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The West Blinks - Iran Embargo Likely To Be Delayed By Six Months

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UPDATE: Oil Sub $100.

And so the escalation ends, if only for the time being, as Iran chalks a (Pyrrhic?) victory.


Why? Because the world slowly realized that the potential surge in oil prices would tip a world already on the verge of a recession even deeper into economic contraction. Not rocket science, but certainly something the US president apparently has been unable to comprehend, especially if hoping that he would merely transfer exports from Iran to his close ally Saudi Arabia which would cement its European market monopoly even further. Or, perhaps, someone just explained to Obama that Embargo in January + QE3 in March = No Reelection...

In other news, crude is now dumping.



Reuters on the topic earlier:

U.S. allies in Asia and Europe voiced support on Thursday for Washington's drive to cut Iran's oil exports, though fear of self-inflicted economic pain is curbing enthusiasm for an embargo that a defiant Iran says will not halt its nuclear programme.


On Thursday, Japan, whose economy is already deep in the doldrums after cuts in its nuclear power supply following last year's tsunami, pledged to take concrete action to cut its oil imports from Iran in response to an appeal for support from visiting U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.


However, Tokyo's support was not without reservations.


Finance Minister Jun Azumi said Japan buys 10 percent of its oil from Iran. "We would like to take action concretely to further reduce in a planned manner," he said. But he added: "It would cause immense damage if they were cut to zero."


The European Union is more sympathetic to U.S. pressure on Iran. EU foreign ministers are expected to agree on a ban on imports of Iranian crude oil on Jan. 23.


However, even Europe, whose governments largely share the concern of Israel and Washington over Iran's nuclear ambitions, is looking for ways to limit the pain of an embargo.


"We expect a slow and gradual implementation of what will eventually become a full embargo," said Mike Wittner from Societe Generale. "Europe has the same concerns about its fragile economy and an oil price spike as the U.S., probably even more".


Firms in Iran's three biggest EU oil customers, Italy, Spain and Greece, all suffering acute economic discomfort, have lately extended existing purchase deals in the hope to at least delay the impact of any embargo for months, traders told Reuters.


The European Union is more sympathetic to U.S. pressure on Iran. EU foreign ministers are expected to agree on a ban on imports of Iranian crude oil on Jan. 23.


However, even Europe, whose governments largely share the concern of Israel and Washington over Iran's nuclear ambitions, is looking for ways to limit the pain of an embargo.


"We expect a slow and gradual implementation of what will eventually become a full embargo," said Mike Wittner from Societe Generale. "Europe has the same concerns about its fragile economy and an oil price spike as the U.S., probably even more".


Firms in Iran's three biggest EU oil customers, Italy, Spain and Greece, all suffering acute economic discomfort, have lately extended existing purchase deals in the hope to at least delay the impact of any embargo for months, traders told Reuters.


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Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:12 | 2059224 Gubbmint Cheese
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Pthh.. pussies.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:14 | 2059237 Ahwooga
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So it appears their financial markets are more important than going after the only real middle eastern threat. Well played douchebags, cant let that dow under 12k... Sigh.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:17 | 2059252 john39
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the only real middle eastern threat?  i believe that would be Israel.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:31 | 2059323 JR
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“Ron Paul’s supporters are lunatics but they are passionate.” – Rush Limbaugh

It turns out Jane Fonda is no longer America’s Hanoi Jane. Reading from his nicotine-stained fingers, the new Pied Piper for the tyrants and war is Rush Limbaugh.

To date, one of Ron Paul’s greatest accomplishments is to finally challenge conservatives to choose between conservatism or fascism that wears the conservative hat. In this case, American-style fascism is the use of government as a weapon for World Empire and for greed -- oil. Iranian Oil.

The danger from Ron Paul is so great that they now are joining forces to try and stop him; the Federal Reserve is telling the Republican candidates to line up against Ron Paul or else you don’t get anything from us.

The Empire, with Goldman printing providing the fueling, could find no better mouthpiece than Rush Limbaugh because he can deliver like the goat leading the sheep to slaughter. He can deliver the limited-vision Israel-first Christians and conservatives who view a strong defense as meaning military offense and political partisans who see elections like football games and America’s chief problem as Obama.

And, in Rush’s formerly nicotined-stained fingers, they did not place 30 pieces of silver but $53 million a year in Fed fiat dollars and the opportunity to rub shoulders with sports team owners, the Hollywood beautiful people (wedding entertainer Elton John), Establishment politicians and government-connected monopolists…and Bankers.

Rush’s ticket to ride are the radio stations that lead him to the audiences the tyrants need, stations now under monopolistic control and prospering with the support of politicians and banker money. Rush succeeds only when he delivers their message.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:44 | 2059381 Clueless Economist
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I agree with most of what you say, BUT

"the Hollywood beautiful people (wedding entertainer Elton John)"

I do not know what you have had to drink, but Elton John is not a beautiful person, physically or personally!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:55 | 2059436 dracos_ghost
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I wonder if "Bennie and the Jets" was a prediction?

Bunch of Obamateurs.


Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:08 | 2059497 IBelieveInMagic
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The movement in many of the financial markets is getting hard to predict -- it appears to me that the markets are being moved by large financial players in ways to wrong foot retail suckers.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:25 | 2059581 dick cheneys ghost
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here is some good propaganda...House of Saud oil output is tapped...

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:36 | 2059644 Randall Cabot
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"The movement in many of the financial markets is getting hard to predict -- it appears to me that the markets are being moved by large financial players in ways to wrong foot retail suckers."

Thanks for sharing that, Captain.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:58 | 2060085 Dugald
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Well its good to see you have at last caught up with the rest of us ...

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 20:17 | 2060217 gravedestruction
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(ZH you have a slight
typo at the bottom
of the post)

The European Union

However, even Europe,

"We expect

Firms in Iran's three
(duplicated text below)
The European Union

However, even Europe,

"We expect

Firms in Iran's three

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:55 | 2060357 smiler03
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So good he said it twice.

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 02:45 | 2060827 Sokhmate
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"This text was intentionally duplicated"

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:00 | 2059463 JR
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Exactly! As Shakespeare  would say:  “The fashion wears out more apparel than the man.”  The same can be said of words; the culture merchants support the fallacy that they can change the nature of the thing by calling it by another name. It simply isn’t so; we can call the Hollywood ugly by another name, but it still manifests itself with the same results, ugly.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:53 | 2059425 DaveyJones
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that is one fat sedated goat. The picture of our "prosperity" 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:07 | 2059493 Ruffcut
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I had just talked to my corner store guy about "what did is that bozo spewing now?" Reference to rush bimbo.  the store owner is starting to get it. But he has no clue to who to listen to next. HE works and can't be fat asses like us who blog on the internet all damn day.

We have only evolved to a text opine and contribution.  Pity us, including myself. But, the store owner has beer on sale!!!! I may be depressed but I ain't thristy, bitchezzz......

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:49 | 2059707 Randall Cabot
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Speaking of sacks of shit, I heard Jerome Corsi on C2C last night yelping that the assassinations of the Iranian scientists was "retaliation" for Iran's nuclear program.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:25 | 2059852 AbruptlyKawaii
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susan del perico said on msnbc iran kills its own scientists for propaganda purposes.  msm  eye-ran analyst for you.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:41 | 2059675 Apocalypse_Now
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"conservatives who view a strong defense as meaning military offense"


Great point! I'm going to start talking about that and I hope RP does in the interviews and debates. "We need a Strong National Defense, but in most cases we don't need a Strong National Offense."

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:22 | 2059842 Seer
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It all took the Orwellian turn when it went from the "Department of War" to the "Department of Defense."

Smedley Butler had the right call: limit the military to protecting ONLY US borders, and doing it so well that not even a gnat could get in*.

* And Derrick Jensen is right that if the US closes its Mexican border to people that it should also close it to goods (fair is fair): problem is that the CIA, the Kochs and others make a LOT of money off of drugs and weapons to/from Mexico.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:27 | 2059858 Seer
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In somewhat of an ironic twist Derrick Jensen and Adam Smith tend to agree on this trade issue.  Adam Smith stated that no nation should trade with nations who are not on the same economic footing: also said that nations shouldn't trade "like" goods...

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:56 | 2059749 caconhma
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Let us clearly understand the difference between Iran oil Embargo vs. Blockade:

·      Embargo is an unfriendly act since, in a peacetime, everybody is free to decide what to buy and from whom

·      Blockade is an act of war


Consequently, Iran is absolutely right that, in a case of a blockade=war, it is justified to use ANY means it consider appropriate to defend itself!


Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:16 | 2060129 Jack Burton
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Brilliant take on the Rush Limbaugh situation.

To call that drug addicted draft dodger prick a patriot and a conservative is a joke. He is a paid liar whore for the banks, Israel and the corporate elites who write his script and pay him his millions. Limbaugh is no fool, he knew where the money was and he offered his services as propagandist in chief to send a steady stream of lies out on the airwaves to convince Americans to vote against freedom, democracy and conservative values.

He talks big for a draft dodger. He had his chance to fight the commies he hates so much. Where was Limbaugh when he could back up his mouth. Hiding behind mommies apron strings and doing drugs.

Limbaugh is nothing but a whore for the bankers a whore for Israel. If he bad mouths Ron Paul, it may be because his brain is fried from thousands of Oxy and Vicoden.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 20:07 | 2060206 pakled
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+1 I used to listen to Rush, and he would often claim he was doing the show with "half my brain tied behind my back".


To that I would always reply, "I believe you Rush".




Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:31 | 2059327 Max Hunter
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You're not allowed to say that John.. Yes, I know it's true, but that is of no consequence..

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:34 | 2059344 alien-IQ
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The amount of junks the Israeli firsters are getting here and in many other places is one of the few signs of hope I have seen that we may just survive all this madness. It seems that people are waking up to who the real problem is.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:45 | 2059388 frostfan
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No.  You're just coming to a website where all the people to think that way gravitate.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:01 | 2059465 Waffen
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You're wrong.  The word is spreading like wildfire. Only 6 months ago I still beleived in the holohoax.  The truth burns away the lies like a match to gasoline.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:09 | 2059499 Frank N. Beans
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uh, "the truth"??

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:25 | 2059853 whstlblwr
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Only 6 months ago you were right. Now you're paranoid idiot who spreads lies on the web. Wait you remind me of other asshole who used to visit this site. Maybe you've traded rifle for boobs. Boob.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:42 | 2059887 Waffen
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Faked photos, Russian built fake smoke stacks, lack of evidence, all proof given by Russian communists, the impossibility of burning Millions of bodies in the time given. where are the remains. Lack of zyclon b residue in supposed gas chambers. Soccer games, movies, plays, orchestras, swimming pool at auahwitz. The words of surviving jews claiming seeing geysers of blood, lies about human soap, lampshades etc(complete bullshit). Jews were given the same rations as the locals until the breakdown of govt in 1945.

Typhus epidemic. The holocaust as presented to americans is bullshit.

What is worse is that this bullshit continues to be given as a reason to engage in more and more war. Can't have another holocaust.

I was ignorant of the facts, all one need do is look into both sides and we sir have been lied to.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:59 | 2059927 whstlblwr
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It's really fucking scary how easy it is to manipulate people. Here is something that happened as fact and you idiots who deny it scare the shit out of me. With people like you in this world, we are fucked.

I know it first hand, my wifes family were killed. The people in the photos who died, Used to exist and now they don't. Just conspiracy? Paranoid freak asshole

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:15 | 2059978 Waffen
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Sure Jews died hundreds of thousands. Even worse world war 2 killed 20+ million.

This doesn't change the fact that the holocaust as taugh is bullshit. If the official story is so easy to defend, why would they have to pass laws that send people to prison for questioning it.

It's easy to say its crazy, as I would have. However see both sides of the story and the result is that the official story holds zero water.

The hoodomor in the Ukraine killed verifiably millions and yet hat isn't taught at all. Instead we learn a fairy tale that is then used again and again to get us into war and to justifiy israel horrible abuse of the palistinians.

Continue to believe fairy tales, I really dont care. However the truth is spreading and that you can not stop without force.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:38 | 2060161 whstlblwr
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You can be a fool and deny it all you want and you won't go to prison. You are stretching the truth with your comments. You've opened your eyes, taught yourself so much, you know the truth? Why don't you talk to children of survivors, or find people who were there. There are still some alive, then come back here and say it is a lie.

Anyone can read easy description on wikipedia of what you're referring to and see you're stupid spreading lies. Your hero apparently, Ernst Zendel, even his wife divorce him after 18 months calling him evil incarnate.

For peace both Jewish and Arabs have claims to Israel and they will have to each give up something they don't want.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 20:37 | 2060244 Waffen
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People died, but no gas chambers and no final solution of wich there is zero proof.

Starvation and typhus late in the war is what killed so many.

As for heros of revisionism, it would be David Cole who exposed the lies of auswitz. Btw David cole is a Jew.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:12 | 2060303 blunderdog
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Just to be clear: are you saying that the Germans (soldiers at Auschwitz/Treblinka) who described the process of dropping Zyklon-B into rooms full of Jews were *lying*?

Or is this a nitpick on the fact that the rooms being used had been constructed "originally" to delouse clothing and not as "gas chambers" for execution?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 23:53 | 2060595 Prometheus418
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Zyklon-B stains the walls blue.  Please present photographic evidence of former concentration camp gas chambers that have blue discoloration.  For bonus points, explain the world census numbers.

Really, please do so.  I am not unwilling to change my mind, but I do require facts to do so.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:02 | 2059932 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Whoa, whoa,whoa,

What holocaust?

There was never any holocaust of jews.

It wasn't just exagerrated it never took place, yo have not dug deep enough into it yet.

Just keep reading those facts, dig real deeply into those ultra informative sites.

Asalam alekem.


Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:06 | 2060111 frostfan
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I see.   Well Achmajerkoff also says there was no holocaust.  Then again, he says there are no homosexuals in Iran so he's a great one to look for analysis.

I guess the only place I need to dig is to people who say it never happened, therefore it didn't.  That kind of logic explains why we don't get a lot of technology or advances out of so many Arab countries now doesn't it.


Fri, 01/13/2012 - 13:59 | 2062300 Hephasteus
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The world does not work off complete lies. It works off ever increasing distortion of truth.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 09:14 | 2064422 Element
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Yes, "ever-increasing" is a way of saying the 'thinker' is in the end an amplifier.

An amplifier of what?

Pure abstraction that in the end is so compelling we can't see of don't understand or tend to forget, that it is only abstraction.

One abstraction leads into another.

This is what is called 'thinking'.

The more we think, the more the abstraction amplifies into other abstractions, that make the original abstractions seem even more intense, more compelling.

Welcome to 'obsessions', and 'beliefs' ... in an aggregate melange of self-intensifying abstractions.

The TPTB and its propagandists, and corporate advertising experts (psychologists) know this basic pattern.  

They know that if they can create an abstraction of 'desire' in us, mentally, and get us to think about the object of desire enough via media repetition, it will amplify in most people. It will not affect all equally. But some, if not most, it will affect.

Thus they can get us to buy unfordable total crap, on credit, and work for many years for the transient thrill of it's purchase.  Or they can fan desire to get ordinary people to kill a totally innocent child, with a 30mm cannon, and feel really good about it.

And they really are doing this to us, and they know exactly what they are doing.

They now because they are 'illuminated' or enlightened with that understanding of the mind, and how to use it in INCESSANTLY to create mental warfare in us, and outside us. They use this knowledge not to help us be actually free, but to make us inferior slaves, held down in a Matrix of their abstractions.

So they use this natural characteristic of thought, to amplify whatever they want amplified in us.

The amplification can be positively re-enforcing, or negatively re-enforcing, via the way the abstractions run together and connect us.

We are ALWAYS being fucked-with like this.

The control of the media is there to control the 'content' -- the abstractions, and their repetition intervals, and to control the direction we amplify via supplying a context that pushes it one way, or the other.

War or Peace

Happy or sad


The repetition of the content and its context, re-enforces positive or negative attitudes, obsessions or beliefs,  and thus motivations to actual action.

This is done to undermine rationality, fact, history, real events, and whether O'Brien is holding up 3 fingers or 4.

Via repetition and intimidation, until we don't want to feel intimidated, or undermined any more, via not owning item 'x', or to seek a solution to a problem they created in us, We want to appear 'sexy' or 'acceptable' or 'normal'--so we buy the shit they are selling, and become their usury slave. And if it gets us depressed, we may buy drugs of them, so we become their drug slave as well, via working or stealing for them to by their mind-altering escapes--which solve absolutely nothing, BTW.

Therefore we slave away for some arseholes, to get the credit scores, so we can buy the material goode, to satisfy the abstracted 'desire', that demands the purchase occur, which is being sold by a bunch of con-men to make something called "an economy".

Making nothing appear as something--the whole basis for Fiat money and Fiat 'trade'.

And everyone else says its meaningful, and worthwhile, and satisfying, to just own it, therefore we go along with this conventional wisdom, discover it is bullshit, but don't dare admit openly that you are NOT satisfied, and no it was not worth it, and no, it is not meaningful either. That 3 really equals 3, not 4.

It takes guts to face all this.

Our 'amplifier' responds to sensory stimulation--this is a fact.

Nothing wrong with that, at all.

What is wrong is that the amplifier is being systematically abused, and mentally tortured, INCESSANTLY, to create the inertial madness of this slavish world of silent dissatisfied debtors, sitting in a mental mud-puddle, where deep confusion is expected to be the norm, and where they know something is terribly wrong, and they don't know what it is.

Then they self-medicate and entertain themselves to "get over it".

That is what they want us to do, so they provide all the manipulated mechanisms for this as well.

So people may take drugs to "escape all the shit".

Only the shit being sold to them, to 'get off', is the same shitters again, getting another cut out of fucking with you some more.

Oh yes, they have you in a fucking mental cage, and then they may put you in a real cage as well, for your own good of course, because they want the best outcomes for you.
But you're so dumbed-down and fucked-up now that you actually go along with it all. You accept it, as a fact.

When it is all the result of amplified abstractions.
There are a million ways of saying this.  That is just one.  I could have just as easily described how they use the same technique to fester and then start wars, and to get people's propaganda deranged 'amplifier' to clamour for utter butchery, of mere strangers, who have done nothing at all to the attacker.

This is what they do.


This is why they think we're 'monkeys' and call us 'goys', and they make the info-entertainment crap on the side-bar of life, and the picture of the celebrity titties to distract up again.

All to keep us at that level.

Because if we ever woke up ... they would all cease to breathe.

This is a genuine fight for survival.

Theirs if we wake-up, and ours if we don't.

They figure we're mostly too duped, too entrained, and too removed from real sensate experiences, via endless abstraction via media, that we'll almost never work our own way out of their mental Matrix, constructed as a source to their power.

But the fact remains, we can individually wake up from all this abstracted cerebral shit.
We can discover that the real mind is something that was there, in us, all along, just it was obscured by that Matrix.
The important thing is to wake up.

And that is not easy, and it almost never happens, but it can, and it does.

The Matrix does stop, you do suddenly wake up, and discover a totally different place.

They are trying to prevent us from developing.

Then they even turn it around and call the Matrix, "the Developed world".

Sorry, but that's just behaving like a monkey.

Monkey see, monkey do.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:38 | 2060040 frostfan
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Here's a math question Waffen that you will need to ignore.  Number of Jews in Europe before WW2 = x,  Number of Jews in Europe  after WW2 = y.  X - y = ?????

Was there a golf course at Auschwitz too? 

I'm sure if someone any told you there was, you would treat this as gospel and absolute fact that there was.

I"m not surprised by holocaust deniers here.  Every jerkoff can say oh lack of this, didn't see that.  This doesn't count, that doesn't count blah blah blah.




Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:28 | 2060145 caconhma
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You are right.

This is why the Jewish population in the Soviet Union increased after the WWII by more that 2 millions since jews moved from many European countries to USSR before, during, and after the WWII.

There was a huge movement of people across Europe before, during, and after the WWII. Consequently, this has to be incorporated into accurate calculations.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 20:57 | 2060270 Waffen
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Photos and personal statements by prisoners acknowledge what I said about auswitz Amenities.

As for population numbers, people migrated and a lot of those that did not died due to 1945 starvation and rampant typhus (the allies had DDT so no typhus problems).

100k perhaps, but all the outrageous death numbers and gas chamber nonsense was lies by the Commies and the lampshade nonsense ws out right lies by American psyop units. The movie showing the evidence is outright bullshit. See this shade, it's human skin. Bullshit it is. Same with the soap nonsense.

NaZis were bad, the Commies were worse and the allies did a lot of bad shit. Most the official story of the 20rh cent is bullshit.

Just look at the bullshit lies in the last 20 years to get us into wars that we only know are bullshit because of the internet.

Iraq war 1. Soldiers throwing babies on floor (bullshit)
Iraq war 2 weapon of mass destruction.(bullshit)
Lybia tyrant killing people en masse(bullshit)
Iran. Same old bullshit

I am sick of the lies and see through he bullshit. We are told as children to be honest, trust your goverment.

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 08:16 | 2060962 my puppy for prez
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You forgot 9/11.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:17 | 2060130 caconhma
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Somebody must be very sick on a head to trust the old Soviet propaganda. Almost everything they have said was a Lie.

Remember a "worker and peasants paradise" with millions of workers and peasants deliberately killed, tortures, and starved to death?

Now, knowing many things not known before, the Soviet regime founded & established by Jewish thugs on the Rothschilds and Warburg money is considered at least as brutal and criminal as the Nazi regime.

Just ask Ukrainians with their The Holodomor (literal translation Killing by hunger) was a man-made famine in the Ukrainian SSR between 1932 and 1933. During the famine, which is also known as the "terror-famine in Ukraine" and "famine-genocide in Ukraine", more than 8 millions of Ukrainians died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.

Zionist propaganda blames Stalin for the Holodomor but, at that time, he was not yet a dictator. This genocide against Ukrainian people was executed by Soviet Secret police (aka NKVD) under its Jewish Chief Yagoda. At that time, the top echelon of NKVD was consisted exclusively of Jews. 11 out of 13 GULAG extermination camps commandants were Jewish.

One thing is absolutely clear: the history of the XX century must be revisited since too many lies were created to justify and perpetuate criminal activities.


Thu, 01/12/2012 - 23:49 | 2060591 Prometheus418
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"You're wrong.  The word is spreading like wildfire. Only 6 months ago I still beleived in the holohoax.  The truth burns away the lies like a match to gasoline."

My grandfather was a Hebratic Jew from Sileasia- as such, I had naturally believed in the holocaust and the evils of the Germans for years.  To be perfectly frank, though- my opinion has changed considerably since then.  Whatever the Zionists may or may not be, I am only laying claim to my Irish heritage these days.  I have no desire for or interest in participating in the wholesale murder of my fellow men- and I will not, under any circumstances, defend a Zionist.

The world, society, and individuals need to change, and that is the long and short of it.  I don't care if the holocaust happened or not- worse things have happened before and since, and a story of dubious origin from the past is no reason at all to attempt to maintain the status quo.  

Before anyone can point out that I have, indeed, said that I am willing to have a few more years to prep in the current system, I'll point it out myself.  Yes, I am actually afraid of what will happen when the ball drops- the apocalypse is not something I look forward to.  I'd like to see my children grown and strong before we have to rely on rations.  Sue me.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:02 | 2059476 alien-IQ
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ZH is not the only site I read. This is something I've noticed in many publications as I have a tendency to read comment sections. I've seen this in all the UK papers (Telegraph, Times, etc.) as well as many US papers. Even on places like Yahoo. You can deny it til you're blue in the face...but it doesn't change the fact that it's happening. The cries of "anti-semitism" no longer carry any weight because it has been so over used and misused. The images of operation Cast Lead and the response to the flotillas have left an indelible mark on the public conscience which will not soon be forgotten.

It is your right to deny this. It is your right to ignore this. But ignoring it and denying it will not change it or make it go away.

The tide is turning. Deal with it.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:05 | 2059484 Waffen
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just wait until the goyim(we the free humanity) realize what the talmud teaches


the barn gates have been broken open, and without SOPA being enacted ASAP, its game over.  Ofcourse they can then try to send us all to gulags. 100 million+ gun owners may have a say about that


zionism is the most evil and outragous form of racism

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:26 | 2059848 whstlblwr
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What does the bible teach? Same violent bullshit. Fuck off.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:47 | 2059896 Waffen
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I am agnostic, but at least the teachings of Jesus do not teach that everyone else is an animal.

The Talmud teaches that non Jews are animals to be lied to, cheated, and used like cattle. Non Jews are not "human."

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:03 | 2059943 whstlblwr
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Agnostic? call yourself idiot. The talmud does not teach such things, if you waste your time to scramble for a quote, then look up violence and treachery from jesus and post it too.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:41 | 2060046 frostfan
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Where exactly in your version of fantasyland earth does every jew study the Talmud?   The fact that most jews never read the Talmud is completely irrelevant to you and inconvenient to your warped view of the world.  Of course, this is Zerohedge where my comments must be red-arrowed for saying something to counter your garbage and false hysteria.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:27 | 2059861 frostfan
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Really?  What makes Zionism the most evil and outrageous form or racism?  How is it racist when anyone can become a Zionist?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:21 | 2060001 CompassionateFascist
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Ah...they tend to be mostly Jews. Or their hirelings: Churchill, Sean Hannity, Bush, Obama, etc.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:08 | 2059486 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Of course you read nothing but shit to confirm your delusions.

Tick tock, tick tock, broken clock.

Yea just wait until they stop flogging gays and stoning adulterous women.

or until never.







Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:09 | 2059500 Waffen
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How much are you being paid?

"Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook"
Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:17 | 2059542 frostfan
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Wow!!!!!!!   $2,000!!!!!!!  

I've seen this link at least a hundred times on here but big deal.  We don't even know if the program actually started of how many are involved.  How is that different than paid government lobbyists here in USA?


Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:23 | 2059845 whstlblwr
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Fuck off. Asshole.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:12 | 2059503 Xkwisetly Paneful
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I think the US should just kidnap three Iranian kids wandering around in America and hold them for ransom citing espionage.


Or maybe Obama should incite a crowd to chant "Down with Iran"

Can always say it was misinterpreted afterwards.




Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:16 | 2059530 Waffen
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The US black bags people all the time.  If our country was being bombed all the time, and our scientists were being assasinated by (Mossad agents) then I am sure we would be more then a little annoyed.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:10 | 2059792 Shylockracy
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Ahmadinejad adresses the German people and the Merkel regime on History and hypocrisy .

(with English subtitles)

It takes only 3 minutes but it is worth the while.

The translation was provided by the Memri Zionist propaganda outlet in an effort to discredit Ahmadinejad and smear Iran before the German public. As you can read on the comments, the effort backfired badly. There is definitely a new awareness rising and this cannot be good to US-ZOG, Merkel's regime, NATO and that pustule of a country named Isntreal.



Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:52 | 2059901 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Down with Israel, Down with America the crowd chanted in response.

It is always misinterpreted. For a country with zero freedom of expression it is amazing how the creativity emerges in Monty Python like bullshit nonsense governmental propaganda.

Like the low level war Iran has been engaging via proxy vs the US the last decades has been misinterpreted.

Asalam alekem.

Radical islamists are the danger in the middle east, in Europe, in Asia,

in Africa and elsewhere in the world.

NO matter how much the ball danglers want to keep pushing their pro caveman agenda.




Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:45 | 2060342 BigJim
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Yes, you would expect them to love Israel and America, what with our overthrowing their democratically elected leader, installing and propping up a vicious despot in his stead, sponsoring Iraq to attack them, shooting down their airliners, imposing blockades, killing their scientists...

What an unreasonable bunch of ingrates these cavemen are!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:15 | 2059979 docmac324
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According to our latest laws, one does not have to be Iranian to be detained just in CONUS.  

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:16 | 2060125 DogSlime
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What kind of tide, though?  It always confuses me what the anti-Jewish sentiment specifically stands for.

Surely it's not that if someone is of Jewish race - no matter who they are - child or adult, rich or poor, any nation, any social class - then they're guilty simply by race?

If so, then it's racism.  Dress it up how you like, it's racism.

If not, then what?  I'm not challenging the position (unless it's the above) but it would be nice to see specifically what the anti-Jewish sentiment actually is.  Is it about some specific Jews in the Financial/media/political elite?  If that's the case, then that's very different than "the Jews" which would refer to any and all Jewish people, yes?  It just seems like the term "Jews" is a massive generalisation - it's a racial term and it looks like the entire race is being blamed.

I don't believe that someone is guilty simply by being of a given race.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:47 | 2060346 BigJim
Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:55 | 2060358 Cadavre
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Jews are members of a parish - a religion - not a "race". There are Chinese Jews, African Jews, Irish Jews.  The inventors of the Jewish Parish were Ethiopians - so - if we were to speak about the Jewish "race", we'd be talkin `bout Africans.

The biggest SCAM to hit American Easter Eve Viewing was Cecil B De Mills, "The Ten Commandments". Had that bit of hypno-foreplay been anthropologically factual, all the characters would have been portrayed by actors presenting the African phenotype.

The modern Jewish diaspora are the Sephardi Jews, or "semitic" Jews, who have kept getting kicked out of their homeland, Palestine, since the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. The most recent exodus took place when the east European Jews took, in force, Palestine, first in 1938, in an arrangement the German Zionists had with NAZI Germany, and then later, in 1948 when the first act of the UN security council, as per the Balfour Declaration of 1913, chartered Israel and booted the indigenous Palestinian Jews out. The Sephardi diaspora now live in Syria, Iran, Palestine (though some are still allowed, with contempt, to live in the Blue and Green Zone Buffers Israel carved off Syria and Lebanon), and Iraq, to name [but] a few.

The Balfour Declaration lead to America's entry into the all but over except for the UK's signature on the surrender docs, WWI, and the Federal Reserve.

The European Jews became Jews in 784AD when the Ashkenazi (think Hungary Czechoslovakia Vlad the Impaler) converted instantly in mass to Judea in order to receive mercy of  the Islamic warriors conquered the northern Mediterranean all the way to Spain. Why? The Ashkenazim knew that Islam considered Jews their brethren, so the conversion was an act of self preservation.

At the Hebrew University a lot of scholarly effort is put into the voyage of the so called Arc of Noah and seeks a rational that would allow the assertion the Arc's path made a port of call near the ancient geography known today as eastern Europe.

Abraham was an Iraqi.

In Spanish Christian Churches the word for god is "Dios". In Arab Christian Churches the word for god is "Alah"

The Islamic Quran is an almost perfect paraphrase of the Jewish Torah.

The ancient Christian scholar, Jesus, is also a scholar in Islamic canons.

A Zionist is not a Jew. A Zionist is a Zionist, period.


When I hold you in my arms
and I feel my finger on you trigger
I know nobody can do no harm
Because Happiness is a warm gun mama

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 23:35 | 2060563 my puppy for prez
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Where can I find more info on the history of the Ashkenazis?  I know a little about them, but I did not know that they originated in the location you mentioned.  Fascinating!

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 01:12 | 2060629 Randall Cabot
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Here's a link to "The Thirteenth Tribe" which is a famous book on the subject. I don't believe all or even most Ashkenazi jews descended from the Khazars which was a kingdom composed of several ethnicities. A lot of Ashkenazi jews are related to Europeans who intermarried with the Sephardic jews who migrated into Europe.

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 08:12 | 2060961 my puppy for prez
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Thanks, RC!  I remember reading about the Khazars a few years ago, but the info was brief and it left me with lots of questions.  I will check it out.

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 12:00 | 2061654 Iwanttoknow
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MPFP,what you need is info on"the thiteenth tribe"by Arthur Koestler.Right from the horses mouth.They are the precursors to Askenazim.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:11 | 2059511 Ima anal sphincter
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A website that has some pretty smart people on it. A website hosted by a person who reads through the MSN bullshit and has the guts to "lay it out." A website where the majority of folks are NOT BRAINWASHED and understand the TRUTH.

Really now, scurry along to some please else. I'm sure you'll fit in quite well on ABCNBCCNNCBSFOX or AIPAC's websites.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:18 | 2059528 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Good one. Pretty smart people, just ask them.

I am amazed any have money left to pay the electric bill after touting silver all the way to the top.

I am further amazed that these smart people actually believed things Fukashima and the Gulf Oil spill was the end of the world.

This site is consistent for one thing, the greatest fades known to mankind.

Full of a academic theoreticals who if ever forced to actually subsist on their own proprietary work where results matter would starve in record time.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:21 | 2059558 frostfan
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I disagree with many views here but at least they don't need to be sheltered like the pussies over at Daily Kos who enforce groupthink on their boards.  

But yes, there's a ton of people here who think just because they come here they're so much better informed and smarter than everyone else.  If they really were, they'd be bankers :)

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:49 | 2060347 BigJim
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Bankers aren't "much better informed and smarter than everyone else" - they're a group that are allowed to create money out of thin air.

And they still need to be bailed out!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 20:42 | 2060253 Tompooz
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"You're just coming to a website where all the people to think that way gravitate."

and is that not because they have become resistant/allergic to the MSM?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:00 | 2059471 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Mohammed no amount of paint can glory this pig but keep on trying.

In the meantime, the US/Zionist regime is the devil, vote Ron Paul, buy silver and the next oil spill, nuclear meltdown will be the end of humanity as we know it.  As predictable as a broken clock and just as useless.

Now run along surely it is time to kneel and face mecca.




Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:11 | 2059501 john39
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wow, the fact that you think calling someone a Muslim is derogatory, speaks volumes about your mentality and how you (fail to) see reality.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:17 | 2059540 alien-IQ
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It's pretty amazing isn't it? I've noticed that he seems to be tailing me lately. It's like I've had a troll assigned to me (which is oddly flattering)...but he does behave sort of like a Macy's security guard stalking a black man through the jewelry department. It's simultaneously humorous and disconcerting.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:25 | 2059564 Xkwisetly Paneful
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wow, the fact that Mohammed has been calling me Shlomo for two days would seem deragatory too if I was actually jewish.

 maybe i will go visit these peace loving IRanians and walk down main st teheran with some deragotory poster of Mohammed and see how that goes.

See if any progress in the freedom of expression department has been made.


Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:26 | 2059587 john39
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you would probably get a better reception there than here.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:34 | 2059635 Xkwisetly Paneful
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This way I can see some reality.

Maybe take in a stoning or two while there.

In Mohammed parlance "we" get it bitch, conform or get junked.




Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:19 | 2059832 DaveyJones
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Stoning's minor leagues.  Try invading countries. 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:54 | 2059912 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Invading a country is nothing. Try gassing a million of your own citizens.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 22:09 | 2060356 DaveyJones
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I love your limited edition history books. We set the kurds up and told them we would back them. In criminal law, we call that an   a  c  c   o   m   p  l   i    c    e.  We've played that group like we've played every other group in that theatre for decades. We fed lots of military money to Turkey and looked the other way why they did fun things to them as well.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:55 | 2060359 BigJim
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Really? Iran gassed millions of its own citizens?

(Oh, Germany did that... sixty years ago. I guess that means the survivors can go and take someone else's land)

Killing millions of people who aren't your citizens is ok, though, right?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:56 | 2059921 Seer
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Aerial drones in the sky.  Agent provocateurs on the ground.  The MOST MASSIVE COLLECTION OF VIOLENCE EVER AMASSED.

Yeah, stop us from liberating your oil you you violent rock-throwers! </sarc>

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:06 | 2059949 Xkwisetly Paneful
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The day the yous and the rest of the US hating malcontents stop hating,

is the day to be very, very afraid.

The world will probably end the next day.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:40 | 2059665 cranky-old-geezer
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But 99% of those "waking up" people still believe voting is the way to change things.

... and they're right.  Vote one criminal out of office, vote another one in. 

They changed criminals.  That's the only change.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:21 | 2060138 Jack Burton
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Israeli Firsters are almost always co-religionists or even more worrying they are the fundamentalist christians who want the final chapter of their bible played out in the middle east as soon as possible.

I know many of there fundamentalists and they are almost always more concerned for Israel than for any American or this nation. Traitors is a word for them, yet they get away with treason because they back God's chosen against everyone else, including Americans

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:39 | 2060163 Cathartes Aura
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all the more reason to keep a strict divide between religious beliefs and "government" - pretty much anything can be justified if "god" is telling you to do it / on your side - all this "god's chosen peoples" stuff is ubiquitous - every god-botherer believes HIS god is the right one, and HE's a chosen member of that god's special club - makes for dangerous law-makers.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:58 | 2060366 DaveyJones
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I put your coffee quote up at work. It was better than caffeine

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 22:45 | 2060481 Jack D. Ripper
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I agree absolutely! The world would be a much safer place if only we had more atheistic leaders like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:09 | 2059802 cfosnock
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LOL...what about Pakistan they are nuclear armed, openly hate us, have help the Taliban, and apparently even hid Bin Laden. I'm not sure how the US feels about it,  but I heard India's biggest fear is radical islamists taking over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, the way their is a near-open conflict between the civilian and military leadership.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:22 | 2060003 Seer
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What about the US?  It's got WAY more nukes than anyone else.  It's the ONLY country to ever have used them on a CIVILIAN target.  It's got well over 700 military installations scattered about the globe.  It openly supports the greatest terrorists: the international banking cartel.  It once had Osama Bin Laden on its payroll; Bin Laden, from the famous Saudi Family that the US helps protect (in Saudi Arabia as well as abroad [several family members were "protected" out of the US following 9/11]).  It (CIA) introduced car bombings to the Middle East.

A great starting point for those who are not really up to speed on what's driving the region would be Pepe Escobar's Pipelanistan series.  Lots of references here as well:

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:07 | 2059905 Cadavre
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When Rickie [should be in a] Sanitarium was asked by fab debate moderator with the "i just slurped a wad of love juice off peter north's divining rod" chipmunkish grin, David Gregory asked, "why does it matter if Iran has a nuclear weapon given that other countries in the region do?", Rickie's "eyes in the headlights" response was Because Iran is a theocracy.

How much more theocratic is Iran than the 200 war head plus Jewish State of Israel? At least Iran has Jewish seats in it's Parliament - how many Muslims or Christians have a seat in the in the War Usury's favorite buggering hole and Loss Leader's Knesset?

Oooops, forgot: The prez and most of the congress, when not moonlighting as Wall Street bag men and not getting serviced at K-Street Kiddie Brothels. serve as Israeli PM's - sorry guys!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:31 | 2060026 Seer
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Like Ricky Sanitarium doesn't want the US (and the entire world) to be controlled by a theocracy?  I thought that this was the very essence of his religious basis?

Those who whine the most are usually those that are whining because they can't be the ones doing the very same things that they're accusing others of doing.  Deception, it's one of nature's key survival tools: the question then is whether humans would be better represented by a gene pool that's fashion from Sanitarium or not; I'm not thinking that it would be a good idea.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 23:20 | 2060542 my puppy for prez
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I can't listen to one more thing that guy says!  He is a raving lunatic...a rabid dog...he literally gets jazzed when he gets a chance to talk about taking out Iran.  It's sickening!

I am a Christian, and I seriously question his pronouncement of faith.  His actions speak louder than his words.  He gives people of faith a BAD name.  Just know that not ALL Christians are like him.  Unfortunately, way too many, I know.  Its killing me!

We have some seriously brainwashed people in this coutry.  Many Christians check their brain at the voting booth door.  

And then....there are the Obamabots who were so vehemently against the wars....and now, they are so very quiet.  Lots of hypocricy and idiocy to go around, I guess.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:34 | 2059342 Waffen
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I hate to promote the guy.. But Lindsey Williams said that war with Iran would be put on hold until right before the election.   He said this a few months back.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:00 | 2059393 Randall Cabot
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I'm still waiting for the Gulf of Mexico to split wide open and swallow Florida, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana like he predicted during the BP disaster.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:13 | 2059518 Spastica Rex
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Why are you still waiting for that?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:22 | 2059557 Randall Cabot
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I'm not, it was sarcasm.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:26 | 2059854 Spastica Rex
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Me too!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:04 | 2059784 Strelok
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He's been wrong so many times that I've quit paying attention to anything he says.  If he's right, it's only by chance. 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:59 | 2060367 BigJim
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It certainly makes sense if they're only expecting a three-week bombing blitz

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 07:38 | 2064379 Element
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So it appears their financial markets are more important than going after the only real middle eastern threat. Well played douchebags,


Don't fret, there will still be plenty of killing for all, the proxy war is just on the verge of starting.

Summer 2012 is going to be hot.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:34 | 2059343 AbruptlyKawaii
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you satisfied now teddy? cause i can go on busting you up all night.

dont splash the fucking pot if you aint got the nut straight.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:49 | 2059413 slaughterer
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NOTICE ALL ZHers: BUY SCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 21:11 | 2060302 buckethead
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^4.29% on the day.

And you got junked for the call.

The best revenge is a happy life.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 23:24 | 2060552 AbruptlyKawaii
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well played i actually checked out how long you've been on welcome to fight club

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:14 | 2059230 GeneMarchbanks
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On we go to Nigeria...

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:18 | 2059264 BoNeSxxx
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Is it just me or does anyone else get a little warm feeling every time A-Daddy or Hugo shoves a stick sideways up the oligarchs' ass?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:23 | 2059283 GeneMarchbanks
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I suppose that is one way to interpret it. I see this as more of a move to lower crude as the repugnicats get closer to an (pre-selected) candidate.

Fear, threats, blatant manipulation of markets all epic in 2012...

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:29 | 2059318 john39
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maybe, but I still loved to Mahmud A. and Hugu C. mocking the NWO with their own calls for a new world order this morning.   classic.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 23:10 | 2060531 my puppy for prez
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They did?  Are they planning on running it?  I still wonder sometimes if they are bit actors in the NWO drama somehow.  The "hero/villian" plot is like out of some cheesy Hollywood flick.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:30 | 2059320 Oh regional Indian
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Although you have to admit Gene that Bone's visualization is a little more visceral.


Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:45 | 2059386 GeneMarchbanks
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Sure, but I care not for the theocracy in modern Persia nor the frantic collectevist of Caracas. Or Putin's vision and the horrors of Asia. Instead of all this sadness, maybe a new citizen of the Earth is born; one who doesn't settle for the convenient and is curious about more than just the simple and immediate. Until then, the beatings continue - domestic or other wise.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:52 | 2059426 AbruptlyKawaii
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would you call an italian born in florence roman?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:11 | 2059513 GeneMarchbanks
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My point was: I care about the IsreAmerican anglo-fascist imperialism about as much as I care about domestic tribalism. Which is not at all.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:57 | 2059452 john39
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no government is perfect...   but, consider the threats that these three countries have faced from the global cartel for years...  what defensive actions would you take to try stop them from pulling a libya?  In the U.S. the take over was easy, in part because of the way our system is run.  Control the masses (through a variety of covert and explicit means) and you control the government.   Easily done.  What some consider authoritarian measures in Venezuala for example, could alternatively been viewed as defensive...   who really has the peoples' interest at heart?  not sure I know, but I know who doesn't...

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:36 | 2059348 BoNeSxxx
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No dispute here Gene...

Point is that (for whatever reason) I am generally pleased when the few countries that keep their sovereignty and thwart the advances of the IMF/World Bank/UN have minor victories -- whether on pupose or whether due to an 'Inspector Clouseau' moment by the US or EZ.

It's pathetic really... more a testiment to how far the US has slid vs. an endorsement of Iran or Venezuela per se.


/edit to add a golf clap for ORI.  Nice.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:04 | 2059454 GeneMarchbanks
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'It's pathetic really... more a testiment to how far the US has slid vs. an endorsement of Iran or Venezuela per se.'

Fine. Be that as it may, I wish people would find another alternative. US is out of allies to buy and illusions of superiority to sell.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:06 | 2059490 xela2200
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The lesson from the Euro is that one currency leads to lose of sovereignty. Lesson learn. I am ready to fight the Amero.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:19 | 2059548 GeneMarchbanks
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Close but no cigar. The lesson is that you cannot apply a one-size-fits-all economic dogma on a culturally diverse population that doesn't have similar notions of "value". It works in America because they all worship at the same alter: FRBNY. Aside from that all other Anglo-fanaticism is small potatoes including those people who believe Moses slayed velociraptors. See Alex Brown @DB.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:32 | 2059328 HedgeAccordingly
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Margin CALL -

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:47 | 2059403 frostfan
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No need to go to Nigeria.  The media has no problem reporting imaginary pipelines blowing up without checking anything to justify raising the price of oil just like they did back in 2007. 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:15 | 2059233 CompassionateFascist
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No surprise. The window for the Iran War always was c. July-September. Everyone involved knows it's going to an epic disaster. Gallipoli x 100. But what ZOG wants, ZOG gets.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:23 | 2059281 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Or this is rhetoric and the move is made to allow money to buy oil one last time before a false flag starts WWIII.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:27 | 2059305 EscapeKey
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Yeah, that's what my cynic mind thought of as well.

That, plus, "I wonder who shorted oil an hour ago". Large commercial institutions, no doubt.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:54 | 2059390 ebworthen
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Draghi on phone with Lloyd Blankfein:  "Lloyd my friend, do you have our shorts lined up?"

Blankfein:  "Have you got your magnum of champagne chilled?"

Draghi:  "Yes, and two special friends to share it with."

Blankfein:  "Only two?  You need me to send you some of my little blue pills?"

Draghi:  "I don't need that cazzate and you know it, remember that night in Monte Carlo with that flotilla of Ukrainian bitches?  Two to your one if you remember amico."

Blankfein: <cackling laughter> "You dog!  I'd been up all night the night before with Paulson and Dimon."

Draghi:  "Hold on, let me switch on the party line with Merkel and Sarkozy, wonder what that trollop does for fun?"

Blankfein:  "Wait, wait, don't hit the switch yet...she's either into horses or petite brunettes" <cackle, cackle, cackle>

Draghi:  <gurgling laughter>  "My money is on the horses." <flicks switch>

Draghi:  "Angela? Nicolas?  Yes...I have Lloyd on the other line...the shorts are set...are you ready to make the announcement?"

Merkel:  "Jå"

Sarkozy:  "Oui"

Draghi:  "Fabulous!  Make the press release.  Our little brown friend in the Colonies won't be too happy, but it looks like those wily conservatives have arranged to get him re-elected so don't cry any crocodile tears for the little prince, eh?"

Blankfein:  <cackle, cough, wheeze, cackle>  "It's in the bag either way Dragh old buddy, Romneys in my left pocket."

Draghi:  <chuckle, snort>  "Salute!  Felicitazióni!"

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:03 | 2059477 blu
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Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:16 | 2059236 Randall Cabot
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Iran will have built their own nukes by then to go with the ones they bought on the black market: good-bye israel and good riddance.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:06 | 2059491 blu
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Honestly, I don't think Iran will ever have a nuclear weapon payload. Not one and certainly not many. Unless the Chicoms or Rooskiez get in there and handle the entire thing for them, I think they are going to constantly fuck it up.

They might have thought they knew what they were doing at some point, but by now the whole thing is for show and leverage.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:26 | 2059582 Randall Cabot
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That would mean israel starts WWIII...for nothing?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:45 | 2059690 SilverDOG
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For the only one they see... themselves.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:31 | 2059617 Left of Left
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perspective from Paul Craig Roberts new blog (recommended)

Only the blind do not see that the US government is preparing to attack Iran. According to Professor Michel Chossudovsky, “Active war preparations directed against Iran (with the involvement of Israel and NATO) were initiated in May 2003.”

"As the International Atomic Energy Agency’s reports from its inspectors on the ground in Iran have made clear for years, there is no evidence that Iran has diverted any enriched uranium from its nuclear energy program. The shrill hype coming from Washington and from the neoconservative media is groundless."

"Judging by polls Washington’s propaganda that Iran is threatening the US by developing a nuclear weapon has met with success. Half of the American public support a military attack on Iran in order to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear capability. Those of us who are trying to awaken our fellow citizens start from a deficit that the minds of half of the US population are under Big Brother’s control."

and for the Ron Paul supporters....

"The current crop of presidential contenders, except for Ron Paul, represent the controlling interests. War and financial fraud are the only remaining American Values.Will Americans again give the sheen of “democracy” to rule by a few by participating in the coming rigged elections?"

I disagree with Dr Roberts on some issues, but think he is exactly on the mark in his assessment.This is not about nukes, it is about the neocon agenda of world hegemony.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 16:48 | 2059703 blunderdog
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Do you not the see the paradox carried in on the backs of these two sentences?

Only the blind do not see that the US government is preparing to attack Iran. According to Professor Michel Chossudovsky, “Active war preparations directed against Iran (with the involvement of Israel and NATO) were initiated in May 2003.”

Do you think our military has needed 9 years to find Iran on the map?  What could possibly be causing such a long delay?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:00 | 2059769 Randall Cabot
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Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:01 | 2059772 Left of Left
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Might try reading the linked articles before you attempt to dispute factual history with an absurd assumption about finding something on the map. Did the words "neoconservative agenda" trigger your "inner totalitarian" defense mechanism?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:31 | 2059868 blunderdog
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Sorry to admit I may have missed the point of your post.  My point remains: we have been hearing about the imminent attack on Iran for almost a decade.  It is the best example of a "boy cries wolf" news story I'm aware of.

That says nothing about my personal feelings on the issue.  I have no interest in attacking Iran or trying to salvage a dying US hegemony.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:35 | 2059963 Left of Left
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"Sorry to admit I may have missed the point of your post." Ditto! lesson learned, and my apology. There are of course volumes of reasons for why the saber rattlings continue. I offered the perspectives of two very prominent economists. Roberts is the former Reagan Assistant Secretary of the Treasury  and Chusodovsky the Director Of Global Reseach Canada which most would consider far left. I respect and read both daily. There are also many postings on this site which also present valid reasons.....and there are equally as many eager for war. My main point is that I do not believe that nukes have anything to do with this situation.  Petro dollars and maintaining the dollar as reserve currency have everything to do with it. 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:56 | 2060086 blunderdog
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Aha.  Yes, I recall some chatter about an Iran/China pipeline through Afghanistan a few years back--wouldn't be surprised if the area conditions made it difficult to progress on that.  It's certainly always been true that US military mobilization is motivated more by control of resources than absurdities like "human rights" and "international law."

I guess that there's the bright-side to the fact that the past few administrations have run our military into the ground.  We won't be able to bomb *everyone* if the dollar breaks.  Unfortunate that we won't be able to protect territory or project power, but eggs and omelettes and that sort of thing.

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Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:33 | 2060032 CompassionateFascist
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Among other reasons, Pentagon wargamed Iran War in '02. Did not go well. Plus, with Iraq and Afghanistan on the proximate menu, too many wars at once. Now, with Iraq debacle about over and Afghan war winding down to eventual defeat, ZOG is ready to go for broke.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 20:49 | 2060267 Left of Left
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Whether it is "ZOG" or any of the multitude of labels attached, I think it should be clear that what we are dealing with is a global cabal of psychopaths intent on world domination. Whether they are Zionists (I don't dispute it, I just don't know) or "lizards from outerspace" is irrelevant to me. The clear danger these human predators pose to all people is the issue. They have to be stopped and can be easily identified.    

Yes, the wargames were a disaster resulting in the worst (simulated) naval losses since Pearl Harbor. (Hunting for the link) I have no doubt that Iran will fight and it will not be the cakewalk many here imagine. The US has tried to "manufacture consent" and continues to attempt to provoke. Clearly, it has not worked.

I believe you are correct, they are ready to go for broke. China and Russia are the targets. Iran and control of the oil supply is the means both through the Straights of Hormuz and in the South China Sea. But lets not forget economic warfare. 

In the above referenced article, Dr. Roberts details how easily China could wreck the dollar without firing a shot. After all, Wall street deliberately destroyed the western ecomomies. My take is that this is about to be shoved up the cabals collective asses and is when the shooting wars begin, unless we all wake up refuse to submit to the psychopaths three D's....... Divide, Deceive, and Dominate.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 23:00 | 2060513 my puppy for prez
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You are right.  This is about Russia and China.  Iran and Israel are pieces of the puzzle, but the picture one sees when the pieces are neatly fitted together are attempted hegemony over R and C, and the surrounding scenery of a never finished Cold War.

I wish we could have Cold Fusion instead of Cold War!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:15 | 2059241 drink or die
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Delayed closer to presidential election time in the US.  Good idea!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:52 | 2059423 UP Forester
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It ain't called "October Surprise" fer nufiin'....

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