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Watch The Ron Paul "Plan To Restore America" Press Conference Live
And from denial, or the comic and alcoholic, we shift to far more important things, such as acceptance, and actually dealing. Earlier we discussed the broad strokes about the imminent announcement by Ron Paul of his Plan to Restore America. Next, watch live as the Texan reveals the details of the only plan that has any sense of making even remote sense from a mathematical standpoint: start time 6pm EDT / 3pm PDT.
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Fine with me, as it would greatly increase the value of salaries and fixed incomes.
I would much rather be free than rich. Truth is, competing currencies would likely leave me as both.
As long as you don't work in TBTF or Government sure. Kinda makes you wonder where insurance will be when you need it most...
EDIT: I'm for Ron Paul BTW. If there was a magic button to cut all this government spending/regulation I would hit that button even if it means losing my job.
He's been buying PMs since the 70s. I'm sure he's set for life (hehe) and so is his family. So I doubt he's going to crash PMs. There was a recent article attributing a $10k gold price if we went back to a gold standard based on the amount of gold the US allegedly has..... google is your friend!
Ron Paul is the only one in Washington who has been making sense for years.
.......but, but, he hasn't changed anything, he's old and says the same thing over and over, therefore he's ineffective. We need a new messenger.
<sarc off>
Patiently biding his time, building a strong foundation so our structure can rise higher than their collective cumulonimbus.
Politicians fall into 2 categories;
i). Crooks, charlatans, fraudsters
ii). Idealistic well-meaning idiots
Ron Paul is Category 2 as the sane half of the electorate (the ones who do not vote) well know
Roll up, roll up all you (insane) voters and junk me because you think RP is going to 'Save' you and he has a snowball in hells chance of making any change to the most corrupt monopoly system ever devised to oppress and rob you... junk away dreamers
"I will not take a salary that is higher than the medium incomes of average Americans which is about 39k". Spoken like true statesman! This is a populist position that should excite the array of angry Americans part of the OWS movement.
call me cynical, but I have my reasons... the Ron Paul story is just a little too good to be true. If he wins and lives, my suspicion is confirmed and he represents the next stage of the banker turnover. Otherwise his roll is just to keep otherwise sophisticated intelligent citizens believe that there is a chance that the system could work... that they have a real choice inside the system. in other words, just a different layer of control.
Study the facts, look at his voting record, look at the bills he has sponsored and do some DD before you spout and spread your ignorance.
he is a 911 denier. enough said.
True he is , but how long would he live if he came out and said the truth now ? 24 or 48 hrs . Give the guy a brake he wants to live long enough to get into office so he can round the rats up.
WTF are you talking about? If he didn't think al Qaeda was responsible, he never would have called for a letter of marque to be issued against UBL.
Did you make 38 other accounts to spread your lies?
sorry, didn't realize that anyone still believed the bs lies fed to us by .gov about 911. greatest thing ever man a handfull of muslims knock down three large buildings with nothing but box cutters.... and they didn't even need to hit one of them. that UBL, clever guy. must have learned some cool tricks all that time he was working with the CIA. /sarc off.
go on believing in the American fantasy of government of the people for the people by the people if you want, but that reality ended a long time ago, if it ever existed... and voting, for anyone, isn't going to bring it back.
RP has said his priority is ending The Fed. I think that is appropriate. He has called for a new, genuine 9/11 investigation. You must realize that even the real-deal is walking a precarious tight-rope.
Do you want me to lay out the list of Dead bodies that have taken on The Fed head on? Here's one I only learned about recently, google Congressman Louis McFadden. Relentless Fed critic. Died suddenly at 44 in 1936.
The enemy has it's own ideas about patriotism and duty and they will do anything to hang on and acquire more. No holds barred.
Why would I believe either you or the government? There are other options. Or didn't you know that?
I don't, nor from what I've heard from Ron Paul, believe the US crashed the planes into the towers. Our foreign policies created enough hatred that a group of radicalized muslims killed themselves to send us a message. The foreign policy, the root of the problem, is what Paul will address instead of the stupid makeup policies. We live in a different world, I'd say, then those of the religious states in the mid-east. We live in an economic based country, where they live in a faith based country. The jews and muslims have been battling for this land forever, we just need to keep our weapons and money out of it. Preventing genocide by offering means of relocation is something we should pursue, imo, but world policing is not our job.
He voted against Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act which repealed Glass-Steagall. That was the juicest piece of banker legislation that has ever passed through congress to become law.
It's still better than having a pizza man running around screaming $9.99 running the country.
Is that with a topping?
Topping of taxes: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-9-9-9-plan-is-the-herman-cain-tax-plan-a-good-idea
As a small business 'owe-ner' this doesn't sit right with me. I liked some of Cain's speeches but once he got into the race things just soured too quickly. 999 or 666 all smells like the same pizza pie to me.
ROFLMAO!
I wish we had a Ron Paul here in Germany. :[
If he doesn't win he was just meant to distract.
If he wins it is because he is the machine.
Nice false dichotomy dude, do you work in advertising?
Voters have voted for Ron Paul, bless him, for decades ...where have they got? Nowhere. Where has he got? Nowhere.
One of the definitions of insanity is to repeat a behaviour pattern that gets you nowhere
The people that vote are delusional, they are insane. The voters who do not vote are sane ..because they understand by experience or by instinct that "it won't change anything".
So non-voters are already 2 steps ahead of voters, including RP voters. First they do not vote and secondly they are sane
In fact non-voters are even further up Darwins ladder than voters and RP voters. Because they are independent, get on with their own lives and don't expect some twat to 'Save' them. Nor do they look to any politician to 'lead' them
You donate all you like to this idealistic idiot. Your money is going nowhere, RP is going nowhere, your vote is a waste, your money is going to waste.
Now please go back to your ward like the other 50% of Yanks that vote and repeat your behaviour pattern in ever decreasing circles of achieving nothing and going nowhere
Where have those who voted for Obama got them? I know you are not supporting Obama here but since voting for the wrong guy can obviously make things worse, voting for the right guy can make things better assuming the right guy gets enough votes to win. Therefore, in order for the right guy to get enough votes to win, PEOPLE NEED TO VOTE FOR RON PAUL!
Let us know how that 'getting on with your own life' thing works out when the next leader elected by complacency ratchets up the police state.
Wow. Reading several of your posts, seems all hope is gone, isn't it? Well, fuck it then, we should all just die, right? Damn, you've given up completely. Are you dead inside?
yep
Just because you refuse to vote doesn't mean that politicians are going to disappear. Your logic's akin to the old trick philosophy question: "If a tree fell in the woods and nobody saw it, did it reall fall?". Or allegorically; if no one votes for a politician, was there even a politician there?
"The voters who do not vote are sane ..because they understand by experience or by instinct that "it won't change anything"
Yours is a defeatist attitude and serves no purpose in changing anything, because you believe that no effort is required to make a change. Ironically, by posting here you have expressed an opinion (or vote) in hoping to influence other people's thinking. Odd.
As an idea, how about considering voting for a system that enshrines small government that encapsulates your sentiments.
Judging by your pseudonym though, your position is complete anarchy, which history shows, from tribal clans to communities employing a built environment, has never been a human trait, unless you're a loner.
Good luck with your journey.
I made a word cloud of your post. That's some disheartening stuff.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/zerogovtwordcloud.png/
He got us the AGE and ASE programs. He got us the HSA program, which is a brilliant way to liberalize our fascist health care system. That is not the extent of his accomplishment, merely a couple I have on the top of my head.
Note that he was only a CONGRESSMAN, and got that done.
"Voters have voted for Ron Paul, bless him, for decades ...where have they got? Nowhere."
Is that because there were so few of them who voted on principle, because everyone else was voting for the lesser of two evils?
Second, Ron Paul has accomplished a lot. His following grows, his predictions were proven true. He has many young people now questioning TPTB, and if nothing else is ever accomplished at least he has kept people questioning. The ones who claim he accomplished nothign are usually the ones who voted for someone else for the last 3 decades. I ask them: what did they accomplish?
He may not be the answer to our prayers, but anyone who stands up to TPTB, speaks truthfully and honestly even if it means he loses his life for it, frankly, deserves some respect.
The politicians should say " I will take the same pension and healthcare plan Walmart employees get as well.
The odds are super-low and I would definitely not consider it a final solution, but I'd be pleased if RP made a few things less bad.
<<--- Ron Paul Voters are Insane, delusional, he won't change anything (EVER)
<<--- Ron Paul voters are Sane, realists, he will Change America (like Bumma promised)
<<-- 'Zero Govt' is desperate to discredit Ron Paul but hasn't figured out how.
Anarchism does have it's merits. But throwing shit at RP supporters is not going to win them over to your view.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: this anarchist is voting for Ron Paul.
Normally I like his posts but here he doesn't even offer a solution or alternative. He should just change his id to 'ambiguous anarchist'...
I believe he should work on discrediting Albert Einstein (though he likes some selective quotes, both misunderstood and taken out of context) or perhaps Richard Feynmann, both of whom, like Paul, dedicated their lives to seeking truth and understanding the way the real world works.
"Cynicism taken to extremes becomes nihlism"- you may quote me on that phrase. Life should be joyful, optimistic and creative-like jazz.
Zero Govt, if a criminal organization like USSA government lets you choose its leader, why not take advantage of it?
Why not vote for someone who will help dismantle it?
Dr Acula - sorry if i 'answer' your question by asking you a question! ...why do you want to be led? ...how do you ever imagine any President or Congress has ever had a single nanosecond of interest in you or your beliefs and could possibly represent you?? ...and if they don't represent you then the entire man-made edifice of the US Govt is a false construct at representing your "country" because the US Govt represents nobody in the country, it just represents itself as a false fantasy it represents you
Govt, like socialism or Disneyland, is a belief system not an actual real system. It is man-made and exists for only as so long as you believe in it and the lies it gives you to continue to believe in it. Govt does not exist. It's just a bunch of crooks robbing you, the rest is all front (fantasy)
Of course. But how you gonna get there? Seems like reducing and localizing government would be a good first step.
It's neither of those options. I'd say:
Ron Paul voters are SANE, but very idealistic, and believe that changing the President can impact how the US Government operates.
I don't buy into that myself, but I admire the enthusiasm. May as well vote for someone who doesn't totally suck, sure, but it's not like he can be elected.
Ron Paul, unlike all the other candidates has message discipline and enough bucks to deliver it when it counts…in the early primary.
No serious ranking of candidates begins until those first primaries.
Study this a little harder. Ron Paul would easily defeat President Obama. So Romney has big Wall Street bucks, but conservatives want something more; his numbers still give up much ground to the rest of the candidate field.
Yeah, write down my "call": RP as a candidate goes nowhere.
It's not hard to predict the future in this case. This has happened before. Enough times to make a guy queasy.
"Ron Paul voters are SANE, but very idealistic, and believe that changing the President can impact how the US Government operates."
I think Ron Paul supporters are realistic and know he will be up against a lot to try to change anything. But simply knowing that he has a chance at getting elected gets people on board. The president doesnt change it all on his own, but if he gets elected (or even close to it) other candidates will step forward and run for office. And voters will work even harder to persuade people, knowing it actually comes to something. I think he has a rallying effect on people who have long felt helpless to enact change, thinking they were lone voices.
Aww, how cute. You just made a poll...
It looks convincing, and worshipping politicians is a disapointing, dangerous hobby - so I can see your point. But if politicians fall only into those 2 categories, it wouldn't be able to categorize someone as easily definable as George Bush. He is in the intersection of those sets, but outside the sets of idealistc and well-meaning.
If you expand your categories to a higher number of sets, one for each descriptor, you might find that Dr. Paul is in a category of his own, in the intersection between Idealistic and well meaning and highly educated, but outside idiots. Hard to be an idiot after spending over 8 years at medical school, then devoting your life to the well being of others.
YHC - the reason RP is an idealistic idiot is because he believes in the idealism of free markets but does not understand the mechanism of the free market and why they work (just as importantly why other systems, like Govt, always fail). We have the same well-meaning idiot here, a Euro MEP called Daniel Hannan who's appeared on Fox a few times so you may know him
Both believe in the free market but both promote 'small Govt' or 'direct democracy'. Paul wants small, Hannan wants power pushed from central Govt to much more local Govt. Both are idiots merely re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic because it matters not one bit how big or small Govt is, or where power is placed because ALL Govt, big, small, national or local behave in the exact same manner
Changing its size or plumbing or clothes or the type of shoes Govt wears makes no difference whatsoever. All Govts without exception are corrupt, are dumber than mud, are destructive rather than productive, are self-serving rather than provide service, are secretive rather than open, hoard power rather than share it
Indeed all Govts wether you label them communist, fascist, socialist or democratic have the exact same behaviour patterns and the exact same (always economically destructive, socially oppressive) results
Uhhh......ok, so according to you George Washington and Joe Stalin....uh...exactly the same, right?
You're a moron.
Clinteastwood
@Zero G.
You're obviously passionate about your views, and deserve some respect for them if we were discussing the arena outside the confines of existing government, authority, and political frameworks which we are all lumbered with. Thinking outside the box should not be discouraged or disparaged as it has happened here, but espousing no form of government at all on a RP thread and telling people that they are all deluded for believing change could happen when all evidence points towards the contrary is probably not wise.
I can see your point, as do others here, but I think your views are as full of false preconceptions about the practicality of zero government as perhaps some of our views on the practicality of implementing Dr.Paul's vision of America. The existing structures of military-corporate America which amount to agencies bigger than some countries employing millions of people and absorbing trillions from the tax payers will take a huge effort to dismantle them, if it can be done at all. But that does not mean we shouldn't try. It would be interesting to discuss the definition of authority with you another time.
you're clinging to the term 'free market', as if it's an absolute term.
my belief is that it's a term that normal people can sort of understand, which is why he (mis)uses it so much.
Well, i didn't junk you because i think that RP will save us all.
I junked you, because you have only one single criterion on which to judge ANY political and economic argument.... besides of the idiocy involved, you are about the most mentally lazy person possible.... i mean, how much more easy can it get, than judge EVERYTHING by just one single maxime?
Hint: Your username is your program. You have nothing to contribute at all besides this. One can simply read your username, and ignore every single post of you, because it's just a constant monotonous repetition of "zero gov" (whatever "gov" is supposed to mean here.... perhaps another one of those evil words, that need to be banned, rather than their meaning).
Dearest Ron Paul Supporters,
Like RP himself you are all well-meaning (may God bless you all for that) but you are idiots to believe anything good will come of (any) Govt or (any) politician. The odds are stacked against both, all history is stacked against finding any good in any Govt or politician (go find it for me, you've 4 Centuries to find a single shred of good evidence????)
...in fact the system of Govt itself is completely stacked against delivering anything good for you, anytime or any place in history ...4 centuries of flashing neon-signs right in your faces saying "You're Fucked!"
Like you I have been an idealistic idiot (dreamer) for most of my adult life believing Govt could be a force for good, believing a politician and a Party was really on my side. But over the past 10 years my experience (ie. reality) built up mountains of evidence stacked against Govt and what a sack of steaming shit it was in every facet of its sordid corrupt criminal historical and present existence.
Evidence, experience and reality began to far outweigh my dream-state, my patently ridiculous belief in this Govt/political system, my lifelong zombie-fication in a series of lies such as 'democracy' and 'voting' and 'policies' that our bigger belief of Govt is built on. My complete and utter delusion gave way to stone cold reality and hard experience
Over the past few years the penny (finally) dropped. All politicians and all Govts in history have been destructive, not productive. Even Ron Paul, bless him, is living off us and has been worthless for all his decades in office. That's because the machine of Govt is totally self-serving and self-interested. RP is a good bug in the body of a crook and is swatted away or suffocated whenever he irritates too much.
RP has not a snowball in hells chance of ever doing any good whatsoever. RP voters are waisting their time and effort.
The only thing productive you CAN DO to stop Govt is as an individual. Because no collective exists. You can take your own decisions, be your own Govt, make your own policies. Your best route forward is quite simply to not endorse, sponsor or fund Govt anymore. Namely pay no more taxes. Stop feeding a beast, give the parasite no more of your blood to suck on. That is the ONLY effective action you can take because while you still fund it you still fuel its oppression of you
Zero Tax = Zero Govt
I find the word cloud for your latest offering to be ironic.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/morezerogovt.png/
it's not word clouds RP supporters should be deferring to in this 'debate' ..it's history
Both Ron Pauls history of being marginalised and voters history of being marginalised through the voting system ...and when the majority of voters finally wakes up both political parties and all their 'representatives' are crooks they vote for a new couple of Parties that are yet more fronts for the same elite Parasite Club to corrupt all over again
Govt is a shell game over which not one voter in history, nor any single politician like RP, has any control whatsoever
a casino is a rigged game... so is democratic Govt... but Ron Paul supporters keep going through the doors year after year thinking "this time it'll be different"
a bunch of delusional ever-hopefulls of 'Being a Winner' are just a bunch of people addicted to being losers ....don't vote RP supporters, you just might regain your sanity and realise whichever way you vote, the game is always rigged
The people that do not vote are sane.. "it changes nothing" ...precisely
Go back to sleep whispers the voice, you are weak and powerless.
I think we can. I think we can. I think we can practice the Constitution in America.
you've got the fuking Constitution already... it's been there from over a Century and hasn't worked a single day in all that time
Politicians break every rule they ever make, run roughshod through every Law.. they're just pieces of paper afterall and they appoint the crones to enforce them (or sit on them and whistle Dixie)... please wake up from you delusion.. every centralised system is corrupt, there are no safeguards...
...except freedom from Govt
dude.
isn't there something productive you could be doing?
Dude, he's on welfare! Welfare -->boredom, boredom -->innovation! What a genius plan!
I love the blonde hotties standing behind him
If they start making out, RP will win....
If they start making out, RP will have a heart attack....
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed them. That brunette with the naughty librarian glasses could join in the action too and I wouldn't complain. Ron's got the Hue Hefner thing going on.
As seen in the beginning of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XkabcSkpOA
Maybe they're all people whom he delivered.
They could all wear t-shirts that say "Ron Paul slapped my ass."
There's something about an honest man that girls just go crazy for.....
yes sir.
He's got some dimes behind him, well done Ronny Boy
Check out Paul's secretary Anna Hugo. I have met her, she is super smart, attractive and a advocate of all of Paul's positions... including returning to a gold standard (sound money).
She's so hot she makes the sun jealous..............love that dress..........and great video too.........
its goin up on nakedempire2
And then I clicked on the link and was presented with...German Hyperinflation! You almost killed me there, BB. At least, Anna Hugo was like you said. By the way: my grandfather threw away all his medals (Eisernes Kreuz I + II) - he thought that they were useless and his was not proud of what he had to do as soldier of the Reich (WW I and II vet); but he saved the mark notes of the hyperinflation, because he thought that nobody in our family should ever forget that part of our history. And so we became Gold and Silver bugs.
And why is the German MG-52 on top of the right list? lol.
Sounds like a great man, RIP. The harshest lessons of history are often repeated because we refuse to learn from the consequences which tend to be forgotten throughout successive generations.
He was a good grandfather. I don't know if I would call him a "great man". See, I loved him as a kid and I listened to all of his war 'stories'. He never tried to look like a hero. He had done some foolish things during these wars. I think there is a good lesson for everyone - if you have kids, if you love your wife - would you risk them? Not knowing if you actually could change things. See, it was a hard choice for him. And at the end of it, he thought that he had failed miserably. He had lost his youngest daughter to the Nazi T4 programme while he was on the Russian front. The threat to his family was real, although the family was declared Aryan by the Nazis. He was afraid of challenging them - not because of his own life, but because he could lose his wife and his kids. War was also a danger of course and all the misery caused by war; and he did everything to protect them as good as possible. Still, he was not always around. They had a house next to a railway tunnel and one day the Allies bombed the area. One of the bombs missed their house by a few meters and the bomb crater is still visible. But compared to what my Berlin grandmother went through, it was still a child's play.
He was a slave of the system. He was not free to express what he thought and he was too afraid to do it (the same man that fought as a machine gunner in WWI). That's the most important lesson he made. I hope I will not fail and I hope that we will not witness WW-III. These are the two things (hyperinflation and war) that still haunt me and my family - even after all these years...
As seen in the beginning of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XkabcSkpOA
whats up with the hotties behind him ... is he trying to reflect the American microcosm or his campaign!
why is he settling for $39,000 a yr salary as the prez ... shouldn't we let the mkt place determine the going rate for a civil servant that is in charge of the world
I think it's because he will cut the salaries of everyone else working for the government to that and below. After all, it's not serving if you're getting paid more than your counterpart...at least a sane person wouldn't think so.
This is how bad Obama is.
This is a guy parading around the country espousing vitriolic language around the "excess of wall street" and soliciting his "jobs plan". A guy who is riding around the country in a bus made in Canada, unveiling statues of MLK made in China, and providing 1.2billion dollar loans to companies who are hiring....in Mexico (Sunpower). Furthermore, a guy whos Chief of Staff came right from WS (JPM) and appointing a Treasury Sec. from the New York Fed. A guy who also voted for the WS bailout as a Senator (Tarp)
Is this a fucking joke or is this a fucking a joke?
Ron Paul 2012
I think it's a fucking joke and a fucking a joke.
C'mon have a little understanding. It's not like he has the option to purchase much in the way of US goods here. Remember they outsourced most everything.
/end sarc
ok GOOD! i want to hear what "solutions" the USA's resident libertarian idiot has come up with after consorting with FRENCH FASCISTS all last week.
this should be a GOOD LAUGH....lemme guess.....reducing the POTUS' salary? hahahahahaha
Ah, the joy of slashing others.
Can't you find some kid with toys you can break?
no retort outside of character assassination? yeah, that's typical of all leftover lie, deny and deflectors from the Bush admin.
don't you ever get tired of being taken to the woodshed intellectually, morally and philosophically? ooops...i forgot....if you dissect the authoritarian pea brain, you'd see a disgusting masochistic need for failure, guilt and discipline.
YUCK!
Pot. kettle.
Guilty by association is he?
Silly libertarians – they think that live and let live is realistic. They really believe you can have a country of laws that apply to everyone equally. When everyone knows you need a cadre of dedicated intellectuals to tell you how to live. The true 1% are the fucking party members. Hey Rasta how is it your ObaMao didn't bring one trooper home and gave wall street everything it wanted.
Bold and CAPS = attention whore --> Down from me
Good call.
POTUS, the ultimate Marxist should agree with the reduction in pay
Ron Paul tells how to save the world in 23 minutes. Nice.
Like the idea of letting young people opt out of Social Security. I think they should also offer "buyouts' to older people at a discount to the present value of the monthly payments.
Ron Paul=reality
Feed is getting crushed.
forget the blondes look at the brunette with glasses. I'm half hizz on the deal.
He wants the people of America to get OUT of debt , my God that is so un-American.
Ron Paul that's all.
How will herman kane respond to this?..................cant wait to see that............
Finally a plan to make govt smaller.............rock on
herman cain will have a new plan....nationalize pizza chain: SNAP now accepted
I'll opt out od SS if i can have the blonde in the center. hubba hubba.
Why don't they have a mike in the audience?
Ron Paul is awesome! True liberal meaning Liberty where the word came from.
Ron Paul is neo-Texan...
...born and raised in Pgh, PA.
Legend! But Dr PAul is getting old. I hope he can hold on a few more years. Ron Paul 2012
with the millions they have raised ... couldn't they have pulled a better press conference and with tad bit more hotties on the stage for this huge announcement.
his idealogy is not only a joke because of both who is prophetizing it (a former physician turned congressman) but also b/c it has no REAL empirical evidence or analysis to support its impact on the economy.
I agree. Let's not vote for RP because of the poor press conference audio set up. Instead, let's vote for the guy who speaks well and can read a teleprompter like a wunderkind.
True, the physician turned congressman is a crazy thought so let's find a community organizer to be our President...oh wait!
I think his point is to NOT spend citizens money unnecessarily. The message is what matters, he doesn't need to spend half a mill on fancy lights and the worlds newest teleprompter.
He is not pretentious, I don't see why his press conferences need to be.
We have not had honest money since 1964. I sent Dr. Paul $100 for a vote for
honest money. Who's John Galt? May your higher power help us...mine seems to be out to lunch.
"You can't get rid of the debt by increasing the debt, it's as simple as that." -Ron Paul 10.17.11
Indeed...
Yea Free Markets will save the world. There's nothing that can go wrong just letting companies do whatever they want with zero oversight. I'm sure they will all just play nice with eachother and want collude or anything like that. Ron Paul 2012!
You forgot the most important thing.
Let them fail.....
Ah, there's the "anarchy" argument again. Repeatedly made by those that don't bother to know what the philosophy truly is. Carry on.
Anarchy is goddamn chaos!!!You know like the absence of central authority on a golf course. GODDAMN CHAOS!
Here, don't get that yourself, let me do it : Let me get that for you
Gave you a green sweetheart.
I love it....any time someone talks about reducing the size of government you get the same old pavlovian response - "they want chaos".
What you describe is anarchy. Ron Paul is the only congressman I know of who supports the rule of law. Big difference.
>What you describe is anarchy. Ron Paul is the only congressman I know of who supports the rule of law.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ron Paul supported anarchy - meaning the abolition of coercive government.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul:
"Paul is a proponent of Austrian school economics; he has authored six books on the subject, and displays pictures of Austrian school economists Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and Ludwig von Mises (as well as of Grover Cleveland)[85] on his office wall"
And Rothbard is a huge figure in anarchocapitalism; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard:
"Building on the Austrian School's concept of spontaneous order, support for a free market in money production and condemnation of central planning,[5] Rothbard advocated abolition of coercive government control of society and the economy. He considered the monopoly force of government the greatest danger to liberty and the long-term well-being of the populace, labeling the State as nothing but a "gang of thieves writ large"—the locus of the most immoral, grasping and unscrupulous individuals in any society.[6][7][8][9]
Rothbard concluded that all services provided by monopoly governments could be provided more efficiently by the private sector. He viewed many regulations and laws ostensibly promulgated for the "public interest" as self-interested power grabs by scheming government bureaucrats engaging in dangerously unfettered self-aggrandizement, as they were not subject to market disciplines"
Like the market discipline exhibited by HFT algos run amok....?
That's exactly why I refuse to trade on a rigged stock exchange where HFT's avoid financial losses by having their errors magically reversed.
SEC won't regulate. Look behind the curtain you stupid Kansian scarecrow.
I say elect him, obviously America has learned nothing from the promises of Obama. Maybe after Ron Paul they will
Spot On ...if the candidates aren't already corrupted by their campaign sponsors going into election they'll certainly be corrupted during their time in office (or face 'outing' by some scandal or personal embarrasment to befall them at a select time).
The US 'democratic' voting system is the most openly and patently corrupt voting system on Earth. All candidates require vast campaign funds to just get elected. They are bought and paid for puppets from the get-go
Whoever thinks the people cannot be conned just hasn't met a US voter... corruption is staring them in the face in 60ft high flashing neon signs that their 'representatives' are sponsored salesmen of Big Corporate and Union interests yet they still think they'll get a word in edgeways. Born stupid (for decades!) doesn't quite adequately sum up the delusional stupor most US voters float around in
Disagree entirely. Ron Paul hasn't changed his tune in decades. I suspect very much that TPTB would find he's slow to roll over. Another prospect for the JFK treatment perhaps, but no shill.
I'd like to add that if not Ron Paul, who the hell should be brought in? Enlighten us please. You see someone more credible? Who do you trust to do what's right more than RP?
I have little respect for those that compare RP to the likes of Ole Bummer. RP has clear plans and they all fit together. Ole Bummer had nothing but hope, change, and one hell of a big campaign budget. Great for a smoke and mirrors show, but not much more.
I wonder what the american constitution would look like if Obama, Bush and Clinton got together and wrote it?
Oh I know....it would be written by lobbyists and lawyers and be 500 billion pages long - BUT with a great cover page.
Only problem is that he may spit the vote enough that BA gets reelected and we all end up having to read the Koran and continue bailing out the bankrupt system in the name of Allah...God help us..
Ah yes....voting for the lesser of two evils has worked really well.
Ron Paul wouldn't stand a chance if elected president. The puppet masters control the world, not temporary presidents. The only way he would stand a chance would be to vote in all the people who aren't bought. All the people who aren't corrupt. All the people who are true patriots of the USA. Do these people even exist anymore? And can we find enough of them to form a majority in congress? But even if it is possible, the damage done is already beyond repair. The monetary system is a finite system. It has too many limitations. The monetary system is the problem. The only solution would be to get rid of the problem and that is to end the monetary system. We would have to go to work for our fellow man in order for us and our fellow man to survive. As opposed to going to work so we can make money to survive. There are no limits to giving. A good example of this is Jesus. He healed everyone, gave to everyone, and asked nothing in return. He gave, gave, and gave. He set a good example. He gave more than any billionaire can ever give, and he was poor. But this solution will have to be found the hard way, more suffering, more grief, world war 3, etc. Then, I believe, we will see the light. So we can't really leave it up to politicians for our solution. There is none at this time.
Anyone who advocates the destruction of public education isn't quite on track in my book.
Getting rid of the department of education is not getting rid of public education.
Just ask yourself....how has public education fared since the feds began meddling?
Nearly Half Of Detroit's Adults Are Functionally Illiterate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/07/detroit-illiteracy-nearly-half-education_n_858307.html
Do you believe parents will let their children roam the badlands or simply force them to manual labour if the public education system ( which is a relatively new occurrence btw) were to be dismantled?
Do you know how much taxes is spent on government indoctrination, sorry I mean education?
If taxes are reduced in conjunction do you think parents would not use that extra money to find the best education for their children they can?
Depends..... on quite a few things.
For starters: Parents with free-time plus a well done international "knowledge database", would already be enough to teach children basic imitation things like languages, maths, history, etc.... with zero monetary effort, BUT time effort (why am i bringing this up? Well, partially, because i learned basic english 8 years before school taught me (hint, i got bad marks in school, because i was constantly "thinking ahead of the schedule").
Also, such a thing would go a long way, to get some intitial info-base on a given topic.
As for the rest? Thats expensive..... the most expensive thing of all: individual training, or at least education in small specialized groups.... and i may add: training by people who do not have some fucked up agenda...... neither governmental nor corporate.... BOTH sucks!
As you may guess, that's really gonna be expensive and "premium".... how do you offer something like this, to low-income or even lower-middleclass earner's children? Answer, contrary to perhaps popular ZH opinion: Neither the gov, nor the free market, can provide this efficiently.
Though, to be fair, the quality level i demand here, is dozens of times higher than what is the default nowadays.... so, it shouldn't really be surprising that all current established options cannot satisfy this efficiently. I'm bringing it up however, to show that what IMO should be the "default" training quality (i.e. multiple times higher than the shit we have nowadays), cannot simply be provided by "privatize this!".... basic info, can be privided for FREE, via databases, and that current gov sponsored education is even required for this, is a joke! However, raw access to data isn't enough - at some point, you need experienced people to assist the schoolars, and the best kind of it, is targeted assistance.... and that, i'm sorry to say it, isn't doable efficiently via a free market.
It may however to some extend be doable, in a style of "people helping each other out".
Well. Historically in the less well off classes, the parents taught the children themselves, and that education is much higher than the level we have today.
But. You bring up a valid point, being, those who cannot afford education, what about them? The answer is this.
Let us begin by assuming that democracy is based on the will of the people.
At present education is sponsored by government, which means that it is the will of the people, which means that people that have more than enough care enough about poor children to help educate them. Which means the department of education is superfluous and should be abolished. ( as we all know how 'efficient' government is)
The alternative is that education payment is not the will of the people, in which case they are being forced to pay, which would be fascist not democracy, which implies the department of education should be abolished.
:P
Thanks for your reply, but i think regarding the worldview of us both, it's a bit like master of the obvious.
That the current government coordinated education system is something which i consider crap, should be obvious by my above post, and the post a bit further down below.
That what education currently teaches, is mostly just for show (entry to the job market), indoctrination and useless, also should be obvious by my above and below post.
So, those arguments, i already took for granted anyways. What i instead was concerned with, was how to provide something better.
Because you know, it's easy to swing an axe. It's quite popular around here sadly "this part of the system is shit, so just axe it. End of story", with little thought being put into how to provide something BETTER than the current crap. Yeah sure, by swinging an axe, you erase inefficient spending, but it does nothing to replace it with something better.
And that was my concern. Teaching people understanding, learning to learn, and the ability to distinguish usefull info from bullshit, as well as giving them practical experience..... requires more effort, than just uploading instructions that should be imitated. Fuck, you don't need any "education" for the later... just put up an info-database, and give parents the time to hammer it into their children's brains.
Similarily, a more individual training, that isn't limited to groups the size of 40 or more.... well, if a "teacher" spends the same time, on less people, the amount of hours to train people obviously goes up.... so, also more "expensive".
Considering that we can barely afford current education levels, it obviously isn't affordable in a gov-sponsored (or rather "tax-sponsored") kind of way. And moving it into the private sector also doesn't fix anything about the affordability, because you just replace taxes, with market prices.... and even if the free market were able to do it more efficiently, the costs would still be too high.
SO, if one wants to provide something better than the current crap education to the majority of people, then it cannot be provided in its current structure, neither by the gov, nor the free market..... one would need a different approach, how to do "education".
He's getting rid of the Deptartment of Energy too. I guess he wants to abolish energy!
Noooooooooooooo! Not energy!
Lol
Energy sucks balls!
DUHHHH, sounds like a publicly educated fuck all nonsense comment to me.
You should spend some time with the current output of public education. Then you'll be a convert to its destruction... and replacement with something effective.
Public Schools = Government Schools = Dumbed Down Fiat Slaves Eager for Credit
I'm still pissed off about my elementary school history teching, what if they taught this?
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The way you teach it, America started from some ships that came to Massachusetts and Virginia. The people got off and had to push their way through some big empty land that was full of danger. When they got to these plains, they sent the wagon trains across the mountains and the desert, like little streams cutting their way through the earth. Once they got across, then more people followed their paths, and things were built along the way, and it was like these little streams of people became big rivers of people that all flowed across to California and Oregon and Washington. It was like the place was empty and you filled it up, and history is the story of how you filled it up and what happened while you were filling it.
You can tell me you don’t think that way, but you do. I look at the history books of the kids. They start in the east and come west, all of them, like that is the way history happened.
Just think what that does to our kids. It tells them to see the past like white people. It teaches them to understand this country like they were on those boats and covered wagons. That’s not the way it was to us. For us, this was a big land where people lived everywhere. Then some people came and landed on the shores in the easy while others came up from the south. They started pushing us. Then some others came down the rivers from the north. All these people were fighting each other. They all wanted something from us - furs, land, gold. They either took it or made us sell it to them. They all had guns. They all killed us if we didn’t believe that God was some man named Jesus who had lived in a desert across the sea. They wouldn’t leave us alone.
Pretty soon they set up a government way back somewhere in the east and said this all was their land. Not just where they lived, but everywhere they had been or even where they have heard of. If they could get one man to go to a place and put a flag in the ground, they said they owned everything between where they started and that flag. They started pushing us backward on top of each other. All of us who had lived side by side leaving each other alone had to fight each other for hunting land.
We had to make deals with the white men or else fight them. There wasn’t enough food. Everything started to fall apart. We lost the land our ancestors were buried in. We got pushed into little pods of land. We were like fish who had been swimming in the sea who were sent into little ponds.
See, to us, American history is how the big sea became little ponds and whether those are going to be taken from us or not. It doesn’t have anything to do with thirteen colonies and some covered wagons going west. Our land was taken from us from every direction. We can look at the same facts as you and it is something completely different. But you build your history on words like ‘frontier’ and ‘civilization,’ and those words are just your ideas put into little shapes that you can use in sentences. The big ideas behind them are weapons that take our past from us.
I think that’s a lot of where our people went wrong with your people. We didn’t see the big ideas behind the words you used. We didn’t see that you had to name everything in order to make it exist, and that the name you gave something made it what it was. You named us savages so that made us savages. You named where we lived the wilderness, so that made it a wild and dangerous place. Without even knowing it, you made us who we are in your minds by the words you used. You are still doing that, and don’t even know it is happening."
Yes, and even from those times WE didn't know that there was a subset of us that went on a different tract completely. Do some reading on the early education schools at the time for higher learning. The elite already had 'Finishing' schools so to speak to teach the future leaders how to run America. The average population didn't interact with them either.
When the cowboys dressed up like indians, who were they working for? Top of the paramid I mean? It was vanderbilt's et al who wanted a rail road put in, so he did the fear thing, and did a divide and conquer.
Wait a minute? Isn't that a modern tactic?
We are all victims now. Ich Bin......
A very high five on bringing truth to the education arguement, and well put I might add. Perspective is an essential and oft forgotten element of history. An odd fact if you think about it... for all the wonders brought to America by the settlers, isn't it sad that the continent was never more free than before the settlers arrived? Stuff replaced freedom. And greed. Not much of a legacy is it?
I'm sad that the world has become such a small place. There are few places one can still be 'free.'
Umm, let me put it this way:
What IS "education" nowadays?
A robot academy. It's there to upload instructions ready to be imitated, and the subject is then rated based on how good a tape recorder he is. That, and some indoctrination about how this great society works (most people only via education really get kickstarted on how dynamics in this society work - and it ain't pretty. To paraphrase a younger buddy of me: "School is a lunatic asylum").
Okay, that isn't completely useless. There are topics, where pure "knowledge" and ability to imitate is helpful. Reading, writing, maths, and so on......
....but as for the rest..... well, let me just say one thing: They don't teach logics in school for a reason. Your "education" isn't supposed to let you understand, and be able to efficiently analyze information. Actually, it doesn't even cover "learning to learn" much.
So, remind me again, what was it again, that was so important and great about education? I tell you what: To get papers. To get marks. To get medals and lots of useless "overqualified" crap, so that you can be employed at McDonalds.
Anyone with a bit of a clue knows, that education by now - besides of simple things like reading and writing - really only is there to achieve artificial entry into the job market - and once you're in, and gained some experience, no one cares about useless education anymore - they care about actual practically relevant experience.
So, you may argue that education is important to gain artificial acceptance into the job market..... but make no mistake about it: It's actual contents, are 90% useless and just for show.
That is not to say that any kind of public "training" is by definition useless. Actually, in terms of innovation, you'd get a badass boom with any halfway efficient training program! Problem is just: education got nothing to do with that. Education is about something else.
That is so stupid of a statement.
I was having a discussion with my daughter who is a teacher at a montessori.
The major thing that department does or was supposed to do is make a level so to speak learning experience. I told her I remembered before it was big and there was a vast difference between public schools in Connecut vs Mississippi in the 50's. I know what it was supposed to cure.
BUT, because the whole beaurocratic organism eventually gets perverted, Every Department or any interaction from the Federal level is like standing in the Motor Vehicle line with the wrong forms. And it learns that it has to protect it's self like an organism. Even the FED now samples "things" to "Get a pulse" on what people are thinking about them (and saying and shishhhh, Planning....) Paranoid initiatives get operable...
We basically have learned (like marlon brando in Zappta learned) that we cannot trust us.
Here is Pauls plan in PDF:
http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf
Eliminate Dept. of Interior = sell National Parks (corporate skyboxes lining Yosemite Valley)
Eliminate Estate Tax & Capital Gains = Guaranteed American Aristocracy. This is completely counter to the implied Social Darwinism, by allowing the worthless, soft, untested offspring of the wealthy to have all the cream w/o any of the work. The smart ones travel abroad and run the family's non-profit, while the dim ones have to take over daddy's buisness. And, as we have seen, when those losers get their Ivy League degree and enter the financial sector, we have glorious 'innovative' financial products and practices that blow up the world. Brilliant, as hoplesssly utopian as any dirty hippie's w/o the love, and guaranteed to bring out the guillotines.
But he's still a hoot, the way he makes the establishment squirm.
...and he gets assassinated immediately for daring to take even a modest bite out of the (dare I use the dirty hippie phrase coined by a Republican President) military industrial complex.