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A Whole Lot Of Uncivilized People Out There...

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Charlie Munger: "gold is a great thing to sew onto your garments if you're a Jewish family in Vienna in 1939 but civilized people don't buy gold"

...and yet:

David Einhorn: "I will keep a substantial long exposure to gold -- which serves as a Jelly Donut antidote for my portfolio. While I'd love for our leaders to adopt sensible policies that would reduce the tail risks so that I could sell our gold, one nice thing about gold is that it doesn't even have quarterly conference calls

Kyle Bass: "Buying Gold Is Just Buying A Put Against The Idiocy Of The Political Cycle. It's That Simple!"

and Howard Buffett: "I warn you that politicians of both parties will oppose the restoration of gold, although they may outwardly seemingly favor it. Also those elements here and abroad who are getting rich from the continued American inflation will oppose a return to sound money. There is no more important challenge facing us than the restoration of your freedom to secure gold in exchange for the fruits of your labors."

The uncivilized people have spoken, and the winner is...

Source: WGC

And just as importantly, the people have realized that buying ETF-based stock certificate representations of a hard asset held in custody by Cede & Co., which may one day simply vaporitse, may not be the most prudent way of insuring against terminal stupidiy.

h/t WallStreetMane


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Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:24 | 2399487 TheSilverJournal
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Name calling and playing on social pressures is the main tool that the central planners have.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:30 | 2399497 Negro Primero
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“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” -Mike Tyson

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:46 | 2399508 The Big Ching-aso
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Sew it in your underwear crotch.  That way you can say you have gold between your legs instead of silver hairs.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:03 | 2399558 WmMcK
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The original Thigh Master.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:25 | 2399591 The Big Ching-aso
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Are you talking about Billary?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:37 | 2399621 HoofHearted
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We are the barbarians at the gate. Remember what happened to Rome???

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:40 | 2399624 The Big Ching-aso
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Didn't they first march into NYC and then onto Syracuse?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:18 | 2399687 Ahmeexnal
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Someone should check assMunger's long form birth certificate. It's a fake like the one shown by teleprompter-in-chief.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:40 | 2399721 akak
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Unfortunately, experts in reading cuneiform are hard to come by these days.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:21 | 2399784 Badabing
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Funny Charly talks about HFT algos and he doesn't even use a cell phone.

but the real satire is his name Monger.






Computer programming term, stands for "MODIFIED UNTIL NO GOOD", meaning someone applied so many 'fixes', that it stopped doing what it was supposed to

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:26 | 2399788 Manthong
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“civilized people don't buy gold"

If Mr. Munger was sincere with that sentiment he should be calling on all central banks and sovereigns to divest themselves of all their unproductive gold as gold is an uncivil and barbarous relic.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:50 | 2399829 Rahm
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I'd put up $1k saying Munger's buying gold...

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:56 | 2400323 flacon
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Don't look up "Munger" in the urban dictionary:


4. Munger

    Verb: To ejaculate prematurely

Past tense: Mungered That girl is so hot i might munger in my pants.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 00:33 | 2400344 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Oh buy gold? what an upset!!!!!

Which has gone on longer?  A day without multiple pump gold/silver pieces largely from folks already nose deep in the shit,

or a day without multiple homicides in Chicago?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:58 | 2400489 GetZeeGold
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Knock knock.


Who's there?


Just us Philistines.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:35 | 2399913 DeadFred
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Munger's problem is he he sees no similarity between Vienna, 1939 and today. How smart can he be?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 01:21 | 2400371 MayIMommaDogFac...
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I think Chuck means to cause his fanz to see no similarity between today and Vienna '39. 

If you really parse what he said the statement is bizarre on a whole lot of different levels.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:11 | 2399869 Pure Evil
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The word fake is no longer to be used.

The new password is 'Photoshopped'.

Thank you for your time.

This has been a message from your Public Broadcasting System.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 22:02 | 2400218 cowdiddly
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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:57 | 2400491 GetZeeGold
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Amen cowdiddy.....if ya got nothing intelligent to say just STFU.


Got that Chuck?


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:57 | 2399653 fourchan
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ole keglegs.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:32 | 2399782 NewWorldOrange
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Or ol' Sleestak.


Hey Tyler. Maybe Sleestak Munger would be a great nickname for ol' Charlie on Zerohedge.

1) Looks just like a Sleestak

2) Lives in the Land of the Lost.

3) Reptilian

4) He has no game. From the Urban Dictionary: "Sleestak: Derived from the mythical characters from "Land of the Lost". It has evolved into a type of defensive posture used in playing basketball, e.g.,'He drove the lane and dunked on the whole team. They stood there playing defense like a bunch of sleestaks.'"

5) Also from the Urban Dictionary: "A person who inflicts self-harm on themselves." His statement seems to be backfiring, and his prejudice against gold has cost him dearly for at least a decade, in money and credibility.

6) And finally, also from the Urban Dictionary: "A last final emptying of the penile shaft..."

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:49 | 2400170 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It appears to fit Munghole on all counts.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:49 | 2399641 Stoploss
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Yes. The Bernanke put will fail..

However, the FED PUT WILL NOT FAIL..............................................


Oh, and.................FUCK THE FED.............................

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 21:42 | 2400211 The Paucity of Hope
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Then stay away from camp fires. There's a reason why Levi Straus took the rivet out of the crotch of his blue-jeans ;-).

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:39 | 2399509 Eclipse89
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Hey Charlie, you old mole, open your mouth now I need to shit!


An uncivilized barbarian

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:00 | 2399518 The Big Ching-aso
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Great.   Now we know for sure we're only gonna be wearing Gandhi diapers in the Fema camps.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 09:04 | 2400502 GetZeeGold
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Should have ordered 600 million hollow points. 450 million ain't gonna cut it now.


Why did DHS order 450 million 40 cal Hollow points?


........wait for it!


Best Answer - Chosen by Voters Standard Issue For DHS, Border Patrol, ICE and Countless others is the Glock 40 cal.
Does that help any.



Yes.....that helps a lot.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:29 | 2399605 The Big Ching-aso
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....." Or bitten in the ear."

Evander Holyfield


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:35 | 2399614 resurger
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fucking Epic +1

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:20 | 2399694 WmMcK
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"No plan survives contact with the enemy."
But Mikey's is more memorable.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:04 | 2399756 I am more equal...
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Unfortunately for Charlie Munger the next time he gets punched in the mouth I fear it will be a mob with their own set of rules - which means the lowest common denominator or where's the rope and tree. 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:58 | 2400181 Hopeless for Change
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@ TheSilverJournal:  Had to get a new password so I could login and give this comment a +1

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 22:46 | 2400265 killallthefiat
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I do not know if Ron Paul is going to pull this one out (who, incidentally, promises austerity and a gold standard), but we are going into austerity and going on a gold standard.  ZH'ers had better be careful what they wish for. 

Look at Howard Buffet's wiki and learn that he is a bigger globalist than his pere.

Your 10 oz of Au will not protect you.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:27 | 2400480 Quinvarius
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Austerity on a gold standard is workable.  Austerity on a fiat standard is just cruelty.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:25 | 2399488 Stackers
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Mr. Magoo you've been PWND

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:59 | 2399552 WmMcK
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You've done it again ...
And damn you, Tyler for splitting the thread, I was hoping for a thou on the original one.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:10 | 2399571 The Big Ching-aso
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Hey, does anybody know how Zyclon-B reacts with gold?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:25 | 2399598 mick_richfield
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Yes. I know.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:46 | 2399633 akak
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Charlie Munger:


Out of self-respect, pigeons in the park refuse his breadcrumbs.

In desperate ennui, drying paint and growing grass watch him.

Babbling brooks say "Wow, even we make more sense than this guy!"

He is .... the least interesting man in the world.


Stay stupid my friends.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:48 | 2399640 Max Fischer
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Incredibly dumb post, Akak 


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:54 | 2399648 akak
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Flippant, juvenile and ad hominem, as always.

At least you are consistent.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:56 | 2399652 Max Fischer
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It's 14:54, and you've already got an up arrow?

Fond of yourself, Akak?


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:05 | 2399663 akak
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If anyone ever needed an example which defines "online trolling and baiting", please refer to the poster's comments above.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:08 | 2399666 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Here's an up arrow, akak.

I'm identifying it as coming from me.

After all, we don't want Maxine to get butthurt about it.


Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:18 | 2400504 GetZeeGold
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Cut Max a break.....he's clean out of Ritalin.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:23 | 2399695 Max Fischer
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Personally, if all the doomer goons around here can continually pray for the implosion of modern society and for wide-spread break-out of urban warfare, then I think you guys should also be able to handle some light-hearted mockery.



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:47 | 2399725 akak
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So you speciously and completely erroneously deride every poster here as a "doomer goon" who "prays for the implosion of modern society", yet you feel the need to continue interjecting your ludicrous and broad-brushed, uniformly antagonistic, negative and personally-attacking comments here?  I believe that actually defines the concepts of "flaming" and "trolling". 
It is also utterly beneath contempt.

Piss on you and piss off, you asswipe collectivist troll.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:54 | 2399739 F. Bastiat
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Good grief; we're not "praying" for it - we're simply observing it.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:10 | 2399766 donsluck
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Observing from too close a distance, I'm afraid.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:29 | 2399793 Badabing
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He looks like the old guy from Up but goes down on Warren.;_ylt=A0PDoS_ejKVPm2gApDWJzbkF...

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:21 | 2399783 Max Fischer
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I disagree.

Most of you guys are uncivilized, G.I. Joe-wannabe GOONS foaming at the mouth, having discussions on what ammunition does the most damage, which guns to use, hunting strategies, etc. 

As an outsider and a member of polite society, you guys are really rather fascinating.  It's like observing mankind in his early evolutionary days when the lower brain stem ruled without the measured discretion of the frontal cortex.  I'd swear that some you you actually bark.





Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:33 | 2399802 Badabing
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"As an outsider"

then how would you know?

Max Fischer Mundi dickhead

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:58 | 2399842 Tsunami Wave
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Nah dickhead you're not smart. You're a troll and a dumbass

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:02 | 2399851 LudwigVon
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It is called the division of labor Max. You seem as if you would prefer the "polite society" status-quo of starvation and a fake war on povery. We rather revel in the individual decisions and exchanges our members, barking or otherwise, make within the constructs of a non-fraudelent monetary system. We believe, that slavery and child labor persist today due to the paper Ponzi plauging the poorest, leaving no means for incremental savings, for the straight-demonic benefit of your farcical consumerist  "polite society."

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 04:53 | 2400436 Troll Magnet
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Ouch.  MF, you just got PWND.  

MF, I don't think you're a dumb guy in a low-IQ kinda way.  But you are one damned dim MotherFucker.  Wake up, dude.  There are massive sufferings everywhere including right here in the USA.  More and more are falling into poverty and there are less and less jobs especially for our young people.  And jobs are not coming back anytime soon.  Your polite society is busy transferring all its wealth to the Lloyd Blankfeins of the world while stripping away the rights of its citizens to keep them in line just in case more people wake up to their antics and dare to do something about it.  You think you're enlightenend.  But I see a blind man.   

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:07 | 2399855 akak
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I imagine that it takes some considerable effort to wield a brush that broad, especially laden with as much tar as you manage to soak it with, but you nevertheless seem able to slap it about very adroitly.  I can only surmise that such skill with the broad-brush comes from very long practice.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:07 | 2401382 AustriAnnie
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+1 for "adroitly"

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:43 | 2399932 DeadFred
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Remember folks, his paycheck is calculated from number of posts, number of responses and number of red arrows.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:51 | 2399939 Red Heeler
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"As an outsider and a member of polite society,"

A member of polite society? Funny you should put it that way.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:10 | 2399976 RacerX
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Max Phinkter.. Lol. THanks for playing.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 23:13 | 2400291 TheSilverJournal
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As opposed to wonderful use of the brain from the rest of society that has yet acknowledged the devastating consequences of ZIRP, QE, or the central planning of money in any form, for that matter?

Yeah, thinking, that is surely a stupid thing to do. You and Munger would get along great.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:15 | 2400475 brettd
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Krugman, is that you?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:04 | 2401378 AustriAnnie
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"Most of you guys are uncivilized, G.I. Joe-wannabe GOONS foaming at the mouth, having discussions on what ammunition does the most damage, which guns to use, hunting strategies, etc. 


As an outsider and a member of polite society, you guys are really rather fascinating."


And that guy in the cubicle across from yours, in the suit and tie, he could be one of us.

Stop thinking that ZHers all live in trailers in the woods.  We are everywhere living among you.  And you wouldn't be able to tell who we are if you tried.  You need to think we are nutjobs because it scares you to death that the kind of thought expressed here on ZH is actually more rational than you realize.

ZHers are actually for the most part calm and collected, peaceful people.  Few of us are here because we want to see sheeple die of hunger and violence.  In fact, the reason we are here is because we hope it can all be avoided by spreading knowledge of the situation to as many people as possible.

And the truth is, most here are kind enough that if you were hungry they'd offer your whiny ass a meal.  


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:05 | 2399759 Tsunami Wave
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Uh.. ok troll that thinks they get everything right. You're a dumbass.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 21:31 | 2400205 centerline
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Keep it coming Max!  Scary thing here is that you are walking a fine line between fun and reality.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 02:47 | 2400409 FrankDrakman
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You seem to assume your heavy handed attempts at insult and invective to be light-hearted.

The multiitudes of red arrows amply evince how isolated you are in your confusion.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:09 | 2401387 AustriAnnie
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Don't you know? All of those red arrows are from Akak.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:53 | 2399649 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What's wrong, Maxine?

Has your tungsten idol of statism, Charlie Munger, been tarnished?


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:09 | 2399672 WmMcK
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... I don't drink the kool-aid often, but when I do -- Feliz Cinco, mujeres.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 03:16 | 2400415 GMadScientist
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Nothing worth celebrating like a sovereign default that screwed the French.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:27 | 2399492 YesWeKahn
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barbarians invasion

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:28 | 2399493 A Lunatic
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Silly Jews, gold is for central bankers.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:44 | 2399519 bank guy in Brussels
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And the Nazis never went away.

The Bush family got rich financing Hitler and the Nazis in the years around 1940, and now Bush's friend Obama has signed the Hitler-type enabling laws taking away even the pretence that Americans have rights.

The US corrupt courts stopped honouring those rights a while ago, but now the Nazi-type machine in America is more streamlined, thanks to both Obama and the corrupt US Congress.

As the original Third Reich was falling, Hitler's most loyal partner, propaganda chief Goebbels, said that within 100 years the Nazi philosophy would once again be rising ... he was not wrong.

Most of the Jews the Nazis killed were non-Zionist, religious people ... nothing to do with those Israeli fascists, most of the Israeli rulers are non-believers ... the Jews the Nazis exterminated are really 'us', brothers and sisters of good people anywhere.

In Europe we are not noisy about it, but actually we have a lot of privately held gold in Europe, maybe more than Americans. We tend to just be super-quiet about it.

And there are actually a lot of privately-owned guns in Europe too (Americans tend not to know this) ... For example, an estimated 19 million privately owned guns amid the 60-million-plus people of France ... and the French government respects this right, even at times, directly saying that, we haven't forgotten that the Nazis were here before and there is no guarantee new Nazis will not be coming back.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:50 | 2399529 Max Hunter
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wish I could arrow up that more than once..

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:20 | 2399578 The Big Ching-aso
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Gold mungers give semites the heebie jeebies.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:20 | 2399588 RoadKill
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Ahh but we have at least 300mm for 300mm people.

And not you old dynastic hunting muskets. Extended clips, full auto conversion kits and full out assault rifles were stockpiled to the moon before bans took place.

But hey, you make due with what you have and Imguessing its easy for tje Euros to get AKs from central asia and eastern europe.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:22 | 2399593 The Big Ching-aso
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I think I now really understand why Buffet and Munger like railroads so much.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:30 | 2399609 knightowl77
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the bans have expired and you can and should buy as many rounds/magazines as possible....Dark days may be coming

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 21:37 | 2400209 Harbanger
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What difference does it make.  They will probably surrender to the Germans, again.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:27 | 2399604 mick_richfield
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Do you think that most privately-owned weapons in Europe are old rifles?  i.e. from World War 1? 

Or are they shotguns?    I bet they are long guns of some kind.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:55 | 2399948 jmk
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The majority will be shotguns then drillings (three barrels), hunting rifles and a smattering of handguns.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:36 | 2399618 obewon
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Well said, new bank guy!

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:36 | 2399619 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"For example, an estimated 19 million privately owned guns amid the 60-million-plus people of France ..."

What's the ratio of guns to white flags?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:35 | 2399806 Pairadimes
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And all of the guns are in pretty good shape. Only dropped once, I believe the saying goes.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:25 | 2400001 jmk
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During the last war the Resistance fought like lions and died in their thousands. During the war to end all wars they fought like lions and died in their hundreds of thousands. Need I comment about their valour in those halcyon days when they were led by Napoleon and his Marshall's?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:07 | 2400057 sun tzu
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That's the problem. All the brave ones died.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:32 | 2400079 prole
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Just like our Civil War

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:37 | 2400937 PianoRacer
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... Or maybe the ones that survived who watched so many lose so much to purchase so little realized that war is a racket.

What if they threw a war and nobody came?

When you dismiss the French as cowards, you condemn us all to eternal warfare. 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:14 | 2399579 Goldilocks
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yah, & you / me, & anyone who saves is a central banker. :)

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:07 | 2399665 WmMcK
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Don't forget Lucky Charms, they're magically delicious.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:28 | 2399494 vmromk
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I got an idea....Can Munger, Bernanke and aww what the fuck throw in Robert Brusca, get togther and go FUCK THEMSELVES ?



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:25 | 2399559 The Big Ching-aso
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Charlie probably digests things pretty slow these days but I bet he still has have some liberal fast shits tendencies.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:13 | 2399574 Nobody For President
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Only if you include the Koch brothers.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:31 | 2399496 Zero Govt
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"and the winner is.."

Ben "we hold Gold as a tradition" Bernanke

...dumbest quote of the century, from an academic public sector clown so no surprise there then

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:41 | 2399926 deepthoughtless
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I love these interviews :)


Also a good one, posted a while back (featuring Alan Grayson)

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:30 | 2399498 Aziz
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Sounds a lot like the protestations of the Roman aristocracy right before Rome fell. "But we're civilized!"

Big deal. Barbarians have triumped many times before.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:40 | 2399511 wisefool
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Civilized people use rule of law. You can take the angle that it limits corruption. you could say it promotes fairness and equal opportunity. You could even say it is a more efficient system of control than hands-on methods. You could even take further steps on the road to hell.

But anyone who is formally trained in law knows that an 80,000 page tax code is not actually law. It can not be abided by, much less enforced. The Romans found this out when the barbarians invaded. They asked the citizens "Give us your gold" along the way through the countryside. The residents did not even have to think.. They pointed tword the "civilized" people in the city and said "They already took it". Where does Mitt Romney live? It certainly will not be the white house.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:44 | 2399632 toady
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'Rule of Law' has broken down.

How can laws be enforced when each new law is hundreds of thousands of pages long, with thousands of loopholes, strengthening previous laws, and annulling others?

The 'law' these days is only known by the corporations, and they only know the sections where their specific loopholes are written.

Sure, there is a basic framework that is taught in law school, but anybody can do anything if their lawyer knows where the loopholes are written.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:10 | 2399664 wisefool
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The counter argument would be, that with modern advances in technology, we need ways to keep a population occupied/employed. So a system of complicated taxation and avoidance gives people a job. The clients (S.S. johns) like Buffet, Romney and 51% of americans can feel like they are still "free" because atleast they did not have to pay "retail" taxes.

And this is not a bad counter argument, until it is. See Greece 2011, US 2013. The USA has a hard time graduating H.S. students and those that do lack basic algebra and reading skills. To run the game as it is now is to have more Tax professionals working at G.E. than sceintists.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:32 | 2400483 brettd
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Key distinction between a job that is an excuse for a paycheck

and a job that produces a sale-able product or service.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:39 | 2399813 Pairadimes
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More to the point, our government now produces more 'privilege' than 'law'. It is this which has undermined the rule of law in this nation.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 09:16 | 2400543 Revert_Back_to_...
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Are you sure those are laws?

Do they apply to you?

Might want to go get a copy of what you signed at the bank when you opened your account?

Are the words "US Person" on there?   What does that mean exactly?

Video 1 is here;

Can the truth set you free?



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:42 | 2399515 Sam Clemons
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Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:18 | 2399689 dizzyfingers
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Quote: Sounds a lot like the protestations of the Roman aristocracy right before Rome fell. "But we're civilized!" Big deal. Barbarians have triumped many times before. Unquote

Of course. They always do.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:04 | 2399757 Grimbert
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The final days of the British Empire, according to Carry On:


Sun, 05/06/2012 - 07:54 | 2400490 Marco
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Don't elevate gold buggery above what it is ... hitching a ride on the theft of wealth by the upper class. You're not barbarians, you're merely tagging along with the aristocracy (most of which, despite the much hated outlier, own a lot of gold too).

Fiat is merely a mode of their theft, in the end game when it collapses it will not wipe out the wealth of the 0.1% while leaving the prudent small time gold bug "barbarians" victorious ... they own most of everything, most fiat, most assets, most gold. When it collapses, they will still be the 0.1%.

Boosting the gold price brings the collapse further forward, but it will solve very little ... wealth concentration has been going full steam since the 70s, a couple more or less years at the end doesn't matter all that much.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:30 | 2399499 AssFire
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The only people who don't need physical gold are the elite types who get a "Freedom Award" from a crony President who denies a safe pipeline so that the railroad he basically owns can transport 20,000 gallon crude cars to the refineries.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:32 | 2399500 toady
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The Kyle Bass quote works best for me.

It WILL get uncivilized sooner or later. There is simply too much debt to ever be repaid.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:32 | 2399501 Peter Pan
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People may not fully appreciate it, but the fact remains that owning gold is the equivalent of owning your own personal central bank.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:00 | 2399550 ArmchairRevolut...
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This is actually true. Gold is kind of like a ponzi: as more people become interested in gold, the value attributed grows in terms of other commodities. So, simply holding onto gold while more while more people discover that fiat is corrupt moving them into gold means that gold will appreciate in value (not just store value). In essence, gold owners get to benefit from the same kind of value theft that fiat printers get. As long as population increases and more people discover the corruption of fiat, this could continue for human eternity or until the fiat system is replaced by one which everyone can agree is not corrupt.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:12 | 2399615 wisefool
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There is no irony in the fact that the "Evil" contemporary american central banks are named after or atleast still owned Railroad and Gold Tycoons. Hearst from the HBO series Deadwood is a shiny, yet very thoughtful portrayal. "I want a world united around the color"

And Swearegens retort: Season 3 / Episode 6: - A Rich Find

E.B. Farnum: Hearst... is he Caesar? To have fights to the death for diversion, murder his workers at whim, smash passages in the fucking wall? A man of less wealth would be in fucking restraints!
Al Swearengen: We are in the presence of the new.
E.B. Farnum: Fuck the fucking new! Jesus Christ, Al... is it over for us here?
Al Swearengen: Go back to the hotel, E.B.
E.B. Farnum: Save us. Think of something!
Al Swearengen: Have I ever not?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:42 | 2399818 macktheknife
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From The Wire.        "All in the game, Yo, all in the game.     -Omar

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:04 | 2399963 Red Heeler
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"You have to become your own Central Bank." - Mark Faber

That's the best advice I've heard in the past few years - words to live by.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:33 | 2399502 dwdollar
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Some of these old fuckers proclaiming gold a barbarous relic are older than the gold-less fiat system they created. Does that make them barbarous relics too?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:33 | 2399503 RoadKill
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All I know is that if we take taxes off gold and silver (sales, capital gains) then I expect only to be taxed on capital gains and dividends in EXCESS of gold appreciation.

Actually I like that idea. No gold standard, lets just not tax purchases of gold or silver, or nominal capital gains. Lets let people buy stocks and bonds in gold and silver, and only pay taxes on appreciation above and beyond gold and silver appreciation.

Uhh ohh. Did I just become a gold bug?

But I reiterrate, no gold standard that makes gold hoarders our new money masters. Just a gold alternative.

Will never happen because the government would never have collected a dime of capital gains or dividend taxes in the last 10 years.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:56 | 2399544 wisefool
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+1. You did not become a goldbug, and neither am I. We all know the solution, as elucidated by Dr. Ron Paul. Competative currencies, or a competative tax code. We need one or the other, cause we sure do not have competent LAS majors (law,econ,poli-sci,etc).

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:01 | 2400493 Marco
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Full reserve gold banking has some merit ... but going back to the past of nation wide bank runs/holidays, why the fuck would you want that?

Fractional reserve banking and bank runs laying waste to economies has a history and tradition equal to gold as a currency ... to embrace the latter without recognizing the former is just plain stupid.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 09:01 | 2400528 Revert_Back_to_...
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I think you will find this old book really interesting if you take the time to read it and understand it.

Also worth reading (find a series 1914 Fed Note to go with reading this - fine print on the back is a shocker):


This is a very rare time in hisotry when you have things like this available to the common man.

After you understand all that or just finish the book, check out this doozey from 1965;

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 10:14 | 2400592 Marco
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What does bimetallism (which in the present age with huge industrial use of silver would be fucking insane) have to do with bank runs?

The book is basically a tirade against the deflation imposed by going for a full gold standard at that particular point in history (deflation bad? I thought your type of people thought it was the shit?) and against indebtedness in general. It doesn't even touch on the history of fractional banking and bank runs.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:59 | 2402020 Revert_Back_to_...
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That is not what the book is about.  It blames the crisis of that day on the legislature messing with the coinage laws.  Crime of 1873.    You do understand that the dollar define as a measurement of silver (not gold) until 1965 when there was another major change in the coinage laws.  Until that time, you could redeem any paper money for silver coin.  It stayed the exact same for 172 years.  Look at what happened after that change in 1971.

  If you have a 1964 coin silver quarter and take it today to cash it in for the silver, it will buy better than a gallon of gas.  It would buy about the same amount of gas (maybe a little less) in 1964.  Do you understand.  Do you see the wisdom of this? 

When you have real capital (silver and gold coin) circulating, you have prosperity.  Read this speech, then read the book again.

Especially notice what he says about the exisiting silver coinage near the end of the speech.



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:46 | 2399505 lemonobrien
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i feel the amount of gold i buy is small compared to the amount i wanna buy.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:54 | 2399735 margaris
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Buying gold is not a "one night stand".

Buying gold is a life long relationship.


You have to proof you are worthy...

Dont be a weak apple.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:46 | 2400099 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Buying gold is simply buying insurance.

Munger/Buffett sell insurance and don't like the people buying gold because BH loses business!


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:35 | 2399507 RoadKill
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All I know is that if we take taxes off gold and silver (sales, capital gains) then I expect only to be taxed on capital gains and dividends in EXCESS of gold appreciation. Actually I like that idea. No gold standard, lets just not tax purchases of gold or silver, or nominal capital gains. Lets let people buy stocks and bonds in gold and silver, and only pay taxes on appreciation above and beyond gold and silver appreciation. Uhh ohh. Did I just become a gold bug? But I reiterrate, no gold standard that makes gold hoarders our new money masters. Just a gold alternative. Will never happen because the government would never have collected a dime of capital gains or dividend taxes in the last 10 years.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:40 | 2399512 AnAnonymous
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"they invest in productive businesses."

That bit should be mentioned.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:53 | 2399538 taniquetil
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And surely, AAPL is one of these "productive business" that adds so much value to society, right?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:21 | 2399589 AnAnonymous
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Who knows?

But the quote was that civilized people invest in productive businesses.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:26 | 2399600 Bay of Pigs
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Like TBTF banks, right?

We know where you stand asshole.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:00 | 2399656 Goldilocks
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TBTF banks...


Titanic - 1912 Original Video Footage (4:31)

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:04 | 2399659 akak
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You mean, we know where AnAnonymous squats with his open asshole, that being any convenient Chinese roadside as well as here on ZeroHedge.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:11 | 2399673 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I thought I caught a whiff of Chinese citizenism.

The stench of Chinese citizenism New World Odor seems to be everywhere.

It must be blobbing up season.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:23 | 2399682 akak
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It must be blobbing up season.

Indeed --- I think I hear the tinkling music of our neigborhood fried puppy and bear gall bladder vendor on the next street over.  Don't run, kids!  But be sure to get me one General Tsao's kitten on a stick --- and don't forget the melamine sprinkles!

Ah, the glorious sounds and smells of Chinese citizenism spring.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 15:24 | 2399696 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Don't forget, kids. Fried puppy and bear gall bladder vendor also offers summer treat to beat the heat: dog lung sno-cone topped with lead-fortified gluten.

Mmmmmm, cool, refreshing, and Chinese citizenish.


Sun, 05/06/2012 - 01:20 | 2399726 Goldilocks
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But i do believe in this. DON'T RUN! DON'T RUN! FAKES! FAKES! ALL OF YOU, FAKES!


Dogma part 6 of 13 (9:58)

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:23 | 2399894 LudwigVon
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1.Yes citizens do invest in paper shares of ownership of productive businesses when institutions who facilitate the purchases are not engaging in fraud themselves. Gold is not an investment, it never has been, that is a Mung-CNBCism, it is simply, money. One needs first to have sufficient savings before investing.

2.The trend now is converting banknotes into money, after the citizens have sufficient real savings, then they may feel more secure to begin evaluating investing and securities.

3. Productive businesses are generally overvalued presently, as a false belief is being deliberately propagated that there is any sort of global economic expansion that is not merely nominal, and citizens are rightly selling in droves in order to (repeat step 2).

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:30 | 2400142 cranky-old-geezer
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Anyone taking Mungers's ridiculous comment seriously is just as insane as he is.

Civilized people invest in whatever they believe they can make a gain on, and they store their wealth in whatever form they believe will hold its value, gold being one of those things.


Sun, 05/06/2012 - 10:18 | 2400602 augmister
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Don't do as he says, do as he does.... He has pockets full of the shiny.   Just another "smoke screen".... keep adding!


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:40 | 2399513 Bansters-in-my-...
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What can I say.but Fuck YOU Charlie.

Are you not dead yet...?

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:45 | 2399520 Dr. Engali
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I just walked out of the voting booth, and casting my ballot for Ron Paul.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:40 | 2399628 Revert_Back_to_...
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What is it that they say about good intentions?

I thought you could only vote in a voting booth?

I am pretty sure you cast a ballot for an elector., right?

Tell me did you submit an application for registration to be a voter?

What is a voter?

I am just here to ask some questions.  I have a lot of them.

Heed the no-tice.  I wouldn't want to be giving you add-vice.

This video is interesting.

Tell me, did you give them any Identification at the Voting Booth?

Did you use your Drivers License?

Why do you need a License to vote? What is the legal definition of a License?

Does that picture on there look like a mug shot?

You know you can actually go to those conventions, right?  Make friends, cast ballots, and stuff...

That kinda stuff could change the world, right?

Just sayin..with love.


Sat, 05/05/2012 - 16:31 | 2399798 donsluck
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Hillarious! You don't "register" your children, you "certify" their birth. In fact, child protective services will allow LOT'S of abuse and neglect before they take the kids (unless you're arrested, too big a subject for here). The insinuation of the video is that those nasty CPS people will take your children just because you're "spanking" them.

The second link is equally hillarious. The first add on the page is a Christian singles site that professes to help you find "God's match" for you! I am not Christian, but I believe someone speaking for God, especially in a commercial setting, is blashpheming. Any Christians out there care to illuminate?

Just another irrelevant Christian Fundamentalist, but with some interesting questions.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 04:00 | 2400424 Revert_Back_to_...
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The example the video used was your registering vehicle.   You do share some type of ownership interest with the State; otherwise, how could they tow away your vehicle when you leave it on the side of the road without it being stealing? 

My second link was meant more for the verse.  I like that verse.

Here is another video for you.

One of this guy's favorite corny jokes is that after you scale the mountain of truth, you will find a Baptist up there eatin a bucket of chicken.  (I added the eatin chicken part).

I would encourage you to watch that whole video.   I don't know your faith, you didn't say.  I like this video too.



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:46 | 2399524 Beam Me Up Scotty
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What do you want to bet that prick Charlie Munger has a whole safe full of bullion gold at his house?  He just doesn't want the rest of us to own it.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 14:02 | 2399554 Tijuana Donkey Show
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That dude is just too old to give a fuck at this point. If he has gold, he has likely forgotten about it. 

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 19:57 | 2400111 margaris
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And I would bet that his greed dies last.

He probably doesnt know his grandmothers name anymore, or how many houses and cars he owns,

But visiting his gold vault and polishing the bullion is maybe one of the only remaining pleasures he has...


Its always suspicious when someone is so ANTI-Gold, or ANTI-Gay or ANTI-anything..

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 20:51 | 2400174 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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You're right, it's a projection.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:47 | 2399526 dragoneyes74
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$1400 gold before it takes off again.  As soon as people REALLY start hating it.  Boom.  $19 silver too.  Bottoms forever.  

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 13:54 | 2399540 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Monster boxes for $10k again?  That would be aweseome!!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 05:10 | 2400447 toothpicker
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Gold is the true troll magnet

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