001)
  • I dont know why they have not taken away WB7s access to the internet for photoshop updates, the same way they did it to timmay when he was doing turbo tax.
  • I am personally too dumb to pay my taxes properly. So do not listen to me. But if Herman Cain can fix the tax code quicker (politically) than Ron Paul can fix the Fed (he said today he would not end it) then ........ Sound money. Golden Rule.
Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:43 | 1784165 Cynical Sidney
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with regards wisefool: i don't think simplifying the tax code does any good, like i said those who wish to avoid tax would continue to operate in tax havens using anonymous bank accounts, non-profit donation scams, shell companies or other off balance sheet entities. herman cain sounds like a black methodist hypocrite he's out of touch with the youth and the left. for all intents and purposes there are but two republicans who can capture the black vote, namely Powell/Rice: proven leaders beyond their years with appeal to the left who are feeling being disenfranchised by barry, i strongly believe a powell/rice can carry gop to the top in 2012 over obama's reelection efforts; the hurdle being that there is very little collective desire to reacquire the service of black leaders short of right-wing fanatics. and speaking of herman cain, did you know he's black?!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:51 | 1784172 wisefool
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Why should we not simplify the tax code in the same way we dump simple palletes of money and/or bombs we dump on poor people?

Oil is black. The earth is flat. We can make any type of slave we want if we make sure they cant understand the system.

When I was younger. I was an engineer and a I could go toe to metaphorical toe with Jeff Emment on any exam related to Electical Engineering. He and Jack Welsh could kick my ass on the tax code. And that is why I fail. But G.E. Captiol will live forever.


Why does the tax code need to have 70,000+ pages?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:49 | 1784170 damage
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Herman Cain never saw the housing bubble Said everything was fine week before Fannie and Freddie blew up.

Has said auditing the fed is not needed, and you should just "call them up".


Also in the last debate he said ALAN GREENSPAN did an excellent job!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:54 | 1784176 wisefool
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Ron Paul Said today 10/17 that he would not end the fed. Check your ZH links.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:09 | 1784183 damage
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Not end it immediately. But introduce competition. Herman Cain would not do such a thing, and you know it.


You can't end it overnight, he is being realistic. Herman Cain would  veto any full audit and any attempt to allow competition.


Competition would eventually kill the fed, or force them to provide sound money if they want to survive.


Herman Cain is a clueless twit, and is a puppet of the Federal Reserve. Please, go troll someplace else. It isn't like you are going to convince anyone on ZH to like Herman Cain.


Also, Herman Cain betrayed the Fair Taxers, he'll hit us with both an income tax and a sales tax... then once the dems have another super majority they will european style VAT tax us and raise the income tax. He wants nothing other than to put the IMF squeeze on us so the bankers can milk us into oblivion for the interest.


And another thing... Ron Paul REALLY wants to simplify the tax code. END the federal income tax. The 0-0-0 Plan. Not the $9.99 Pizza clueless Art Laffer plan, who also laughed at those who said there was a bubble.


Let me guess, you're one of those suckers who gets sold lemons by used car salesmen?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:00 | 1784186 redpill
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He said he would not end it overnight. Which is obvious. It would need to be done through Congressional legislation anyway. Check your Ron Paul links.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:10 | 1784198 wisefool
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To the both of you and with respect to tyler durden and WB7.

I think WB7 should carry the torch for now. Meaning they cant print money for fun. They need a fractional-fractionale=tax system for some schleb like bernake to push the button. Tax revenue is the only touch point they have. Too many cheats and given the current geopolitical climate (the only reason europe has a problem is because greek people dont pay tax, if they did we'd have a bernake in Europe)

Cain=Force Recon for Europe (tax code)


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:17 | 1784200 damage
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Cain = Bought Puppet of the Federal Reserve who became a candidate to sell books and get a television show on FOX News.


Paul = Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson.


Also, I have no clue what you were even trying to say really. It didn't even make any sense.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:53 | 1784235 wisefool
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I am an idiot but the op needed a tap out. When Tyler changes the rules of the republic then you can bury me.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 04:01 | 1784336 JB
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Fed contract expire 12/31/12?

If that's the case, it's pretty simple to end the Fed: don't renew the contract.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:25 | 1784582 damage
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That is a myth there is no sunset provision.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 12:19 | 1785595 Phil Free
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Current law (United States Code, 12 U.S.C. § 341) has the FED operating in perpetuity, and can only be dissolved by an act of Congress, or "forfeiture of franchise for violation of law."


[the FED's 20-year charter was changed to perpetual by the Act of Feb. 25, 1927 (44 Stat. 1234)]

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:34 | 1784063 Freddie
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The majority of the youth voted for the Muslim in 2008.  Dumb move and it looks like they have not learned anything. Dumb f*cktards.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 02:21 | 1784263 AldousHuxley
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So all the boomers wanted SARAH PALIN the alaskan retard as VP? yeah, she is so smart. and heartless McCain I ditched my wife who waited for me during Vietnam when she got in a car accident for a newer model with more money (Christian family values in BEER distribution money, legalized bootlegging) so I can run for Congress because 2 generations of Navy connections still couldn't get me a good career in the Navy because I was so dumb I guy as the President?

The guy part of "Keating Five" Savings and Loan scandle is goign to hold wall st. accountable?

Christians are the retards who got hoodwinked by GW Bush who ended up exploiting their sons to be killed in war for oil so Dick can get richer and left America in ruins. Half of debt is Bush's wars and tax cuts for the ultrarich.

The problems is choice of candidates and bribing of anyone who is in position of power thanks to old fucktard idiots like you letting it happen all these years. Now the youth are going to have to clean shit up.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 03:09 | 1784311 Cynical Sidney
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dittos. baby boomers are mostly hypocrites and parasites who lacks souls. the inconsistencies between their talks n their action poisoned politics in the US and destroyed our wealth. boomers overleveraged everything vapor thin thusly depriving the future of our youth, their children and their children's children. This is the time when the youth need the tools to unwind bad transactions, turn back bad debts, and restructure faulty contracts. the youth can't even find a job at this time, why are we punishing the youth for debts they did NOT incur? why should the youth pay for some fat bureaucrat's pension fund? or some collapsed ponzi scams? there is no logic for it, baby boomers need to do the responsible thing and settle the debts or at least give the youth what's needed to settle it. we cannot tolerate generational warfare! the youth needs equality of opportunity so they can have a fighting chance in the competitive economy.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 06:05 | 1784380 pelican
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Good post.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:51 | 1783973 Pitchman
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Snatch the presidency.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:02 | 1783722 swamp
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And Obama has only black people around him and voting for him even though they are 13% of the population. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:49 | 1783812 AldousHuxley
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It doesn't even matter who is voting for whom.

The question is, why are suckers even voting? Do they think their vote even matters? Government puppets will do whatever Rockefeller's CFR tells them to do.


If you want to make a difference blow up CFR while rockefeller male heirs are present because they are the princes of the world.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:35 | 1783787 porrannor
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It wasn't his choice. that's because all black people are standing behind Obama...... He is not racist, they are...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:42 | 1783804 JPM Hater001
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trav7- you might be the biggest moron ever. 

I have adjusted your name to properly reflect your IQ.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:40 | 1783926 Pitchman
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Yo Trav 777.  That sped redin clas dun you gdd. 

Ws thos poepl standen bhind yous o wasn thay standen bhind RP?

Yall git yoo whiet shiets reddy fo ta big meaten nest saterday ya heer.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:27 | 1787369 Republicae
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How utterly dumb! Ask a few of the friends of Dr. Paul is he is anything close to a racist, like Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or perhaps you should ask Nelson Linder if Ron Paul is a rascist, that is if you even know who Nelson Linder is or for that matter who the other two men I mentioned are. Again, how dumb can you be?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:51 | 1783972 beatus12
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Declare bankruptcy and just get it over with! Enough said.

We will all survive and humbly rebuild.


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:44 | 1785068 Republicae
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It is impossible to pay a debt obligation with a debt obligation. Fiat money is a legal notification of a debt obligation and hence, a debt obligation cannot be fulfilled with an I.O.U.! Therefore, the entire system is completely bankrupt and cannot be salvaged; as with all fiat money substitute systems they eventually fail and gold/silver must be reinstituted as tender.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:55 | 1783367 bxy
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government has proven to be phenominal fiduciaries of our money.  I think they should take all of our wealth and then dole out a little back to us as they see fit.......If you are a child and need a government parent that is your problem and I feel for you, but most intelligent americans prefer to be adults....even the unintelligent, uneducated get this.....I would recommend some psychotherapy.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:54 | 1783703 AldousHuxley
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It is not just the government who is ripping off Americans....


How about this man selling shareholders and employees out?


El Paso CEO Douglas Foshee Set for $95 Million in Exit Pay

That is in addition to $8M per year compensation.

Prior to joining El Paso, Mr. Foshee served as Executive Vice President and COO of Halliburton Company having joined that company in 2001 as Executive Vice President and CFO.


and a member of the Board of Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:08 | 1783417 spinone
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No country takes on this kind of debt with the expectation of ever paying it back.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:03 | 1783724 AldousHuxley
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ponzi scheme do not need to be paid back. Just need more suckers.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:20 | 1783757 FEDbuster
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Ron Paul won't win support by telling Americans that they are broke, that we need to default and that collapse is near.  In other words, Americans don't like the truth.  They want to be lied to, told everything is under control, jobs will come back to America, etc...  Americans don't think the boat is sinking until their feet get wet, and even then they think there is still hope. Ron Paul would need to be elected Emperor in order to do what needs to be done.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:04 | 1783840 AldousHuxley
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That's why I encourage everyone to vote for Palin or Bachmann. they will really fuck up America. Probably KGB Putin will invade America. Then all the idiots praying and hoping will learn the lessons the hard way their grandparents learned from the Great Depression.


Greed was the forbidden fruit Adam and Eve messed with and the result was end of immortality.




Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:02 | 1784190 FEDbuster
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Palin is not going to run, and Bachmann will drop out.  The race will be a close one between Romney and Obama.  It doesn't matter which one of those two win, it's heads you lose, tails you lose. 

Hasten the Collapse, Obama/Romney 2012

I'll take a hyper inflationary or deflationary depression over WW3.  The banksters like a good world war, so look for the endless wars in the Middle East to heat up this year (Iran vs. Israel should be enough to get things going). 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:55 | 1784101 Freddie
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The morons love being to 24x7 by TV and hollywood.  If you watch - you support them.  I bet ZH has plenty of dumb f**kks who love their TV. Loads watch CNBC like morons.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:34 | 1784215 pavman
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CNBC blows.  I can't stand their videos.  And when I complain about the noise they like to throw in there like its Monday Night Football all I get is circular logic and redundant idiocy.  What the fuck is wrong with people these days?  Is there some moron juice in the water?!

Seriously, circular logic is becoming a real problem.  I even had an issue w/ google's support where the tech basically had two answers, neither of which solved the problem and one actually pointed to the other as a solution.  But he couldn't comprehend the problem or what I wanted.  It blows my mind.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 09:07 | 1788410 Republicae
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Under a fiat monetary regime there is no real "payment of debts", since there are no asset values to the currency. Each Federal Reserve Note is nothing more than a debt obligation, so to pay a debt obligation with another debt obligation is a legal impossibility, it is simply trading one form of debt for another. There is no money behind fiat currency, only promises to pay, and the promises just keep stacking up and up and up.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:15 | 1783444 Old Poor Richard
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You're missing the big picture and focusing on your own bugaboo. 

In the current spending environment, when Dr. Paul ISN'T currently in the White House, I also support trying to balance the budget with keeping the repatriation tax and even forcing repatiration, and support 1-for-1 tax increases for spending decreases.

But when President Paul cuts federal spending by $1 Trillion dollars, we can afford tax cuts and even tax repeals.  That is the right direction, cut taxes and cut spending more to have a surplus and pay down the debt.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:06 | 1783843 Cynical Sidney
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"cut taxes and cut spending more to have a surplus and pay down the debt."  ?? krugmanomics ?? 1 trillion expenditure cuts vs 70trillion+ in future big deal! bugaboo indeed...not!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:33 | 1787380 Republicae
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Future unfunded liabilities are, in part, simple estimates based on certain criteria, part of which is based upon present obligations, if present obligations are changed, it they are reduced, then the future unfunded liabilities will also change, hopefully being reduced. The thing about future unfunded liabilities is that if things are not handled quickly in the present, then we needn't worry about future liabilities of this government, there will be no such liabilities due to a complete collapse of the economic, political and social systems in this country.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 23:46 | 1787809 Cynical Sidney
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is that your portrayal of a global ponzi or is that the justification thereof?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:32 | 1783907 azusgm
Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:25 | 1783236 iDealMeat
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If RP wants any form of a shot at POTUS or some media attention. He needs to dump the party and go solo.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:31 | 1783286 redpill
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The only people that get ignored in politics more than Ron Paul are third parties.  Sorry.  

Ron Paul already ran for President once as a Libertarian.  Did you know that?  Most folks don't, because the media doesn't pay attention to anyone that doesn't have a (D) or (R) after their name.

To win in a national election you must work through one of the two major parties these days, unfortunately.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:46 | 1783323 iDealMeat
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Ron Paul already ran for President once as a Libertarian.  Did you know that?


I did..  I do like the guy. I remember Ross Perot making some sense too..


If Ron Paul were to take the TEA Party over to a FED building and discuss what he knows about that institution for his Press Conference then I'd vote for him..  If I even bother to vote this time.


How bout at least ending every one of his interviews with a subtle "END the FED" comment..

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:14 | 1783601's picture

The man literally wrote the book on "End the Fed."

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:13 | 1783746 AldousHuxley
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 "Fuck the Fed" OWS chant at Boston Occupy

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:49 | 1783964 Pitchman
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Now he is talking about phasing it out!  Whats up with that?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:29 | 1783775 Hacked Economy
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Gotta agree with Red Pill on this one.  I like RP too, even though I'm **still** not quite sure yet who I'm going to vote for (I'm still gathering info on everyone and eliminating them one by one from my list).  However, even though I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative, the Libertarian Party doesn't ring as clearly in the masses' minds as the other two main parties (R) and (D).  So, RP's running as a Republican this time.  I believe that his decision to have an (R) after his name, as well as the heightened fiscal crisis nowadays, is going to serve him a much better chance in 2012 than back in 2008.

The primaries are coming soon.  We'll all have to begin making our final choices...Bachmann?...Perry?...Romney?...

Meh.  They have their merits, but not enough to grab my vote.

I think RP would definitely lead the charge on "cleaning house" fiscally.  I'm just wondering how he'd lead if we were attacked on our soil again.  And let's not forget that our debts are already so astronomically high that there's really no mathematical way to pay them off without the "nuclear option" of massive inflation and money printing.  Ron Paul would inherit one heckuva mess if he got the Presidency.  But then again...SOMEONE's gonna get it, so it might as well be a person who will go in there fighting.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:56 | 1783826 JPM Hater001
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You're thinking Hacked and that's good.  Let me check off the other candidates:

Romney - Liberal slob asshole.  No real substance or understanding of why we are where we are.  He thinks governement can do things to fix this.

Perry - Conservative slob asshole.  No real substance or understanding of why we are where we are.  He thinks governement can do things to fix this.

Cain- Former FED GOV.  Nough said.

Bachman- Solid VP choice.

Gingrich- He actually is unelectable.  Makes sense too but unelectable.  Baggage.

Santorum- Sounds too much like sanitariaum

Did I miss anyone?  No, not really...

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:53 | 1784236 Peter_Griffin
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LOL @ Bachman as a solid VP choice. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:59 | 1783831 tekhneek
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The database you submit your vote into will happily be "hacked" to favor whichever candidate TPTB decide.

Thank you for playing. Please try again.

I don't mean to be perma-cynic here but ... as someone else has pointed out: If your vote truly mattered, they would have already taken it away from you. I'm voting for Ron Paul but I'm doing it for peace of mind so I can sleep at night. Not because I think it will make a difference. It's a psychological thing for me at this stage.

Suspension of disbelief I suppose.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:21 | 1784043 Nobody special
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Truth hurts, but that doesn't change the facts.  It's sad truth you speak.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:42 | 1784078 AustriAnnie
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I think you are (sadly) right Tekhneek.

But I think the fact that he is getting people's attention and encouraging people to reject the two-party lesser-of-two-evils option is worth something, even IF the actual vote is manipulated.  What happens in people's minds matters even if the vote tally-up doesn't have a result that favors RP.

RP always voted on principle, even if he was the solitary vote.  You are just following his tradition, and I think that is admirable.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 02:52 | 1784288 A Nanny Moose
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I am of the same opinion. Voters don't win elections. Vote counters do.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:16 | 1784030 Jason_1sandal
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I think RP would definitely lead the charge on "cleaning house" fiscally.  I'm just wondering how he'd lead if we were attacked on our soil again.

Ron Paul wanted to go after Osama Bin Laden he introduced the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. Instead of going to war with a nation to apprehend Osama Bin Laden, a Marque and Reprisal would have been a declaration to find, and bring to justice Osama Bin Laden.

We don't have to go to war with a nation to apprehend a terrorist.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:41 | 1783325 Dane Bramage
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True that and, even now, they still often refer to him as the libertarian candidate... there was a recent press article montage that showed this (don't have link atm, little help plz?)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:41 | 1783326 Mark123
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Ross Perot ran as a 3rd party candidate. His only problem as an independent was fighting the corrupt media which quickly branded him as a insane, unstable nut-job.  Even after all the coordinated attacks he still got 20% of the vote.

Ron Paul is a great man...much more so than Ross Perot I think.  Americans need to sink further before they abandon the controlled 2 party system.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:33 | 1783292 tarsubil
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I'm voting for Ron no matter what. And he is the only guy I'm voting for. I'm writing in Fuck You for every senate and house seat. Whether he wins as a Republican or not is up to Republicans.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:15 | 1783442 myne
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You might want to check the consequences of that. Here in Oz, that vote would not be counted.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:36 | 1783508 whstlblwr
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I'm not crazy about budget plan. Still keeps huge defense spending, weak protection for clean air and water, no protection from financial exploiters, says wants to repeal all financial regulation, so nothing about Glass-Steagall.

Need to hear more from him how will he deal with exploiters?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:17 | 1783610's picture

Exploiters will not be propped up or bailed out. Problem solved.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:13 | 1784024 azusgm
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Actually he has repeatedly advocated for prosecution under fraud statutes.

Prison time for financial criminals, what a concept.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:46 | 1784081 AustriAnnie
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Yes, fraud and other forms of theft are already illegal (private property, and so on).  What he wants is to remove the protections which exempted banksters from those laws in the first place.  As far as I understand him, anyway.  Would like to hear others' thought on that.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:07 | 1783844 tekhneek
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/sarc on

Yeah. Totally agree.

Let's just remove a few trillion over the next... eh, decade. That'll... take care of the ... 17 trillion we add in the next 9 years...

What was the most recent calculation? 2.25 billion/hour? 162 billion in 3 days? Let's run rate this shall we...

At least he has a fucking plan.

/sarc off...


Tue, 10/18/2011 - 03:07 | 1784306 Peter_Griffin
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Ron Paul is a big advocate of personal responsibility, aka if you don't trust someone don't hand them your money.  Sound monetary policies by the government would negate the negatives of holding cash, and the way you grow your money would be up to you.  I agree with your complaint against defense spending and weak pollution regulation.  Some times Paul strikes me as an idealist when it comes to deregulation, he assumes Americans are much less ignorant than I see my fellow Americans as.  Right now we have (probably) millions of Americans complaining about our jobs going overseas, but they buy foreign made products all the time.  I think America has came to far to rely on the constitution as our laws, but wiping the federal slate clean, handing more responsibility to state/local governments, eliminating "corporatism", eliminating the wars, and ridding us of the monopoly money policies is enough to get me hard.  Doubt anyone will ever see their perfect president unless they are the president themselves, but Paul is a HUGE step in the (my) right direction.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:44 | 1784166 Ckierst1
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I sympathize tarsubil, but I would vote for Ron but not give anyone any grounds to dismiss my vote.  If the other candidates fail to meet your needs then simply don't vote for them or write someone else in (yes, it's essentially a waste of time but at least it's a respectable venue for a statement if you need to make one).  The Man needs support right now, not obscene statements, even if they are justified.  Save your spleen for when the collaborators are flushed out.  Win it first!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 07:57 | 1784493 tarsubil
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Yeah, you're right. I'm just very bitter about all the work I did last election and the letters I sent my congressmen being a complete waste of time considering the way the machine works.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:56 | 1783373 bxy
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do you even know what classic liberalism and actual conservatism is???????????  Open a book, or try this Google or Wiki thing.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:04 | 1783726 swamp
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So Google and the Reader's Digest of the internet are the authorities on the subject? lol

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:06 | 1783407 greenfire
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Agree with that +10 

I love this guy, if for no other reason, that the establishment is terrified of him. 

Help a reformed (probably not entirely) progressive out, though.  Of course I agree with his fiscal position, for the most part.  Setting his mild racism aside, tell me again how this utopian free market oft evoked here will keep all but the uber-wealthy from suffering horribly when the rivers burn, running with pollution and we're all choking on smog in a completely deregulated capitalist world with collapsing ecosystems.

Or does that even matter , or does everyone here just think that environmental problems are a myth? As a believer in peak oil, I could proably be convinced of the former, with the die-off taking care of the problem. But prepetual growth on a planet of finite resources - I'm not buying that. There seem to be some self-identified monetary wunderkind here, so educate me.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:31 | 1783489 Dick Fitz
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If I dump my garbage in your front yard, I've violated your rights. You have legal recourse to sue me.

If land, waterways, etc. were private, then any company that polluted the air, water, etc. (and damages could be shown- none of this "a little smoke from a car bullshit") then the company or person that did it would be liable. That would provide a check on pollution.

A large portion of the uber-wealthy have used gov't powers to get that way- favorable legislation, under-the-table bribes, etc. and in a free-market their powers would be greatly diminished.

Environmental problems are real, and serious (well, except for AGW myths) but they are exacerbated, not alleviated, by government control. It's the tragedy of the commons.

Read up on Dr Paul's alleged racism. You'll find it has been overblown, and what he HAS said that people call racist (like being scared of a group of young black men) is just a fact. If I walked into a room full of young black men in business suits, I wouldn't bat an eye. If I saw the same group in thug-wear walking down the street at night, I'd be (rightfully) scared. 50 years of gov't policy has destroyed the urban black family, and it is disgusting that young black men have a better chance of dying or going to jail than they do of getting a college degree. Young black men (and women) have a right to be angry- we just need to help them direct that anger at the responsible parties- the "limousine liberals" who have destroyed the urban family and made them dependent nihilists.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:40 | 1783520 whstlblwr
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I have legal recourse to sue you if you pollute my air and land, but they have trillions of dollar, I have $1000, who will win?

We still need some safeguard against the rich corporation.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:55 | 1783547 maddogs
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Problem is, as soon as Congress gets involved(safegaurds) the rich corporation wins... every time. There are no "safegaurds", only lobbied regulation.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:16 | 1783582 whstlblwr
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I agree, but how will Ron Paul deal with it, the unscrupulous corporation? I should have named it unscrupulous, not rich corporation. It's good to be rich and free with scruples.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:23 | 1783627's picture

He could start by appointing judges who are as ethical as he is. Those are the kind of judges a free market system of adjudication would produce (for the same reason that a pizza shop that makes great pie will thrive and one that makes a lousy pie will not). If you want to get decent judges out of a governmental system Ron Paul is just about your only hope.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:28 | 1783639 whstlblwr
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Okay, this will be long process, we have to elect the right congressmen and senators too, I hope some here are running.

We will have to accept discomfort while all this gets worked out. Because National Tea Party promotes Hong Kong as libertatian example. Anyone try breathe in Hong Kong?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:18 | 1783753's picture

Who gets hung up on what the "National Tea Party" says? I fly the Gadsden and I never heard of them.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:51 | 1784088 AustriAnnie
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A good part of the problem re: corporations is that it removes the individuals making decisions within the corporation from liability.  Ron Paul wants to remove the "corporation" structure behind which people hide, making decisions that they will not be responsible for because the liability is limited due to status as a corporation.

The property rights (and therefore pollution, etc) issues arise in a large part by the fact that corporations have immunity from the same legal action that an individual would face.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:31 | 1783497 Abiotic Oil
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We would go back to basic private property rights.  You cannot pollute another's property without their permission.  Violations of private property rights would be handled by the courts.

We want a capitalist world.  We do not want what we currently have, a corporatist world.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:05 | 1783573 john39
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the court system is as broken as congress.  when in the last time you sued a major corporation?  unless you have massively deep pockets, there is no way you can go toe to toe with a large corporation in the court system, they will crush you.   individuals don't stand a chance in that arena, and certainly can't afford it.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:42 | 1783673's picture

Well more big government is certainly not the cure for the problems created by big government. That seems obvious enough.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:17 | 1783750 AldousHuxley
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it doesn't matter the size of the government, but who controls it.


today you can choose from bribed judges or corporate arbitration companies whoare paid by the corporation you are going against.


Sooner are later, even the ultra rich billionares will realize corporations are the monster they created and this corporate beast is larger than any billionare.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:25 | 1783765's picture

Government is controlled by the people in the government. They do favors for money not because they are controlled but because they can exercise control and profit from doing so.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 02:41 | 1784280 buyingsterling
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Size (power/scope) is everything. You can't take money and influence out, you have to take the power out, take the size out. Big government never works.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:02 | 1784005 Pitchman
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That's the problem. Most Americans do not know what capitalism is.  Capitalism didn't wreck America, we wrecked capitalism. 

Capitalism is about a level playing field where competition can thrive.  It is not about privatized monopoly where corporate fascist determine all outcomes.

That is why J.D. Rockefeller a Monopolist said "Competition is a sin"

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:17 | 1783590 Bringin It
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Setting his mild racism aside ... Where are you getting that negativity from?  I think that's an inappropriate slur if you can't back it up.

About the burning river,  aka. the tragedy of the commons, good question.  I think the Libertarian approach would be to seek redress through the courts.

Among other drawbacks, War is bad for the environment.  The Fed enables war.  The wars we are currently engaged in would not be possible without The Fed pulling imaginary "wealth" out of the future.

The mal-investment that The Fed enables is bad for the environment.  Look at all the San Joaquin valley farm land now paved over with abandoned housing tracks.

Government is no solution w/o a major make-over.  The corrupt Fed system is a spreading cancer that captures/captured the Government.  In the same way the SEC does not police the markets because it serves the financial powers, the EPA doe not protect our environment.  Look at BP in the GOM, or the lack of Fukaskima guidance.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:37 | 1783651 whstlblwr
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Good examples.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:43 | 1783677's picture

You're right. The free market doesn't bombard people with depleted uranium.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:21 | 1783459 Old Poor Richard
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Dump the party & go solo?  Hell no.


Bullshit, this is talk from the Republican establishment.  Dr. Paul makes all other Republican candidates look like complete douches, as stupid as they are tyrannical. 

After the establishment knocks him out of the running, THEN he can go 3rd Party.  And not even HINT of it beforehand.  I support Dr. Paul as the only sane Republican running for President.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:16 | 1783606 High Plains Drifter
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i predict that is exactly what he will do.    then he will be just like teddy roosevelt and the bull moose party with similar results.....kind of like ross perot......

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:19 | 1783237 Stoploss
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Let 'em have it RP, were behind you 110% back home.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:24 | 1783253 Poor Grogman
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He has done more than even

Big Al Greenspan to bring the ponzi down...

Well done Sir I salute you.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:37 | 1783310 redpill
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A part of me always wondered if ol' Greenspan was trying to hasten the end...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:59 | 1783551 TheSilverJournal
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Maybe Greenspan is so fascinated with Atlas Shrugged that he wants to live to see the day when people start pulling John Galts so he did what he could to speed the beast up.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:53 | 1783700 mick_richfield
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That is certainly my theory.

His last words, on his deathbed, will be "I did it Ayn.  I did it for you."

They all became characters in the novel.  She was the guiding philosopher, and young Alan was the brightest of all her young men.

Crap.  He was Francisco D'Antonia.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:12 | 1783858 AldousHuxley
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In the end, Greenspan did all of us a favor.....he finally took Fed to the extreme and let Americans face reality.


yes you did Greenspan. You brought down the Fed!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 23:55 | 1784103 AustriAnnie
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Yes, that was the result, regardless of his intentions.  I like to think it was intentional rather than that he sold his soul.  We will never know.....

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:52 | 1784233 pavman
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I heard it hear in one of the comments many moons ago... I <3 conspiracy theories!  If it were true, it changes everything.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 02:52 | 1784290 buyingsterling
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Great stuff, true or not. Bix Weir says that in the 70s Greenspan created trading software that would allow the US to suppress the price of gold. He then (with help from Reagan) set about to destroy fiat by running it into the groud. A fed-produced comic book is part of the story. I find it appealing because I'm naive; it assumes that not everyone with their hands on the levers of power is a sociopath.

Most of the people in the highest levels of power aren't there because they're someone's stupid kid, most are there because they are brilliant. If we can see the monetary system for what it is, they can as well. Fiat is running aground, and if someone high up is pushing that along purposefully, that's good. It's even possible that the can kicking is being facilitated by those who want to see fiat pushed beyond any credibility, so that there's no risk of a relapse into another paper money system once this one breaks down.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:21 | 1783452 Getagrip
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He's fighting the fight, but up against folks that enjoy/depend on entitlements and a generation that has no idea about fiscal responsibility or real monetary wealth... 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:30 | 1783494 Poor Grogman
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One way or another those folks will learn.

RP offers a chance to make this transition in an orderly manner.

The other path is somewhat less orderly.

Status quo is no longer an option.

Prepare accordingly.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 08:49 | 1784651 Henry Chinaski
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Perhaps Ron Paul can help roll back government before it collapses under its own weight.

I got trashed for pointing out the paradox that if Ron Paul succeeds, PM prices will plummet.  I am fine with that, but it is a ZH paradox since gold bugs and Ron Paul supporters mostly intersect.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:28 | 1783265 Rastamann
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why would a libertarian need or beg for money? shouldn't he be lifting himself up by his own bootstraps?


oh wait, i forgot, all you libertarian (tea) beggars rely on the kindness of strangers and CHARITY (including intellectual charity)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:33 | 1783294 Poor Grogman
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Natural selection may be difficult for you initially.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:38 | 1783315 Rastamann
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ahhhh yes, social Darwinism.....the hallmark of every fascist regime.


so you and Hitler are in total agreement then....good....what other philosophical characteristics do you and your Fuhrer agree?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:52 | 1783358 Poor Grogman
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I speak of Natural selection I.e where the most adaptable prosper and those that can't adapt don't.

A simple concept which is almost opposite to Facism.

Nice try though pinhead.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:20 | 1783872 AldousHuxley
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Given the current environment, the most adaptable seems to be fat low culture ghetto mamas and baby daddies pumping out retarded useless kids. They are producing 2-3 times the rate of educated upstanding professional middle class who are about to get wiped out.


Please watch idiocracy the movie. They even predicted a black guy would become the president!


"Welcome to Cosco, I love you!"

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:33 | 1784150 HedgeCock
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That movie scared the Bejesus out of me.  Too real.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:09 | 1783584 damage
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What you fail to miss is, libertarians don't believe that you shouldn't form voluntary associations to help someone out or to reach a common goal. It is not socialism or fascism unless the government is forcing the communal activities. We believe both capitalist and communal activities should be voluntarily initiated, not initiated by the barrel of a gun.

You are the fascist and do not even realize it. This is why you got such a negative response from others, because it is obvious you have not educated yourself at all on libertarian ideology, yet you still try to criticize it, but it is just a strawman because what you're arguing against isn't what we believe.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:47 | 1783683's picture

Why do so many people have a problem understanding that free men have a right to interact with others voluntarily? It really blows my mind to know that there are people out there who dream about controlling others with every breath they take while murmuring, "It's all for their own good."

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:24 | 1783885 AldousHuxley
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because they learn "history" like this:

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 00:02 | 1784108 AustriAnnie
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"Why do so many people have a problem understanding that free men have a right to interact with others voluntarily?"

The richness of culture that is derived from voluntary association and voluntary charity/interaction is what many libertarians (there are some nutcases who are on the fringes, as with any group), believe in.  Many of the libertarians I know give large percentages of their income toward arts/scholarships/charity, etc.  What people do not seem to understand is that the right to freely associate and to freely give financially, is how those organizations that are truly most effective at helping society are lifted up.  

Freedom of association is what gives rise to true community, working together without threat of force.  The libertarian is not the one who stands alone and refuses to help someone out.  They are the ones that argue they should be free to decide who is most deserving of their help and to what degree, rather than putting the distribution in the hands of politicians.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:37 | 1783312 aerojet
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Dumbass.  The whole point is voluntary vs. involuntary contributions. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:52 | 1783693's picture

Somehow that fellow confused libertarianism with asceticism which is a really odd mistake to make.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:57 | 1783376 MrBinkeyWhat
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Howdy Pardner!

You must be new around here.  No problem. Just so you know, Dr. Ron Paul MD is the only principled guy within 15 miles of the Washington Monument. Well, maybe there are a few "Oath Keepers" but hey.

I truly do not know why this kind gentle man does not go home and spend his final days in the bosom of his loving family.

Must be a real patriot!

WTF: Crazy Texans. Thinking: Alamo...

Got your Food, barterable, guns/ammo PM's already stored away?

Better pray Dr. Paul can heal this mess, cause next is the zombie apocolipyse. BITCHEZ!!!


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:35 | 1783913 IQ 101
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About 76% of the people who died at the Alamo were first of Scot'ancestery, not Texans, do some history, There were no TEXANS back then, only the fathers and mothers of future Texans. Texicans, 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:58 | 1783379 bxy
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Most trolls aren't this dumb

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:00 | 1783553 SpeakerFTD
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Where is MDB when you need him?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:30 | 1783495 Getagrip
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I hope so. If he gets a mandate and doesn't end up splitting the vote for a BA sweep..

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:33 | 1783657 swamp
Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:39 | 1783670 covert
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no matter how right or popular he is, he doesn't stand a chance. the elections are rigged.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:55 | 1783706 BrocilyBeef
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$250 here, you respectable bitches.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:38 | 1783795 JimBobOMG
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I'm at work so can't watch it :(

I'm sure it will be much much better than 999 though...

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:37 | 1784220 John_Coltrane
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So true.  Already sent him my second check.  He has more small donors than any of the other candidates.

Why can't freedom win for a change?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:04 | 1783181 baby_BLYTHE
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Dr. Ron Paul, bitchez!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:27 | 1783642 Nobody special
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Suggest a little modification of that statement if you're going to use it on campaign signs.  Otherwise, damn straight!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:57 | 1783710 BrocilyBeef
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baby, give $5 on Wed. just your milk money... :-D

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:06 | 1783188 LiquidDreams
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Link doesn't seem to be working...


Someone must have pulled the plug to protect their sunshine daydream.


EDIT: it's working now.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:07 | 1783193 andybev01
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not to sound like a bastard but, did you hit the arrow button?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:06 | 1783189 Budd aka Sidewinder
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Where is his teleprompter?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:18 | 1783232 mfoste1
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uhh he is a REAL public speaker.......

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:06 | 1783190 andybev01
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ZH servers crash in 3, 2, 1...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:21 | 1783192 Henry Chinaski
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Ron Paul's plan to crash PM prices!

Love it.


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