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Wikileaks Discloses The Reason(s) Behind China's Shadow Gold Buying Spree

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Wondering why gold at $1850 is cheap, or why gold at double that price will also be cheap, or frankly at any price? Because, as the following leaked cable explains, gold is, to China at least, nothing but the opportunity cost of destroying the dollar's reserve status. Putting that into dollar terms is, therefore, impractical at best, and illogical at worst. We have a suspicion that the following cable from the US embassy in China is about to go not viral but very much global, and prompt all those mutual fund managers who are on the golden sidelines to dip a toe in the 24 karat pool. The only thing that matters from China's perspective is that "suppressing the price of gold is very beneficial for the U.S. in maintaining the U.S. dollar's role as the international reserve currency. China's increased gold reserves will thus act as a model and lead other countries towards reserving more gold. Large gold reserves are also beneficial in promoting the internationalization of the RMB." Now, what would happen if mutual and pension funds finally comprehend they are massively underinvested in the one asset which China is without a trace of doubt massively accumulating behind the scenes is nothing short of a worldwide scramble, not so much for paper, but every last ounce of physical gold...

From Wikileaks:

3. CHINA'S GOLD RESERVES 

 

"China increases its gold reserves in order to kill two birds with one stone"

 

"The China Radio International sponsored newspaper World News Journal (Shijie Xinwenbao)(04/28): "According to China's National Foreign Exchanges Administration China 's gold reserves have recently increased. Currently, the majority of its gold reserves have been located in the U.S. and European countries. The U.S. and Europe have always suppressed the rising price of gold. They intend to weaken gold's function as an international reserve currency. They don't want to see other countries turning to gold reserves instead of the U.S. dollar or Euro. Therefore, suppressing the price of gold is very beneficial for the U.S. in maintaining the U.S. dollar's role as the international reserve currency. China's increased gold reserves will thus act as a model and lead other countries towards reserving more gold. Large gold reserves are also beneficial in promoting the internationalization of the RMB."

Perhaps now is a good time to remind readers what will happen if and when America's always behind the curve mutual and pension fund managers finally comprehend that they are massively underinvested in the one best performing asset class.

From The Driver for Gold You’re Not Watching (via Casey Research)

You already know the basic reasons for owning gold – currency protection, inflation hedge, store of value, calamity insurance – many of which are becoming clichés even in mainstream articles. Throw in the supply and demand imbalance, and you’ve got the basic arguments for why one should hold gold for the foreseeable future.

All of these factors remain very bullish, in spite of gold’s 450% rise over the past 10 years. No, it’s not too late to buy, especially if you don’t own a meaningful amount; and yes, I’m convinced the price is headed much higher, regardless of the corrections we’ll inevitably see. Each of the aforementioned catalysts will force gold’s price higher and higher in the years ahead, especially the currency issues.

But there’s another driver of the price that escapes many gold watchers and certainly the mainstream media. And I’m convinced that once this sleeping giant wakes, it could ignite the gold market like nothing we’ve ever seen.

The fund management industry handles the bulk of the world’s wealth. These institutions include insurance companies, hedge funds, mutual funds, sovereign wealth funds, etc. But the elephant in the room is pension funds. These are institutions that provide retirement income, both public and private.

Global pension assets are estimated to be – drum roll, please – $31.1 trillion. No, that is not a misprint. It is more than twice the size of last year’s GDP in the U.S. ($14.7 trillion).

We know a few hedge fund managers have invested in gold, like John Paulson, David Einhorn, Jean-Marie Eveillard. There are close to twenty mutual funds devoted to gold and precious metals. Lots of gold and silver bugs have been buying.

So, what about pension funds?

  

According to estimates by Shayne McGuire in his new book, Hard Money; Taking Gold to a Higher Investment Level, the typical pension fund holds about 0.15% of its assets in gold. He estimates another 0.15% is devoted to gold mining stocks, giving us a total of 0.30% – that is, less than one third of one percent of assets committed to the gold sector.

Shayne is head of global research at the Teacher Retirement System of Texas. He bases his estimate on the fact that commodities represent about 3% of the total assets in the average pension fund. And of that 3%, about 5% is devoted to gold. It is, by any account, a negligible portion of a fund’s asset allocation.

Now here’s the fun part. Let’s say fund managers as a group realize that bonds, equities, and real estate have become poor or risky investments and so decide to increase their allocation to the gold market. If they doubled their exposure to gold and gold stocks – which would still represent only 0.6% of their total assets – it would amount to $93.3 billion in new purchases.

How much is that? The assets of GLD total $55.2 billion, so this amount of money is 1.7 times bigger than the largest gold ETF. SLV, the largest silver ETF, has net assets of $9.3 billion, a mere one-tenth of that extra allocation.

The market cap of the entire sector of gold stocks (producers only) is about $234 billion. The gold industry would see a 40% increase in new money to the sector. Its market cap would double if pension institutions allocated just 1.2% of their assets to it.

But what if currency issues spiral out of control? What if bonds wither and die? What if real estate takes ten years to recover? What if inflation becomes a rabid dog like it has every other time in history when governments have diluted their currency to this degree? If these funds allocate just 5% of their assets to gold – which would amount to $1.5 trillion – it would overwhelm the system and rocket prices skyward. 

And let’s not forget that this is only one class of institution. Insurance companies have about $18.7 trillion in assets. Hedge funds manage approximately $1.7 trillion. Sovereign wealth funds control $3.8 trillion. Then there are mutual funds, ETFs, private equity funds, and private wealth funds. Throw in millions of retail investors like you and me and Joe Sixpack and Jiao Sixpack, and we’re looking in the rear view mirror at $100 trillion.

I don’t know if pension funds will devote that much money to this sector or not. What I do know is that sovereign debt risks are far from over, the U.S. dollar and other currencies will lose considerably more value against gold, interest rates will most certainly rise in the years ahead, and inflation is just getting started. These forces are in place and building, and if there’s a paradigm shift in how these managers view gold, look out!

I thought of titling this piece, “Why $5,000 Gold May Be Too Low.” Because once fund managers enter the gold market in mass, this tiny sector will light on fire with blazing speed. 

My advice is to not just hope you can jump in once these drivers hit the gas, but to claim your seat during the relative calm of this month's level prices.

h/t Simon via TF Metals Report

 

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Sun, 09/04/2011 - 11:45 | 1631367 tmosley
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How much is gold in Zimbabwe dollars?

Or Confederate dollars?

Or Assignats?

Or Colonial Scrip?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.  Say "hi" to the Dark Ages for me.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 22:04 | 1630524 Yen Cross
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Rocky it's about the world. Crawl out of your Tee Pee!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 23:06 | 1630606 RockyRacoon
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Yes, it is about the world.  And the world has always accepted gold as a store of value.  What's your point?  This time it will be different?  Oh, do tell.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:33 | 1630321 lasvegaspersona
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Bob d 

I'm not sure of your history....if you are a gold bear I'll leave you alone but this time is VERY different. Gold will trade up and down until the paper market breaks...which it will, then all will see...

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:19 | 1630378 bob_dabolina
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I am a gold bear. 

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 01:16 | 1630750 BigDuke6
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When you look AT the words bob dabolina in the mirror it says
Goldman Sachs

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:14 | 1630140 Yen Cross
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Risk /reward should be a prerequisite of " High skool graduation" .

  Good post Bob.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 11:38 | 1631359 tmosley
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Sounds like a foolish round-eye clinging to a failed currency.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 22:05 | 1630527 Yen Cross
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Good post and Singapore.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 10:10 | 1631243 PulauHantu29
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Hong Kong recalls gold reserves, touts high-security vault

In a challenge to London, Asian states invited to store bullion closer to home

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hong-kong-recalls-gold-reserves-from-lo...

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http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2011/2/2_Chi...

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:04 | 1630110 Joebloinvestor
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China has made it very clear what it intended to with with gold.

It hasn't been a secret either.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=azu2GgdtzJqQ&refe...

 

 

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:20 | 1630159 DosZap
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joblo@15:54,

China has been semi honest............<big GRIN>

They have held world gold prices down, even tried to buy the rest of IMF's 400T's 2yrs ago, after a Bank of India took 200T off their hands at $1,050.00oz.

China, being the wheeler dealers they are, offered they would (as gesture of good will ) take the rest off the IMF's hands, at approx $1k an oz(IOW, they wanted better deal than the BOI paid, even at a higher spot price).

What CHINA has failed to tell the world is HOW much they have actually taken out of the world market in backroom deals, and keeping most if not all their own production.

If anyone thinks for one second China does not at least EQUAL India in total reserves, I have some swampland to sell.

They are lying commie POS.Trust them as far as the Fedtreserve.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:06 | 1630120 meatball
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Go China! Destroy the Fed!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:12 | 1630132 JW n FL
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China is owned by the FED not the other way around..

the fact that 99% of Americans do NOT know this or understand this.. nor comprehend how speaks to how wiell the flouride + Public schools have dont in dumbing the masses down (broadly speaking).

 

 

China has 1,200+% Leverage on every Renminbi they print, before the ink dries.

China Builds Cities (6 to 8 a year) to maintain a positive measure of GDP.

 

When China buys treasuries it does NOTHING for America and DOES! everything for China!

Not only have we shipped 7 million PLUS! Manufacturing Jobs to China in the past 11 years..

We as well allow China to buy Treasuries which stabilizes the LIE of an economy that China Operates.

We are parceling off America to improve the Quality of Life of others around the World.

The U.S. Dollar has 120% + Leverage placed against it before the ink dries.

Even if we paid off our National Debt (thusly paying JP Morgan and others 6% interest on Monies printed out of thin air, or enjoying the fruits of pretending to do Gods Work) of $14 Trillion and took it all on our Books at home, here in the United States.. the Dollar would still be NO WHERE NEAR 1,200% Leverage!

 

China is NOT Buying America.. America is GIVING China Stability.. and China later on? for our Christian World View will do what? Buy our Debt with Renminbi that is WORTHLESS! we allow the lie, we stabilize and legitimize China's Bullshit 1,200% Leveraged Money supply that is based on a LIE of GDP created by building empty Cities+++.

 

(mostly a repost)

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:19 | 1630156 Sudden Debt
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and the FED is owned buy a few ultrarich European eliteists.

who owns who in this world? Does it matter? Not for me because I'll probably never see one of those people in my life.

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:23 | 1630173 JW n FL
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you are more than welcome to come over for a bar-b-que when I am hanging the over flow! the more shit that becomes public knowledge, the more of those scumbags there will be to hang!

add everyone over at the SEC to the list! Treasonous Bastards they are!!

Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed’s Secret Loans

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-21/wall-street-aristocracy-got-1-2-trillion-in-fed-s-secret-loans.html

 

PLUS!!!

 

SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/is-the-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes-20110817

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:15 | 1630458 Yen Cross
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Call them " DUMPSTER DIVERS"  looking for the dead cat!  The europeans are good at making " SHIT" out of nothing!

 

  I own some European SHIT!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:17 | 1630150 Troll Magnet
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Hmm...An interesting conundrum here.  The Fed is obviously evil.  But root for China?  Sheesh..

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:08 | 1630126 doomandbloom
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Gitchez!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:09 | 1630129 tickhound
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I dunno... People say it's fungible and all, but I still think Chinese gold tastes better.  That's why people are buying it over there.

 

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:11 | 1630135 zorba THE GREEK
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Gold is golden.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:11 | 1630136 razorthin
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I would really love to see one more "deflationary" panic that dwarfs 2008 before the ultimate dollar waterfall.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:19 | 1630139 doomandbloom
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i can hear Roubini crying in the corner?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:16 | 1630146 Mike2756
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Another entity trying to corner the market, how do these end again?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:24 | 1630167 razorthin
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It was a very small world back in the the days of Hunt, market speaking.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:42 | 1630331 buzzsaw99
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actually back then the majority of gold supplies were held off the market by central banks and world governments. prices were set at the smallest of margins and thus subject to extreme price manipulation much the way it is today.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:28 | 1630397 caerus
Sun, 09/04/2011 - 10:19 | 1631256 PulauHantu29
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"...the United States government issued a large amount of money that was backed by nothing but credit."

What a TGIF that must have been!~

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:16 | 1630148 digalert
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Well that would explain why Jeethner, the Bernank, Billary and of course Biden have been taking repeated, sometimes all at once, surprise vacations to one country that would like no more than to kick the USA's ass, China.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:22 | 1630157 At120
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Tyler, you missed this cable.  This one's from 2010 from then Ambassador Huntsman (now Republican prez wanna-be)

b. "The United States no longer sits still; it frequently uses evil
tricks to force China to buy U.S. bonds"

The Shanghai-based Shanghai Media Group (SMG) publication, China
Business News (Diyi Caijing)(02/08)(pg A7): "This time the quick
change of the U.S. policy (toward China) has surprised quite a few
people.  The U.S. has almost used all deterring means, besides
military means, against China.  China must be clear on discovering
what the U.S. goals are behind its tough stances against China.  In
fact, a fierce competition between the currencies of big countries
has just started.  A crucial move for the U.S. is to shift its
crisis to other countries - by coercing China to buy U.S. treasury
bonds with foreign exchange reserves and doing everything possible
to prevent China's foreign reserve from buying gold. The nature of
such behavior is a rogue lawyer's behavior of 'ripping off both
sides': taking advantage of cross-strait divergences, blackmailing
the Taiwan people's wealth by selling arms to Taiwan, and meanwhile
coercing China to buy U.S. treasury bonds with foreign exchange
reserves and extorting wealth from the mainland's people. If we
[China] use all of our foreign exchange reserves to buy U.S.
Treasury bonds, then when someday the U.S. Federal Reserve suddenly
announces that the original ten old U.S. dollars are now worth only
one new U.S. dollar, and the new U.S. dollar is pegged to the gold -
we will be dumbfounded.  Today when the United States is determined
to beggar thy neighbor, shifting its crisis to China, the Chinese
must be very clear what the key to victory is.  It is by no means to
use new foreign exchange reserves to buy U.S. Treasury bonds.  The
issues of Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, trade and so on are all false
tricks, while forcing China to buy U.S. bonds is the U.S.'s real
intention." 

http://cables.mrkva.eu/cable.php?id=247683

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:25 | 1630160 bob_dabolina
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I take a strand of hair from every woman I make love to. I paint each strand gold. I have a hairy golden statue dedicated to gold itself. 

gold, gold, gold.

If you look into the mirror and say "gold" ten times, a genie will pop out of the toilet and hand you gold bullion. The cool thing is that the bullion will be worth 10x what he handed it to you for every year for eternity.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:36 | 1630203 knukles
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That's disturbing. The hair thing.
Seriously.....

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:43 | 1630212 bob_dabolina
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Goldfinger painted women, I paint womens hair. Come on bro. 

Chaz Bono is gona' be on "dancing with the stars" 

Cut me some slack....this is America right?

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 02:55 | 1630996 bob_dabolina
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Ok. You're cool, I accept you. 

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 02:59 | 1631003 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Have a good night.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 03:03 | 1631009 bob_dabolina
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Pull some ad hominem on me again....I'll fuckin cut you. I will find where you live and fuck your mom. 

Good night.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:02 | 1630263 Use of Weapons
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You fail to mention this statue is 2" tall.

 

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:32 | 1630319 Manzilla
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He also forgot to mention that we should all be scared of you. I feel like a seal in a pool full of sharks. I'm so scared I just pissed myself. But I'm stupid so that's to be expected. Everyone run away, the ZH shark is near. Be afraid, be wery wery afraid.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:15 | 1630364 Use of Weapons
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Oh, please. Come back in about 10 years of /b/ when you've learnt to troll - all you're doing now is embarrassing yourself, and me by proxy (loss of kudos bothering to troll a sheep).

The warning was friendly - I'm a total minnow here, there are old ones lurking in the depths who would gobble me up by accident going for a fat fish, and have had more cigars over spirits deciding the fate of the world than I have ever been invited to.

 

So, stop being a fucking drama queen, and get clued up. Re-read my posts without clasping your dick so tight.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:58 | 1630435 Manzilla
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I have read your posts and honestly I don't disagree with anything you said. Matter of fact it's all very well said. I suggest we smoke some cigars, have some spirits and go fishing.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 17:33 | 1632203 Use of Weapons
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Bromance ahoy!

(Apologies that I didn't post this last night, I wandered away - faux axe buried, hands shaken)

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:25 | 1630391 bob_dabolina
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Us sharks smell piss....mmmm

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:55 | 1630427 Manzilla
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You should. I've been pissing non-stop for about an hour now.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:05 | 1630441 MsCreant
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Don't eat the Baby Ruth.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:07 | 1630442 Manzilla
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Too late. I found out the hard way that it was feces. At least it was made in the USA.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:11 | 1630451 MsCreant
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Don't worry about Bob. His n key does not work so he used the h.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 22:51 | 1630571 bob_dabolina
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His "n" keys don't work?

nnnnnnnn

Meo...You like me. 

I'm short gold bitchez

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:27 | 1630470 Yen Cross
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Caddy Shack is all ya got? Creant as in the deposed Federal judge that was accepted to the California court system?

  Creant get a real life , ya tax and spent libtard!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:45 | 1630499 MsCreant
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Yen, 

Why so cross?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 22:17 | 1630541 Yen Cross
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 Ms creant/ Respectfully, You get a plus 1. Thanks for asking. 

  How do you feel about the DAX? After all it is the "bench mark"of the euro.   Greece@ just under 80%? On 2's,

 

     Oh the Panda gaming the 500 pip range in the Euro, and the Aussies pissed off, over exports, vs import quality.

 You tell me all knowing one!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 22:08 | 1630531 Yen Cross
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Manzilla? Nice Avatar...

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 23:33 | 1630627 bid the soldier...
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Aren't most erections at ZH about 2" tall?

(jk)

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 01:17 | 1630751 IQ 145
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Which mirror? I tried the bathroom mirror, and the one in the bedroom; but it didn't work. Does the mirror have to be "near" the toilet? Need more details, please.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:20 | 1630161 Trimmed Hedge
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Just wait 'til gold hits $100,000 an ounce!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:28 | 1630313 DoChenRollingBearing
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Sarcasm or FOFOA reader?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:17 | 1630375 Sgt.Sausage
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FOFOA doesn't give a number.

He gives a well thought out probability distribution of possible numbers, where the most likely outcome is nowhere near number.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 22:15 | 1630540 DoChenRollingBearing
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Correct Sergeant.  Green.

I just use $55,000 or $100,000 as a convenient handle to communicate the epic scale of what FOFOA says is coming.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 23:38 | 1630636 Dagny Taggart
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That 55K thing is catchy lol.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:21 | 1630165 RagnarDanneskjold
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Do I read this right as Wikileaks is now a useful intelligence source for what is widely published in open source Chinese publications? Or are you saying this is news for people who have been living under a rock?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:58 | 1630252 goldfreak
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yeah, I don't know where the leak is, it's from a published newspaper? Am I wrong?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:38 | 1630323 Manzilla
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Correct.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:22 | 1630166 Tao 4 the Show
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Sinclair recently talked about a new reserve currency by around 2016. That's interesting to think about. Do we a) have 4 more years of nausea on the roller coaster of global insanity as we transition to this new standard, or b) create a new system after a crash to the ground?

Somehow it's hard to imagine another 4 years of governments and banks hanging to the cliff edge.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:09 | 1630444 Manzilla
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Shit it's been that way for almost 100yrs. What's 4 more years between friends?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:24 | 1630172 Yen Cross
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China can't constrain it's own internal costs with a "Yuan " peg. Ghost cities  http://www.google.com/search?q=ghost+cities+china+pictures&hl=en&sa=G&no...

 

   China revalues it's econ calander and doesn't openly sell bonds! China is a farce. 2 usd trillion dollars and china still can't divest?

     Japan threw them through the hoop, when they manipulated { JGB's}. Now they are targeting Piig's. They are running DNT's on the Euro. I can go on and on... CHINA ain't SHIT!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:25 | 1630176 Iwanttoknow
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I'm glad that someone else reads Ben fulford.I colud'nt figure him out.lately he is making sense.A number of predictions have been borne out.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:26 | 1630178 bid the soldier...
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Ah ha, a leaked cable, an absolutely fabulous way to give a rumor gravitas, truth and circulation.

I hope this doesn't mean Assange has anything to worry about.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:29 | 1630186 DosZap
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bid the soldier @ 18;26,

 'WHY do you think Assange has let ALL this out?.

Insurance against the very thing you alluded to.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:19 | 1630459 bid the soldier...
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I really hope you're right and he didn't release a phony cable to scratch the backs of those who are screaming for him to be sent back to the US to face charges.

Alas, we haven't heard them screaming much lately, which furthers my argument and not yours.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:32 | 1630194 JW n FL
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3. (C) In an earlier meeting, Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of
the opposition Likud party, said that "time is running out"
on Iran.

http://cables.mrkva.eu/cable.php?id=111365

 

Classified By: Charge d'Affaires Gene A. Cretz for reasons 1.4 (b/d).

1. (C) SUMMARY:  Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fl) and Florida
Governor Charlie Crist met with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on
May 31 as part of a broad mission to expand trade and
political relations between Israel and the State of Florida.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:36 | 1630202 JW n FL
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Classified By: Charge de Affairs Phil Chicola for reasons 1.4 B AND D.

1.  (C) Summary: During Florida Governor Charlie Crist's visit to Rio
on November 7-8, the Governor's Chief of Staff George LeMieux met with
Samir Awad, Executive Manager for Petrobras' International Assets, on
November 7.  They discussed Florida's legislation requiring divestiture
of the state's US$137 billion pension fund from any companies doing
business in Iran and concerns about Petrobras investing in Iran.  Awad
reviewed Petrobras' activities there, emphasizing the challenges the
oil giant faces in carrying out its business commitments there.  Awad
confirmed, contrary to public assertions by the GOB, that the GOB is
involved in Petrobras decision-making regarding investment.  End Summar

http://cables.mrkva.eu/cable.php?id=131328

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:44 | 1630223 JW n FL
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It is nice we are training the spooks from Thailand how to psyop thier own people!

God Bless America and God Bless Florida for helping those scumbags!

 

________________________________________________________________________________

REF: BANGKOK 3288

1. (SBU) The Department of State reviewed its files and found that,
to date, it possesses no credible evidence of gross violations of
human rights committed by the individuals listed below. These
individuals are candidates to visit the United States Army Special
Operations Command at Fort Bragg, North Carolina and Special
Operations Command at Mac Dill Air Force Base, Florida from December
7-13, 2008.

2. (U) Candidates:

Name: Puchong Rattanawan
DPOB: May 02, 1950; Nakhon Pathom, Thailand
Title/Rank: Lieutenant General, Commanding General
Unit: Special Warfare Command, Royal Thai Army

Name: Soopawoot Utama
DPOB: July 07, 1053; Nong Khai, Thailand
Title/Rank: Major General, Commander
Unit: 1st Special Forces Division, Royal Thai Army

Name: Powpon Ponglowkam
DPOB: April 22, 1953; Suphan Buri, Thailand
Title/Rank: Major General, Commander
Unit: Special Warfare Center and School, Royal Thai Army

Name: Sadet Arkajag
DPOB: August 14, 1969; Korat, Thailand
Title/Rank: Lieutenant Colonel, Commander
Unit: 1st Battalion 3rd Special Forces Regiment, Royal Thai Army

5. (U) POC for this action is Jameson DeBose:
-Email: DeBoseJL@state.gov
-Phone: 202-647-2989
RICE

http://cables.mrkva.eu/cable.php?id=177971

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:01 | 1630433 JW n FL
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Thailand Spooks let into Florida by the Gov. Insurance Lobby Whore Crist

 

(Now General) Puchong Rattanawan <--- this scumbag.. who we trained with American Tax Dollars who is now in bed with China after GOD?!? KNOWS?!? what he did during the protests!!

 

Thai Protests Turn Deadly 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV9FQpWkVac&feature=fvst

 

1.   Chinese defense minister vows to advance relations with Thailand

eng.mod.gov.cn › News ChannelsTop News - Cached 

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Mar 24, 2010 – Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie (R) meets with Puchong Rattanawan, commanding general of National Defence Studies Institute of ...

 

 http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/23156/there-no-sitting-on-the-fence-for-class-10-alumni


The mighty Class 10 Armed Forces Academies Preparatory School is split to the core and no fraternity can glue back together the once dominant alumni.

The Class 10 alumni is a classic illustration of the complex human relationships both in the professional context and beyond.

The alumni's claim to glory came with the rise to premiership of Thaksin Shinawatra, who is now on the run from his legal conviction in the Ratchadaphisek land case. His immense popularity at the time held great promise for members of Class 10, of a bright career future in their respective armed forces.

But the downfall of Thaksin in Sept 19, 2006 left the class unity in a shambles. It was not because Thaksin was now out of the premier's seat, but due to the fact that one of the architects of the coup was Gen Anupong Paojinda, now army chief and fellow member of the Class 10 group.

 

 

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:21 | 1630467 JW n FL
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SO! if ex-Gov. Insurance Lobby Whore Crist was letting in spies from Thailand to better train them in Population Control.. what is the new BP / Big Oil Lobby Whore Rick Scott doing?

well for starters he is letting Big Oil drill off Floridas Coast! as long as they are 10 miles away. Fuck Tourism! it is only 70% of the operating budget! we need tax revenue from who is filling his pockets with cash!

and see more below!

 

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/poll-rick-scott-earns-his-worst-approval-rating-ever.php

 

Poll: Rick Scott Earns His Worst Approval Rating Ever

Florida Gov. Rick Scott's (R) approval rating has sunk to a new low, as nearly six in ten Florida voters now say they disapprove of their chief executive's job performance barely 5 months into his tenure, according to a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday morning.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/bp-gives-florida-30-million-for-tourism-scott-1392312.html

 

BP gives Florida $30 million for tourism; Scott says he doesn't want state to join oil spill lawsuit

TALLAHASSEE — As the one-year anniversary of the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster approaches, the Florida Panhandle got a $30 million boost from BP to help lure tourists back to the seven counties hardest

hit by the April 20 oil well blowout in the Gulf of Mexico. Flanked by BP officials and Northwest Florida lawmakers and tourism officials, Gov. Rick Scott announced the agreement with the oil giant Monday morning, calling it a "very small step on the road to recovery."

 

 

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/19/2175173/florida-wont-join-oil-spill-lawsuit.html

 

Florida won’t sue Transocean over Gulf oil spill

Florida will not join Alabama, Louisiana and more than 800 other plaintiffs in a federal lawsuit against Transocean, the operator of the Deepwater Horizon rig that exploded in the Gulf of Mexico a year ago, causing a massive oil spill, Gov. Rick Scott announced Tuesday.

Instead, the state will file a claim against BP directly, a move the Florida Attorney General’s Office says will be resolved more quickly — and inexpensively for the state.

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIYad3TvY6Q

Never-Before-Seen Rick Scott Deposition Video

Here is never-before-seen footage of Rick Scott during a deposition in an anti-trust lawsuit against his former company Columbia/HCA Health. Scott's company was fined a record $1.7 billion on charges of Medicare fraud. Despite being a lawyer and being CEO of one of the nation's largest hospital chains, Scott evades answers to even the most basic questions. If Scott won't answer questions when under oath, how can we expect him to be honest with us?

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhjKn256Vvk

 

Rick Scott Pleads the Fiffff

Rick Scott pleads the fifth 75 times. Running on his open, transparent, and supposedly stellar business record Rick Scott takes the fifth in a deposition where he was asked about possible criminal acts being conducted at Columbia/HCA - a company he founded and ran.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=sRYBiEet-Nk&feature=fvwp

 

Gov. Rick Scott was met by boos as he walked onto the field to throw out the first pitch at a Yankee's spring training game.

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 22:15 | 1630534 JW n FL
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And for all those blind idiots that think their vote counts. 

Been trying to tell the masses but they just dont get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1thcO_olHas

 


All Credit to, Cult of Criminality ! Great Grab!!

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 01:07 | 1630736 Cliff Claven Cheers
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JW having technical difficulties?  you keep replying to your own posts without switching avatars/users.  Remember to keep track of your multiple personalities that all support each other.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 11:03 | 1631311 JW n FL
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I have one name.. always had it.. never had another.

if people choose to support my point of view, that is their choice to do so.

given you are one of the ass hats from Gainesville coin (located in backwoods North East Tampa / New Port Richie) I would expect this level of comprehension from a paper hanger from New Jersey (which exit were you hatched at?).

No worries, I think I will spend some time today sharing with the world what kind of chop shop you scumbags work for.

but I will say that the owners of that shop picked some really good bottom feeders to push his bullshit 3rd man out products.

good luck paper hangers! dont forget to watch boiler room at least twice today!

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:34 | 1630200 MoneyWise
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"Gold is golden." Right until it doesn't.

Let's follow some facts.. #1) Couple years ago US authority attack

Swiss.gov for not letting US.gov know/report back US based

clients,

since

then many Swiss banks stop doing biz with US clients (including me)

Basically leaving no choice, but repatriate money back to the USA..

#2) Just recently Gold/Silver Forex trading is prohibited for US based

clients. No USA citizens can trade Metals over their Forex (MT4 or other platforms)

#3) If everything turn out to be as bad as ZH "forecasts" at the

day X US.gov will make it ILLEGAL to sell or buy gold for ALL US

citizens World-wide (possibly other Countries will also follow this
path)

They won't search your homes, NO, but they'll give you 3-5 days

(whatever # of days) to turn your GOLD IN for FIXED price let's

say

$1000/oz, after day x they'll make Illegal (under criminal law) to

Trade GOLD including physical. You cannot Sell it, you cannot Buy

it and if you do, your GOLD will be confiscated and you'll do the

time for breaking the Law. Now telling me, what you going to do

with it??? EAT IT? Or you think "they" are idiots to let you go

off hook, while everyone else is on it.. You doomed under ZH

scenario whatever you do, I can almost guarantee you that..

So do not cheer up world finance collapse cause it going to

go back at you and f* you as hard as you never imaging, whatever

you have GOLD or not. Got it?

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 18:38 | 1630207 JW n FL
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you are right.. Americans will never get off their fat, lazy, ignorant asses and start voting with bullets!

why would they?

Greedy idiots over lazy morons any day.

 

$16 Trillion Dollars???

http://info.publicintelligence.net/GAO-FedAudit.pdf

 

PLUS!!!

 

Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed’s Secret Loans

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-21/wall-street-aristocracy-got-1-2-trillion-in-fed-s-secret-loans.html

 

PLUS!!!

 

SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/is-the-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes-20110817

 

Plus!!!

 

How about the $2.5 Trillion in Social Security Bailouts??

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/retirement-planning/video/good-news-on-social-security/478373/

 

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:11 | 1630280 High Plains Drifter
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so poor baby didn't get on the gold train back in the early 2000" huh?  well that's too bad....

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 20:03 | 1630358 topcallingtroll
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Funny!

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 19:30 | 1630316 DoChenRollingBearing
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MoneyWise, you are not creative enough in your thinking...

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:25 | 1630471 cranky-old-geezer
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I tend to agee.  As gold price rises Fed gets more black eye.   I beleve 2k / oz is a major psychological threshold.  Above that Fed starts panicing, and it's very possible gold possession would be curtailed in some way to keep demand down and price down.

I can't imagine anyone saying it's not poosible.  With the brazenly criminal government we have?  Yes, anything is possible.

They might outlaw any kind PM in a form where it could be used as an alternative currency to FRNs. 

Yes it's unconstitutional. Since when did that matter?  They threw out the Constitution long ago.

 

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 21:44 | 1630494 delacroix
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they'll have a hard time outlawing something they have been selling to the public, for years. mandated by the constitution

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 23:00 | 1630600 Terminus C
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We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 10:42 | 1631279 Bicycle Repairman
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If the majority of the public has none, and they don't, there won't be a peep if they outlaw it.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 02:54 | 1630994 Montgomery Burns
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Just like pot.... and no one buys or sells that.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 10:46 | 1631284 Bicycle Repairman
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Pot has reached a critical mass of people.  This is an important advantage of silver over gold and why silver must be considered.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 10:43 | 1631278 PulauHantu29
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Yeah, comtrol ownership of PMs will be as successful as gun control, homicides, rapes, illegal immigration, etc....

ha ha ha....good luck with that one.

Plus, as soon as "they" try to control "it" the price will sky rocket just like illgeal drugs....prices will shoot thru the roof as the Hoi Poloi realize how valuable PMs are.

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