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Weekly Bull/Bear Recap: Thanksgiving Edition, 2011

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Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:28 | 1913785 Ahmeexnal
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Who cares, run to your nearest globalmarket so you can grab a couple of $2 waffle makers!


Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:35 | 1913809 mrgneiss
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Hey, anyone heard of this ex Goldman Suchs director, Nomi Prins, and how's she's taking on the financial industry?


Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:36 | 1913818 Careless Whisper
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The Careless Whisper Ahead Of The Curve Update And Threadjacking


Cuba Makes Small Business Loans


Trending: Worker Strikes In China; 1,000 Strike Apple & IBM Supplier; 400 Strike Bra Factory After Boss Tells Emloyees "Jump Off A Roof"; 7,000 Strike New Balance, Nike Factory


2 Minutes, 27 Seconds; That's How Long It Takes NYC Firemen Heroes To Respond To Flame Engulfed House On Thanksgiving; Man And Baby In Cardiac Arrest In Burning House Rescued


LA County Sheriff Buys Baghdad Tested Military Tchnology To Use Against Civilians


Trailer Park Landlord Bulldozes Unwanted Family


Largest Apple Store Set To Open in Grand Central Station


New Jersey Police Charged With Extortion After "Driving While Latino" Stops


Bombing Is Fun & Games: CHILIBOMB Restaurant Opens In CT; First Choose Your Warhead, Then Payload...


Sexy Models At LA Auto Show


NBC Apologizes For Playing Song "Lyin' Ass Bitch" When Presidential Candidate Bachmann Walked On Stage


Homeland Security Buys $1.5 Million Office Building In Resort Key West


North Carolina Politicians Gave Away Big Tax Breaks For Apple's $1 Billion Data Center; Employees 50


Outside The Box; Hollywood Producers Harvey & Bob Weinstein Want Katy Perry To Play Marilyn Monroe In Their New Film's Broadway Version; They Release MASHUP MUSIC VIDEO Of Perry And Movie Scenes To Woo Her


MASHUP MUSIC VID OF THE DAY: "My Week With Marilyn" With Katy Perry's "The One That Got Away"



Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:07 | 1913901 Tyler Durden
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She is a frequent guest posted on zero hedge

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:32 | 1913941 slewie the pi-rat
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did you pay Robo_T to write this as a parody?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:36 | 1913817 Skid Marks
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Gobble Gobble Gobble

Chinese TV Host Says Regime Nearly Bankrupt


Fri, 11/25/2011 - 20:29 | 1914163 max2205
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Why is this post on ZH ?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:44 | 1913841 Gidas19
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god please help these people, they dont even need those waffle makers...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:59 | 1913884 Roland99
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But I love my Dexia-branded Belgian Waffle maker!!


Fri, 11/25/2011 - 18:21 | 1914025 Iconoclast
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Haha, thanks for the link, keep calm and carry on eh?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:30 | 1913790 Jonas Parker
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Happy Thanksgiving, folks! The turkeys have taken over the financial markets!

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:31 | 1913797 johnu78
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It's not the Turkeys it's the Parasites!



Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:19 | 1913920 Elwood P Suggins
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Maybe someone should beat the stuffing out of them.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:30 | 1913793 unionbroker
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err...... muddling along with a 1.5 trillion dollar annual defecit are you freaking kidding?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:31 | 1913798 LawsofPhysics
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Exactly, let this fraudulent debt burn in hell already.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:31 | 1913795 LawsofPhysics
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Has nothing to do with exports to Europe and more to do with all the "financial (bullshit) products" and "profits" that get booked in Euros and turned into dollars.  Fuck the paper pushing fucknuts, let them all burn, plenty of companies around to deliver real goods and services once the government and paper-pusher are dead.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:31 | 1913796 Caviar Emptor
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Disagree that the US economy is anything close to sound. Right beneath the surface is the face of growing discouragement and discontent. The notion is this: staying the course might be the worst thing that could possibly happen

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:34 | 1913808 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, with the drumbeat of war growing louder in the ME, this will play right into the fear that will be used to do "something" like more QE because if we don't, well, it will be just "horrible".  Fuck the Fed, the "horrible" part is that they won't keep collecting all the excessive and fraudulent usury.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:16 | 1913916 jcaz
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Agreed;   No mention of the inevitable mortgage mess in the US coming to a head,  and the "improved earnings outlook" will be slashed in a nanosecond if the Euro implodes-

Can talk all day long about the psychology of the US consumer being much worse than the economic numbers should suggest, but sometimes, there is a good reason why people feel pissy.........

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:32 | 1913800 disabledvet
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There's nothing in the data that says the US must follow Europe

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:34 | 1913806 sony1
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"Bullish case appealing?" Looks like a permabull might have hacked the site.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:37 | 1913820 sabra1
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" The ball's in Europe's court and they need to take action. If they act now, it may still be on time to avert a Chinese hard-landing. The bulls would end up as winners and risk assets would make a comeback."

this poster has no friggin' idea of what's going on! i want my two minutes back of wasted time  reading this stuff! 

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:37 | 1913821 InternetInfidel
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" U.S. economic data remains a major thorn in the bear thesis."


Yeah if the data was real....

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:38 | 1913823 foxenburg
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Forgive me if I missed it - it's been a long day - but what was the third option?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:42 | 1913837 Iconoclast
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This article is based on the false premise and misconception that everything is cool in the land of the free and brave..it isn't, it's a mess..

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:05 | 1913897 LowProfile
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You must mean this part

Like I said before, the bullish case is appealing. Valuations are very tempting for stocks. If analysts earnings estimates were correct, the market would already be discounting a mild recession.



Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:42 | 1913838 whoisjohngalt11
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 Selling off Groupon , Netflix etc. to shop black friday...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 16:53 | 1913868 vast-dom
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Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:51 | 1913981 slewie the pi-rat
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i think this might be part of an application to be put in charge of belgium

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:01 | 1913889 Fish Gone Bad
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The ball's in Europe's court and they need to take action.

This phrase is used/paraphrased a lot.  Anyone given a thought as to what it means?  People talk about it like it like there is some kind of simple answer.  Aren't the answers already known????

The choices are: Default, or Extend and Pretend.

They are following the extend and pretend path and will do so until something unforeseen happens.


Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:09 | 1913904 adr
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The bullshit case exists and it is real, there fixed that whopper of a statement. The bullish case doesn't exist. Every bullish data point is based on made up statistics and government intervention. Very surprised by the disconnect bewtween american consumption and consumer sentiment. I'm not. Welfare is a powerful thing. The government is financing the increase in consumer spending wth generous welfare payments, how many new people are on disability for depressionor vertigo now? The lower class citizens of America have figured out living off the government is a sweet ride, free food, subsidzed rent, free health care. Even if you make minimum wage make sure to get that healthy EIC. Meanwhile I can assure every NY stock trader the real middle class workers are barely getting by and getting quite pissed off to see welfare queens loading up shopping carts full of things a middle class joe can only dream about. With ever passing day a bloody uprising where the upper and lower classes get slaughtered so the middle class lives again. But please just keep thing the bull market high really existed on sound fundamentals.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:20 | 1913921 jcaz
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Yep-  had to smile when Cramer suggested that the US consumer was feeling "spendy" because he was no longer forced to make his mortgage payment, thereby freeing up extra money every month to buy more Nikes..........

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:47 | 1913974 Sheikh Dani
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Totally agree.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:23 | 1913924 GiantVampireSqu...
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The subprime mortgage crisis was felt all over the world, that was only 3trillion, and was contained quickly and descisively.  The EMU crisis is 30trillion of govt bonds, zero risk rated, teir 1 capital etc.  This is going global don't doubt it.  Stocks will tank regardless of any new plans.  Markets don't move in a straight line, but there is no escaping this crash.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:28 | 1913935 Great Depressio...
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Went long several ES contracts at the end of the session after the dump. After so many down days I'm betting we can see a sustained pop to 1175 possible 1200 based on short covering, rumors of rumors and simply technicals.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 19:07 | 1914074 LongBallsShortBrains
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Good luck.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 20:36 | 1914175 Father Lucifer
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Don't count on it, downward momo is increasing. Wouldn't be surprised to see another gap down on Monday>

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:36 | 1913940 MFL8240
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1.  U.S. Economic data has been quite encouraging and the economy remains muddling along.- REALLY? LIKE WHAT?

2.  The S&P 500 could possibly make a run at the bull market highs. yEP AND IT COULD POSSIBLY GO DOWN ANOTHER 50%.

3.  The other increasingly significant problem is China.  Recent manufacturing PMI data showed that the sector is contracting at its broadest pace in more than 30 months. SO, LETS SEE IF i GET IT.  CHINA EXPORTS PRIMARILY TO THE US WHOSE ECONOMY IS ENCOURAGING SO WHY IS CHINAS MANUFACTURING CONTRACTING??

4.  Like I said before, the bullish case is appealing. Valuations are very tempting for stocks. If analysts earnings estimates were correct, the market would already be discounting a mild recession. - ANALYSTS HAVENT BEEN RIGHT YET AND MOST BANK EARNINGS WERE ON BOND GAMES AND ACCOUNTING GIMMICKS.



Fri, 11/25/2011 - 21:09 | 1914222 gmrpeabody
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I am sure you just didn't realize it, but did you know your CAPS lock was stuck in the ON position?

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:39 | 1913955 ISEEIT
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Government politicians were HIRED to deliver globalization. They are now expected to CONTINUE delivering.

They almost certainly will, after all they have no doubt had it made clear what sort of fate is manifest to those who dare to buck 'the system'.

Globalization it is bitchez.

I actually do suspect that the bull(shit) scenerio is most likely in the immediate future. They do hold all the cards.

Deal is though on the otherside that they don't respect or follow rules. They might have a bit of fun 'waterboarding' us just for shits and giggles. Let the system hit bottom, or even implode? Why not? Emergency situations are best for snatch and grab ops against the silly sheeple.

They are VERY hungry right now, and key elections are coming up quick. In the minds of these sick fucks and more importantly, the real powers who pull their strings, the time to act is NOW.

I favor the market still because I don't think we have lost yet. I still look for spikes to short and suspect that it is still to soon for them to make their final move. Shorting the spikes ought to do well untill about Feb/March 012.

After that an 'amazing' solution will be found (Massive Q.E from the fed and ECB). They have the team in place and really don't want to risk further delay.

Reality of course is that they will flood fake liquidity into the system, timed to inflate the bubble enough to protect the axemen who will shortly thereafter issue our death warrants.

They know as well as we do that the game is so very nearly over.

After all, they planned it that way.

Less than 100 years and the plan has so nearly achieved the original goal!


Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:39 | 1913957 gangland
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Russian Dollar Holdings from sept 2010 173.3 to sept 2011 94.6


Russia 94.6 97.1 100.7 110.7 115.2 125.4 127.8 130.5 139.3 151.0 167.3 176.3 173.3
Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:44 | 1913965 Hulk
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Those fools, 173 bucks won't even get you out of the grocery store these days...

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:42 | 1913961 gerryscat
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Europe take care of business quickly? I assume you are just visiting planet earth. And Europe IS blowing up.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:51 | 1913982 Great Depressio...
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Not surprised that the ZH community dislike the article but I'm glad the Tylers have these upside risk discussions. As a trader you can't be neither a permabull or bear, but both when necessary. As we have seen time and again throughout the past 3 years equities can easily pull a rip your fucking face of rally out of nowhere. Therefore you must be positioned to take advantage of said blowoffs.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 20:09 | 1914132 Rip van Wrinkle
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'As a trader...'

What the fuck has the US economy or any other economy got to do witn trading? All you're doing is looking, at best, 24 hours out and either taking a loss or taking a profit. What the fuck has that got to do with anything other than rumour and HFT? Trading's a game of fucking roulette. Period.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 20:20 | 1914150 Great Depressio...
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Uh, you don't have to be a HFT to have gone short the blow out rally of October. Patient swing traders can still make money in this market. The article simply referenced the bullish and bearish points of the week.

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 17:56 | 1913990 azzhatter
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my first reaction was the oversimplification of Europe and China situation is astounding

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 18:30 | 1914032 no life
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I think it would be brest if they just gave up on the whole Eurozone experiement..

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 19:19 | 1914072 slewie the pi-rat
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hopefully, no boobs will be injured as the super-saturated "solution" of fiat ignites the colloidal suspension of sovereign bonds, and the laboratory explodes

Fri, 11/25/2011 - 18:35 | 1914041 TradingJoe
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Bullish short term= printing
Bearish short/middle/long term not printing or printing " a little " :)))

Buy now sell in January then sell in January and buy in May (election support)!!!

After that hunker down, with lots of supplies!!!

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