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Will The 3rd Time Be The Charm For European Credit Bears?

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What do European credit markets know that equities don't? For the 3rd day in a row, credit markets snapped higher at the open and have then sold off considerably - diverging bearishly from European equities. At the same time, European sovereigns (most notably the pivot securities of Italy and Spain) are now 20-25bps wider (in spread) from Friday's Greece 'deal' announcement. European financials are underperforming dramatically.

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:17 | 2249982 idea_hamster
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What do European credit markets know that equities don't?

They know that Draghi mops up all the squid juice at the open so that UniCredit can limp along for another 23 hours.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:17 | 2249988 SheepDog-One
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Damn! I mean, are US equities not the kids in the sandbox with hockey helmets on playing with cat turds? This is RIDICULOUS!

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:27 | 2250023 espirit
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SPY to 140 by May, then watch-out.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:20 | 2250008 French Frog
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I know that when it comes to being right, the credit markets are generally ahead of equities but i couldn't help thinking along these lines, considering how bullish stocks have been .....

"What do equities know that the credit markets don't? lol

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:24 | 2250014 SheepDog-One
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Equities dont know shit, just the most easily pumped crowd control device around. Inflation is crashing in, and equities are all almost at all-time highs. Full retard.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:16 | 2249985 SheepDog-One
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All I know is U.S. markets are FANTASTIC! Never been better apparently...jump on in the waters fine nevermind those enormous triangle fins.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:16 | 2249986 espirit
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Any money making pattern is subject to immediate reversal.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:17 | 2249989 Commander Cody
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The bond market in Europe is broken.  Well, so are the equity markets.  However, equity markets yield the wealth effect, while bond markets yield nothing but subordination.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:18 | 2249992 Conrad Murray
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MIND THE GAP!

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:21 | 2250011 francis_sawyer
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We're gonna need a bigger gap...

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:20 | 2250009 youngman
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There are trillion of these bonds on someones book.....now we all know that in 5-10 years there value is going to be cut....maybe even eliminated...so one..why are people still buying them now?...and two why are the investors holding on to them....can´t they see that Spain in 1-3 years will be asking for a haircut...is the so called return that much more important than the capital used to buy it....???  I do not understand...I have been watching Bllomberg in South America....on the ticker they have local South American news...what is amazing is the CPIs of the countries....all up .5 to 1.7% per month....inflation is here bigtime...so buy that US 30 Year Treasury at 2.9%......you will lose in the first year...

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:23 | 2250012 Schmuck Raker
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Can anyone shed some light on the 'flash pop' in ES mini futures last night at 10:20pm EST?

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:58 | 2250345 LouisDega
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Yes. Looking at the charts and the technical bollinger bands, my observation and conclusion is the ES futures went into positive territory. 

Note: I am not a financial advisor, But i play one on TV

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:34 | 2250512 Schmuck Raker
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Thanks LD

You've given me one more reason to not watch TV. :)

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:30 | 2250016 virgilcaine
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The Gaming Industry is much more efficient. These are Casinos afterall,  they just dont realize it yet. Hence the dramatic spikes in all directions.  Comps have been declining as in WS bonuses which effects the  WS Gaming Industry itself.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:29 | 2250029 asteroids
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Notice how all the action happens BEFORE the market opens. Retail doesn't stand a chance during the day. The algo's are locking the SPY in a $.50 cent range and churning churning churning. It's masterfully done, but so sad when you realize what it all means.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:39 | 2250055 SheepDog-One
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How is it really 'masterfully done' when anyone with half a brain knows its all obviously just fake? Who is it supposed to fool, avg unemployed american sitting home drunk and depressed? 

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:43 | 2250069 espirit
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I'm just depressed, it's too early to be drunk.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:52 | 2250113 Conrad Murray
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/me passes espirit the bubbler

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:56 | 2250128 LongSoupLine
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That all depends what time zone you're drinking is sync'ed to.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:13 | 2250624 Nobody For President
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...average unemployed retail american trader sitting home drunk and depressed...

 

Fixed it for yah

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 09:52 | 2250117 SillySalesmanQu...
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Thou shall not trade while markets are open, only after hours.

This would partially explain the "low volume" Just more front running...creating their own swings because of low volume...?

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:38 | 2250529 smb12321
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Wrong.  Equity buyers (those few who actually buy) know that monetary policy will continue its merry parth and artificially inflate prices.  But companies ARE making money - by shedding every single unnecessary employee, trimming any fat, etc.   It appears, though, that "profits by cutting" have come to an end.  I'm expecting a huge melt-up as the latecomers get on board 3,000 points too late.

Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:18 | 2250634 Nobody For President
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The Greece default sure has werecked the financial institutions here. Yep, by golly.

At this moment, not ONE major US Bank or investment bank is in the red. Every one on my Finance watch list is green, and FAS, of course, is up almost 4%. After fucking months of 'the sky is falling if Greece defaults'. 

The squid's up 3%, JPM 1.8%, fucking BAC 1.8% =

champagne for every one!

(And fuck Greece...)

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