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When All Else Fails, Change The Math: Japan To Fudge GDP Calculation, Will Add Up To 2% To GDP

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Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:27 | 1955515 GeneMarchbanks
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Harikiri, bitchez!

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:35 | 1955551 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Starring- Yoshihiko Noda

It's Alive!

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:42 | 1955586 GeneMarchbanks
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Noda ... for now.

See Kyle Bass' Japanese Finance Ministers Index for more details...

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:53 | 1955625 iDealMeat
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OT:  Sorry to thread jack..

Why Rod Blagojevich got 14 Years today.


Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:57 | 1955635 redpill
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Pretend Economics, it's the 21st Century way!

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:05 | 1955659 sqz
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I'm surprised sovereigns don't DVA their sovereign debt and add it into GDP... They are missing a trick from their own banks!

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:07 | 1955669 JustObserving
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We have pretend money - so why not carry that pretense a bit further. What harm can that do? Bernanke can always print everyone a million if needed.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 16:23 | 1955934 FEDbuster
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More doublespeak from the Ministry of Truth (and Numbers).

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:08 | 1955672 JustObserving
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Sorry dup

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:20 | 1955719 Strider52
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Ann Barnhardt said it best (sorry if you guys already caught this, it's 6 days old)

Ann Barnhardt: Well that is the point of this. We are now living in a lawless, Marxist, Communist, usurped, what used to be a representative republic but is no more. This is no longer a nation of laws. This has now transformed into a nation of men. It doesn’t matter what crime you commit. In the case of Jon Corzine, this man has stolen in excess of a billion dollars. I think by the time it is all panned out it is going to be closer to $3 billion of customer funds that he stole. Why did he do it? Is he stupid? Well, of course he’s not stupid. This is a former head of Goldman Sachs. This man doesn’t have a low IQ per se. Why in the world would a man wake up in the morning one day and say you know what, I think I am going to steal all the customer seg funds in this FCM that I’m running, which is the biggest FCM in the country. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. No. Why would a man like that even engage in a nefarious plot like this? Because he knew going into it he could get away with it. And the reason he could get away with it is he is in tight with the Obama regime. He is one of Obama’s highest fundraisers. Earlier this year Jon Corzine had a fundraiser dinner at his New York City apartment for Barack Obama where it was charged at $35,000 a plate. Okay? He bundled high six figures for Obama in one evening! He is a crony of the regime. This is Marxist Communism. There is no rule of law.

Lawless. Ain't it the truth? Complete transcript of Ann:


Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:46 | 1955588 LouisDega
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And also starring Raymond Perry Mason ironside Burr

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:38 | 1955566 tempo
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the biggest story is that BOA has moved its $77 trillion derivative investment to its banking arm. Under a 2005 admendment to the bankruptcy law, losses from derivative trading have priority claims over customer deposits (MF Global deposits go to JP Morgan) in the event of a banking failure. A 5% loss on BOA derivatives will blow up all financials and allow the US Government to control/claim all cash, bond, equity investments making the FDIC/SIPC guarantees meaningless. Thats the threat that will force Germany to fund the ECB.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:48 | 1955610 jdelano
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If this is accurate could you please link to the law?    

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:51 | 1955619 EscapeKey
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Denninger wrote about this yesterday


Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:07 | 1955661 hedgeless_horseman
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BOA has moved its $77 trillion derivative investment to its banking arm...losses from derivative trading have priority claims over customer deposits

Hard to see how BAC's actions are not pre-meditation of and preparation for mass murder.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 18:20 | 1956507 Mentaliusanything
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Correct BAC has seen the future and hedged accordingly and that is why it is beyond urgent to separate "Investment Banks" from "Savings Banks"

You have no insurance if the Insurance company is bankrupt.

But who would have seen it coming ? ----- Answer every one on the inside

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:39 | 1955776 way-out-west
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Can someone smarter than I show us where the language is that allows this?


Text: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-109publ8/html/PLAW-109publ8.htm

PDF: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-109publ8/pdf/PLAW-109publ8.pdf But for the life of me I can't decipher which sections would allow a Bank to "put derivatives before depositors".

Thanks in advance. This forum is the best.


Wed, 12/07/2011 - 16:32 | 1955969 tempo
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The story was carried on www.marketticker.org yesterday and the loss by MF Global deposits being transferred to JP Morgan is also headlined. Its nearly impossible to believe BOA has traded $77 trillion in derivatives. Its just a nightmare.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:04 | 1955656 onebir
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Terrifying & incredible BoA was allowed to do this...

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:12 | 1955695 fonzanoon
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I believe that BoA is being fought on this topic by the FDIC and has notg actually done it.....yet.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:29 | 1955743 EscapeKey
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FDIC rejecting the request of a big bank?


Wed, 12/07/2011 - 17:49 | 1956395 Ruffcut
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That's alot of fudge. Glad to see this fudge packing industry is doing well.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:26 | 1955516 youngman
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If you can´t beat em....saki em....

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:30 | 1955520 LawsofPhysics
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And why wouldn't they? There is no rule of law anymore, no fraud is prosecuted.  Just another step in the decoupling of all things paper from all things physical.  Boring world indeed.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:50 | 1955617 Divided States ...
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Ever since the end of WW2, the Japanese have become a subservient bunch. They wont care even if the government continues to take them up the ass. Japanese made cars are not as highly renowned anymore. Their only economic advantage left from Japan is the quality of the porn they produced. YAMETE!

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:04 | 1955658 CvlDobd
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But sorting through the censored stuff sucks.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:19 | 1955714 catacl1sm
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BAH! Eastern European porn is where it's at!

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 16:03 | 1955859 Totentänzerlied
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"There is no rule of law anymore"

There never was, it's the Big Lie of republicanism.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:27 | 1955521 PrintingPress
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Can they print fudge?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:33 | 1955544 HedgeAccordingly
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We cant print OIL.. but we can print the dollar's to buy oil with = 200 a bbl - http://hedge.ly/rMEWEC 

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:37 | 1955561 Barnaby
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Germans can. It's called the skid-Mark.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:27 | 1955522 UGrev
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It's called "The Fuk-u-shima fudge, baby!"  Can't win? move the line and laugh to the bank. 

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:27 | 1955523 EscapeKey
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Funny how all these model changes always favour the establishment.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:27 | 1955524 knukles
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"Fiddle about, fiddle about, fiddle about."
          -apologies to the Who

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:27 | 1955527 surf0766
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It has been that way here for years.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:34 | 1955545 GeneMarchbanks
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Since the 90s at least. Tobashi... Standard practice among Japanese corporates.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:28 | 1955528 Cassandra Syndrome
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Rounding error perhaps?....

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:09 | 1955675 SilverIsKing
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Sounds similar to a company that books interest income on bad loans.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:28 | 1955530 SheepDog-One
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Ah so! So EASY! Just flat out make up numbers...why cant the US and Europe just do this? GDP is 6%, unemployment 1.2%, every american is a multi billionaire...FIXED!

Can I get my Nobel in economics now please?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:30 | 1955534 El Viejo
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Nobel prizes have been devalued.



Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:38 | 1955565 CrimsonAvenger
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Sure - we'll mail it to you. Oh, wait - USPS is bankrupt - you'll have to come pick it up.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:30 | 1955531 Sophist Economicus
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Hey, don't knock this.   I just downloaded my bank statement, tweaked a few inputs and am now 4% richer!    Gonna go buy something pretty now, see ya


In case this doesn't work, can somebody call the PEW Research team and send them to my prison cell ....

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:29 | 1955533 El Viejo
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Doesn't China already fudge theirs??

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:47 | 1955602 Barnaby
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Does the Dalai Lama poop saffron?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:59 | 1955640 JustObserving
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Dagong, the Chinese rating agency, claims that we fudge ours by  just 200%.  That leaves a lot of room for the Japanese to upgrade:

"If we exclude the factor of virtual economy, the U.S. actual GDP is about 5 trillion U.S. dollars in 2009, per capita GDP about $ 15,000. Meanwhile, the total domestic consumption was 10.0 trillion U.S. dollars and government expenditure was 4.5 trillion U.S. dollars."


Wed, 12/07/2011 - 15:06 | 1955664 SheepDog-One
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Oh, I see we do already do this...my bad.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:30 | 1955536 Contra_Man
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Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:33 | 1955543 Dr. Engali
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"Expect this experiment in excel spreadsheet modelling to come to a developed banana republic near you very soon".

Hmmmm.... hedonic regression ....seasonal adjustments......excluding food and energy.  We would never have anything like that here.

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:35 | 1955549 Barnaby
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Hey, printing staved off kodoku-shi for an entire generation. What could be the harm?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 14:35 | 1955550 razorthin
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Wow, they just blatantly put out there in plain sight now - all the governing bodies.  More fodder for the coming obliteration of the plutocratic few by the uncountable masses.

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