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"The Weight Of The Nation": Documenting America's Obesity Epidemic: Part 1 - Consequences

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68.8% of Americans are overweight or obese: this stunning fact, setting aside the unsustainability of US fiscal or monetary policy, means that something must change in this country, or very soon it won't matter if America has $20 trillion or $1 googol in debt: everyone will be simply too fat to care. And, shortly thereafter, too dead. Now that America's obesity epidemic is rapidly, and finally, becoming a front and center topic of conversation, and one which can not be excluded from any rational healthcare policy discussion, increasingly more media has started to narrow in, pardon the pun, on the causes, consequences, choices and challenges involved in recognizing that America does in fact have an obesity problem, and that the sooner proactive steps are taken, the better for everyone. As Charles Hugh Smith pointed out recently, sickcare represents a(n at least) 8% hidden VAT tax to all Americans, of which obesity is the primary cause for outflows: this number will only grow, until it too becomes merely one more unsustainable line item in America's increasingly improbable income statement. Starting tonight, HBO is releasing a 4 part documentary titled "The Weight of the Nation - confronting America's obesity epidemic" to bring more attention to a systemic threat which if left unchecked will, by 2020, impact 75% of America's population. We present the first movie in the series below, and will bring the remaining three parts shortly.


From HBO:

The first film in 'The Weight of the Nation' series examines the scope of the obesity epidemic and explores the serious health consequences of being overweight or obese.


The first character we meet is Cindy. Born and raised in Bogalusa, Louisiana, Cindy is the mother of two grown sons and now a proud grandmother. Cindy allowed HBO into her home and life to discuss some very painful things. Only 99 pounds when she got married, Cindy has struggled with her weight ever since her first pregnancy. And it's only gotten harder.


Health and behaviors in early childhood can have serious consequences later on in life. The Bogalusa Heart Study - of which Cindy was a participant - shows that overweight and obese children have risk factors for heart disease, even at a young age.


The obesity epidemic is a problem that's emerged over the last 30 years. It threatens our nation's social, economic and physical health. But, unlike a natural disaster, obesity is often preventable. Although overall obesity prevalence rates appear to be leveling off, there are still far too many Americans who are overweight or obese and who continue to develop health problems as a result. In order to end the epidemic, everyone must be part of the solution.


At the level of our DNA, we're programmed to eat as much as we can to survive and store the extra as fat for future energy use. In a world where calorie-dense, sugar-laden and fatty foods are available around every corner, that's a problem. The good news is that, even if the propensity to gain weight is written into our genes, we're not fated to a lifetime of fat.


As we take a look at communities across the country - from New York City to Santa Ana, California - it is clear that we have all been getting heavier. But the problem doesn't affect all communities equally. The sad fact is that obesity rates are higher in some ethnic communities and in lower-income states. The trends are so extreme that they are attracting the attention of health officials and lawmakers.


Obesity among children is also rising, and it's a real threat that may have lasting health consequences. As Anna Busby says, based on her observations as the nurse of the Bogalusa Middle School Health Clinic, overweight and obese children are at risk of being "on dialysis in their thirties if we don't do something now." The good news is that we can make a difference in our children's lives both now and as they get older by helping them adopt healthy eating behaviors and become more active.


There's a powerful connection between being overweight or obese and having heart disease as an adult. The heart, our hardest-working muscle, spends every second of every day vigorously pumping blood to the farthest reaches of our bodies. The larger we become, the harder our hearts have to work to keep blood circulating. The bottom line: being overweight or obese places you at a higher risk of developing heart disease and suffering a stroke as an adult.


Beyond the cardiovascular system, excess weight has negative consequences throughout the body. "Almost every organ system in the body is adversely affected by having excess body fat," says Dr. Samuel Klein, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at Washington University in St. Louis.


Even a small amount of excess weight, accumulated slowly at the rate of a few pounds a year over many years, can lead to type 2 diabetes. Being over 45 years of age, having a family history of diabetes, being physically inactive and being overweight or obese can increase a person's chances of developing type 2 diabetes. If poorly controlled or left untreated, type 2 diabetes can lead to a number of serious health problems, including heart attack, stroke, kidney disease, blindness, amputation and even death.


Obesity is not only one of the top public health issues facing our country; it's also a threat to our nation's bottom line. Rising obesity rates threaten to drag our economy down through higher health care costs and lower productivity. Currently, 69% of American adults are overweight or obese.

Full documentary:

h/t stock_bitch


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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:33 | 2425346 Colombian Gringo
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We are a nation of fat fucks.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:35 | 2425352 Dave Thomas
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Pass the Mac N Cheese please!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:49 | 2425384 Rubbish
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Here we go again.


ZH weightwatchers

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:10 | 2425427 Max Fischer
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Most of the fattest Americans are also the most conservative: West Virginia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Oklahoma.... etc.

Not surprising, these states also have the largest per capita of rednecks and hillbillies. 

Fat. Dumb. Conservative. Easily duped by holy fairy tales and political charlatans. 



Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:18 | 2425450 Scarticia
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Come on down.  We will eat you.  Scars

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:21 | 2425461 CharlieSDT
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I see fat people.


Everywhere I go in America they’re there, mountainous creatures waddling down the street armed with their XXL Big and Tall outfits, burritos in hand, with gargantuan partners and morbidly obese children drinking Super Big Gulps filled with sugar soda.  Sweating through their pits at the slightest effort and mouth breathing like some woolly mammoth out of Ice Age, these disgusting creatures are everywhere and it is only getting worse.  This is an epidemic that is to America what AIDS is to Africa.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:28 | 2425480 Scarticia
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You talking to me dead meat?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:38 | 2425515 CharlieSDT
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Of course not, sir.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:13 | 2425551 hedgeless_horseman
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As we did yesterday, this is what you could eat for breakfast...if you exercise.

Whole wheat waffles with blackberries from the garden, whipped cream from our milking short horn, and a fresh blackberry, yard egg, local honey, and home-made-yogurt smoothie.

Wife and I, deep in the heart of Texas, ran 4.5 miles tonight in our DIY Luna Sandals. Thanks, Barefoot Ted, and God bless the late Caballo Blanco. 


Or you can enjoy Olive Garden's Groupon special and watch television. 

Your choice.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:14 | 2425723 squidward
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It's amazing what you can eat when you make your food from scratch, instead of eating processed food full of fillers and empty calories.  And how many eggos would it take to make you feel as full?  Double the calories?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:45 | 2425786 Popo
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Fat people are less likely to rise up and take to the streets. This is all part of 'control'. Pump the populace up into lazy, immobile states and the formula for stability is complete.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:10 | 2425828 CompassionateFascist
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Shortly after WW I, and the 1919-20 Terror Famine imposed by the Encirclement Powers on Germany & Austria, the Germans presented them with a bill for "lost tonnage of national flesh". I like this concept. National Flesh. Amerikwa has too much National Flesh. But this is all good. When the EBT cards stop working, a lot of this National Flesh is going to be reduced by intra-species consumption. Yummm...plump, White, urban Cosmic-Libs and fat Jews roasting slowly over open fires, basting in their own juices...surrounded by crowds of hungry, lip-smacking Spics and Congoids. Long Pig. It's what's (going to be) for dinner.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:14 | 2426035 Oh regional Indian
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Zen Monks eat 1,200 calories a day. With those calories, they wake up at 0400, mditate 3 times a day, cook, clean and GROW all their own food, clean massive temple courtyards, some practice martial arts...

On 1,200 calories.

Americans are fat because your ntire food chain is screwed to begin with AND your life-styles encourage sedantary behaviour.

In addition, gyms are bad for you (really really REALLY f'n bad), as are all those machines that fat folks buy at costco thinking that walking on a machine (actually staying in place while the machine moves the road for you, what a concept eh, and then we'll call it exercise)...

America and the west has to kick their machine adddiction. Else the pattern is clear


and fat to boot.




Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:35 | 2426046 AldousHuxley
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No free healthcare for fact fucks.


Ask your doctor why medical care is is because of all of the fat fucks who smoke all kinds of shit and drink too much cheap beer.


Welfare shoulud be paid in terms of vegetables and spices , not debit cards so fat fucks can buy more fat to eat.


also, what's up with free lunch for illegal mexican fat fucking kids? If your child is obese, no free school lunches.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 08:00 | 2426242 Max Hunter
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ORI.. You are full of shit.. Gyms are not bad.. Excersize is excersize.. What is one to do when it's 5 deg F. outside? Stop being an idiot.. I know a lot about working out and nutrition and I look the part.. Thanks to the gym..

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:23 | 2426480 oddjob
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Gyms are for fat useless urbanites.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 16:49 | 2433021 Maghreb
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Look the part but my money is on those zen fuckers being more efficent and insanely healthy because of it.............

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:17 | 2425731 palmereldritch
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This epidemic is ripe territory for WB7.  Hey Bill, how about People of Wall St.? Have you done this already?

This could explain the epidemic of fat fingered traders!

(And no, Bill is not allowed to sleep!..just kidding Bill get a couple of hours, some of your latest images burn so much I'd hate to see what sleep deprivation would conjure!!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:38 | 2425769 A Nanny Moose
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French toast from a stale artisan baguette, topped in a reduction of fresh blueberries, vanilla extract and cinnamon.

Scrambled eggs with fresh basil and goat cheese.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:05 | 2425810 Spastica Rex
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So much better here with intellectuals, isn't it boys?

Edit: And you do know that vanilla extract is really blue collar, right? Did you buy it at Walmart?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:37 | 2426081 A Nanny Moose
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I know that have better uses for my time than trying to raise orchids.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:43 | 2425776 TBT or not TBT
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Fatty liver disease, a direct result of eating lots of sugar and refined carbs, can strike thin people too.   Don't kid yourself that powering your body mostly on carbs is going to keep you thin throughout your life.   It is actually aging you fast.  

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:44 | 2425782 Hulk
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Damn, you have nice presentation HH !!!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:50 | 2425796 hedgeless_horseman
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Is it real, or Instagram?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 05:55 | 2426132 Dr Benway
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It looks delicious, but as a dessert.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:33 | 2425489 Central Bankster
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I read your blog, I laughed.


Wait, that’s not all, because there’s then even fatter category of fat people these days called the “morbidly obese”. They are like a whole new species. Blocking entire doorways and gorging themselves on processed food, some of them get so fat they can’t even walk and have to ride a little motorized scooter around.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:49 | 2426087 Sokhmate
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The BBW species (Big Bloating Whales)

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:30 | 2425758 A Nanny Moose
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Can we make 'im squeal like a pig first? ;)

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:22 | 2425457 Central Bankster
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never mind waste of time.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:24 | 2425465 kekekekekekeke
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you kind of have a point my west coast friend was shocked by the fatties and super-fatties abound when she came to visit me in OK


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:29 | 2425479 Bitchin Bear
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Hasty generalization there Max.  Check the racial make up of all those southern states. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:33 | 2425491 a growing concern
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If you're insinuating that white people aren't some fat-ass fucks along with people of other races, then come on down, and I will show you some great white fatties.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:43 | 2425529 Bitchin Bear
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I'm already down here and my sister is one of those great white fatties.  Just saying everybody's racist about some group whether it's rednecks, hillbillies, oakies, or urban brothers and sistas.  No need to single one out.  It's an American epidemic.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:46 | 2425781 TBT or not TBT
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If you are human, alive and therefore have skin, any color of skin, and you eat lots of refined carbs and sugar, you're going to get fat and sick.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:16 | 2425859 Dixie Rect
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Fat woman came into the store today, she was so big, she had three smaller women orbitting around her.



Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:52 | 2426089 Sokhmate
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You witnessed Newton's Law of Gravitation

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:32 | 2425487 Thunder_Downunder
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Entrepreneurial opportunity...


Southern folk just need to be harvested. "Clean Biofuel, made right here in the USA".  'Rendomatic 1000' Fat people go in, clean energy comes out...


Thats something you guys could hang your hat on. Come on america, innovate your way to healthier living AND energy security. What's not to love?


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:54 | 2425548 max2205
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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:37 | 2425629 kalum
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I live in new mexico. Most of the serious fat rolling around at young ages  is of the Mexican/Indian extraction, which is a large part of our population. It is a coultural and educational thing plus a fatty fast food diet is cheap


I am 80 years old, weigh 115 , 5 foolt 7  live on a very restrictiv e  diet  of protein .(meats and eggs)vegtables, tomatoes mushrooms etc and excerc ise  regularly of No european dexent. It is a constant never ending strruggle to contain weight gain

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:16 | 2425858 hedgeless_horseman
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Keep it up, young lady!

Happy to have you posting here, and being in community with us.


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:29 | 2425883 Cathartes Aura
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perhaps the research pointing to a genetic reaction to "sugar" in all forms, from foods to alcohol - these people did not eat or drink concentrated sugars historically.  you'll find this to be true in other cultures new to the amrkn "diet" of HFCS sweet sodas and junk candies, the children are the canaries. . . native americans and native peoples from mexico, central america, etc. had hundreds if not thousands of corn varietals - all being cross pollinated out of existence by GMO-korn, which is primarily seen as feedlot fattener, fed to livestock in their last weeks in order to pump up the weight for selling off.

I'm not making excuses for poor dietary habits - they exist, I realise this - but even people trying to source decent ingredients for traditional meals, corn frybread or tortillas, etc. - are faced with GMO garbage that is a slow kill, aided by pharma, intentionally. . .

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:47 | 2426619 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Not at all, just regurgitating gross misinformation largely from the first word to the last, that's all.

A calorie is a calorie, been proven too many times to count. Need the latest? Google twinkie diet and professor of nutrition.

Good thing  multi trillion industries exist to propagandize otherwise.

Love the 1600's tenor, mass food production bad, who give's a shit that it largely ended famine and worldwide hunger.

For instance genetically altered chickens are more resistant to the spread of H1N1 which means 100's of millions of chickens are not unnecessarily killed when one comes down with the disease like they would have been in the past.

WTFU already, access to calories, period.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:16 | 2427521 Pinky
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 You are behind the times, sorry!  Actually I'm not sorry: These new findings are an immense relief to people who diet consistently and still get fat.

Peer reviewed article:  "Despite the initial skepticism of many investigators, these recent studies found that high-protein and/or low-carbohydrate diets do yield greater weight losses after 3-6 mo of treatment than do low-fat diets (1013). "

Is a Calorie a Calorie?

Studies that compared weight loss and energy expenditure in adults consuming diets high in protein and/or low in carbohydrate with those in adults consuming diets low in fat were reviewed. In addition, studies that measured the metabolizable energy of proteins, fats, and carbohydrates were reviewed. Diets high in protein and/or low in carbohydrate produced an ?2.5-kg greater weight loss after 12 wk of treatment. Neither macronutrient-specific differences in the availability of dietary energy nor changes in energy expenditure could explain these differences in weight loss.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:20 | 2427576 Pinky
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Is a calorie a calorie? Biologically speaking, no:

(American Journal of Clinical Nutrition)


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:22 | 2425865 cbxer55
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I live in Oklahoma. Am 50 years old, 6'2" and 168 pounds. I have a full weight bench in my garage that goes to 300 pounds, a pull up bar in my bedroom doorway, sit up bar on the bathroom door, grip strengtheners from 60 to 360 pounds and a full set of dumbells up to 50 pounds. Work out every day with weights, push ups, pull ups, chin ups, sit ups, crunchies and grip strengtheners. Ride a bike several days a week, either on a resistance stand or on the road. I am 50 and yet today someone called me a young man. When I told him I was 50 he could not believe it. Been working out daily since I graduated high school in 79.

Sure are some fat people here. But where I work I see a whole lot more people in decent shape than obese. Unfortunately most of the obesity I see in is the darker colors. I am not a rascist, but that is what i have observed. There was an article on YAHOO recently that said black men do not like to see their women skinny, too many reminders of skinny slaves.

I don't know what hill-billies and rednecks are, but if packing a .45 caliber handgun every day makes me one, so be it. ;-)

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:53 | 2425915 in4mayshun
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"Most of the fattest Americans are also the most conservative: West Virginia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Oklahoma.... etc.

Not surprising, these states also have the largest per capita of rednecks and hillbillies. 

Fat. Dumb. Conservative. Easily duped by holy fairy tales and political charlatans."


If you think all the liberals in California are fit, smart, and scientific, I have some discouraging news...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 07:42 | 2426216 kralizec
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Yeah, right!  Have you been in any American inner city recently?  The so-called "poor" got more fat on them than any demographic I've come across!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 08:25 | 2426287 sessinpo
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Max Fischer              2425427

Most of the fattest Americans are also the most conservative: West Virginia,



Dude, you really need to check your facts. I live in WV. West Virginia is hardly a conservative state. Lately the democrats have had trouble here because of the EPA issue of trying to shut down the coal industry. But look at the statistics and history. WV has had a legislative branch dominated by the left for longer than I have been alive (40 years). It has democrat governors the majority of the time. Both Senators are democrats. The only strong republican is Shelley Moore Capito, a house representative. WV may be strong on some issues such as gun rights, but this WV has been a left center state.


I could also make a false broad statement like you did and suggest that the fattest Americans are leftist, unemployed persons demanding a government hand out at tax payer expense and those leftist are fat because they don't work (get exercise). But I digress.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:01 | 2425395 TuesdayBen
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I am so tired of groupthink-drunk dipshits squawking incessantly about a supposed, tiny, likely natural increase in global temperature until late 1990's, and proposing all manner of counterproductive ideology-driven shit in response, when there exists all around them a patently obvious, very real, truly troubling, hugely costly, and very correctible problem of immense proportions- the obesity epidemic.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:13 | 2426074 Ag Star
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Had some mac n cheese today, but it was actual macaroni and "cheese" not some cheesey crap from a box.  After 20 yrs as a critical care RN -- I know for a fact that "exercise" is the key to health and longevity--even if you smoke or party in other ways (except too much alcohol). Food brings more people to the hospital than any other cause via: diabetes, hypertension, obesity, cancer, heart disease, sleep apnea, arthritis r/t obesity to name a few.  Exercise is natures way of detoxing the body, maintaining strenth/balance, and a strong immune system.  I'm Black, 52 yrs, female,  5'7". 140 lbs,  BMI 18-25, smoked for 26 yrs--quit in 2002.  Moderate cardio, strength training (kettle bells and Zumba) and eating only the foods that my grandparents ate--including butter, bacon, fried chicken, fried fish, fried pork chops, peach cobbler, sweet potatoe pie.  No fast food, no artificial sweeteners, no crap, I do eat fully saturated fats--all are good for you. Another key factor is--full fat foods are more satisfying and you eat less volume and less calories compared to no fat or low fat that are not satisfying and more volume is required for the brain.   My cholesterol is 160,  BP 105/60, and all labs normal, I take no medications never have to deprive myself of anything I want to eat.

Doctors with their diets, pills and potions will kill you slowly. Average American starts taking first perscription medicine at age 50 and adds one each year until death.  Some start a lot sooner and take a lot more.  Pills have horrible side effects and don't cure anything.  

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:42 | 2425365 Ident 7777 economy
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"Documenting America's Obesity Epidemic"


Any coincidental connection to the efforts to cut down/reduce smoking and legalize pot?


Naaaaaah .....

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:44 | 2425370 NemoDeNovo
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I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a McBurger today.......

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:01 | 2425411 TuesdayBen
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Off my turf, fatso.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:47 | 2425379 killallthefiat
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I'm just "big boned"

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 10:43 | 2426953 Dixie Rect
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" I'm just big boned"


Me too, from the waist down.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:32 | 2425620 connda
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Speak for yourself.  I'd simply say that the majority of Americans are fat fucks. 

But instead of going down the road of more and more legislation I have a simplier solution: If you really care about your health and well-being, leave the U.S. and move to an affordable country with a reasonable cost-of-living.

And learn to live with less. 

I walk my talk and I'm happier for it.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:35 | 2425354 Omen IV
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"they"........ are a nation of fat fucks!

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:07 | 2425421 I think I need ...
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its the ultimate welfare state that can be created,,,,nobody fuckin works everyone just get cheap shit, sits around to mind numbing tv and eats kfc

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:36 | 2425355 Bob
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Our kids don't play outside anymore.  We don't notice because we're updating our status or watching hd sports.  They'll text us if they need something, right?  We just got them two new games. 

They know how to order pizza and run the microwave, don't they?

Got Angry Birds?

Steve Jobs, 4EVAH.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:42 | 2425363 DanDaley
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Mother nature doesn't like fatsoes.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:27 | 2425469 kekekekekekeke
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true, kids have gotten even fatter and lazier post- iPhone and they weren't in that great shape when I graduated a decade or so ago

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:50 | 2425545 TBT or not TBT
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Excercise has been shown in study after study to be unhelpful for weight loss.   Only cutting carbohydrates in the diet works, and is sustainable, in study after study, for over a hundred years of research on the topic of weight loss.   And yet we still have this mantra, like a faith, extolling exercise and execrating sloth.   The great majority of people who are too fat get fat because they eat too many carbs, full stop.   Excercise has nothing to do with it.   You excercise more, your appetite increases.   You excercise less, your appetite decreases, particularly if you aren't eating a lot of carbs.  Carbs make you hungry again quickly.    They are addictive and distructive.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:53 | 2425667 WonderDawg
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Your post is mostly bullshit. You don't have to be a genius to figure out the math. Calorie intake vs. calorie burn. I'll eat my meat and potatoes and burn up the calories at the gym, tennis court, bicycle, and lake. I'm almost fifty years old and have about 10% body fat. And while part of it is genetics, the majority of it is the fact that I get out and do shit to keep my body fit. I'm as strong as I was when I was 30, and just as lean.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:09 | 2425712 HamyWanger
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"And while part of it is genetics, the majority of it is the fact that I get out and do shit to keep my body fit"

And how exactly did you determine the genetic/environment proportion? With a crystal ball?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:10 | 2425718 hedgeless_horseman
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And how exactly did you determine the genetic/environment proportion? With a crystal ball?

Experience and observation is my guess.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:42 | 2425775 WonderDawg
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Exactly, h_h. Experience and observation are highly underrated these days. Kinda like common sense.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:00 | 2425821 Spastica Rex
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The plural of anecdote is not data; sorry.

Me, I've lost 40 lbs. Anecdotally.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:05 | 2425827 TBT or not TBT
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Is the answer: "Because...thermodynamics!" a common sense argument ?


Wait for it......    Why would anyone expect that calorie input and calorie burning are entirely independent variables?    They're not!

On calorie-restricted diets, surprise, surprise surprise: people's metabolism slows down, and they become lethargic, nevermind irritiable, in study after study.   

When people are made to burn more calories through excercise, they eat more calories, if allowed to, and do not gain weight.

Now applying thermodynamics:   In studies where people are restricted in calories inputs and yet made to burn more calories  through excercise, they lose weight, BUT THEY GAIN IT BACK FAST once the study is over, eating like there is no tomorrow initially, gorging themselves, and generally end up fatter than before.   

The thermodynamics!!! argument is NOT USEFUL to the problem.

This may not be "common sense" but this is what happens in study after study after study.    Sorry to burst bubbles folks.



Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:25 | 2425873 HamyWanger
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The problem with experience and observation is that it is often highly subjective, and can be misled by confirmation bias.

I don't deny personal empiricism can be close to the truth, more than mediocre peer-reviewed studies, but very few persons in the world are capable of totally objective thought (perhaps 5%), which makes any claim on the Internet de facto suspicious. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2425808 TBT or not TBT
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Which is to say, with comprehensive bias, favoring one's prejudices.   

Scientific studies show that excercise does not change body fat composition in study participants.    Over and over again.

Excercise, it turns out, increases appetite, causing people to eat more, which compensates for the very few extra calories typically burned through excercise.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:08 | 2425830 WonderDawg
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I'll take my anecdotal experience over your scientific studies any day. There are so many health benefits to be derived from exercise that your point is beyond ridiculous. Not to say you can't lose weight by reducing carbs (calories), common sense in diet is recommended regardless of exercise, but I'd rather be a couple of pounds overweight but be in good shape than be some skinny little runt that the doctors in some study regard as being the proper weight.

Want to arm wrestle, Nancy-boy? Hahaha, just kidding, but damn, your argument is kind of off the wall stupid.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:11 | 2425847 hedgeless_horseman
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I have never seen a skinny person drinking a diet soft drink.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 08:23 | 2426298 Max Hunter
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Wonderdog, you can't argue with people like that..  They don't even deserve a response from people that actually live the part like we do...

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:37 | 2425766 Hulk
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We expend a lot of calories, here on the farm, chasing and catching the chickens for dinner,

We spend even  more energy  choking the chicken...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:09 | 2425839 hedgeless_horseman
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Killing cones, sharp knife, and a bucket of sawdust.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:48 | 2425793 TBT or not TBT
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Ah yes, thermodynamic identity argument.   It is a tautology, what you are saying, and anecdotal on top of that, not a study with control and experimental groups, etc.

Re your particular diet, the ratio of meat to potatoes matters hugely, and you didn't mention the rest of your food intake.   Drink any sugary soda at all?   Eat lots of chips?   Bread?    Eat bowls of table grapes every night?     Probably not.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:34 | 2425889 cbxer55
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I exercise daily, and eat whatever the f--- I want. At 50 I am 6'2" and weigh 168 pounds.

Exercise does in fact control obesity. The right kind of exercise. Not moving your thumbs on your "smart" phone, not wanking. No pain-no gain exercise keeps the weight off and keeps you looking tops.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:31 | 2426078 Ag Star
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you are dead wrong.  I'm 52 and there was 1 obese person in my highschool.  We ate plenty of carbs and fat. As kids we had PE in school,   walked to school, did chores at home, played outside by skating, biking, tag, hula-hoop, dancing, hop scotch, ball games, swimming.  exercise maintains muscle mass which burns calories and does not store fat.

restricting carbs will keep you thin but you won't be healthy without adequate exercise to maintain muscle tone,  balance, bone density, and immune system--that's the fact.  All fruit has carbs--and most have fiber, should we stop eating fruit--don't think so.


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:43 | 2426083 Ag Star
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Forgot to mention that exercise--when you do it right release the same endorphins as sexual orgasim.  Restricting carbs never did that!!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 09:55 | 2426662 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Wrong again.

It is just simply amazing how people attach themselves to the stupidest shit on planet earth and never let go.

From the first word to the last word, wrong.

A calorie is a calorie, doesn't matter if it is protein, fat or carb-not even a teeny, weeny little bit and more expended than taken in results in weight loss. One could live on exclusively twinkies and lose weight provided calories taken in are less than calories expended.

Period, no debate, been proven over and over and over and over again.

Now post some more tripe from the ludicrous world of nutritionists and dieticians and so forth.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 12:02 | 2427409 Pinky
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I've been ignoring you, but you're posting this BS so often I have to interject, before some poor sot actually believes it and consigns himself/herself to a life of obesity at 1200 calories per day.  You are behind the times, sorry!  Actually I'm not sorry: These new findings are an immense relief to people who diet consistently and still get fat.

4 Myths About Calories


Myth 1: A calorie is a calorie is a calorie


In the past few years, we've learned a lot more about how our bodies react to identical calorie levels from different foods, and a new Harvard study is further proof.


Another recent study found that saturated fats, like those found in butter, whole milk, and fatty meats, may override the body's natural satiety mechanism (which enables you to feel full), whereas unsaturated fats, from plant sources like olive oil, avocado, and nuts, may enhance satiety, even when the calorie levels don't differ.


A key study from Wake Forest University found that, even at the exact same calorie and fat levels, monkeys fed trans-fats gained four times more weight and 30 percent more belly fat compared to those given meals made with natural, plant-based fats.


And a recent Penn State study found that, over a 12-week period, dieters who consumed whole grains rather than refined grains lost more belly fat, despite the diets otherwise being identical.


All of this means that quality may be more important than quantity when it comes to the fate of the calories you consume.



Tue, 05/15/2012 - 07:38 | 2426207 dolly madison
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My kids aren't fat, and they are internet addicts like me, but we only eat home made food.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:42 | 2425361 TomGa
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So, Obamacare is going to have a BMI limit?  That's where this is heading.  Obesity - the new vice, huh? 


"In order to end the epidemic, everyone must be part of the solution."  

Yeah, it probably takes a village, too.  Pass the damn fried chicken, will 'ya.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:45 | 2425372 Joe The Plumber
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So there should be no limits on care?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:44 | 2425373 BurningFuld
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Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:49 | 2425381 Ident 7777 economy
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" So, Obamacare is going to have a BMI limit? That's where this is heading. Obesity - the new vice, huh? "


 Any specific regs regarding HUGE-cabooses (rear-ends) and stick arms?


(Buh-bye Michelle O.)





Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:14 | 2425442 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Sir Mix-a-lot is spinning in his grave. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:14 | 2425854 fuu
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Anthony Ray ain't dead.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:27 | 2425476 kekekekekekeke
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I think they'll gradually narrow the window so that only low-density blobs of fat will pass through, no one wants a muscled up populace

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:22 | 2425872 Tapeworm
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The votes that obama panders to are the obese.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:40 | 2425362 Joe The Plumber
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Insurance usually wont pay for weight loss but the three hundred pound lady gets a fancy new scooter, twenty medicines for her heart diabetes blood pressure and chronic pain, and two or three hospitalizations a year

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:42 | 2425368 Joe The Plumber
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And they are too big to wipe their own asses or cut their own toenails so home health asswipers and even podiatrists get their piece of the pie

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:36 | 2425512 a growing concern
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Having worked in health insurance, I can tell you that just isn't true.  Fatties get gastric bypass and lap-band surgeries paid for by health insurance all the time.  They do have to go through several other types of therapy (nutrition counseling, exercise therapy, etc.) and show that those aren't producing the desired results before getting the surgery paid for, but those surgeries are absolutely paid for on a regular basis, at around $20,000 a pop for commercial insurers.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 07:40 | 2426214 dolly madison
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I could see the powers that be supportive of gastric bypass.  It makes the people thinner, but still so weak from vitamin deficiency to still be a tame populace.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 23:09 | 2425713 robertocarlos
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"Absolutely no cost to me".

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:42 | 2425364 YesWeKahn
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United states of fat people.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:43 | 2425366 BlueCollaredOne
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While I do agree Amerika is a bunch of fatasses, the way to determine if you are indeed overweight is broken. I'm 6'2, 220 lbs. and based off a lot of charts I am obese.

I lift weights 4 times a week, and try to do some sort of aerobic exercise the other 3 days. Muscle weighs more than fat when comparing equal volumes of each

Obesity should be measured by fat percentage, not weight/height ratios.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:49 | 2425380 transaccountin
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Dude this is all good and true. But your situation applies to maybe 5 out of 100.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:52 | 2425391 Tuari
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I'd say it's much higher than 5 out of 100. I know a lot of other people in the same situation as the above and mine.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:39 | 2425524 a growing concern
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You know people who are similar to you and that colors your viewpoint.  You might not know all the Fatty McFattersons who live in the low-income neighborhoods across town.  For every musclebound gym rat out there, I can assure you there's two dozen Krispy-Kreme-stuffing lard-asses who can't even get up off the couch.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:02 | 2425925 in4mayshun
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People who like to complain about generalized height/weight ratios usually are fatter than they'd like to admit. It's very easy to hide 20-30 lbs when you're 6'2".

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:55 | 2425396 bnbdnb
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I think the argument is that BMI screws people who are in shape, assuming suddenly BMI becomes a relevant taxable number.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:59 | 2425406 fonzannoon
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I am 5'9 175lbs. I was 195lbs 3 months ago. I lost the weight by changing my diet. At 195lbs I had no health issues. At 175lbs I still have none. I look better probably but I sit behind a fkin desk 6 days a week and spend my nights researching what stocks I can lose money on next. If I had to run 50 feet I could make it about 30 feet at 195lbs and maybe 40 feet at 175lbs.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:09 | 2425425 TuesdayBen
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Keep it up, man - no going back. The diet change has to be forever.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:14 | 2425440 BlueCollaredOne
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Congrats on the weight loss man. 20lbs through diet alone are great results

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:36 | 2425508 Jena
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Definitely.  But it'll be a lot easier to keep off if you're able to get moving more.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:46 | 2425535 TBT or not TBT
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He needs only to keep restricting carbohydrates.   If he excercises more, that will increase his appetite accordingly, nullifying the extra calorie burning, as seen in thousands of studies since the beginning of obsesity research.   Excercise actually doesn't work.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 01:05 | 2425931 in4mayshun
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Yes you buffoon, exercise does not work...which is why Michael Phelps consumes 10,000 calories a day when he is training.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:35 | 2425500 Rubbish
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I'm morbidly obese at 5' 11" 325 lbs., work a physical job, drug free, 57 age, blood work of a teen, bp 133/87, waddled a 5k in 39 minutes two years ago and beat slim mofo's 1/2 my age. Had my heart checked out and its fine, slightly enlarged but no blockages under stress, via intravenous scans. I don't drink but smoked 40 years 2 packs a day.


Fuck em, while I go get some ice cream. I'm a fat freak.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:42 | 2425531 TBT or not TBT
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A key take away being that diet alone works, without exercise.   This was well known until the 60's and early 70's when the mantra of all advice givers came to chant in unison that we have to exercise more and eat less.   Bollocks, we MUST eat less carbohydrates.   That is the only diet method that works relaibly and sustainably, excercise or no excerise.    The rest of the diets, when they work, have temporary effects only, unless they restricy carbohydrates specifically.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:38 | 2425898 laomei
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Similar situation.  Just change your stupid diet and the weight comes off.  Those nutrition labels they slap on everything are not for decoration.  Eat 6 times per day and severely limit your intake of carbs while boosting protein.  No fast food, no microwave dinners, screw the restaurants too.  Eat at home and only eat things that you know.  Lay off the fruits and potatoes.  Thirsty? Drink water.  Drink black coffee.  Drink real tea (no, dont add sugar and milk).  This really ain't all that hard people.


After a year's contract with endless client dinners and lunches and no time to work it off, yea, I put on quite a bit.  Change the diet and 25 pounds fall off in a month.

Eat till you are not hungry, eat slowly, don't fucking stuff yourself, put down the donut, no more starbucks.  No fatty, you don't need chips, you don't need desert.  Eat dinner early and then nothing else after 6pm.  This is not a hard thing to do and you will lose all that fat.  But alas, I guess this is just too hard for the average american fatty to comprehend.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:37 | 2425894 Tapeworm
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I CAN PULL MY 34" WAIST PANTS down bt releasing my belt and not unbuttoning the waist yet I am borderline obese on the gombit charts.

 The BMI charts are crap.

 My wife checks in as obese, and that is true. I WARNED HER ON MY REVULSION FOR FAT CHICKS BEFORE we were married. I love her dearly but am completely put off by fat. As an early teen I was stuck slow dancing with a fat chick and it scarred me forever. I cannot abide anything over a size 14, so you see that I am not unreasonable.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:14 | 2425441 kekekekekekeke
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agreed about body fat percentage (I say this as a formerly "skinny-fat" person) , but I calculated your BMI at 28.2 which is below the 30 BMI "obese" threshold

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 22:30 | 2425621 GenXer
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BMI is retarded. Christian Bale was one point under the normal range in The Machinist. Google that and tell me thats ideal.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:26 | 2425467 Central Bankster
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Yah, the numbers are bullshit if you lift weights 2-4 times a week.  Bottom line is this: if you can run a good distance, lift heavy weights, and you pass the "I dont look like a fatass in a mirror" test, you're good :).

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:38 | 2425517 American34
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Dang straight BlueCollardOne, I am 5'5" and weigh 155lbs and I can bench press 275lbs. I am also overweight by those dang indexes! And what the heck do I get CHEAPER health insurance for lifting weights 5 days a week! NOPE! They take my "Healthy Person Premium" and fork it over to some lazy buzzard who is to foolish to understand that cheap food isn't always good food and apparently thinks I should subsidize their eating problem. Overeating is an unhealthy LIFESTYLE and its a CHOICE! Subsidizing healthy care for overweight people is no different than subsidizing liver transplants for alcoholics! No one ever said it was easy staying in great shape but then again things that are worth doing aren't usually easy! By the way in the last 5 years I have eaten fast food less than 5 times!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:54 | 2425580 jez
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Yeah, you are just overweight according to the BMI definition, with a reading of 25.8.

To edge inside the "normal" category of 18.5 to 24.9, you need to add just over an inch (don't ask me how -- medieval torture device?) or lose six pounds. Or do a bit of both, of course.

Stop doing those bench presses and replace some muscle with flab, is my best advice.

-- Jez (six-one, 170, old geezer trying hard)

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:45 | 2425371 Marginal Call
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"often preventable".  Hilarious.  Don't eat food designed in a corporate boardroom.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:49 | 2425386 Joe The Plumber
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Humans thrive and are well adapted to live in mild caloric scarcity. This state promotes the longest healthiest life spans all things else being equal

We would be doing our poor people a favor if carbs were restricted and food less available to them

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:00 | 2425407 Joe The Plumber
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Bring back the fuckin rickshaw as a job for anyone on welfare

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:59 | 2425410 BlueCollaredOne
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Spot on. I used to do a little personal training on the side and would get clients to use a technique called intermittent fasting. It involves not eating for periods of 16 hours or so, twice a week. Combined with an effective weight lifting/aerobic routine it would melt lbs.

The wild thing is most would report that on their fasting days that they felt so alert, so much more type A, and once the hunger pangs subsided would sometimes become elated.

Its all biological though, when Man was required to hunt, hunger would signal many processes of the human body making it a better hunting tool.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:16 | 2425451 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Don't eat food designed in a corporate boardroom. He's right, thats all you really need to know. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 05:13 | 2426117 Reptil
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Genetically manipulated corn designed by a corporation that is an expert in producing toxins.
Mice on a GMO diet turned obese. This research has been ignored, scuffled by the industry.

This is the elephant in the room most americans can't even see.

All this talk about changing diets is bullshit. If you don't eat organic non-GMO food, in the long run, you're SOL. And most food in the USA, including beef or pork, or chicken has now been changed by GMO.

Horizontal genetic cross contamination. That's right.. your DNA changes... eeh changed.



Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:39 | 2425519 TBT or not TBT
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Fasting sets the body in ketosis, and the central nervous system running on ketone bodies, literally ACETONE, plus just enough glucose derived from the liver breaking down components of the body to provide the little bit of glucose the brain MUST have, which isn't much.     Attention however, the glucose is not derived from fat, it comes from eating up components of the body.    The brain works fine on acetone, though if you plan on doing any long distance running a bit of carbs in the mix will increase performance a lot.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:58 | 2425554 BlueCollaredOne
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Actually restricting carbs causes the body to go into ketosis, you don't have to completely fast.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 00:10 | 2425849 TBT or not TBT
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Agreed, you'd be in ketosis a good part of the night through the morning even on a mildly carb restricted diet.    Our brains run just fine on acetone with just the tad of glucose the liver can generate.

You can also be ketogenic, even when eating substantial amounts of glucose and other sugar sources, IF with that you take in medium chain trygycerides such as those in human milk or plentifully in coconut oil.     The liver converts some of those into ketone bodies, somewhat regardless of what else you eat.  

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:35 | 2425510 barroter
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You did it now. The National Restuarant Association will send thugs to your house to  flatten your tires.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:37 | 2425511 barroter
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You did it now. The National Restuarant Association will send thugs to your house to  flatten your tires.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:49 | 2425382 Kastorsky
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thank you monsanto.

Love, China.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:48 | 2425383 overmedicatedun...
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America is fat yes sick in soul yes being led to the slaughter yes..the elite reptiles have ripped apart the social fabric and what passes for national culture is a used condom.


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:51 | 2425387 Bartanist
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They are now saying that low frequency radio waves cause obesity. Gee, ya think we have enough of those bombarding us every second of the day. 

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:56 | 2425404 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Excuses excuses...

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:47 | 2425537 a growing concern
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Yeah there's a new excuse every day.  Want to know what causes obesity?  Consuming more calories than you expend.  End of story.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 03:22 | 2426076 Blotsky
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How in the hell can someone argue with that?

Its a damn fact.

3 fatties trolling the area.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:51 | 2425388 Tuari
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I don't buy that 68% number. I think the measurements they use, the BMI chart is way off in many cases. At my peak, when I was heavily running and lifting weights, my 6'8" frame weighted 247lbs and was at 8% body fat. I was not ripped at all. But at 247lbs, I was considered overweight/borderline obese. I was jokingly debating which limb I should chop off to not be so overweight.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:52 | 2425392 Beam Me Up Scotty
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There is no moral hazard to being a fat fuck other than death. You pay the same insurance as a thin person does even though you use 1000% more healthcare. Jack up premiums for being unhealthy. Quit trying to tax sugar.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:35 | 2425485 TBT or not TBT
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Insurance companies, and their actuaries, would love to offer such policies, but cannot offer such policies, because of regulation preventing it.

This is known as "bad luck"

Bad luck is also the explanation for why, after mandating that "insurance" must be sold to sick fuckers after they have already become sick without discriminating against them, a private health insurance industry can just disappear in a country afflicted with such rules.

The latter, by the way, is part and parcel of Obamacare, which is designed to destroy private insurance, the better to set the scene for nationalisation of the most intimate aspects of our lives, the better to render us permanently dependent and nannied over.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:52 | 2425394 JustObserving
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There must be 50 ways to leave diabetes including eating raw and natural foods, avoiding diet drinks and fast food, getting some sun, watching less TV, eating nuts, modest levels of exercise, getting enough sleep, a glass or two of dry red wine, managing stress, avoiding transfats and high fructose corn syrup, but don't hop on the bus, Gus.  

If you want to quantify your risk and reduce it by more than 50% easily,  you can try:



Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:56 | 2425402 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed, but note that the dreaded HFCS has only 10% more fructose in it than does familiar, good ol table sugar.     All sugars are are horrible, for all of us, not just diabetics, when taken regularly.   

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:01 | 2425413 fonzannoon
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what about sugar found in fruits?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:11 | 2425431 TBT or not TBT
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An apple has about a 2:1 ratio of fructose to glucose in the sugars it contains.   Ditto with pears.    Neither of these is particulary strong in terms of vitamins and minerals.    Consume in moderation!     Humans evolved over millions of years from earlier forms.   Only in recent centuries, a blink of a an eye really, have fruits been available all year round, rather just in a short season where local fruits and berries ripen.   We love to eat them, are programmed to gorge on sweets, to store up calories from them while available, even though when we do it is a shock to our systems.   Fructose in particular puts the liver through a hard workout, the more so when we consume a lot of it together with sucrose sources, because the uptake rate of fructose in our guts is no longer rate limited when there is lots of sucrose around, and if I understand correctly vice-versa to some degree.    Table sugar and HFCS are blood chemistry wrecking fat cell carpet bombers.    We are not designed to handle copious year round supplies of them,   Everywhere in the world where cane sugar has been introduced to new populations it has been followed by a fattening of said civilisation, and all the host of "diseases of civilisation" that come alongside enriched carbs like sugar and flour.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:43 | 2427268 JeffB
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Quite true.

Not only were they not around year round and in such abundance, the wild versions were far less sweet. The varieties in grocery stores and at fruit stands have been bred for sweetness.

See: Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology, explores the damage caused by sugary foods. He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin

YouTube talk: Sugar: The Bitter Truth


"The Skinny on Obesity"


Sugar isn't just "empty calories", but actively promotes fat storage -> obesity by ramping up the body's hormone, insulin.


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:14 | 2425432 JustObserving
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Fiber in fruit is healthy but fructose (fruit sugar) is not.  Eat the fruit but do not drink juice:

How fructose causes liver damage, obesity, diabetes and death
Your liver converts excess fructose into triglycerides.
• are building blocks for the bad LDL cholesterol that forms plaques in arteries,
• can be stored in your liver to cause a fatty liver,
• can be stored in your fat cells to make you obese.

Having excess triglycerides in your liver:
• causes a condition called fatty liver which interferes with normal liver function; and
• causes fat to be stored in your belly and decreases insulin sensitivity to cause diabetes (Journal of Clinical Investigation, May 2009).

Triglycerides can pass into your bloodstream to:
• damage your kidneys to cause high blood pressure, and
• in very high amounts, can form clots in your bloodstream.

All of these side effects of excess triglycerides increase your risk for heart attacks and strokes.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:19 | 2425452 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed, despite the American Diabetes Association's previous recommendation of fructose to diabetics because of an oversimplified metric called the "glycemic index" rating of various carb sources, fructose is actually pretty horrible for us.   It very reliably produces "fatty liver disease" and has something to do with the creation of LDL ("bad cholesterol" in the parlance, because fructose MUST be treated by the liver).    Glucose, the sugar breakdown product of say, potatoes, can be burned or stored as glycogen or fat, one of the three, by nearly all cells in the body, and so every cell in the body can participate in the treatment of the emergency represented by the sudden arrival of lots of glucose.    Fructose, not so much.   It pretty much has to be treated in the liver, and directly causes LDL to be manufactured.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:31 | 2425486 TN Jed
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That explains why Ocean Spray has been buy 1 get 1 free nearly every time I go to the store.  It also presents a new problem as I have about 4 gallons of that shit in storage.  Barter pile?

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:56 | 2425555 TBT or not TBT
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Watch the "other" fruit juice in just about ANY type of fruit juice you buy.    Very often apple juice is used as an economical filler for more expensive juice blends, also because of the higher fructose content in apple juice versus most others:   Fructose is sweeter at a given concentration than glucose.    They therefore need less apple juice as filler than they would need of other juices.    The typical weasel words on the label will say "100% Juice!" without specifying what kind.    Usually it isn't 100% Pomegranate Juice for example, or when it is, that is going to be much more expensive than neighboring weasel juices.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:55 | 2425398 TBT or not TBT
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It's NOT a lack of excercise nor is it "overeating"..... it is eating too much carbohydrate laden food of every type, and particularly sugars, whether table sugar or nearly equivalent HFCS in soft drinks(and much else), and of course refined flour/bread, and of course loads of maltose for those who overdrink beer.

It is very difficult to maintain weight gain by overeating protein and fat alone when on a low carbohydrate diet.    That is what the science shows, and has held, for centuries now.    The whole "low fat" thing pushed by the USDA, the feddle gummint, and the American Heart Association, alongside most doctors actually helped cause the obesity epidemic, because the missing fat calories were replaced, necessarily, by carbohydrate in the ideal diet.   

In the real world, carbohydrate laden foods do not satiate, they make you hungry again as soon as the blood sugar havoc they cause is defeated by a heroic pancreas and fat cells.

Meat and fat alone in the diet are actually sufficient for humans, as proved for example by scientists and others who gone to live with inuits for example, and ended up healthier for eating only meat and fat for periods well over a year, than they had been before, thanks to dropping carbs entirely.   Yeah, that's NO FRUIT, NO GRAINS.  

The trouble is, not everyone can live this way, or anything close to this way(Atkins and similar type diets) given that the holding capacity of the planet for human depends (currently)  upon a preponderance of cheap carbohydrates from industrial agriculture going directly to human consumption.    Passing that product via chicken and cattle and pig stomachs first produces far less calories, dividing them by 4 to 7 depending on the animal source of protein/fat.     Bacteria cultures are pretty efficient at producing protein though not fat as far as I understand it, from cows milk, and cows eat cellulosic calories sources that humans cannot.    Inda, a country with a lot of vegetarians, fill the gap partly with lots of yogurt consumption.   But now I'm rambling again.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:08 | 2425424 Börjesson
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On the other hand, there is plenty of land that is too rugged or too poor in nutrients to be worthwhile to grow crops on, but which is perfectly suitable for free-range livestock.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:21 | 2425460 TBT or not TBT
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I'm with you there, having family in the beef cattle breeding industry and having been raised party on an operating cattle ranch, but there is only so much of that type of land.   No harm employing all such available land in that fashion..converting sunlight to cellulose to fat and protein thanks to grazing animals...I'm all for it, but there isn't enough of such land for everyone on the planet to live from animals fed that way.  Far from it.    And anyway such animals that do get raised on rough land are further fattened/enmuscled, in feed lots after that, on industrially produced farm products.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:11 | 2425434 lizzy36
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If one wants proper "digestive" health (read the ability to poop on a regular basis) one needs some complex carbohydrates. 

Nobody can ever make me believe that eating vegtables (not french fries or baked potatoes) and fruit (apples, berries etc) will make someone fat.

Other than that i agree with most of what you say in this comment.

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