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Why A European Banking Union Is Far From Imminent

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The implicit risk transfer from periphery to core - and loss of sovereignty this assumes - that is inherent in any banking union (or Euro-FDIC) is not just a stumbling block for the Germans, Finns, and Brits; without fiscal integration it is a non-starter (which no matter how much chatter or 'coming soon'-phrases we see, is not occurring within weeks/months given the Treaty changes and ratification required). Stratfor's Adriano Bosoni does an excellent job of summarizing the short- and long-term hurdles and implications of what so many of the 'poor' nations are calling for (and yet seem not to comprehend). The proposals all involve a transfer of funds from the center to the periphery and all involve a loss of national control of different aspects of their economy. The ceding of authority to unelected officials in Brussels that will be required may seem like a compromise the desperate Spanish leaders (for example) are willing to take in the short-term. In the long-term, the loss of control over the budget and banking sector would leave the nations under the authority of an external force - a concept that threatens the very existence of the nation state as we know it today. This key contradiction between EU integration and national sovereignty undermines the European project from its foundations.

 


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Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment dow2000
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FIRST...what's up

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment battle axe
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Old joke: "The only people the Europeans hate more then the Americans are other Europeans". 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Lucky for us Europeans this is no longer true. Nor funny.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Matt
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Wait, Belgium is considered part of the Periphery, even though it is in the center, and Brussels is in Belgium? What?!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment ArgentoFisico
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Nonono, we hate americans the most

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment ArgentoFisico
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: )

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment ArgentoFisico
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Better: Americans envy Europe's power, according to the main italian mainstream financial newspaper, Il Sole 24 Ore: http://argentofisico.blogspot.it/2012/06/ecco-perche-le-cose-vanno-male-...

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment mrktwtch2
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never going to happen..buy early 2014 the euro will be used as wallpaper as everyone returns to their original currencies..

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment kito
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bullshit. the euro is going nowhere. by 2014 you will be buying euros to get out of dollars. absolutely guaranteed. the euro will come out of this much stronger.....leaner and meaner...........

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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If it's "leaner and meaner" it's the Euro in name only, a different group of countries with different underpinning rules.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment falak pema
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hope it doesn't end up looking like those survivors of AUschwitz.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment littleguy
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haha good one. So funny. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Azannoth
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"The implicit risk transfer from periphery to core.." - Seems like a bargain for the German Taxpayer(AKA me) I get to hand over my hard earned savings to some slackers in Greece and Spain and in return German politicians will feel their politico-penises grow (or vaginas whatever)! Yeah Right FAK THIS S.H.I.T(Spanish.Hellenic.Italian.Transfer), Down with the System!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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According to the Mediterranean slackers and US power structure, you are supposed to feel guilty forever and ever and happily put your neck in the yoke to prop up the charade because Opa was a big bad meanie.

My biggest hope for Germany is that there are still enough there whose minds havent been turned into paste and spines into noodles by years of incessant propaganda to finally say "Enough, and no more"!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Nice info from Stratfor   (Mossad, I mean).....

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Yeah, it's just getting pathetic now.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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No worries. Isn't futbol on today?

VIVA ITALIA!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment asteroids
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Banking union will never happen. Why? Trust.  When any single bank can short its own stock as is happening in Greece, Spain, and Italy. Well, you get the idea.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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And that is why a world currency will never work. That doesn't mean they won't try....but it won't work.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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No and the reality is

 

Germany and France can’t afford euro-zone bailout

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-06-07/commentary/32092773_1_european-central-bank-euro-zone-ecb

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment bigwavedave
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Spain CANNOT be Ireland because they line up opposite each other to play football in a few hours. High priced tickets. Lots of travelling fans. All the players well entrenched in the 1%. Lovely Jubly

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment CommunityStandard
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Germany wants policy control in exchange for money.  The PIIGS want money without relinquishing control.  Neither is going to budge.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Dick Darlington
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This key contradiction between EU integration and national sovereignty undermines the European project from its foundations.

Just look at the polls in Germany, Finland, Netherlands etc. Big majority DOES NOT want more integration. Big majority DOES NOT want eurobonds or any other form of common liability. Such changes WILL NOT have democratic legitimacy. Just today there's an online poll in major finnish paper askin "Should Finland leave the euro?" Over 19 000 votes so far with the following results: YES 89%, NO 11%.

Here's the link to the poll: http://www.iltalehti.fi/talous/2012061315703169_ta.shtml

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment OttoMBMP
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The plan:

Scare and frighten people. Then let them vote.

Then quickly set up the totalitarian EU state, Kissinger, Rockefeller, Delors and all the other sick people have in mind.

It might happen quickly.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment falak pema
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this backlash is typical of the situation. If the Euro currency was healthy it would mean Euro integration was a success; if its unhealthy it means its a failure. The people understand that simple yardstick,  as those EUrocrats like Delors and his mentors; from Kohl/Mittterrand to US oligarchs, aka Kissinger/Rockafella et al; made it their emblematic star child. As surrogate &/or  competitor to USD hegemony. To stabilise the oligarchy monetary system on two first world pillars. Now both pillars are cracked and their hegemonial dreams jeopardised. Rightly or wrongly the people want their nation states back and Euro integration limited to parliamentary collective decisions, not to bureaucracy manipulations.  Pretty shoddy result on both sides of the pond after the financial hubristic binge of the Oligarchs went mad in irrational exuberance, crony cover up and stubborn fiat pump dilution of King greenback; now euro burning. All for nothing? 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment AldoHux_IV
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EU doesn't need a banking union when policy and the banks are the problems.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment unununium
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If Europe were destined to be integrated, wouldn't we have seen a trend toward unification?

When is the last time two tiny European countries merged?  That is not the environment in which Europe exists.  The trend recently has been toward more countries.  Not less.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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1939 someone tried by force.....that didn't work either.

nuff said...

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/06/any-rabbits-left-in-hat.html

interesting math

doesn't work.

DOA is imminent for all of this, absent some astonishing movement towards a political unification of Europe. 

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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there are no countries...its eu national sovereingnty  peasant!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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Bank Network close to bankruptcy freezes the accounts of thirty thousand customers

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/2012-06-14/banca-network-134118.shtml?uuid=AbHKxBsF

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment xcehn
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Some still hold out hope for a sort of quiet coup to occur. The eurozone itself was spawned by an undemocratic shotgun wedding, but a fiscal union (under defacto German charge) would give rise to its own set of contradictions and inevitably lead to more instability and conflicts. We likely would be quickly staring down the collapse of the new and improved eurozone with even worse consequences.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Peter Tchir who is a frequent contributing poster at ZH has this to say according to BI : 

6 Reasons Why Spain's Bank Bailout Plan Is A Huge Step Forward - Business Insider

Sounds contrarian to the views he has published here on ZH in the past; am I missing something? 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Animal Cracker
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"This key contradiction between EU integration and national sovereignty was the purpose of the European project from its foundations."

 

Fixed it for ya.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment falak pema
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you mean it was planned by the enemies of Eurozone integration from inception  and was not the result of a Bureaucratic machine going faster than the national political music, by creating a Euro monster, its favourite spoilt child,  that they could not tame or groom properly, without the agreement of national parliaments who were not privy to the intricacies of its conception? 'Cos if it was planned by the globalist Bilderbergers to be a star child,  they would have made sure that the national parliaments in each country adhere to its proper conception and not spoil the party like they did in club med. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Animal Cracker
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I meant that the purpose of the project was to overthrow national sovereignty, but the Globalist Elites do not have the godlike powers they (and indeed their greatest detractors) believe they have.

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Darth Hayek
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Bug, feature, whichever.

If they had any brains at all, it would be the Germans looking for the door.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:11 | Link to Comment W10321303
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Obama's NEW WORLD ORDER/ The FINAL SOLUTION  Prepare for

YOUR enslavement!

A draft agreement leakd Wednesday shows the Obama Administration is pushing a secrective trade agreement that could vastly expand corporate power and directly contradict a 2008 campaign promise by President Obama. A U.S. proposal for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade pact between the United States and eight Pacific nations would allow foreign corporations operating in the U.S. to appeal key regulations to an international tribunal. The body would have the power to override U.S. law and issue penalties for failure to comply with its ruling. We speak to Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch, a fair trade group that posted the leaked documents on its website. "This is not just a bad trade agreement," Wallach says. "This is a '1 percent' power tool that could rip up our basic needs and rights." 

Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch. (www.democracynow.org - 6/14/2012)

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment W10321303
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THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!

Obama Plans to Put Foreign Companies Above the Law

Zach Carter has a must-read new article up at Huffington Post on leaked documents from trade negotiations that have been posted at the website Public Citizen. You should read his entire article, pronto, but here is the money quote:

The newly leaked document is one of the most controversial of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact. It addresses a broad sweep of regulations governing international investment and reveals the Obama administration’s advocacy for policies that environmental activists, financial reform advocates and labor unions have long rejected for eroding key protections currently in domestic laws.

Under the agreement currently being advocated by the Obama administration, American corporations would continue to be subject to domestic laws and regulations on the environment, banking and other issues. But foreign corporations operating within the U.S. would be permitted to appeal key American legal or regulatory rulings to an international tribunal. That international tribunal would be granted the power to overrule American law and impose trade sanctions on the United States for failing to abide by its rulings.

This is an active effort to undermine US laws and make certain US laws subordinate to non-US tribunal that sits outside any democratic process. President Obama took an oath to uphold the land. I’d like to throw this out to readers. As much as trade agreements (which were approved by Congress) have sometimes run into friction with existing laws, this move by Obama looks to be a far more radical effort to increase the power of multinational companies. And US companies would argue for, and likely eventually get, similar breaks, assuring a legal/regulatory race to the bottom (if you think what we have is bad now, do not underestimate how much worse it could get). (www.nakedcapitalism.com)

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment EvangelosA
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WTF this guy says???

That’s from ECB…

European Central Bank definition of the concept of financial integration: “The market for a given set of financial instruments or services to be fully integrated when all potential market participants in such a market (i) are subject to a single set of rules when they decide to deal with those financial instruments or services, (ii) have equal access to this set of financial instruments or services, and (iii) are treated equally when they operate in the market”

http://www.ecb.int/press/key/date/2006/html/sp060706.en.html

That was the purpose of the Maastriht Treaty… that’s why we had allow the freedom of capital movement assuming a freedom to get lending from all over Europe… WE DIDN’T EVER WANT TO ALLOW THE ONE WAY FLIGHT OF OUR DEPOSITS WITH NO TURNING BACK MECHANISM!!!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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a burning bank union is what we need.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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Rally warning continues...

Despite stockbears with their pre-election jitters, SPX choppy bullish daily & USDX bearish daily charts strengthen.

Significant equity / EURUSD upside & USDX retracement ahead.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-24/market-analysis

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment somethingisrotten
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