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What Does Gold Know That All Other Asset Classes Don't?

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Presented with little comment as it appears Gold (and Treasuries) are not as ebuliently following the 'Hilsenrathian' path of most ignorance  to NEW QE - as GDP beats, stocks near multi-year highs, and housing recovering on its own just does not seem like the recipe for extreme Bernanke action.

Paradoxically, it would seem any extreme monetary action from the Fed now would mean they absolutely do not trust the macro data that is being spewed to the market every day and surely is the signal that things are a lot worse than anyone thinks.


The USD is weaker, stocks are stronger; but Treasury yields are revrtingh higher and Gold is at the day's lows...



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Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:44 | 2656493 hedgeless_horseman
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Gold calling Bernanke's bluff?  What's the pot at?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:46 | 2656509 Deo vindice
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Gold doesn't "know" anything. It just naturally consistently does what it has always done, which is to be a safe store of wealth through all the natural and manipulated changes of this world.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:50 | 2656515 BaBaBouy
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GOLD is one of the Last Honest Financial Assets available...

We are now Riding On the GOLD $50K Train...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:53 | 2656531 Biggvs
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10-yr yield rising, gold underperforming (in the chart above). Doesn't sound like imminent printing to me. Where is the frontrunning of Fed purchases? What is Hilsenrath up to? Jawboning Europe? More Fed swap lines coming?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:02 | 2656566 gmrpeabody
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"ebuliently following the 'Hilsenrathian' path of most ignorance.."

Ebuliently....? Tyler, you may sit at the front of the class if you wish.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:10 | 2656604 malikai
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There's definitely a rat somewhere. Both of my crude, all FX, and index models are solid locks right now, only gold and eurusd are on the other side of the moon, for now. And it looks like gold and eurusd are beginning to converge again.

Unless something significant fundamentally has changed in the last couple days, only affecting gold and the eurusd cross, look out below folks.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:14 | 2656618 ACP
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The cocksmokers are just running the stops (with our money) in all the indices.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:40 | 2656710 Jack Napier
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We ought to all know by now that the market moves on insider information before we ever get wind of why. This is just more rumor mill. There is no anticipating the next QE. It will happen before we get a chance to react, and it's not going to happen for as long as cheap talk does the job.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:50 | 2656792 flacon
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I have no idea why, but people are piling in on VXX calls.... curious that... :)

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2656826 Turd Ferguson
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C'mon, Tyler, this is bullshit. You know better than this.

Gold is week today because The Gold Cartel is attempting to take it back under 1600 before the close. They may still succeed.

Fuck em either way. They're doomed in the end. 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:27 | 2656980 flacon
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Turd, don't forget that Bernanke, when asked what tools he has left, said that his only remaining tool was "his voice" (paraphrased). (and by the way, Draghi and Bernanke are the same in that regard). Are they going to print to oblivion next week? Perhaps, but perhaps not. Nobody knows, but given that Ben said that his voice is his only tool left... I don't think they will QE next week.... But in the end you are right... there is still the final tool - debt monitization en masse. But is NOW the time? 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:19 | 2657241 The Luftwaffe
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Exactly, the Cartel has been whacking gold and silver all day. They are no longer even trying to hide their now almost daily interventions. I smell desperation and looming comex defaults, but we will need to wait a bit longer for that show to begin.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 16:01 | 2657926 LongBalls
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Just remember. It does not matter what the price of gold does. HANG ON TO IT. Are we returning to a gold standaard? Not the people. But the Central Banks are. Don't let price manipulation move your conviction. THIS IS A FACT. SEEK THE TRUTH AND YOU SHALL FIND.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:07 | 2656595 markar
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treasury yields went up during QE. Look at the charts.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:16 | 2656629 1000pips
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Gold is overpriced.  Better watch out.  Their about to run this market through the roof!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:48 | 2656784 flacon
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What is the PRICE of gold measured in? What is price anyway?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:24 | 2656978 silvermaister
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It is truee BUY SILVER !!!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:54 | 2657135 lasvegaspersona
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I find it difficult to believe anyone who does not know the three their, there, they're ers.

Sat, 07/28/2012 - 02:27 | 2658650 1000pips
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u must teach english?  gold has gone No Where for the last 10's not a religion, it's a metal.  Only good for trading daily now.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:12 | 2656611 Anne Ominous
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Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:42 | 2656495 Paul Atreides
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You didn't build that chart

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:45 | 2656503 SilverTree
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The PPT & ESF did.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:57 | 2656553 Dr. Richard Head
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If one did not succeed in their business on their own, can we blame the failures of companies on the government too?  Works both ways if the Obama theory is true, no?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:40 | 2656739 PiratePawpaw
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"If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your doorstep"


Obama Translation: "Because the world beat a path to your doorstep, You built a better mousetrap"

Methinks Obama is Bass-ackwards.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:13 | 2657222 TheAntiBen
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"You didn't dig that gold.  Shoot, you didn't even make that gold worth more money.  The government [uh, uh] the government made your gold worth more when I printed more money.  And now... And now, [audience cheers]... That's right, and now it's your turn to give some of 'dat gold back, to pay your fair share back, back to the government for helping you [uh make [uh] your-gold-worth-more-money..." [Obama - future speech.]

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:45 | 2656504 Dr. Engali
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Gold knows it's being suppressed.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:55 | 2656541 EscapeKey
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The Fed only manipulates the FX markets, sovereign bond markets, asset based securities markets, and have equity market "protection" mechanisms in place to PROTECT YOU - see, it's for YOUR OWN GOOD!

All talk of them manipulating precious metals is CLEARLY CONSPIRACY THEORY, and you label yourself as a TINFOIL HAT WEARING LUNATIC by even suggesting it!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:02 | 2656568 Dr. Engali
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Gold lined tin foil hat...thank you very much.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:13 | 2656614 malikai
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I may be mistaken, but weren't the Apollo spacecraft lined with gold foil?


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:08 | 2656586 Ghordius
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+1 protection at no price! -> progress!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:26 | 2656673 Al Huxley
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Imagine - the very thought tha gold price could be manipulated!  Sure, it turns out they did manipulate LIBOR, but I believe that was all shown to be altruistically motivated, just to 'protect the system', and I believe there was some issue around concealed and under-reported losses by JPM related to some CIO or other, but I'm pretty sure that was just oversight, and anyway they're going to get it back so it's all good.  And granted there's been some confusion around the whole mark-to-market concept in the financial industry and their 'assets' but other than these little tiny discrepancies (oh, and a few odd 'flash-crashes' from the whole HFT thing) the financial industry, governmenta and central banks have been paragons of virtue and honesty.  So given the evidence, I don't see how ANYBODY could suspect that gold is manipulated. I mean, why bother manipulating gold, what could possibly be in it for the FED, the Central banks, the FIs, etc...?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:00 | 2657165 lasvegaspersona
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Al Hux

Last week fofoa spent some time discussing the way the very exixtence of a paper gold market supresses the gold price. Good read even if you are not a full, "all in" freegolder. As long as the paper market exist we will have gold that is not at its full economic potential. Eventually, once we have a physical only market gold will resume its role of wealth preservation over time. We will see then that it has always done so. The gold in European castles and in the bowels of the BIS will still just sit there....being gold...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:29 | 2656687 FeralSerf
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Volcker must be a tinfoil hat wearing lunatic too.

"That day the U.S. announced that the dollar would be devalued by 10 percent. By switching the yen to a floating exchange rate, the Japanese currency appreciated, and a sufficient realignment in exchange rates was realized. Joint intervention in gold sales to prevent a steep rise in the price of gold, however, was not undertaken. That was a mistake." -- Paul Volcker, Nikkei Weekly 2004

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:46 | 2656507 fonzannoon
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Either gold is just getting hammered down just for fun or it knows the truth. QE ain't coming.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:49 | 2656518 LULZBank
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Where does the Gold's fundamentals fit in?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2656803 Ghordius
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gold's fundamentals? easy: it's the greatest and oldest of all ponzi schemes, since it's introduction in what was called Asia Minor (modern Turkey) by a King called Midas, son of Gordius (careful there, lots of myths aroud this) that just found out that meteoritic iron was too valuable for tools and weapons to be wasted as money. He stood on top of a very good gold mine (this makes him a classic liar) and propagated that he would exchange gold against iron at a fixed term (the first monetary market maker). So he was able to leverage his valuable iron (that wasn't mined - the technology was not yet there) with gold. The first (leveraged) Central Banker. Of course, being the first ponzi scheme, chances are very, very good that it will be the last to fall.

by the way, this had several consequences, including the modifications to the economy of Sparta (that continued to use iron even after you could mine it, making is quite worthless) and the first currency war between Asia and Europe, when Athens started to use it's silver mines.

in short: gold has no fundamentals, it's just money since quite a while...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:55 | 2657139 Likstane
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nice random boldface

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:10 | 2657207 Jim in MN
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That would be a great user name: Random Boldface.

Sat, 07/28/2012 - 05:07 | 2658699 Ghordius
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eh? don't get it. random thoughts? Rand O.M. Boldface

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:36 | 2656726 HD
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This is why my chest hurts. You can no longer trust any metric. Does gold know there is no QE? Is gold being openly manipulated down in front of QE? You can't base decisions on price action at all - it only about a constant state of "what if"...

The central planners may have beaten me here - if Ben announces an open ended QE, I'm out. Won't be able to short or go long - only algos will play in a tighter and tighter range until...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:48 | 2656772 Jack Napier
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Why even bother with metrics? We all know the end game. If everybody on this site would stop humping derivatives all day, paper chasing ever devaluing currency and giving play money to the manipulators, and instead buy physical gold and silver this charade would be over already. Stackers FTW.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:42 | 2656749 PiratePawpaw
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I just asked my gold...

It said "Patience Grasshopper"

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:44 | 2656762 scatterbrains
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Gold knows the truth. They don't dare print 3 months ahead of the elections and trigger new all time highs in gasoline prices just as folks are jumping in their cars heading to the ballot boxes.. not going to happen.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:53 | 2656802 Jack Napier
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Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:12 | 2656905 Moe Howard
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I concur.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:47 | 2656512 SmoothCoolSmoke
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BS pump continues. Must. Get. To. Olympics. (so MA and Pa Fourohonekay will be distracted for a month)

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:48 | 2656513 akak
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And this blinkered, ultra-short-term analysis means exactly .... what?

Is RobotLemming now submitting articles on ZH?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:50 | 2656517 SWCroaker
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Next "round" *must* have some sort of surprise factor.   Simple print of money, and given to....????..... banks again?  Holders of junk Treasuries???   ... simply isn't worth the effort.   Must have SHOCK leading to AWE.


Perhaps something coordinated, between most of the major CBs?  A pan-western stabilization "fund" that provides low-interest loans to members in need (EU countries, US states, systemically significant pension funds and entitilement plans?) for decades to come?  Something that moves closer to a CFR-ish collective world financial body?


Interesting to see whether the non-club members, non-Western countries, will sit idly by; or what behind the scenes price was/is being paid for their complacency.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:52 | 2656528 Dr. Engali
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You mean a world currency. Not yet, not till it all falls apart.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:50 | 2656521 LULZBank
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Whatever Gold is doing, its not doing it enough.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:51 | 2656523 -1Delta
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and we wonder why corn futures are higher....


food inflation will be a problem

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:16 | 2656624 malikai
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A problem for who? The little people?


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:22 | 2656656 -1Delta
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actually the refining industry.... talk about turning in the RIN credits...



Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:51 | 2656526 Ratscam
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Any comments on this pair trade "long platinum - short gold"?

The ratio is at 1.15, last reached back in 1985. A delta of USD 206.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:57 | 2656555 adamas
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be cautious.... it appears an easy play BUT, platinum is increasingly industrial (negative) and Gold is increasingly monetary (positive) , if mega QE is foisted on the world Gold will be the primary beneficiary, ahead of other PM's 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:04 | 2656576 Ratscam
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thanks, what I do not get is that it is much more rare than gold and 70% is produced in South Africa where all companies have shut down several producing plants. Then again these markets are fuxxed up. I agree on mega QE giving gold a better advantage than the other PMs. The heck I'll just go long 10% PLT.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:27 | 2656677 magpie
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I only buy it because it leaves a tax trail.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:58 | 2656828 Jack Napier
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Gold beat the pants off of platinum in 70's bull market. Platinum is rare, should be worth more, but gold is money, and nothing else. As in, gold is nothing but money (and jewelry, JPM isn't omniscient or anything). Silver is money too as a dual role industrial metal, but platinum is strictly industrial.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:38 | 2656733 Arcturus
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The GSR is an often looked at indicator. The higher it goes the more bearish on the PM's generally. The gold/platinum ratio is one I know little about but it seems upside down to me and may turn out to be an excellent play in the long run,

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:57 | 2656556 fuu
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Trav was a fan of it.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:34 | 2656716 Al Huxley
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It looks like a bad version of the 'long gold miners short gold' trade.  Not that I'm advocating 'long miners short gold' per se, but if you look at the platinum to hui ratio its near the top of a long-term trading range and trending down. 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2656819 FeralSerf
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If you like platinum because of its price ratio to gold, you should love silver.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:02 | 2656846 Jack Napier
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Indeed. Silver is the investment of a lifetime. It's been used up at an alarming pace, and even the historical GSR of 17:1 pales to the mining ratios we have today, only 7x more silver than gold now. That's aside from the above ground supply of which silver is more rare than gold. If gold is remonetized silver will follow, but if the paper manipulation ends silver will lead.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:53 | 2656534 Stuart
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powers to be cannot let gold make a run, not now, not ever.  They will eventually lose, but not for a lack of trying. 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:55 | 2656540 johnQpublic
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housing recovering on its own....ha!

i was in the poconos yesterday looking for a (foreclosed and cheap) lakefront house

and i can tell, the poconos is turning into a ghetto

30-50% of the houses are abandoned or in foreclosure and are in serious disrepair

cars with broken windows in the drives, some with blankets over the broken windows ,just for a start to that ghetto look

formerly middle class vacation mecca looks like downtown philly, or buffalo ny, just with more trees

a testament to the broken dreams of middle america

cheapest i found was 6k

wasnt worth it

when you kill the power in a damp sump pump equals black mold coating every exposed surface

banks still need to take huge mark to market hit, and there needs to be a demolition and rebuilding of not only the housing overhang but the policies that created it

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:06 | 2656874 HarryM
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Years ago , low income families from Brooklyn fled to the Poconos where they could actually afford to buy something, and to escape their crime-ridden ghettos.

In the end ,ironically, the ghettos were moved from Brooklyn to sections of the Poconos.

Many sections of Brooklyn that were ghettos, have now regentrified .

Rents go up, forcing more lower income people out, and what was once a death spiral , reverses.

I remember when corrupt real estate agents would engage in the practice of what was known as "Block Busting".

They would place low income (prererably black) families in solid white neighborhoods, which back then would immediatley lower the home values, in order to stimulate sales of homes.

The Realtors reaped huge profits as entire neighborhoods changed hands.

The whites then moved to the suburbs to escape the crime taking plave in their old neighborhoods.

Hence the expression "There goes the neighborhood"

The lessons are painful and plentiful.


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:18 | 2656934 francis_sawyer
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That's horrible!... I think we all need to learn how to live together... The first step is to completely IGNORE these types of things that have happened & focus on skittles, unicorns, & unity...

Let's all join hands & pray that we can find the right leaders to shepherd us towards this noble goal... I'm pretty sure that politicians, bankers, & media are the best places to look for capable leadership... It's time to throw 100% support into that arena while stifiling any dissent...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:29 | 2657004 silvermaister
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Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:45 | 2657083 francis_sawyer
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sho nuf!

another confirmed exercise in 'bi-polarity'...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:31 | 2657273 Arius
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"Let's all join hands & pray that we can find the right leaders to shepherd us towards this noble goal... I'm pretty sure that politicians, bankers, & media are the best places to look for capable leadership... It's time to throw 100% support into that arena while stifiling any dissent..."

@ Francis_sawyer

you did not built (scratch) come up your self with that idea ... i am all for it ... VIVA the media!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 14:39 | 2657689 francis_sawyer
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If it weren't for the media & their agenda, I wouldn't even have a clue how to think... I might have to refer back to all the things I was taught in the public education system ~ surely therein lies all knowledge that a good citizen needs to function in today's free society...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:19 | 2656936 moondog
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Downtown Buffalo is slowly digging out of the post-industrial hole through biomedical and life sciences.

....and the Bills signed Super Mario!!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 14:59 | 2657776 francis_sawyer
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Yeah ~ what the world surely needs more of right now are biomedical PHd's, life science gurus, & defensive ends... & less corn & rice growers, or migrant workers...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:56 | 2656547 GERxit
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"Maybe" Gold's manipulated down ?!

Keep on buyin while it's still low :-)

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 10:58 | 2656558 LoneStarHog
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July 26 Comex August gold options expiry
July 26 Comex August copper options expiry
July 27 Comex August miNY gold futures last trading day
July 27 Comex July gold futures last trading day
July 27 Comex July silver futures last trading day
July 27 Comex July copper futures last trading day
July 27 Comex August miNY gold futures last trading day
July 27 Comex August E-mini copper futures last trading day
July 31 Comex August gold futures first notice day
July 31 Comex August copper futures first notice day

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:00 | 2656560 Haager
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My theory would be that EUR/USD will be pushed higher and that gold, silver are suppressed to follow that way. And I assume that fits - to some extend - to oil as well.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:00 | 2656562 lsbumblebee
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Unfortunately for the Crime Families, gold is not dependent on hints of more QE for a high. Fiat currency is continually debased anyway.

It must be really tiresome manipulating the Comex day after day after day. But I guess they have nothing else to do.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:03 | 2656574 GERxit
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I like that kind of manipulation as I can keep on buying at depressed prices... who needs more?


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:24 | 2656667 lsbumblebee
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Wouldn't you rather have a free market? How about an even playing field?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:00 | 2656841 FeralSerf
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I would rather have honest politicians and leaders too.  But I don't think I'll live long enough to see it happen.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:03 | 2656573 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Gold knows that fiat is inflating ad infinum due to the fact that it has, and never has had, any intrinsic value.  Fiat does not store wealth, and is in a constant decrease in price for that reason.  Add tens of trillions ctrl + P every year, and you can see why asset prices are deflating.

Bears say deflation is right around the corner.  Lest they forgot we saw some of the most massive inflation in '07-'09 culminating in the Fall of '08.  And then what did the Central Planners do?  They bailed the sinking ship out and they are still bailing to this day. 

They have been "printing" and rehypothecating on leverage unimaginable for four years now!  Four years!  Factor in the fiat currency and that it is the weakest "asset" and what do you get?  You get a constantly increasing price to all other asset prices in nominal terms.

This does not mean asset prices will not hit bumps in the road, nor does it mean some assets aren't over valued.  But it does mean that in the end, price will rise until price can not be determined, because fiat is not a measure of value and therefore nothing can be measured by it.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:07 | 2656592 GERxit
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Gold / fiat = price; with fiat going to 0...

Where is this shitty "I LIKE" button when you once need it???

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:11 | 2656605 ParkAveFlasher
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Mr. LH, I bought 10 1oz NZ silver turtles on your day of atonement.  Trying to teach my 2-year old son what money is, and the coins with animals on them are also useful in that regard. 

Then we went boating, and I lost them all.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:16 | 2656628 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Your boy will grow up to be like you - a smart man.  As for the boating accident, it happens to the best of us.  Why PM bulls like to go boating with their silver, lord knows, but we do.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:27 | 2656679 fuu
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Playing pirate?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:47 | 2656765 Karlus
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There has always been a strong coorelation between boating accidents and gold. Sometimes, in order to prevent boating accidents, pirates would take pre-emptive action to bury their gold in great secrecy (you never want to be the guy to get selected to "help" the pirate captain) and create a map. This created a 2nd type of accident, but just as impactful, of the lost pirate map accident.

It seems like mere men like us were never meant to possess gold, but we cannot halt our compulsion with buying it.

<Sigh> All gold seeks to return to the bottom of the lake.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:23 | 2656970 francis_sawyer
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Rumor has it that if you buy the ones with the turtles on them & lose em in a boating accident, they'll swim back to shore...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:56 | 2657140 ParkAveFlasher
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thx - will look out next time I'm in the Pocono's. 

Does that mean I CAN eat the ones with buffalos on them?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:47 | 2656781 PiratePawpaw
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Thats how I lost mine.....and the guns.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:35 | 2656723 malikai
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On my daughter's first birthday, we put her on the bed, placed a british soverign, some yuan notes, a laptop, a little guitar, and some other things I can't remember on the bed (the theory is that the kid will choose his/her life passion this way). I am proud(scared) to say she went right for the gold.

She got to keep the soverign, and I use them as her "future savings".

Well, I did use them as her future savings, until I tried to teach her how to fish recently, and we too had a most unfortunate boating accident.

Fortunately we're both very good swimmers.


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:04 | 2656579 tuttisaluti
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I think gold had 5 waves up und is now consolidating before the next up move to about 1670

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:05 | 2656583 kito
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look at the almighty dow....a hair under 13g................qe fools will be slammed soon enough..................

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:07 | 2656594 ParkAveFlasher
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One last monkey hammer before hopping in the Merc and heading out the Long Island Expressway (locally known as the LIE) to the Hamptons, to jerk off on the beach for a spell. 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:14 | 2657221 Jim in MN
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What kind of spell do you cast that w--oh.  Never mind....

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:08 | 2656597 dwdollar
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Fri, 07/27/2012 - 20:39 | 2658374 SILVERGEDDON

Outbreaks of paatriotic fervor usually precede the comments of my most trusted financial advisor, the Robot Trader. Mister reverse psychology master of disaster. I always wait for his words of wisdom - and just do the exact opposite ! Robot Trader for President ! Has a nice ring to it...................

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:09 | 2656603 RobotTrader
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King World News "acclaimed experts" got it totally backasswards.


Gold looks like it wants to tank, mining stocks blowing up all over the place, and U.S. stocks are in the midst of an Epic Meltup.

No wonder Jim Rickards bailed out of that blog early, he was the only smart one who knew those KWN headlines were getting ridiculous.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:13 | 2656612 Ratscam
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How are your Facebook shares doing?

Just saying .

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:15 | 2656621 akak
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You mean Faceplant?  Or Faceberg?

I think they might be the same stock.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:24 | 2656977 francis_sawyer
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It's blobbing down at the moment...

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:13 | 2656615 akak
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Careful lemming, I hear that driving while constantly fixated on the rear-view mirror can be bad for one's car insurance rates.

Oh, and do tell us all again about the blowtorching your favorite stocks of Netflix, Lululemon and Faceberg have gotten this year.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:45 | 2656771 Al Huxley
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Yep, gold getting 'blowtorched' only up .1%.  And meanwhile, FB and SBUX are 'well off their lows, well off their lows'. 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:06 | 2656877 Bay of Pigs
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Nothing wrong with gold at all Robo. The miners have been decimated, so what you say on that is accurate. 

Avoiding to address your own bad calls while ripping others makes you the worst hypocritical cherry picking motherfucker I've ever seen.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:12 | 2656609 sschu
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Paradoxically, it would seem any extreme monetary action from the Fed now would mean they absolutely do not trust the macro data that is being spewed to the market every day and surely is the signal that things are a lot worse than anyone thinks.

The conundrum of the monetarist is front and center.  How do we "ignite" this economy which has a dead battery, empty gas tank, faulty brakes and missing tires.  We can fill the tank, but we tried that before and it all leaked out and the car has not moved an inch and continues to rust.  

There are no good options right now, we are politically paralyzed and the only hope is a change in leadership in January ... and this change is not certainly and maybe less reassuring.  Political stalemate seals our doom.

Thanks Bam and Bennie, you had a chance to really make a name for yourself, but made it all a lot worse.  Your departure could not happen too soon for me, even if the options are what they are, pretty lame.


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:20 | 2656645 Tuco Benedicto ...
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What gold knows is that it is manipulated constantly.  T. D., I think you posted an article a while back regarding how shorting gold on the U. S. open was a great trade.  Apparently, things have not changed.  When they finally do QE3 "at an emergency fed meeting" for effect, Osama will be killed yet again and gold and silver will tank.  Book it Danno!

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:14 | 2656619 Venerability
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And once again: Some entity, this time almost certainly in the Citi Nexus, is in precarious straits with an over-leveraged Short Euro and probably Short Gold position.

But Gold's proponents are by this time both antsy and angry.

The World needs a coordinated growth initiative, with the US participating alongside Europe, Japan, and China.

Euro and Gold Shorts - let alone, Silver Shorts, which essentially means JPM - are being told to scurry into hiding over the next very few trading days.

Meanwhile, I would expect some sort of fortress is being built around the Citi-linked baby fund in trouble, because they really do not want another Peregrine so close to the last one.




Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:17 | 2656930 avidtango
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The last thing the World needs is "Coordinated growth".   That implies a common ground  between nations with opposing goals.  The West & Japan must have a system that allows unending debt buildup without consequences.  China & friends want a system in which other will buy their goods with real money.  The others - poor SOBs -  wants  a system that allows them to live beyond their means forever like the West. World planning is simply another form of central planning with economic decisions replaced by political ones.

Planned schemes (gov't programs) are always costly, poorly managed, inefficient and eventually bankrupt because decisions are made for political and not economic reasons. No one is allowed to fail - company or nation - so no one ever learns the timeless moral:  You can't live beyond your means forever.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:15 | 2656622 sablya
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The market used to be "forward-looking" but now it is simply myopic.  It only looks forward to the next fix.  Earnings, debt, none of that stuff even matters any more.  The market can't even see past the immediate to the fact that QE is like caffeine for a man who hasn't slept.  It works well when you missed a little sleep, but it does less and less the longer you haven't slept.  Eventually you get to the point where it does nothing at all.  And finally, when you're so exhausted from lack of sleep, caffeine can kill you because your heart can't take the stimulation.  Doesn't anyone running this show have the least bit of common sense?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:25 | 2656670 akak
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Beautiful analogy!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:41 | 2656746 malikai
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I think they've realized that when caffeine doesn't work, methamphetamine does. This explains a lot about the market.

Have you ever seen the movies "Spun" or "The Salton Sea"?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:55 | 2656815 Winston of Oceania
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I hear you can get a bargain on a lot with gas/water/sewer already installed... Good fishing too!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:59 | 2656836 avidtango
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The situation you described is inevitable in an increasingly political economy.  More and more, political pronouncements, FED action and rumor are drivers instead of value. (The enormous BETA correlation.)  The old self-correcting, throwing out the trashh mechanisms that require time to work through the system are seen as politically unpalatable. LOL  I remember in the Bush days when the market topped and the MSM whined that it was a jobless 5%!  W

What gets me are the business folks who freely admit that QE leads us further on the road to perdition but turn around and call for FED and EU action.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:16 | 2656627 Jim in MN
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What gold knows is that is is up 400% since 2005....and these paper 'whatsits' are not.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:17 | 2656632 doc_in_the_house
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has gold peaked @ 1630?

its now @ 1621...i hope its not signaling that the peak in casino has been reached @ spx 1375...i hope there is a lag-phase and spx peaks @ 1385 next week on the draghi news = me short !!

i short covered my spx 1370 shorts (from 2 weeks ago) this Tu = @ 1332 = I FEEL GOOD...been in cash since then..i covered my EUR 1.265 shorts @ 1.2058 on Tu..POSTED HERE IN REAL TIME !! Now EUR is @ 1.236 ....i KEPT my EUR 1.31+ shorts

gimme spx 1385+ and EUR to 1.24 and change = me shooOOOORT !! short on the draghi news next week !!   i covered my shorts this past Tu when i read zero hedge's biderman's GOES SUPER BEARISH....sorry!! LOL !!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:48 | 2656785 avidtango
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I was a daytrader before returning to consulting and still remember the emotions of  options.   I'm older, playing it safer but still spend 1-2% on hedges (QQQ, etc). I'm 80% hedged. I bought Dec QQQ when the market topped and still think it will be a good payoff.   You are playing it correctly - buy NEAR the lows and sell NEAR the highs.  O', convinced that by leap puts on the DOW will pay off big time. Then again, I may be forced to give half to the feds. 

Good Luck


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:10 | 2656895 johny2
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demo trading accounts are fun aren't they?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:20 | 2656641 Hannibal
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Paper gold shorts must be sweating bullets!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:44 | 2656756 TideFighter
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Gold tanked over $300. It is amazing to see bugz thinking TPTB can't do it again, while bitching about constant money printing. They can and will do it again and again, until your end of your timeline, thus your survival rate, drops to zero. 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:53 | 2656804 jimmyjames
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Gold tanked over $300. It is amazing to see bugz thinking TPTB can't do it again, while bitching about constant money printing.


If you actually had even half a clue-you would understand it's not about money printing and it never has been--it certainly has to do with increasing the supply of money though-but first you need to do some study and find out-

What is money?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:32 | 2657019 TideFighter
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First of all, my comment was directed at bugz (not me). I read your posts, you haven't a fucking clue about anything, so why comment, troll.  Your timeline will undoubtedly be defined as a "first rounder", a deer-in-the-lights. And...I don't learn from (1) beginners, (2) pretenders, or (3) trolls.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:36 | 2657035 jimmyjames
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And...I don't learn from (1) beginners, (2) pretenders, or (3) trolls


Try me and find out what it feels like to get your nose dipped in your own shit-

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:37 | 2657311 TideFighter
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I'm laughing so hard I almost puked. You...knowing what money is?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Still laughing. Keep trying. #1 Troll Bait is a long way off and

your amazingly short on skills. 

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:40 | 2657334 jimmyjames
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I'm laughing so hard I almost puked. You...knowing what money is?


I knew you had nothing to backup you're drivel-


Wed, 08/01/2012 - 10:06 | 2668454 MeelionDollerBogus
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Agreed - you have drivel and shit spilling from your lips - you know nothing.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:53 | 2656805 Arcturus
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Less than a 20% drop is tanking? It sounds more like a correction to me. It has now consolidated and is back on its trajectory.



Wed, 08/01/2012 - 10:05 | 2668447 MeelionDollerBogus
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Gold didn't tank over 300. I think you can't read a chart.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:51 | 2656798 Peter K
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The only reason now for QE is to juice up the Obamadisaster's re-election hopium:)

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 11:53 | 2656808 bhakta
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I still trust gold over and above all other so-called assets. 100% the price is being manipulated by the banksters, but what isn't?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:03 | 2656860 Red Heeler
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Gold knows it was here before all of those other asset classes and it knows it will be here long after they're all gone.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:04 | 2656870 fonzannoon
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Next week when Bernak passes on QE and Merkel says Germany won't commit it should be a good week in the markets.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:08 | 2656883 miker
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They can't let Spain default.  The cascade in Europe would be so huge it would take the Euro down.  They don't give a shit about Spain per se, they care about it's effect on the rest of European debt.

I still say a coordinated CB effort is in the works.  The general consensus is that Europe is pulling down the world.   Actually, a better way to look at it is that most economies are near stall speed and thus Europe's drag is risking everyone stalling out.

Europe has to print (however they disguise it) to support Spanish debt.  Yea, yea, I know Italy is bad and Portugal too, but first they deal with Spain; front and center. 

With a coordinated easing, the German's will have to accept the ECB move.  THey will be told to shut up and eat it or risk the entire currency collapsing.  That really is what we're talking about here.  Not some nice clean default.  Once Spanish debt is left unsupported, the whole system goes down. 


Tue, 07/31/2012 - 22:38 | 2667331 MeelionDollerBogus
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2011 sep 06 gold flash crash full overlays | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Central banks collaborate to steal, not save people. Everything you see that's not stealing is just illusion or accidental side-effects.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:20 | 2656948 Moe Howard
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Do you that there are some automobiles out there that only lose 54% of their value after you buy them? Shelby GT for example. Sort of like facebook.

I stick to gold and silver.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 12:39 | 2657052 Never One Roach
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My house is down 38% and still falling...the GLD I bought several years ago is now up over 200%.


How Barbaric is that!

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 13:50 | 2657407 Haager
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Could someone please take a look at NZD, ISK, PLN compared to USD, EUR, JPY? Explanations?

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 14:01 | 2657477 SAT 800
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A one day chart has no meaning; Therefore it cannot be commented on. Disclosure; Long Dec. '12 Silver from $27.0875.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 15:33 | 2657858 W10321303
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Does gold float? The Narciscistic Sociopaths know that B*LL**IT and Funny Money float.....

Severe U.S. Thunderstorms Threatening Ozone Layer  A new study is warning intense summer thunderstorms are posing a major threat to the ozone layer. Scientists at Harvard University found strong thunderstorms are sending water deep into the stratosphere, setting off ozone-depleting reactions with chemicals that remain from the now-banned cooling gases known as chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs. The study warns that the ozone layer could suffer more damage should global warming unleash ongoing intense storms. Ozone is key to survival on earth, protecting people, animal and crops from the ultraviolet rays of the sun. The study is said to be one of the first to draw a deep link between ozone loss and climate change. On Thursday, a fierce storm tore through areas of the northeastern United States, knocking out power to more than 200,000 homes and businesses.  ( This SCIENTIFIC evidence was first spoken about by Dr. Jeff Masters at last year. "Climate Change's FIRST nasty little surprise. 3. Tipping elements and risks of greatest significance within
early 21st century time-scales
3.1 Key impacts of tipping points within 21st century
3.1.1 Identification of key impacts .................................................................................26 3.2 Impacts of projected sea level rise associated with tipping
3.2.1 Sea level changes and scenario definition ...........................................................26
3.2.2 Estimates of population and assets exposed to global sea level rises of
0.15 and 0.5 m.....................................................................................................27
3.2.3 Impact of NE USA Regional SLR Anomaly ..........................................................33
3.2.4 Insurance and finance implications in NE USA ....................................................34 Can you melt the stuff down and eat it? "So Remember, Remember, REMMBER!, when the weather gets ROUGH, you may say to yourself, What is happening to my skin?, where is that protection that I needed.....Talking Heads
Fri, 07/27/2012 - 19:41 | 2658304 BigInJapan
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Tue, 07/31/2012 - 22:06 | 2667230 MeelionDollerBogus
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well, in all fairness it has come back before. Not that humans will survive a severe loss. ON the other hand CFCs have been out of production for some time. My worry-level on this is maybe 3 of 10, 10 being "aw shit we are just so damn fucked"

Sat, 07/28/2012 - 01:12 | 2658620 Bansters-in-my-...
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Gold knows Bernanke is a FuckTard.

Sat, 07/28/2012 - 14:24 | 2659182 Temporalist
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Gold doesn't know how to swim.

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