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For all those who can't seem to ever get enough of beltway theater, and enjoy listening to republicans do what they do best when they open their mouths, er, lips are moving, you are in luck: Charlie Rose is hosting a presidential round table with all the usual suspects live from the last resort backup Ivy, Dartmouth college.


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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:21 | 1763558 Pancho Villa
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If their lips are moving ...

All of these guys, except for RP, are just tools of the banksters.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:32 | 1763877 CrazyCooter
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OMG, Cain just (1) said he used to work for the Fed and (2) said Greenspan was the model for Benanke's replacement in 2013. I am really shocked (that he said it) ...



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:39 | 1764350 bxy
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The HuffPo has already busted Cain's lies.....Some Paul followers found this video on Cain talking of the Fed......Could this guy really be this clueless especially when he worked at the KC Fed:

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:49 | 1764376 legal eagle
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You see, and I thought he worked at the KFC

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:54 | 1764502 hambone
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Headline should have been

"You'll want to perform frontal labotomy on self after watching Republicrony Prez Candi's give side by side stump speeches"

Sorry ya, love ya, but your message is multisyllabic and requires some math capability...MSM has good sense to automatically eject you out from the Prez race to save aMerican public from thinking brain freeze (plus, your hair that Huntsman, and Perry...very presidential hair).

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:55 | 1764527 CrazyCooter
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Don't mean to one up the thread (re-post for me) but ...

Wrong on many levels, the highest of which the CiC should command more respect (and deomstrate corresponding leadership). Or, (s)he will get, er, um, fried.



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 03:52 | 1764746 Michael
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The Federal Government now adds 1 to 2 trillion dollars a year to your national debt.

Do you know what your bill payment is for the national debt?

This should be a commercial like; It's 11 o'clock, do you know where your children are?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:02 | 1764792 Michael
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God wanted to see if he could procreate.

That's why he made man in his image and likeness.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:41 | 1764357 Libertarian777
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Ron Paul should have asked Herman Cain

"Are you in favour of Central Economic Planning?"

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 05:03 | 1764793 FatFingered
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Cain is such an idiot I do not think he would even know what that meant.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:16 | 1763568 bob_dabolina
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I like how Michelle Bachman brought up the Community Reinvestment Act as the genesis of the housing bubble

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:19 | 1763580 CaptFufflePants
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I am here today because we are taking action to bring many thousands of Americans closer to owning a home. Our Government is supporting homeownership because it is good for America; it is good for our families; it is good for our economy. One of the biggest hurdles to homeownership is getting money for a downpayment. This administration has recognized that, and so today I'm honored to be here to sign a law that will help many low-income buyers to overcome that hurdle and to achieve an important part of the American Dream.


George W Bush 12/16/2003


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1763642 Reform1776
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"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

"They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1763645 navy62802
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It's funny how many Republicans in this debate tonight are ripping Bush without mentioning his name.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:45 | 1763685 Market Efficien...
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I bet mentioning his name would buy the ticket. Why all that anonymity, the elite would buy in, they don't care about the perception of their villans in history books.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:45 | 1763686 Market Efficien...
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I bet mentioning his name would buy the ticket. Why all that anonymity, the elite would buy in, they don't care about the perception of their villans in history books.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:00 | 1763742 Hearst
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Bloomberg debate completely ignoring Ron Paul.  What a joke.  This is worse than reality tv.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:09 | 1763773 navy62802
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To me, it seems they're being too blatant about it. They should be careful, else the plan to ignore him will backfire again.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 03:49 | 1764743 jeff montanye
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i think you are on to something.  why would bloomberg and rose, the nyt and the newshour and everyone in between ignore him so?  i don't think it's the legalizing heroin.  in their heads it's the anti-banksterism, in their hearts it's the anti-zionism.  ron paul/gary johnson '12.  

the msm's just say no to r.p. may work as well as nancy's re: drugs.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:13 | 1764048 High Plains Drifter
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i know. its rediculous...............have they even let that man say one word yet?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:24 | 1764637 Freddie
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Charlie Rose is a ig lib Dem. ZH seems to still have a lot of Obam-a CS'ers.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 03:50 | 1764745 jeff montanye
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i was a lib dem and i reregistered to vote for r.p. in the fl primary.  charlie rose is a zionist and that cuts a lot deeper than party labels, imo.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:22 | 1763814 jmc8888
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Yes Banksters write quite well, and sucker both republicans and democrats, along with the upstart tea party, and trying to the OWS. 

People have to remember that Wall Street likes to make the stealing sound like helping poor people out too.  It provided good cover.


The key thing to remember is that while Gov't that is corrupted is horrible, who was doing the corrupting? Oh yes the banksters.  This was a bankster plan, foisted upon the idiot and/or corruptable because it sounded like it would get them votes.  The banks write the laws, not the other way around.  Of course it takes elected officials to sign off on it.  But lobbyists and bankster have been writing our laws for a long, long time.


I'm sure some idiots believed they were helping out poor people, and in 1 in a 10,000 perhaps it actually did help someone.  But of course the mechanism was put into place to steal. 


Help out the poor, but like this? Yeah fucking right.



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:22 | 1764304 Dr. Richard Head
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“Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act. This legislation restores a free market in housing by repealing special privileges for housing-related government sponsored enterprises (GSEs). These entities are the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie), the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie), and the National Home Loan Bank Board (HLBB). According to the Congressional Budget Office, the housing-related GSEs received $13.6 billion worth of indirect federal subsidies in fiscal year 2000 alone.

One of the major government privileges granted these GSEs is a line of credit to the United States Treasury. According to some estimates, the line of credit may be worth over $2 billion. This explicit promise by the Treasury to bail out these GSEs in times of economic difficulty helps them attract investors who are willing to settle for lower yields than they would demand in the absence of the subsidy. Thus, the line of credit distorts the allocation of capital. More importantly, the line of credit is a promise on behalf of the government to engage in a massive unconstitutional and immoral income transfer from working Americans to holders of GSE debt.

The Free Housing Market Enhancement Act also repeals the explicit grant of legal authority given to the Federal Reserve to purchase the debt of housing-related GSEs. GSEs are the only institutions besides the United States Treasury granted explicit statutory authority to monetize their debt through the Federal Reserve. This provision gives the GSEs a source of liquidity unavailable to their competitors.

Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. This is because the special privileges of Fannie, Freddie, and HLBB have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.

However, despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government’s interference in the housing market, the government’s policies of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing.

Perhaps the Federal Reserve can stave off the day of reckoning by purchasing GSE debt and pumping liquidity into the housing market, but this cannot hold off the inevitable drop in the housing market forever. In fact, postponing the necessary but painful market corrections will only deepen the inevitable fall. The more people invested in the market, the greater the effects across the economy when the bubble bursts.

No less an authority than Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has expressed concern that government subsidies provided to the GSEs make investors underestimate the risk of investing in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Mr. Speaker, it is time for Congress to act to remove taxpayer support from the housing GSEs before the bubble bursts and taxpayers are once again forced to bail out investors misled by foolish government interference in the market. I therefore hope my colleagues will stand up for American taxpayers and investors by cosponsoring the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act.” - Ron Paul 2002

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:13 | 1764051 ZackAttack
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Ritholtz should be required reading for any candidate who opens his/her piehole on the subject of CRA.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:20 | 1763583 JustACitizen
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Thank God that none of the Republicans were involved in the financial was Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the C.R.A. It had nothing to do with deregulation/non-regulation/captured government officials/derivatives/etc.

/sarc off

Houston - We have a big problem...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:33 | 1763632 Buckaroo Banzai
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The most egregious schemes were perpetrated during the Clinton administration. Use google to know who's cock was in Barney Frank's mouth. That said, republicans are plenty responsible too.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:47 | 1763675 CaptFufflePants
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And Republicans controlloed Congress and wrote the bills and voted for the bills.


Both sides suck.


Also remmebr the Republicans controlled Congress from 1994 to jan 2007 they also held the white house from 2001 to 2008 and controlled the justice department from 2001 to 2008


Lets keep this in perspectve, this "it's all Clintons faut" is utter trash.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:05 | 1764021 dark pools of soros
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why is there still a debate about repubs and dems on ZH??  we all know their upper strings are pulled by the same hands of wall street and the fed..    their differences are crumbs in comparision to their accord 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:41 | 1763667 navy62802
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This is the sad part about our politics. It is so divided and caustic that even in the face of economic armageddon, these egotistical bastards are focused on who caused what ... and it's ALWAYS the other party's fault. When the house is crumbling around you, it doesn't matter who built the faulty foundation or the weak walls. The only thing that matters is that you identify the problem and fix it. Until we have people who are intellectually honest enough to identify the faults in our economy and fix them (no matter how difficult it may be), we are screwed regardless of which party wins the next presidential race.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:17 | 1763790 Reform1776
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People treat it like it is a f*ckin sports event where their team is always infallible and the other team must be crushed.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 03:04 | 1764688 BlackholeDivestment
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I spent the last hour typing an experience that confirms our lack of security. I deleted it an just decided to let Jimmy play.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:23 | 1763592 The Shootist
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Where is everyone tonight? Newt went guns blazing againtst the Bernak there. Nice.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:26 | 1764313 Dr. Richard Head
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It is amazing to me how Ron Paul is driving the discussion with the limited alloted time available to him.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:24 | 1763593 IslandMan
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I vote for Charlie Rose !

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1763640 knukles
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Along with Mitt and Slick Rick he's a Bilderburger/CFR, etc., etc., etc.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:03 | 1763751 nmewn
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Wonder what it would be like with Roemer on the stage...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:19 | 1763808 Reform1776
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He would at least raise the average IQ on the stage into the double digits. If he and Paul would join up.

Maybe run third party as a F-U to being excluded!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:32 | 1763859 nmewn
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Seen him on that idiots O'Donnels show....he made sense. I know why he had him on...but I look around anyways.

Third party I would vote against him...Barry has to go no matter what. Period.

It is what it is.

Edit: Cain just lost my Chairman was Greenspan?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:48 | 1763952 Reform1776
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What if there are more than three? What does that do to the math?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:50 | 1763960 Aeonios
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Edit: Cain just lost my Chairman was Greenspan?

You would've voted for Cain? Sicko.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:01 | 1764011 nmewn
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Spoken like a true anus, my hypocritical knife is sharp for you.

So tell me, my adolescent four week member...your choice is or was what?...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:08 | 1764035 dark pools of soros
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choose local politics and get involved instead of watching the circus from a bunker

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:16 | 1764065 nmewn
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You have no idea who I am or what bunker I could be the one right next to you, so watch where you piss.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:40 | 1764353 Dick Fitz
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NMEWN- (enemy within, right?)

Until you can critically assess the Repub candidates (and the Dems) and see that all of them (save the flawed but honest Ron Paul) are in bed with the Bankster cartels, and willing to sell out to them for power, then your vote is wasted.

Ron Paul isn't perfect- far from it (I would prefer it if he were more personally "liberal" socially) but I agree with 99% of his policies. I'm gay, and want to get married...and even though he doesn't think Georgia, or Utah, or Arizona should have to recognize it. Other than that, I can't find anything I don't like.

But, I know under a Paul presidency my anti-gov't views won't get me killed, if my state "legalizes" medical marijuana he won't invade, and he will get us OUT of Iraq/Iran/Somalia/Yemen/ The Stans and save hundreds of thousands of lives. He will also restore "sound money".

In my mind, he's the ONLY RATIONAL choice.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:56 | 1764387 cherry picker
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I have to agree with you and I have been around quite awhile, long enough to see how much everything has changed.

However, the President is only one man and he is fighting against a cartel of media and government manipulation which refuses to acknowledge that many people like his ideas.

That in and of itself should be enough to scare people

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 02:32 | 1764650 Libertarian777
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Your issue is his stance on gay marriage, and yet you quote his stance incorrectly. Ron Paul believes in individual rights. There are NO 'gay' rights. YOU, as an individual, should get the same treatment and privileges as ME. Who cares if you're gay, that is your PERSONAL choice as much as it is a personal choice for anyone else to stay single or get married.

Marriage shouldn't be a 'state (or fed) sanctioned' status. There should be no legal restrictions on anyone associating, bequeathing or donating their assets to anyone. You, as an individual are free to associate with anyone of your choosing, if that other person is of the same sex, there is no difference. If you choose to call your personal commitment 'marriage' and wish to do it in a church that allows it (and to which you are free to associate) that is your choice. You should need no license etc to get married. Yes there are legal issues currently (eg gay partner doesn't get visitation rights), but RPs position is that you as an individual should be able to associate with whoever and thus hospitals cannot restrict you as a gay partner from visiting. Also those legal issues currently exist exactly because THE STATE needs to 'approve' your marriage (via a license).

his standard position is to restore individual rights over state rights and state rights over federal power.

There should be no 'special rights' for 'gay marriage' anymore than there should be special rights for 'straight marriage'. THAT is Ron Paul's position politically.

His personal views on abortion and gay marriage do not change his view of government's role in either of those social issues. Which is to say they should have no role in either.

This is Ron Pauls consistent position in many Social and economic issues. Government should neither favor nor disfavor any person, group or belief.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:11 | 1764847 nmewn
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"NMEWN- (enemy within, right?)"

Correct...there is no need to go into why I chose it in this venue.

"Until you can critically assess the Repub candidates (and the Dems) and see that all of them (save the flawed but honest Ron Paul) are in bed with the Bankster cartels, and willing to sell out to them for power, then your vote is wasted."

I'm gonna take a wild ass guess and say the last president you voted for was Obama. And what critical assessments led you to waste your vote that way? 

You don't understand RP's position on gay marriage at all. He's not going to be using the power of the federal executive branch to force your will on anyone else...he is not a statist.

Maybe you should re-assess ;-)

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:54 | 1763986 NuckingFuts
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I saw him as well last night on O'Donnels show and he did make sense. It's a shame that was the first time I heard him speak for even that long (a short piece on the show). I for one would like hear more from the man. Obviously he is not kissing the right asses.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:00 | 1764007 Reform1776
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Google Buddy Roemer, there's a ton of stuff...


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:11 | 1764043 nmewn
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No, it doesn't look like he's kissing anyones ass.

He certainly swatted that reprobate O'Donnel off like a gnat...gonna look into him.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:26 | 1764099 NuckingFuts
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+1 so am I nmewn

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:21 | 1764450 lewy14
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Ditto. I took a hard look at Cain, but Greenspan... my god, Greenspan doesn't even think Greenspan was that good.

Anyway nmewn I like what you have to say, don't let the dings and arrows of outrageous javascript get you down.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:29 | 1764897 nmewn
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Tis better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all ;-)

No, I don't let the "progressive" dogs get to me...they appear here to cast tear at the peoples pant legs like someone on a bike as they ride down the lane trying to form an opinion on how to best get away. And like any other dog, the "progressive" dog will return to their own vomit, time after time.

Thanks see exactly what I see.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:40 | 1763665 clymer
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then you are clueless.


Why even watch this dupe-session. So I can watch Mitt give Ron Paul his trade-mark smirk, not turning his head the entire time while Ron talks (compare to to other candidates - Mitt is honed on Paul). Looks like Newt is also strategically smirking at RP when he speaks, while the camera pans skillfully between him and Mitt to illustrate the rediculousness of Ron Paul's responses.


Every debate is the same.


And shit - Michelle Bachman looks like a freaky old-school doll with the glass blue eyes that don't blink, from some 70's era scare flick

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:41 | 1763670 Talleyrand
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You'd think Charlie could have sobered up for the gig.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:50 | 1763709 weinerdog43
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Christ, no.  The best way to listen to this nonsense is to be completely pickled.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:53 | 1763720 divide_by_zero
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Goes for the absolute nonsense on his own show, just stay gassed 24/7.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:25 | 1763834 knukles
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Charlie?  An alkie? 
I'm (in all seriousness) surprised that he has not yet passed out in the middle of an interview.  He always seems stewed.  Always. 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:29 | 1763615 CrankItTo11
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Here's Mitt defending the bailouts. I think he's ridiculous.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:31 | 1763623 The Shootist
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I'm from his shitty state and I want to get the hell out. I cant stand him and the retards he caters to.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:32 | 1763625 JustACitizen
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Holy crap - our currency was saved by Bush/Paulson/Bernanke in 2008. Here I thought they were saving the shareholders/bondholders/bonus earners etc.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:49 | 1763702 Market Efficien...
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Gather Wall Street support here, when only the political elite watches. Once they are behind him, he can start dissing them in the broader debates towards the 2012 election. And then again its rhetoric versus action.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:30 | 1763618 sagerxx
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Romney is getting scads more time than anybody else.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:34 | 1763635 CrankItTo11
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Looks like he's the "selected" one

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:31 | 1763620 Reform1776
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Where's Buddy Roemer? The only qualified person ignored more than Ron Paul.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1763647 knukles
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Christina's husband?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:42 | 1763673 Reform1776
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No, former gov of LA, running for Republican nomination:

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:18 | 1764070 High Plains Drifter
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only two kinds of people come out of lousiana ...........crooks or preachers..........

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 07:14 | 1764856 Reform1776
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That may be true, but a lot of what Roemer is saying, and his actions seem legit. Not taking PAC money, $100 campaign contribution limit. This was his same self-imposed rule back when he ran(and won) as governor.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:31 | 1763621 yabyum
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What a pack of losers, save RP, I would not hire them to rake up the horse shit. Thank God they are politicians, they would be on food stamps other wise.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:39 | 1763659 knukles
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Cease and Decist.
Instead of dead presidents on moolah we'll have failed pols on the food stamps.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:17 | 1763795's picture

What a pack of losers, save RP, I would not hire them to rake up the horse shit


Ron Paul is the only hero capable of cleaning the Augean Stables.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:20 | 1764078 High Plains Drifter
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yes he has been cleaning for 30 years now.......

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:47 | 1764201's picture

And what have you been doing?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:32 | 1763627 Long-John-Silver
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Mitt Romney = Emperor Palpatine. Anytime he speaks he should have Star Wars theme music playing in the background.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1763641 CrankItTo11
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hahahahaha. If I could 1-up that a hundred times I would.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:55 | 1763728 weinerdog43
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You are perceptive my young Jedi, but you must release your hate. ;-)

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:38 | 1763655 wombats
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He can't even give a straight answer to any question that I've seen yet.  What a joke.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:46 | 1763690 Whoa Dammit
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And here I was thinking that Romney= the guy on the old Grecian Formula hair commercials, but you really nailed it.  :-D.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:53 | 1764031 Melin
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Alec Baldwin will have an eight year Mitt stint on SNL I'm aggrieved to predict.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:33 | 1763628 The Shootist
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Ron Paul touting the Austrians. Winning.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:35 | 1763638 InMisesITrust
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Nailed it......he is surrounded by Keynesian fluffers

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:28 | 1763844 jmc8888
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Keynesian and Austrians are both monetarists.


We don't need a differet type of monetary dogma (nor the current one).  Ron needs to get with the program, or else he is just as bad as the keynesians, just with a different bs methodology.



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 06:09 | 1764816 clymer
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in the mean time, can we just take the crony out of capitalism, and place a brake on the dollar printing press in the way of gold and silver backing (which worked for over 100 years)

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:33 | 1763629 Winston Smith 2009
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"Watch The WaPo/Bloomberg Republican Presidential Candidate Debate Live"

Why? I have more entertaining things to do than watch a bunch of lying idiots pretend to debate at a fifth grade level.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:38 | 1763652 CrankItTo11
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Because it's astonishing to see how much unlike the others Ron Paul is. He just nailed it - "everyone else is tinkering with the current system." The system is the problem.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:31 | 1763864 jmc8888
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Except Ron is still the follower of dogmatic Austrian school of the MONETARY system.

We need to get beyond monetarism.  Ron needs to ditch monetarism all together.  This is his fatal flaw.  He has others too, but that one is his fatal one.  He's great about a few things, and obviously worlds better than any other candidate out there.  But the way I see it, he's on the toilet seat, and everyone else is in the toilet bowl looking up at him.  

The swooshing you hear?  That's the MONETARY system going down the drain.


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:00 | 1764008 Aeonios
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Yeah! Fuck 'monetarism'. Let's all return to barter. I'll trade you two shotgun shells for one can of stfu. Any takers?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:47 | 1764369 Libertarian777
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End of the day it is ALL barter.

You don't EAT DOLLARS. You barter your labour or your goods for green pieces of paper with an 'official' stamp on it. Then you trade in (barter) those papers for consumable goods.

The heart of the matter is money ITSELF is a commodity. it doesn't HAVE to be MADE of a commodity, but the constitution DOES restrict the federal government to only coining GOLD AND SILVER.


Private individuals and corporations should be able to legally issue competing currencies, such as bitcoin, facebook credits, zynga gold, call of duty XP etc. Then YOU, the market can decide what you want to work for.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:04 | 1763754 UP Forester
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Could it be that high school graduates for the last decade or so graduate with a fifth-grade analytical level?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1763643 Johnny Lawrence
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Herman Cain makes me sick, literally.  I get a gross feeling in my stomach just listening to him.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:47 | 1763695 The Shootist
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He keeps saying "vote for me cause I'm a real black man." I'm sorry Cain, voting for a president just because he's black was part of the reason we're in our current mess -I'll vote for Paul.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:57 | 1764391 bxy
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the Herman Cain Fed discussion was priceless / disturbing.....RP challenged him......Cain lied, back-peddled, hemmed and hawed.....the defended not only TARP but Alan Greenspan which caused Dr. Paul to throw up in his mouth.

The HuffPo has already busted Cain's lies.....Some Paul followers found this video on Cain talking of the Fed......Could this guy really be this clueless especially when he worked at the KC Fed:

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:38 | 1763654 dick cheneys ghost
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That Bloomberg chick is smokin.............


btw.......Charlie Rose was at a recent bilderberg conf.........



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:41 | 1763668 knukles
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As I noted above, Mitt and Slick Rick are Bilderbugs as well as Charlie (Has he had another one too many drinks?) Rose.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:38 | 1763656 Buckaroo Banzai
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Is anyone else as terrified of Cain's 9/9/9 scheme as I am? I would be all for it if he had the balls to eliminate the income tax. But he didn't.

9/9/9 becomes 30/30/30 before you can blink twice.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:48 | 1763699 navy62802
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Dude, I'm terrified of the entire Republican field save for Ron Paul. I was sort of hoping that Christie would run because he at least seems reasonable. The thought of any of these candidates actually becoming president frightens the shit out of me. By the way, where the hell is the Democrat field? It's like where the hell are the Democrats. How many months have we been watching Republican debates ... and nothing from the other side?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:50 | 1763712 Reform1776
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Take five minutes and check out Buddy Roemer.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:30 | 1763857 WonderDawg
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The, uh, democrats already have their nominee, unless Hopey decides not to run, or the Dems decide to have a mutiny, which is unlikely.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:40 | 1763917 navy62802
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I think Obummer is far from locking up the Dem spot on the ticket.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:53 | 1764382 Libertarian777
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I agree. It's like i've been saying, ALL the republican, EXCEPT for Ron Paul, are ALL talking about having MORE POWER. They are all saying GIVE ME POWER, MORE POWER, and I will 'fix' government.

But they miss Ron Paul's point... government and the president should NOT have that power.

Fed should not have power to issue money.

President should not have power to execute people.

President should not have power to unilaterally enter a war.

FBI/NSA/CIA/TSA/DHS/FDA/USDA should not have power to search you without a warrant, threaten you with a gun, give you a 'shut-up or go to prison' letter etc.

Scariest thing is Ron Paul was saying how they are building up the case for war against Iran. And what do we hear today...I hope Michele Bachmann sends all her '28 children' to be on the frontline in the coming war with Iran.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 01:29 | 1764564 your neighbor
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Christie is endorsing Romney. Seems reasonable? Have you learned anything in the last 4 years????



Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:56 | 1763716 knukles
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Anyone who talks of New Taxes is an Asshole.
If they talk of less taxes, I'm all for it.

BTW, did you all know that the Income Tax came into existence as a segment of the negociations for Prohibition as theretofore about 70% of the Federal budget was derived from taxes on spirits?  Didja?
Fer real, dudes and dudettes, history.
T'is public record.
So, it were them fucking poltitcians (liberals and conservatives alike) trying to tell everybody how to live their private personal lives that got us an Income Tax which stands to this very fucking day as the Cornerstone for Big Government.

Talk about morre taxes?  
Beat a path away from my door.

PS.  The other evening a nice engaging (sounded) young lady calls.  Asks me if I'm excited (teee heeh) about the prospect of the Dems being tossed from office.  Of course, I reply.  So she asks me who particularly like on the R roster.  I say Ron Paul.  She starts on about what a good fucking guy he is, etc.  So, asks if I'll renew my memebership in the R Party.  I pointed out that I'm not registered with any party.  She says well, that I still can contribute to the R party to help elect R Paul. 
I told her that if I'm gonna contribute to R Paul's election I'd do it directly because the R Party is the one and the same other half of the problem which is destroying America.
She did not sound any too suprised..... 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:06 | 1763765 nmewn
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"BTW, did you all know that the Income Tax came into existence as a segment of the negociations for Prohibition as theretofore about 70% of the Federal budget was derived from taxes on spirits?  Didja?"

Watched it...Burns did a good job with it.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:17 | 1763796 knukles
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Exceptional presentation. 
Really took the zetigeist, expanded upon the Unintended and Ancillary Consequences of the Idiocy of the Statist Imposition of Morality and Truths...
Good thing that's not happening anymore...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:21 | 1763815 nmewn
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I hear ya.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:04 | 1764017 tarsubil
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No, I did not realize that. I knew the amendments were next to each other and part of that horrible trifecta of the early 1900s but I didn't know they were so directly linked. Makes me think prohibition was really just cover for instituting an income tax. Not the other way around. Just as wars are made for the MIC and the MIC is not made from wars. Ultimately, the income tax is what domestically supports FRNs. It is so critical that I bet that it was the real motivation behind the methodists pushing prohibition. Fascinating shit there, thanks.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:06 | 1764028 NuckingFuts
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Saw it as well. A well done show. Just made me think of all the "revenue" that could be generated by eliminating prohibitions on other recreational drugs. As I sit here with my bourbon that I paid a lot of tax on and my weed which I paid zero tax on.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:50 | 1763961 Id fight Gandhi
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999? The beast upside down 666

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:08 | 1764034 tarsubil
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That is what I was thinking. I'd believe Cain is THE anti-Christ before the clueless stooge Obama. Cain is a perfect name for THE anti-Christ. I was worried that Obama was a sort of anti-John the Baptist also. What if the Israeli's secretly are rebuilding the Temple or have already rebuilt it? As a doomer told me a couple years ago, "first, get right with God."

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:26 | 1764101 High Plains Drifter
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cain is a weird dude, no doubt...........weird...........

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:51 | 1764212 karzai_luver
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anyone that can serve that shit pizza will never get my vote. what a criminal shit pie that g'fathers crap is.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 00:00 | 1764399 bxy
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the Herman Cain Fed discussion was priceless / disturbing.....RP challenged him......Cain lied, back-peddled, hemmed and hawed.....the defended not only TARP but Alan Greenspan which caused Dr. Paul to throw up in his mouth.

The HuffPo has already busted Cain's lies.....Some Paul followers found this video on Cain talking of the Fed......Could this guy really be this clueless especially when he worked at the KC Fed:

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:45 | 1764352 Prometheus418
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Doesn't work that way.

Inversion does not imply equivilence, it implies opposites, or the negative aspect of a concept.  Generally speaking, it isn't used numerically- it's too hard to broadcast, as only 6 and 9 can be inverted that way.  The negative aspect is generally a Tarot thing, and opposite is generally used with odd-sided geometric figures to represent an intentional disruption of the natural order of things, the elements in the case of pentagrams, the planets in the case of septagrams.

Interestingly, in western qaabalah, 6=Gold and 9=Silver.  Triple digits are, of course, the signal to sit up and take notice of the number- 666 is the house of gold, and 999 is the house of silver.  Assuming that these dirtballs are using Golden Dawn symblolism, which is a fair bet, you can break the rest down as follows: 333=Chaos=Lead=Black; 444=Expansion=Tin=Blue; 555=War=Iron=Red; 666=Triumph=Gold=Yellow; 777=Love=Copper=Green; 888=Technology=Mercury=Orange; 999=Volitility=Silver=Purple.  Ones and twos are reserved mainly for overarching cosmology, 1 representing the Crown, and 2 representing the entirety of the Zodiac.

If you want to actually pursue occult numerology, Crowley's 777 and other Qaabalistic writings is probably the easiest resource to find and reference.  Whatever you may think of Crowley himself, it was just a compliation of a long-standing set of concepts in ritual magick, and predates him- the book was an attempt to create an occult "database" to act as a reference material.  I wouldn't put too much stock in the numbers themselves, though- I spent a long time studying this stuff, and it's my belief that these correlations are just a smokescreen used as a method to increase memory capacity and train a mind to both seek correlations and to file information in an orderly manner for quick recall.  That being said, the numbers and correlations can be used for clandestine communication, and I know that this is done in some areas, though I have no idea whether or not they are used in finance.  I wouldn't put my money in on them, as I've seen plently of moves that could be signals that lead to nothing.

Anyhow, I guess the point is be careful what associations you make with this sort of thing- not because of any mystical signifigance, but because it's like a computer- garbage in will give you garbage out.  There are clearly stated rules and definitions, and they're not that hard to uncover if you actually want to know.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:41 | 1763671 krispkritter
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Jeezus...did Bloomberg hire every hottie 'reporter' straight from Playboy's pages?  Can't believe RP gets 30 seconds here and there and these other talking (shit)heads get license to re-read War and Peace. Perry is another stuttering, semi-illiterate from Texas, Romney is a Democrat in sheeps clothing, Cain I will never trust regardless of business record unless they release every transcript of every meeting he was in as co and Chair of the Fed...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:43 | 1763678 Johnny Lawrence
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Ron Paul needs to be like Newt Gingrich.  Gingrich just interrupts.  Paul knows he won't get asked questions.  He needs to take the initiative and interrupt these assholes.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:52 | 1763718 Reform1776
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You hit the nail on the head. He is apparently too much of a statesman.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:00 | 1763740 knukles
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Gentleman.  he's too much of a gentleman.
MSM needs to be sent to re-education camps, with the Good Olde Knuck as their head tutor.
T'would be a rather appropriate revenge, no?  Shades of Mao, Stalin, all the good lode leftist think tanks.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:39 | 1763912 Dane Bramage
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Gentleman, Statesman & the patience of a Saint!    This is really painful to watch (this is the first debate this year I have watched).   This just makes me want to scream BURN!!!  LET IT BURN!!!    Paul just got in a good point about The SarbanesOxley Act of 2002.  God bless the good doctor... I'd have thrown up my hands and left.  

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:44 | 1763679 shahroodi
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when asked about housing ,Ron showed at last one person between them really knows the economy...go Ron go

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:46 | 1763689 Johnny Lawrence
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Anyone ever watch the Family Guy episode when Lois runs for mayor and she learns to say things that the masses just eat up.  She answers every question "9/11".  That's what Herman Cain reminds me of.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:47 | 1763691 PaperBear
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Did Herman Cain just say sound money ?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:38 | 1764162 pettolicious
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And he threw in a price stabeeletee as well


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:49 | 1763694 Long-John-Silver
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Ron Paul = Obi Wan Kenobi

Considered to be a crazy old hermit living in the desert. If given the chance he will be the only one that can save us.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:20 | 1763810's picture

Can I be the Wookie?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 22:11 | 1764044 NuckingFuts
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These are not the canidates you are looking for- RP as Obi

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:48 | 1763700 Talleyrand
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What's this Nein! Nein! Nein! plan?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:50 | 1763707 Jim Dunlop
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Well if you put it that way, it's disobedient, which may be good!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:22 | 1763821's picture

If you play it backwards he says, "turn me on, dead man."

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:49 | 1763704 Jim Dunlop
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LOL I love it when the US accuses China of currency Romney just did.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:50 | 1763710 PaperBear
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Is Ron Paul in this debate ?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:12 | 1763784 navy62802
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Who's Ron Paul?

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 23:57 | 1764390 Libertarian777
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it's interesting actually. There was nothing to debate.

They were all arguing about 'replacing Obamacare' with 'Perrycare' 'Romneycare', 'Bachmann care' etc.

Ron Paul would say the same thing. GTFO of people's lives. No 'care' by the government for anything. No taxes.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:52 | 1763717 navy62802
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Perry looks like a monkey right now.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:28 | 1763775 Reform1776
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Ricky Bobby Perry

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:53 | 1763722 JustACitizen
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Well - I guess we know who pays Perry off...exclusively.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:55 | 1763729 samsara
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What a perfect host.  Charlie Rose.   Inside man

Ask him how the last build a burger meeting was. 

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:56 | 1763732 Howard
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Rick Perry changes the convesation off of the China currency debate because he doesn't understand it

Cain wants to expand the monetary base (real original)

Rick Santorum "I want to go to war with China" (talking about a trade war) really smart fool

Mitt Romney won't cut military spending, which is laughably high

I can't stand these idiots


Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:02 | 1763749 knukles
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These people are destined to further the continued destruction of America.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:04 | 1763752 Market Efficien...
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That's how your candidates appear pre-season, before spinning. OMG, with that combined incompetence, even thabummer looks like a problem solver.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:57 | 1763734 JustACitizen
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We need Ron Paul...and we need to flush Congress!

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:57 | 1763735 Triple A
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damn Perry is dumb

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:04 | 1763753 Reform1776
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Rod Blagojevich In Cowboy Boots.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:10 | 1763776 Market Efficien...
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Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:11 | 1763782 knukles
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spelled: Blowjobovitch

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:59 | 1763738 Market Efficien...
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What I really don't get with the US system, the set of eligible candidates is pretty much defined in the first primaries, which are concerning the avg citizen and the state's social structure above the national average.

How would Paul succeed in such a system. Conduct the first primaries in NY and Cal and you have Paul as the GOP candidate. The way it works now, you will never have a candidate liked by the masses but doubted by the elite leading the race.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:07 | 1763769 JustACitizen
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Because of the early primary states (IA/SC/NH/etc)  - you have a laser like focus on social issues and tax issues. You have almost nothing on the greater concerns of the economy...


Unfortunately Ron Paul issues are more abstract...

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 20:59 | 1763739 sagerxx
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"We will go to Governor Romney and then to Congressman Paul."

Or not.

~ 8:54.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 21:00 | 1763741 Long-John-Silver
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Rick Perry = 3-PCO*


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