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"The Weight Of The Nation": Documenting America's Obesity Epidemic: Part 2 - Choices

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Yesterday we saw the first part of the HBO Documentary "The Weight Of The Nation" focusing on America's Obesity Epidemic which could be summarized as follows: "68.8% of Americans are overweight or obese - what are the consequences?" Today, the premium cable channel has released the next episodes in the series, titled Choices. The second film poses a question that almost anyone who’s struggled with excess weight has asked, if only in jest: For all the remarkable high-tech tools available to medicine, for all the billions of dollars in drug research, there’s still no highly effective medication to prevent or reverse obesity – why?

From HBO:

Researchers are, in fact, developing and evaluating strategies to help people reach and maintain a healthy weight, so that they can look forward to healthier lives. Diet is a part of the equation, but most name-brand diets promise quick, dramatic rewards and gloss over the long-term effort needed to keep weight off. Maintaining weight loss is a challenge, and success requires sustained changes in our food and physical activity.

Weight - whether we gain it or lose it - is dependent on our body’s energy balance: We are in balance when we take in and burn off the same number of calories each day. Take in more calories than we burn, and the pounds add up. Take in fewer, and the number on the scale goes down.

Your body’s energy requirements don’t necessarily stay the same throughout your entire adult life. One theory suggests that if you become overweight or obese, your body establishes a new normal weight, called its “set point,” which your body will fight to maintain even after you lose weight.

Shows like ‘The Biggest Loser’ may lead us to believe that exercise is the best or only way to lose weight. But successful programs aimed at losing weight and keeping it off target both eating less and being more physically active.

We eat for all sorts of reasons, not just because we’re hungry. We eat because we’re bored, sad, tired or - all too frequently - stressed. When we eat for reasons other than getting the right nutrition, we affect our weight and put our health at risk. New research suggests that taking time to think about what we eat - and why we are eating - can be an effective way to attain and maintain a healthy weight.

As adults, most of us spend more than half of our waking hours at work. And today’s jobs, many of which require hours a day parked in front of a computer, are often both sedentary and stressful. But there are small steps we can take to eat better and move more at work, even when our schedules aren’t flexible.

Making the decision to set and achieve realistic goals can, over time, lead to big results. And as we learn from Rhonda and Elana’s warm and supportive relationship, having a friend and partner can be invaluable when it comes to the hard work of keeping weight off.

If you have high blood pressure, the doctor isn't going to tell you to bring it down for six months and then do whatever you want. Maintaining a lower weight is similar. It’s an ongoing process that requires work and must be constantly monitored.

But the all effort to maintain a healthy weight does pay off. The Diabetes Prevention Program (DPP), a large, multi-site, NIH-funded study, has shown that high-risk participants (people with “pre-diabetes”) who lost a modest amount of weight through changes in diet and activity levels greatly reduced their chances of developing type 2 diabetes.

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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:19 | 2429818 ACP
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Ah, Heeeeelll NO!

Actually, promoting obesity would solve the pension problem right quick.

As well as free unlimited cigarettes in prison.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:33 | 2429854 iDealMeat
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I'm not Brad Pitt in F.C. , but I ride my bike to work.. And I can fix shit..  My wife notices that.  I'm happy to report an increase in sexual activity of the naughtiest type..



Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:44 | 2429905 hedgeless_horseman
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Exercise definitely helps with the sex drive.  Better than any pill big pharma could sell me.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:01 | 2429966 Dr. Engali
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+1 I can definitely attest to that.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:48 | 2430090 AldousHuxley
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Americans = fat, dumb, unhappy


even military who usually takes anyone complained that 75% of potential recruits are unqualified because they were either too fat, too stupid (will shoot their own countrymen), too many out of wed-lock kids already in their youth, emotionally unstable (potential to go AWOL), or all of the above.


No wonder, Americans don't believe in evolution. The fat, stupid, crazy has offsprings, while healthy, stable, smart people don't have time to have kids due to paying off six figure college debt.



Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:14 | 2430195 Stuck on Zero
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Look at the bright side of obesity.  If bad weather wipes out the crops we can feed off the obese for years.  If an enemy invades we can pile them up for shielding.  They're damn near bullet proof. Body fat can be converted into biodiesel quite easilyTwo hundred.  If gasoline goes to $10 a gallon we can mug fat people in dark alleys and liposuction them for fuel.  Two hundred pounds of body fat will take a Jetta almost 500 miles.  The obese float really well.  If you had an obese friend in New Orleans you would have been saved.



Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:18 | 2430215 BlueCollaredOne
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We can also use that same fat to make soap, and sell that soap back to their fatasses.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:20 | 2430222 Harlequin001
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'They're damn near bullet proof'


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:53 | 2430306 Bananamerican
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i made it thru about 6 bout you guys?

that hbo show is a giant cavalcade of stupid.

"800$ million per year spent on research....Scientists are trying to understand the causes of..."


"Amerika, turn off your tv, buy some adidas, eat local, open your mind and SHUT YER FUCKING PIE-HOLE!"

you're welkome america

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:16 | 2430343 MacGruber
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Agreed! We need research? Here's your research. Exercise 5-6 days a week like I do, and you can eat a half a pack of Oreos a day at you leisure, shit, throw in a chocolate shake and a cinnamon roll. I need that many calories a day just to maintain. A healthy diet is definitely a great thing, but there is still no substitute for good old fashioned exercise.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:00 | 2430418 Stack Trace
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I am in the same boat. Lost 80 pounds of fat. Put on 30 pounds of muscle. Now I need to eat or I lose weight. My avatar is me a few months ago. I am almost Brad Pitt lean now at 43.

My point.... It can be done. I had many health problems. All gone now from dropping the fat. It is hard work. I won't lie. But with discipline and good execution doable for almost anyone.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:31 | 2430380 TBT or not TBT
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Plenty of research has been done on obesity, and the answers were in decades ago, but the answers were thrown out based on ideology and bias of various sorts, to bring us to this quagmire of blinkered thinking.  

Calorie restriction doesn't yield long term fat loss alone.   

Increased physical activity does not yield long term sustainable fat loss done alone.  

But wait for it.   Combining calorie restriction with increased excercise also does not yield sustainable fat loss.   

What does work, and has worked in every study undertaken for over a century now, is restricting carbohydrate input, regardless of excercise regimes, and even when participants are allowed to eat as much as they want(even as much as they were eating before, in calorie terms).   This works sustainably as well, because it elliminates craving between meals.   This is what the studies show, over and over and over again.

During the 1970's hearings of the McGovern led congressional committe that gave us the fattening, disease creating "food pyramid", low carb diets were ridiculed in an arranged circus of packaged food industry clowns against the sole supporting figure brought out for it, Dr Atkins of the famous diet.     The American Heart Association also had something to do with it, thanks to their very weak science but very loud voice villifying fats, giving us the current situation of widespread disease an obesity, despite all the dieting, despite all of the excercise clubs, the jogging fad, despite all the diet plans(low carb plans excepted), despite "lite" foods, despite "low fat" everything.

THE central cause of this epidemic is our increasing consumption of carbohydrates, and highly refined carbohydrates in particular.   All the other sources (high voltage, wathcing TV, sedendtary behavior, endocrine system mimicers, flouride, and on and on, are minor league compared to the hammer that is sugar, insulin spikes, and continously high insulin levels thanks to consuming far too many carbs.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 06:33 | 2430710 Moe Howard
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Thank you for posting some facts. It was noted in the early 1930s that many children in NYC were fat & poor. They weren't playing video games, they were not drinking cokes and eating twinkies. They were eating bread and potatoes.

Try to go out and find a meal that does not have grains in it.

Even more crazy, go to the supermarket and pick up the sausage, and see if it has high fructose corn syrup in it.

What was the old saying, if you see sausage being made you won't eat it?

My dad made sausage at home in the 1970s - 1990s as a hobby. I watched him several times. Never saw him put corn syrup in there.

Now to complete your experiment, everything you buy at the supermarket, look and see. See if it has corn syrup in it. The vast majority of non-raw foods will. Does anyone think that is good for Americans to eat?

They are feeding the American people garbage and blaming them for being fat. Did anyone mention that the GMO grains have a narcotic like effect on the brain? Try stopping grain products cold turkey. Your nose will start running, you will have flu like symptoms, you will be sick and craving bread, pasta, pizza, anything with grain in it. Don't believe me? Try it.

Notice on the adverts for diet soda all the people are slim and trim? Now look at who drinks the diet sodas. They are all fat and sick. The artificial sweeteners tell the brain it is hungry. They make you crave food. My co-worker yesterday pulled a quart sized bottle of "Big Red" out of the fridge and said, "if you drink Big Red, this is the way to buy it". My answer - "that looks just like transmission fluid - and I'll bet they both have ingredients in common". Of course, he is now shaped like a beach ball, has prostate cancer, etc, and won't last much longer.

They redid the commissary on post. They went from 1/4 isle of water products to about 1/10 an isle. The gained space was stocked with more sugar water. Great eh?

If exercise is the answer, why are so many physical laborers overweight? Go by a construction site and let me know how many "buff" guys there are. I worked construction. Many strong people. Nobody looked like a weight lifter. Hell, Charles Atlas didn't look like today's weight lifter. Of course, he didn't take steroids. Now to the fitness exercise freaks on here: should they shovel mortar and haul brick and block all day, then go to the gym and pump iron or ride a bike 10 miles? Really? They aren't exercising enough? How many miles do you have to ride to burn off one candy bar? Hmmm.

So let me see, they dump the rat posion fluroide in the water supply and call the people stupid, they dump corn syurp in the food supply and call the people fat and lazy, they steal the money through legal counterfiting [Federal Reserve} and say the people are bums that won't save. Time for a revolution again.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 07:43 | 2430828 SWRichmond
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Now to complete your experiment, everything you buy at the supermarket, look and see. See if it has corn syrup in it. The vast majority of non-raw foods will.

+1.  HFCS is in everything, and the most effective way to avoid it is to buy raw real food and prepare it yourself.

The artificial sweeteners tell the brain it is hungry. They make you crave food.

As do, apparently, the artificial "natural flavors" that contain MSG or which are know to contain or release free glutamates, stuff that enhances your taste experience and which makes you hungry for more. 

Let's take an example: a popular canned Chicken Noodle Soup ingredients list includes these: chicken stock [probably made with MSG], monosodium glutamate, modified food starch, yeast extract, flavoring, soy protein isolate.  All of these either do or "might" contain MSG or release free glutamates.

If one thinks about it even a little bit, then one will realize that anyone in the business of selling prepared food wants that food to "taste awesome!" and so will almost certainly add to it whatever ingredients are available to make it "taste awesome."  Many of those ingredients are horribly bad for you.

I stopped eating prepared food about two months ago and started exercising.  If it comes in a box of packages, if someone hands it to me through my car window, if it has been cooked by a restaurant or a grocery store and does not include an ingredient list I can review to my satisfaction, I do not eat it.  I have lost 21 pounds so far.  Fresh meat, fresh vegetables, and yes I still eat bread and pasta but not much.

Cutting out fat is another really bad idea IMO.  Fat is high in "satiety" (tummy-fillingness); when we substituted sugar for fat in packaged foods during the war on fat, the obesity epidemic exploded.  Anyone remember Snackwells?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:45 | 2430996 Ident 7777 economy
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TBT or not TBT


Calorie restriction doesn't yield long term fat loss alone.

Increased physical activity does not yield long term sustainable fat loss done alone.  


Well let me just say one big DUH !


THE central cause of this epidemic is our increasing consumption of carbohydrates


What is rice? Is rice a carb?





Wed, 05/16/2012 - 10:12 | 2431276 Bleeding Fart
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See TBT or not TBT's response to my question about rice in the post on Part 1 of the Obesity Epidemic. It was informative.

And let me say again, avocados are soooo yummy!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 12:44 | 2431891 TBT or not TBT
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You snipped out the shocker, that when done together, calorie restriction and increased physical activity ALSO do not yield sustainable fat loss.

Yeah, and rice is a carbohyrdate bomb, although mostly only of glucose.   Eat it in great moderation along with plenty of healthier foods, like vegetables and meat, meat WITH the fat on it.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:37 | 2430648 tonyw
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Well there's a surprise researchers pressing for more research!

Eat less and move more.

Stop taking HFCS, soda, processed foo, anything with added sugar.



Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:29 | 2430379 AldousHuxley
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or you can have fat lady restrain a criminal by sitting on him.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:36 | 2430272 Arnold Ziffel
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Military spends $362M on weight-loss surgery


"Taxpayers fund Tricare, the health insurance for the military, which covered a $50,000 gastric bypass surgery for Jillian O'Malley, an Army wife at Georgia's Fort Stewart."



Wed, 05/16/2012 - 06:39 | 2430713 Moe Howard
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Not only that, the fat bitch can take half the guy's retirement check if she divorces him.

The soldier is the chump. He gets shot at, and his ex-wife gets half his money for life. Also, he can now turn over his GI Bill school benefits to her, so she can become a lawyer and divorce him.

Nice system.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:00 | 2430143 Apostate2
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From Fats with love...

'Well, don't buy sugar

You just have to touch my cup

You're my sugar

And it's oh so sweet when you stir it up


When I'm takin' sips

From your tasty lips

Seems the honey fairly drips

You're confectionGoodness knows


Honeysuckle rose'

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 06:50 | 2430729 zerohedgeJUNKIE
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Definitely agree. Also strengthening your thighs also boost performance. It's like adding secret additive to your fuel. Pharma's Objective of a PILL for every ILL is not only detrimental to most of us but it teaches us to be lazy to take charge of our own health. As long as we have corporations in charge of our health system and big pharma and a monopoly of the medical industry by not letting uncoventional alternatives this endimic problems will persists. What we should be creating are documentary with this caliber that would be helpful and informative for ordinary people to help themselves we as a human race will never succeed on conquering lifes avoidable diseases if we are uninformed, mis informed and just plain lazy.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:53 | 2430493 Gavrikon
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Yep.  Getting busy around the house means "gettin' BIZZAY" around the house.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:49 | 2430959 Liposuction
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Religious nuts are out.

Seriously.  ZeroHedge comments are usually a wealth of financial knowledge.  At least until personal debt or food posts come up.  Then the religious nuts come out.  I don't mean bible or koran religious nuts.  I mean the kind of people that make statements like:

- Organic is better for you

- Organic tastes better

- Burger King makes you fat

- Ingredient X makes you fat

- Being Asian/White/Black/male/conservative/liberal/alive makes you fat


No, assholes.  Your decisions got you into that blubber suit.  You choose not to exercise, you grow a giant layer of fat.  You choose to eat only fast food, you turn into lard.  You spend more than you make, you go into debt.  FFS it's not that hard.  And don't give me the bullshit "organics are the answer" crap either.  Organics might be a great idea, but you can eat organic all the time every time and still be a fat lazy bastard.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:52 | 2431015 Ident 7777 economy
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Common. Sense.


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:05 | 2429990 bonin006
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That only works in the old eastern European ex Soviet countries where you are on your own when you get cancer or heart problems.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:57 | 2430127 AldousHuxley
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In Russia, you find out about cancer or heart problems after you are dead.


In America, you get paid just to walk around for some cancer awareness "non-profit".

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:34 | 2430053 BandGap
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Actually fat people live as long as "normal" people.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:46 | 2430080 Hulk
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Even if true (the old folks homes are filled with skinny people), whats your quality of life?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:33 | 2430054 BandGap
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Actually fat people live as long as "normal" people.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:42 | 2430072 a growing concern
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Not if we don't do a bunch of expensive medical interventions.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:49 | 2430312 Admiral Douchebag
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The scientific evidence disagrees with you. For example:

a BMI of >25 kg/m2 at age 18 was associated with significantly increased mortality within 20 years of follow up. By the 32 year follow up, a BMI of greater than or equal to 26 kg/m2 at age 18 years was associated with significantly increased mortality risk (RR 1.95, with BMI 19 kg/m2 as the reference group)

One of many readily accessible papers that will tell you much the same thing.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:09 | 2430178 Ident 7777 economy
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 . . . . HBO Documentary?


Since when?


Where the hell is Michael Moore?


 I want my propaganda from the pro's!


Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:57 | 2430499 PersonalRespons...
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Please go back to reddit

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:14 | 2430626 BorisSDT
Wed, 05/16/2012 - 19:04 | 2433377 headless blogger
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Ensure no health care coverage along with that...and Bingo!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:38 | 2691973 kall
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I think America needs some good weight loss national programs that are also effective, this would save so much money on the long run, we need to wake up.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:17 | 2429820 Freebird
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Hahaha. Gotta luv the photo of that fat bitch no

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:23 | 2429826 Clueless Economist
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hey Skynyrd...back off... I into Big YUM

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:25 | 2429842 SHEEPFUKKER

Consumer economy..............Burger King, Taco Bell, Dunkin Donuts.........

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:16 | 2430211 AldousHuxley
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In America, rich are skinny poor are fat

In America, you pay $100/month to do manual labor (aka. workout at the gym)

In America, meat and fat is cheaper than vegetables

In America, XXL is just medium

In America, you drink coffee by the bottle (Starbuck's Trenta is almost 1 Liter)

In America, even dogs and cats are obsese!


Time to convert food stamps into salad bar coupons

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:41 | 2429897 Freebird
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Each to their own no.
Or does it make you feel like a big guy going with a big mama?.
Fat is ...well fat
Sweet home brother

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:44 | 2430081 booboo
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some say roll her in flour and go for the wet spot but why waste good flour, deep fry that bitch when your done and sell that at the county fair. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:03 | 2431041 Metalredneck
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If she strikes oil when she wears high heels...

If you get on top & your ears pop...

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 15:39 | 2477013 l.hauri
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how to lose weight fast is a problemati question for many of us.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:54 | 2430415 Miffed Microbio...
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Dear lord, when I first saw the picture I thought it was a tick engorged after a blood meal. Then I realized it was human! I just hope it isn't real, maybe faked for dramatic effect. Yeah, that must be it. Deep breath, not real, everything ok...I feel better now.


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:23 | 2429835 docj
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For all the remarkable high-tech tools available to medicine, for all the billions of dollars in drug research, there’s still no highly effective medication to prevent or reverse obesity – why?

Much as I'm loathe to answer a question with a question, I have to ask why, precisely, should we concentrate medical research into an area that is so utterly, completely and personally controlable?

Look, I'm one of those folks who has "struggled with excess weight" for pretty much my entire life and while it's better now than it has been in a very long time (I've dropped a net of about 40# over the last year) it's still not optimal (I'm sure I'm still classified as obese). Know why? Because my eating habbits suck and I lack the discipline to do anything about it to date sufficient to bring it in line with "standards". Why should anyone spend money on a "magic pill" to make me "better"?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:29 | 2429851 Ancona
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Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:34 | 2429869 Dr. Engali
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I'm with you on that. I'm 48 and I took off 50 lbs but I have to work like a bitch to keep it off. I track every calorie I eat and exercise 1 hour a day 5 days a week.

I'm not trying to pat myself on the back I'm just saying its hard , but it's up to me to do control my actions. I don't need Michele Obummer looking over my shoulder trying " to take care of me".

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:39 | 2429885 docj
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I hear you - I actually dropped 60 but have put 20 back on over the last couple of months. Doesn't help that I tore-up my abs doing crunches about 10-days ago and now I can't really do much in the way of exercise (I mean, it's not like you need your core for anything, right??).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:48 | 2429918 Dr. Engali
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It's sucks how quickly it comes back on. I do P90x and have been for 4 years now. But if I take a break the weight comes back quicker & quicker the older I get.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:28 | 2430236 Harlequin001
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then you must be eating too much...

I'm told your metabolism slows down a lot as you age. I'm still a fairly normal 14 stone, but moving to a warmer climate was definately a problem. and more so when like me, you like beer.

Now I just cut out the veggies and shit and stick to Heineken and Carlesberg...

So you might get to look a bit like a fucking weeble but your a helleuva site happier on the inside...

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:06 | 2430431 Miffed Microbio...
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Mr miffed and I have recently been doing P90X regularly and just love the workouts but they are damn hard. It takes a lot of dedication to get up at 3:45AM to pound out a workout and get to work on time (PM workouts just don't work for us). I can agree that exercise alone won't take off weight. For me, diet is most important. However, it you want to tone and feel like a million bucks, hard core butt-ass-kicking workout is the way to go. Oh, the extra benefit is that you fuck like rabbits! Like being 20 again! I don't think that poor lady in the picture is experiencing anything like that.


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:50 | 2429926 rtalcott
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I lost 65 pounds in late 2002 to early 2003...during the Winter I'll put 5 back on...for me it was cutting way back on carbs...and I have no problems keeping it off.  I can have a few glasses of wine or a couple beers but I don't eat or drink as much as I did...I'll be 60 soon so I'm not a young guy.  The secret is you have to want to do it AND you need to figure out what works for you.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 06:31 | 2430706 BeetleBailey
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I go to the Caribbean for long periods of time annually. Never fails. I lose 30 pounds, eat better, eschew the crap that prevails here, and walk much more. My doctor calls it my "de-aging" process.

Pretty bad when living in a 3rd world country is better for you than a 1st world.

Years ago I went to Russia. it took 4 days and a hard target search to find anyone under 40 overweight in the slightest.

Everyone walked everywhere. Indeed, no money to buy crap food, but exercise and diet were taught in schools, and being fat was considered "rude". Flying into JFK was an eye opener afterward. Fat everywhere you looked. On top of that, the fat women thought they were "special".

Nothing takes the place of exercise and proper diet. Nothing.

That America is obese is no surprise. Physical Education is a dirty word now in our "sckools". A nation of fatties, hooked up to a Big Gulp, industrial sized bag of Cheetos, and glued to their hands, holding iPhones and/or the remote.

A trip to WalMart confirms this. Simply disgusting.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:46 | 2430991 Blankman
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"A trip to WalMart confirms this. Simply disgusting."


I go to wal-mart to feel better about myself ;)  They are fa-a-at in there.  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:36 | 2429877 LetThemEatRand
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When I was under the age of 25, I could eat (and drink) literally anything and not gain a pound.  I could eat cake, Burger King, McDonalds and drink a 12 pack in a single day and not gain a pound.  As I've gotten older, I've had to moderate a little.  But I can still eat a LOT and be relatively moderate in poundage.  I know people who can eat half as much as me and get fat.  That is a short way of saying that the idea that it is entirely the fault of fat people is fucked up.   It also ignores the clear science that some people can metabolise a lot more food than others.  So why should anyone consider this possibility and develop a pill?  Because it's probably possible.


Now do away with High Fructose Corn Syrup and a lot of the obesity problem goes away (and MSG).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:42 | 2429900 docj
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Rand - I've been diagnosed hypothyroid for 26-years (I'm 46). So believe me I completely understand medical conditions. My thyroid, for all intents and purposes, doesn't work. At all. And you know what? I can still lose weight and keep it off when I demonstrate the discipline to do what I need to do and lay off the starches and processed foods (and of course HFCS, sugar, etc.). So I hope you'll forgive me if I don't come to believe it's "fucked up" that this is largely (never said entirely) the fault of fat people.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:48 | 2429915 LetThemEatRand
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I don't disagree with you that some people don't care and could fix their problem with a little discipline, but you of all people should understand that it is largely dependent on one's own metabolism.  What works for you may not work for others.  What doesn't work for you may work for others.  I used to have a cake, Suzi-Q, toast, beer, Big Mac and 4 eggs diet and I was thin.  Was I better than the guy who ate 2/3 as much and was fat (had friend that fit that description)?  No, just luckier.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:53 | 2429938 docj
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For what it's worth, I used to hate people like you! (smile)

Cheers -

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:56 | 2429947 LetThemEatRand
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Cheers back.

The point is there IS a reason for science to try to figure out why we are so different.  Thyroid is not the only explanation IMO.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:25 | 2430232 TBT or not TBT
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The only explanation, at the direct cause level, that is to say at the level of the adipose cells where fat is stored, is that the presence of insulin at the cell membrane causes the adipose cells to retain fat they already have, and to take up glucose as it passes by to convert into fat, and as a critical factor for converting free fatty acids into fat.   

Without glucose, fat cells CANNOT assemble triglycerides(fat) from free fatty acids, but they can lose fatty acids.   Without insulin present, they don't take up fatty acids or glucose from the blood stream.

Carbohydrates, and sweet tastes detected by the tongue, are the things that cause our bodies to produce insulin.   Carbohydrates are uniquely fattening.   It is almost that simple, and yet here we have long episodes carrying on about calorie restriction and excercise.    It is unfathomably stupid.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:09 | 2430433 Prometheus418
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Agreed, at least in my personal observation.

I got divorced five or six years ago, and in the year or so I lived alone after that, I ate basically nothing but meat, fish, broccoli and bell peppers.  I was thinner and healthier than I've ever been in my life, and never hungry.

About four years ago, I met my fiancee, who was a single mother with three small children.  When they moved in, my diet got changed radically to accomidate the kids- all of a sudden, it was potatoes, pasta and bread at every meal and I gained about 60 pounds as a result, even as my exercise levels increased.

A while back, I just said enough is enough and basically decreed that we were all changing what we eat to cut the carbs back to a minimum- surprise, surprise, but that extra weight started melting off again, and the kids are behaving better and learning things more quickly now.  The funniest thing is that I actually get much less exercise now, as I am chained to a computer 40-60 hours a week.

The caveat here is that I am not entirely sure that this strategy would work for everyone- it's a horribly complex subject, and I don't believe that there is a one-size-fits-all answer to it.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 02:34 | 2430535 TBT or not TBT
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One thing that isn't complex about it is the list of molecules that signal fat cells to retain fat and take in glucose for creating fat.  Here is the list:


There are at least a dozen molecules that signal fat cells to release fatty acids into the bloodstream.    Nicotine does that.   Adrenalin does that.  Lots of molecules do that.    But there is only one that causes fat cells to store fat.

So it isn't horribly complex, at least as regards what prevents fat storage.  Diets that reduce insulin levels reduce the rate of fat storage.   Such diets are very low in carbohydrates.   Such diets set the body burning fat most of the time, which is a state our bodies are very well designed to do, during a full lifetime not just in emergencies, despite what nutritionists have been taught in schools.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:00 | 2429965 Apply Force
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Pharma had a fat loss answer long ago.  Low dose steroids are ideal for weight loss.  Of course you must lift, sprint, etc - and all of the MSM says "Danger!!!" and in the USSA these are "controlled" substances - - so some hurdles to clear if in the States.  Most important is the mental hurdle to clear - look at the research; read the research.  Pub Med is your friend (just be sure to read whole studies, not just abstracts and paid-for summaries...). 

Females need to watch out for aromatizing steroids, but they have low dose options as well (Anavar for ex.).

And docj - if your thyroid does not work, you should be on replacment therapy.  If it works at a low level, however, try potassium iodide. 

And non-drug Paleo type approaches seem to work for most, assuming the lifting, sprinting, etc just as above.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:27 | 2430245 TBT or not TBT
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Excercise is irrelevant, once carbohydrate intake is cut back severely, that's what the data from studies has shown for many decades, and yet we still have specials like this one posing "set points" and the very stupid "energy balance" model of things.   The latter may be true, but the observation is unhelpful.    It is the content of the diet that drives satiety or continuing hunger, and fat deposition versus fat burning.  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:55 | 2430319 Lux Fiat
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I can second that.  After reading Gary Taubes' book "Why We Get Fat", I cut back on carbohydrates, especially simple carbs.  Started losing weight slowly, but consistently, and without feeling starved.  Other friends who have taken the same approach have had similar results - over a year and longer.  Taubes makes a very coherent argument that the current food pyramid and fear of fats in the diet may literally be killing people.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:39 | 2430396 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed.   "Why we get fat" was the condensed version of a much more thorough tome of Taubes called "Good Calories, Bad Calories," a very thick tome, which is documented heavily with an enormous amount of references to an enormous number of scientific, medical and historical documents detailing how we got where we are today:

We have this this epidemic of obesity, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and the many many "diseases of civilisation" that correlate with these...and correlate with the increased consumption of carbohydrates, and particularly refined carbohydrate consumption, in population after population, regardless of race or climate, across the last several centuries of serious observation.  

The causal theory for this is  absolutely uncontroversial at the biochemical/cellular level, and yet we still have everyone carrying on as if excercise and calorie restriction(as opposed to carbohydrate restriction) are the only solutions.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:50 | 2430657 FrankDrakman
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I'm diabetic, so I have two dogs in this hunt.

Totally agree with everyone that low carb results in weight loss - I lost over 60 lbs (250 to 190) just by going to an extremely low carb diet. Didn't add on much exercise, but have to say the sex life did pick up. Wife used to act pissed off when I put on a pair of pants, sucked in my tummy a bit, and had them fall to my ankles, but she was more than willing to do the nasty after.

Then, for other reasons, we split up. I started living alone, on a very low income. Eating low carb is EXPENSIVE. Ten pounds of potatoes is $1.99; one crown of broccoli is $0.87. Pasta is $0.50/lb; bell peppers are $2.50. Plus, as a single, you can't buy bulk produce, cause it just ends up rotting in the fridge, whereas a lot of carbs (rice, potatoes, pasta, bread) can either sit on the shelf for months or freeze very well.When you only have $30/wk to spend on food, you make compromises.

Now that the weather's decent, I can ride my bike 15 km to work, and I'm starting to see a slow drop, but it does get harder as you get older.

I need to make more money so I can afford to eat healthy!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:15 | 2430445 ElvisDog
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I wouldn't say that exercise is irrelevant, but most people overestimate how many calories you burn during exercise. You get a lot more bang for your buck in terms of weight loss by cutting out white flour, white sugar, and other "waste" carbs.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 02:40 | 2430544 TBT or not TBT
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Agreed, but what I mean to clarify here is:

Exercise is still pretty damn close to irrelevant, as to sustainable maintenance of low body fat, chiefly because burning more calories through exercise increases appetite, as shown in many many many serious studies, to the consternation  of the researchers in most cases.  

Diet and excercise regimes have to be sustainable, not a lifelong torture session, in order to work.     The only diets  that aren't horrendous on the appetite are low carb diets.   Eating carbs makes one hungry pretty rapidly, once the sugar spike is mopped up by the fat cells.    Refined carbs are worse than less refined ones in that regard.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:26 | 2430459 vocational tainee
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an empty sack, doesn`t stay upright..


Wed, 05/16/2012 - 02:44 | 2430549 TBT or not TBT
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Oh really?    Fat people can have A LOT of muscle under all that blubber.   They get that muscle from the very real strength training -like effort of, oh, getting up and walking around.  


Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:31 | 2430641 dolly madison
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Strangley, I seem to lose weight easier when my thyroid is low.  Docj, your medical condition is yours.  It is not all peoples.  In my family we have at least 4 generations of people that get obese in a certain way, apples on sticks.  Not everyone in the family gets obese, but those of us who do get obese in this way.  We probably have a problem with releasing a bit too much of our own cortisol.  When people take prednisone, they get this same pattern of obesity.  Interestingly, more and more people in modern times seem to be getting this pattern of obesity.  Obesity is pretty complex.  I watch the studies and change my ways to what the studies say the thinner people do, and it has definitely stopped the gain.  I've only lost some of my excess weight though.  It is very hard to lose it all. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:41 | 2430285 GeorgeHayduke
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You can trace a lot of obesity to Thyroid problems, hormonal problems and stress. Some doctors believe hypothyroidism is an unnoticed epidemic that is causing obesity. Also, we are one of the most stressed out societies in the world with a crap pile of preservatives and additives in most of our food that can screw up all kinds of things in the body.

Unfortunately, ignorance and laziness in dietary choices, nutrition, and ignoring what your own body is trying to tell you run rampant in the US too. Our for-profit healthcare system with Big Pharma leading the way prefers cattle that doesn't think for itself and leaves all decisions on health and diagnosis to the doctors in their system. Proactive and preventative healthcare are just no starting to come to light.

My own theory is that the obesity epidemic is just a visible indicator of an unhealthy culture that is killing itself through its own gluttony at many levels.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:40 | 2429895 lizzy36
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I read this today, and you might be interested:

A Mathematical Challenge to Obesity

What new information did your equation render?

That the conventional wisdom of 3,500 calories less is what it takes to lose a pound of weight is wrong. The body changes as you lose. Interestingly, we also found that the fatter you get, the easier it is to gain weight. An extra 10 calories a day puts more weight onto an obese person than on a thinner one.


Did you ever solve the question posed to you when you were first hired — what caused the obesity epidemic?We think so. And it’s something very simple, very obvious, something that few want to hear: The epidemic was caused by the overproduction of food in the United States.

Beginning in the 1970s, there was a change in national agricultural policy. Instead of the government paying farmers not to engage in full production, as was the practice, they were encouraged to grow as much food as they could. At the same time, technological changes and the “green revolution” made our farms much more productive. The price of food plummeted, while the number of calories available to the average American grew by about 1,000 a day.

Well, what do people do when there is extra food around? They eat it! This, of course, is a tremendously controversial idea. However, the model shows that increase in food more than explains the increase in weight

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:59 | 2429963 docj
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Well, I can buy that as part of the reason as well. My grandparents and their parents ate "unprocessed" foods their entire lives. They cooked with lard and bacon drippings. Used heavy cream for everything. And were all skinny. Hard to believe I came from their gene pool. That said, they knew two things I really don't - hard, daily physical labor (I ride a desk) and portion control (a 16-oz steak - when you could get beef - some boiled potatoes and lettuce was dinner for a family of 4-5, now I can order a 16-oz rib-eye with 2-sides at Texas Roadhouse for about $20).

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:50 | 2430101 Hulk
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Your grandfather probably burned from 3500 to 6000 calories a day outside of the winter months...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:48 | 2430308 TBT or not TBT
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While your grandparents were not average americans of their time, but rather anecdotal americans until demonstrated otherwise, let's assume they were average americans of their time.   Well, average americans of their time ATE LESS SUGAR, from all sources, than average americans do today.  A LOT LESS.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 07:53 | 2430848 docj
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Absolutely true - they almost never ate sugar.

And I never said they were anything other than anectdotal. That's why I said MY grandparents (who were not even American - they were more-or-less pure-blood Italian).

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:49 | 2430656 dolly madison
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Since we quit eating any preprepared food except ones with very few ingredients like plain chips and sour cream in an effort to avoid the additives, I have found that our appetites more resemble your grandparents.  We are a family of 5, and 1 chicken usually lasts us 2 days.  The first day I will serve it as a roast, and then the 2nd day I will use what is leftover to make a casserole or soup.

On my birthday recently I ordered a pizza to have a day off of cooking for my birthday.  We ordered 2 large pizzas, and ate them both.  Now I make us pizza sometimes, and we never eat that much of it.  The difference is in the free glutamate levels of the food.  I buy pastry flour because it is a lower protein flour, and lower protein = lower glutamate levels.  Also, added free glutamate is most likely added to the meats on the pizza.  I make my own sausage.  Cheese and tomato are also naturally high in free glutamate, and I just try to skimp on them a bit.  MSG is proven to increase the amount eaten, the speed of eating and the BMI of people who eat it.  All free glutamate is the same as MSG in our bodies.
My kids went to their grandmas for a week, and she fed them typical American pre-prepared foods, and the kids said they ate a lot.  They said the food just didn't fill them up.

I know low carb also works, but I can eat carbs and keep my appetite less, if I am careful to not eat too much free glutamate.  Good luck getting anybody to cook this way for you though.  It's a lot of work to cook almost everything you eat. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:45 | 2430296 TBT or not TBT
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No, what happened in the 70's from a government intervention standpoint, was George McGovern's commission that produced the Dietary Guidelines, the federal food pyramid, the vilification of dietary fats, and the accompanying recommendation to substitute carbohydrate calories for the lost fat component.

These recommendations emerged from very poor studies, ideologically blinkered scientists, heavy subsidy from the agriculture industries and even more so from the even larger packaged food industry downstream from them.   General Mills for example.   So people have been eating as if eating less cholesterol has much affect on cholesterol or mortality(it doesn't), as if saturated fats from meat and dairy sources are heart stoppers and artery hardeners(they aren't).    We have "fat free" products and "lite" products that are no such thing.    Carbohydrates, whcih are uniquely fattening, and uniquely stressful to homeostasis of our blood chemistry, are substituted for the lost fats.     We even have federal governerment recommendations that diabetics should eat fructose, which is very well known to cause fatty liver disease, and increase LDL, and trigylcerides.    It is a madhouse.    Up until the 60's EVERYBODY KNEW that strarches and sugars were what made people fat, and diets that elliminated these were uniquely effective.   Then came the Great Brainwashing, led by government and disease perpetuating organisations like "The American Heart Association."    They need heart disease to dissappear like freudian psychotherapists need one thing they can tell their patients, just one time, to prevent their patients coming back again next wednesday for the rest of their navel gazing lives.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:49 | 2429931 Whatta
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Why should anyone spend money on a "magic pill" to make me "better"?


Because we a lazy-assed underreducated, fix-me-doc, Uhmericans.

Seriously, there is so much info on the internet regarding the way to a healthy lifestyle....if one is interested. I could write the stories of several folks I know that made big changes in diet and made huge differences in their appearance AND more importantly in their health.

But, regarding the topic of...The Obese Will Financially Break Us", I came across this article just a couple of days ago...

Us flatbellies living longer could be a considerable financial load as well.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:17 | 2429967 Freebird
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That avatar would be a big hammer, big nail - hahaha, ha ha

( Where are the Aussies when you need them? )

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:10 | 2430004 americanspirit
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Hi docj - without going into my own long health history let me just say that I've learned that obesity isn't necessarily about fat - it can just as easily be about whole body inflammation due to dietary factors.

Have you tried eliminating wheat from your diet? ( Not as easy as it sounds - check labels, you'll be amazed). If you have any kind of gut issues then eliminating wheat and all other grass-related grains should be the first thing you try. It isn't easy, but it can give amazing results.

Have you been tested for Hashimoto's Thyroiditis ( simple cheap blood test - 15-20 million undiagnosed cases in US alone). It is a dead-certainty that a large % of the obese people in the US are obese not because they are stupid pigs but because they are unquestioning sheep. Huge difference. Sheep can learn to be lions. Pigs are pigs.

People who are overweight/obese have been sold a bill of goods that it is because they can't control their caloric intake. But - what if it isn't about calories at all? Start asking questions and don't accept that your weight is somehow because you are a weak-willed or self-indulgent person. That is the big lie that you are expected to accept at face value. Fight it. Get smart!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:43 | 2430075 Race Car Driver
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Did someone fix the italics bug?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:23 | 2429838 Dr. Engali
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Shit Tyler you didn't have to post my Facebook profile pic.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:30 | 2429846 hedgeless_horseman
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Tonight, we had some more of our grass fed beef from here on the farm.  A nice pot roast, carrots, potatoes, and tunips in a Julia Child recipe from The Way to Cook, pp 243 and 237 for the veggies.  


Dessert was Queen of Sheeba cake with a Colorado port from 2006, Two Rivers Cellars.  Not bad, really.  Very smokey.

Go running, 30 minutes per day 5 days per week, and you can eat and drink whatever you want.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:31 | 2429861 Clueless Economist
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Gross...that black thing in the middle looks like what my dog deposited in the yard....carrots and potatoes are cooked to mush....I would eat the rye bread and butter though.....keep trying though

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:32 | 2429868 hedgeless_horseman
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Good doctor, the ass end of the roast is my favorite part!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:33 | 2429863 lizzy36
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You and the family really out did yourself with that meal.

Looks fantastic. 

How does one get an invite ;)

I agree, nothing like 5-6 miles a day, 6 days a week, to keep one in balance.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:36 | 2429875 hedgeless_horseman
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You and yours know how to reach me.  We would be honored.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:40 | 2429887 LetThemEatRand
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"Go running, 30 minutes per day 5 days per week, and you can eat and drink whatever you want."

For me, it's more like 15 minutes 3 days a week.  You are defective.  Or perhaps what works for some people doesn't work for others.  Or we can just be narcissists and assume that what works for me works for everyone if they would just more like be me. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:48 | 2429910 hedgeless_horseman
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Not defective...just old.  Plus, I am sitting in a car or at a desk most of the day five days a week.

You will see, once you pass 40.

I gotta go 22+ per week to stay frosty.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:49 | 2429930 LetThemEatRand
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I've got half a decade on you if you're 40.  Desk job.  Metabolism is gradually getting worse.  I miss the days when I could eat and drink literally anything and not gain weight.  I've learned that it is individual and that one size does not fit all.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:47 | 2429911 Freebird
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Insight. Lol

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:43 | 2429907 Acorn10012
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Meal looks great...a litle exercise never hurt anyone.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:50 | 2429921 candyman
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spot on with the exercise and meal!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:25 | 2430041 Ineverslice
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...Love pot roast! Delicious glass of port, that's dessert enough for me, I'm a main course kind of guy.  Well done.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:27 | 2430046 Taint Boil
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Damn … that looks good. Who in the hell "buttered" that piece of bread?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:52 | 2430110 Hulk
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a butter shotgun...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:53 | 2430106 Hulk
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I'm on my way over...

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 03:05 | 2430578 Troy Ounce
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Nothing wrong with the first pic except for the potatoes and the bread.

The second pic: a very small slice one per month.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 04:53 | 2430658 dolly madison
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When I low-carbed I got a hot fudge sundae once a month.  Anything only once a month won't hurt.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:28 | 2429848 Yen Cross
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 Table Muscle Options.  Bid nOW!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:26 | 2429849 Ancona
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I see many of these behemoths in line at WalMart paying for their groceries with their newly acquired EBT cards. Uncle Sugar is as much to blame as the fat asses are for their won behavior. <actually......sarc>

The true problem is with the addition to sugar in nearly everything we eat here in the states. Every other country limits this shit, but the US bends to the will of whoever has neough money to pay the lobbyists, and whomever can fill the "envelopes" the fattest.

Yeah........the truth hurts........almpost as much as a compression fracture of a shin because you can't support your own fucking weight anymore.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:37 | 2429883 i_call_you_my_base
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You are correct, but it's not just the sugar. A lot of these people are miserable, depressed, have no prospects of work or a future so they just eat. It's the only joy they have in life. It's really no different than being a drug addict.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:43 | 2429903 LetThemEatRand
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Rush Limbaugh is a fat drug addict and he's fucking loaded.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:56 | 2430218 Ident 7777 economy
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... and you'd trade places with him in a heartbeat.


Go ahead and say it. We won't think any less of you ...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:53 | 2430314 TBT or not TBT
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Michael Moore is even fatter, though certainly not as rich.  Being a Democrat, a freakazoid lefty and humanity hater,  he of course does drugs, no possible doubt.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:06 | 2429986 BlueCollaredOne
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I didn't feel like crawling around pubmed but there a multiple studies confirming your position for anyone interested in the subject

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:41 | 2429894 Salah
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This is exactly correct....and checkout that site,  

In a word: sugar...we have to stop subsidizing this and its chemical cousin, high fructose corn syrup

Invest in's the natural, zero-calorie, zero-carb alternative to sugar


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:21 | 2430224 maggiemayok
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I actually grow STEVIA in my garden... and it sweetens wonderfully.  Of course, the leaves are green, so we had to get used to bits of greenleaf in our coffee and tea.  I haven't baked with it yet, but... I'll let you know. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 02:52 | 2430558 TBT or not TBT
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Still, any sweetener without caloric value STILL causes an insulin increase thanks to a hard wired pathway for this purpose, and so causes a corresponding drop in blood sugar, and corresponding sensation of HUNGER, specifically for things that will replace the missing blood sugar, i.e. carbohydrates.

The real trick is to stay on a ketogenic diet long enough to have the carbohydrate cravings (i.e. desire for sweetness) subside.   It can take years for truly hard cases, like really fat pre-diabetic sugarholics, to reach an odd stage where the nostalgia for sweets just disappears inside of a couple weeks, and seems like an odd memory.    Low calorie sweeteners are a crutch that might be best left behind early on in a low carb diet transformation.    Low carb is a new lifestyle for ex fatties, to be maintained almost indefinitely.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:44 | 2429904 American34
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Although I agree that the lobbyist should be hung in the street as they are no Americans at all, they DO NOT have America's best interest at heart. The REAL problem, which I am not too fricken wussy to simply state it is LAZINESS and lack of DISCAPLINE! Its all choice you fat whiners out there! Its simple physics, you take in more calories than you burn and you WILL gain weightt. Period, that simple, deal with it. Stop whining about lack of time and a frickin fast food joints on every corner. I have been there, I made the time. Make your lunch at home and bring it to work, get off your butt and exercise. Start with walking if you have too. I guarantee you when your fit and you don't have to spend half your money on meds because your overweight the better food won't seem so expensive then. Especially when your far happier, have more energy, and generally feel much better. I know it sounds very mean but its true. NO ONE IS FORCED TO EAT TOO MUCH OR TO EAT FAST CRAP FOOD! It is a CHOICE and I am tired of PAYING my tax dollars supporting your CHOICE! It is no different than buying an alcoholic alcohol! I am sick of giving people money I WORK FOR so people can sit at home and eat food they don't need and should never eat anyway! KISS MY BUTT CORN AND SOYBEAN LOBBYISTS!

And yes I am in great shape, I lift weights for an hour 5 times a week. My wife and I grow tons of veggies and YES I EAT MEAT! Everything in moderation. SO I DO practice what I preach. And you know what, when I look in a mirror I DON"T feel depressed at all. I feel good. THANK YOU!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:54 | 2430118 Race Car Driver
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> ... and lack of DISCAPLINE!

No shit! I remember when you could get eight-balls of pure Discapline for under a hundred bucks. Used to snort the fuck outta that shit - never gained an ounce of weight... but didn't sleep well, either.

BTW - I junked ya for indiscriminate caps lock use and being a bit of a pompus ass.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 02:54 | 2430563 TBT or not TBT
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Well, yeahuuuh!   It's thermodynamics, yo!   Conservation of ah, you know!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 03:19 | 2430588 Colonial Intent
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Sounds like you are suggesting people are told what to eat by the govt to prevent obesity.

You sir are a Communist!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:32 | 2429860 i_call_you_my_base
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I'm long that lady's cholesterol level.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:41 | 2429896 ACP
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+ Long triglycerides

+ Short liver, renal and heart function

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:33 | 2429865 Yen Cross
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  What is FAT?   Derivitives sold in slices? Is that fat?  

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:36 | 2429873 DormRoom
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Not suprising.  We're told to 'consume' by ads over 3000 times a day.  That  level of messaging would make any sentient species hungry.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:37 | 2429882 DonnieD
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That picture is why the birth rate is dropping. Who wants to hit that?

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:51 | 2429935 candyman
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I'm gonna puke

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:40 | 2429888 f16hoser
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How would you like to pay her Grocery bill? Uffta!

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:56 | 2430322 TBT or not TBT
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You assume wrongly:   It doesn't cost much at all to fatten up fast. 

Au contraire, carbohydrates are the principal cause of fattening, and carbohydrate foods are very cheap, thanks to the way they are produced(industrial agriculture), the way they are subsidized, and the fact that they store well.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:40 | 2429889 f16hoser
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More Pink Slime please....

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:44 | 2429909 HamyWanger
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If it's really 100% the fault of fat dudes if they are fat, then 72% of Americans are lazy good-for-nothings. Possible, but scary. 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:49 | 2429922 ronin12
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Who needs a magic pill? Paleo Diet is all that's required.




Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:46 | 2430082 Glitch
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Thank you ronin12. Man I consider you guys some of the smartest out there but I'm really disappointed reading some of these comments. The Paleo diet refers to eating what man ate during the paleolithic era. Man evolved over millions of years to eat certain types of food, it's not a fad diet. The evolutionary scientist can see the rise in degenerative diseases with the onset of modern grains and the ones we're eating now have been genetically modified and changed thru hybridazation to be even worse. The same government that says we should eat 6 to 11 servings of grain per day is the same government that brings us the BLS. I think I even saw the head of the USDA on CNBC the other day. You guys struggling with weight, while I understand that some people can eat all they want and not gain, if you are struggling with it now I don't care how much you exercise you will struggle with it all your life unless you stop eating what the body was not designed to injest. "The world is a business Mr. Beal" and please question where you are getting your info from on what is good or bad for you. It's absolutely amazing the way so many lives have been changed by going paleo. I honestly think that it could cause most of these degenerative diseases to disappear like a fart in the wind but I guess that wouldn't do much for the GDP would it. Marks daily apple is a good blog on the subject. Do what you want but you might want to spend some time and look into it. Could dramatically change your life.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:04 | 2429934 Freebird
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Ok, requesting a green arrow from all you fat & obese bastards out there. Don't be shy this is just for the stats ok.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:54 | 2429940 egoist
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Evasion is what plagues us. In this case, less metaphorically than in other material stuff: I wanna have my cake and eat it too.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:54 | 2429941 mr. mirbach
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It is my opinion that the obesity epidemic is a collusion between Big Agri and Big Pharma.  High Fructose Corn Syrup and Aspartame are two of the biggest threats to human health, but Big Pharma has a drug to treat the diabetes and the cancer. Now throw the fact that there is pitifully little nutrion in America's crops due to the depletion of minerals from the soil.

There are fossil plant sources of nutrients that are proven to cure most human ailments.

Big business is profit motivated to poison us. 


Obesity is best cured with total nutrition.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:25 | 2430039 Dingleberry
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apparently you haven't seen a buffet lately.  The only exercise those fat fucks get is carrying 10 lbs of food on a plate back to the table where they gorge themselves.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:02 | 2430332 TBT or not TBT
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HFCS is bad stuff, for sure, but cane sugar is nearly identical in its effects, having a nearly identical ratio of fructose to glucose as HFCS does.    Apple and pear juice are actually worse than either HFCS or cane sugar, for equal sugar intakes, because they contain a 2:1 ratio of fructose to glucose, i.e. much worse than HFCS or sugar, if cost/price is not considered.   The insidious thing about HFCS is above all its lower cost, and carries with it positive connotations of being healthier than sugar, for having a lower glycemic index, and generally thanks to whitewashing of the uniquely terrible effects of fructose(the sugar from fruit, and what could  be wrong with fruit right?)    Plenty.   Humans evolved getting fruit only in a short season  when it was ripe, then that ended until the next year.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:56 | 2429950 ACP
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God damn - I see a "GASTRIC BYPASS NO SURGERY" ad on BOTH sides of the page.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 21:55 | 2429953 ronin12
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"New research suggests that taking time to think about what we eat - and why we are eating - can be an effective way to attain and maintain a healthy weight."

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I guess we need some research studies to prove that mindlessly shoveling food-like substances into your mouth might lead to weight gain.


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:14 | 2429970 flapdoodle
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I'm convinced the obesity epidemic is because the obese actually feel *STARVED*.

My hunch is that what the giant food conglomerates foist on us, with the help of Madison Avenue may pass for food to our defuddled minds, but the body is not fooled and continues to be hungry. Fake sugar, fake fat, fake meat, fake GMO vegetables, etc - fake food that has the calories and "appears" to have the nutrients, but  the body isn't taken in by pink slime, salt, HFCS, rapeseed oil, food coloring, carrageenan and binders.


My favorite modern food ingredient (the key component of "Slim Jims"):

mechanically separated chicken. Cool! I sure wish I could see the process of "mechanically separating" a chicken on YouTube...

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:25 | 2430036 BlueCollaredOne
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Your post is a good reminder that EVERYONE needs to take a multivitamin, preferably one that uses the most bio available form of the vitamins included. You cant go wrong with NOW brands ADAM.

If you have a few extra bucks laying around research into supplementing with fish oil, green tea extract, ALCAR, and probiotics. Those are my staples

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 00:04 | 2430334 TBT or not TBT
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Exactly right.  Carbohydrate rich foods make one hungry again after the blood sugar crisis is over, because of all that insulin running around has lowered blood sugar so far as to make one very hungry all over again.    People on low carb diets with a good balance of fat and protein do not experience this, and lose weight without calorie restriction, routinely, and keep the weight off so long as they resume a low carbohydrate intake.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 09:27 | 2431144 prole
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It's like a catch-22. I understand logically that the carbs are bad and try to avoid them like the plague, but after eating (whatever healthy, not including bread or pasta) I am still insanely hungry and I want a huge platefull of spagetti.

What can I eat, that does not include bread/pasta, that does not also leave me starving and craving pasta/bread?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 12:35 | 2431831 Miffed Microbio...
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Oh man Ive been there! Trying to give up a bread/starch diet is tough and the cravings are incredible, akin to drug withdrawal. Unfortunately the only way I was successful was cold turkey and eating LOTS of meat and veggies to get through the hellish withdrawal. Took me about 1 month to be fully "cured" ie no physical nor mental cravings. It's been about 2 years now and I can honestly say I can walk through a bakery and have no desire for any of if. My husband's gluten sensitive and has Hashimoto's and Myasthesia gravis (thanks Hanford Nuke Power!) so we avoid any GMO,conventionally grown, hormone meat. His drs are amazed he works 10-14 hr days and takes no steroids and has loads of energy. So I'm completely convinced proper nutrition is the answer to our ills, obesity as well as general health. Exercise just enhances the effect.

Keep up the fight! It's worth it in the end.


Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:02 | 2429972 Cman5000
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I can just see it now all these people sitting around waiting for help after it all collapses. Where is my Cheesy Poofs ? 

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:09 | 2429998 msjimmied
Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:40 | 2430070 Marginal Call
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What a fat fucking slob.  Running credit account at the restaurant and he's making a fuss.


They are subsidizing his obesity.  That fish joint is like Germany, and he's like the PIIGS.    All you can eat mercantilism.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:17 | 2430017 Father Lucifer
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For all the remarkable high-tech tools available to medicine, for all the billions of dollars in drug research, there’s still no highly effective medication to prevent or reverse obesity – why?

Similar situation as alcoholism or drug addiction.

From the book Alcoholics Anonymous the answer to this question relating to a "cure" for alcoholism. "Science may one day acomplish this but it has not done so yet." Until then there's the 12 Steps which have worked just fine for me for the past 28 years.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 23:04 | 2430117 BlueCollaredOne
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Why would big pharma want to cure obesity with a single prescription when now they can load a single person up with statins, insulin, thyroid synthetics, arthritis meds, etc? Polypharmacy is all the rage.

Don't forgot all the money doctors bring in from dealing with fatasses as well.

Big pharma does not make money in curing diseases, but by managing symptoms instead. They take notes from the bankers, and would rather kick the can than get things corrected

BTW, congrats on the sobriety.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:18 | 2430019 israhole
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It's a big, fat country!  TV is the bigger problem, while eating chips and soda in front it fully anesthethized.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 22:18 | 2430022 Stackers
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It's the god damn Mexican's fault !!!!. Bringing their intoxicating witches brew of chile con queso and breakfast tacos to kill us all with.

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