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Will The Baltic Dry Bounce Off Satan's Bottom?

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Dante would be proud; the Baltic Dry Shipping Index has now plunged through at least eight levels of hell on its way to record lows as it drops to 666 today. This is the lowest since Feb 2012's Chinese New Year lows and is a stunning 55 percentage points lower than the normal seasonal shift in the global aggregate trade indicator (and down 69% from its Oct 2011 swing high). Whether its over-supply, under-demand, or too many Chinese New Years, it is unarguably the next level of hell for the global economy - that will surely bring all the bottom-callers out as this time is different.

 

 

and if you thought it was just the Baltic Dry... here are the Cape, Banamex, and Supramax Indices... noneof which receovered at all from the 2008/9 crush in global trade...

 

Source: DryShips

 


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Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Maybe, depends how much stuff will need to be shipped during WWIII.  Growth is dead and there are 7 billion unfunded or at least underfunded liabilities walking around and all eCONomic and monetary systems depend on growth to sustain debt - FAIL.  Get out of debt and get physical.  Can we get a chart going back 100 years?

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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This is bad news for peak oilers. Shipping capacity is well in excess of demand for oil. The oil price looks like it's about to drop off a cliff, especially with the very real competition provided by green technologies like wind farms and biofuels.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment dbomb12
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Not as long as the oil is priced in dollars

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment reload
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Conflict....or the prospect of likely conflict in the ME changes the dynamics of the oil price. Its not only about current supply/demand but about what happens the instant there is a major interuption to delivery from the ME. 

But why not put on a short crude trade as a pair with your long FB.What could go wrong?

Keep us entertained.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:16 | Link to Comment Meesohaawnee
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good or not good trade. i have some DTO to short crude. maybe it will work out

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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The script for the "conflict" was written decades ago.  Everything follows the script.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:02 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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He sent his only begotten son......I'm pulling for you chief.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Baltic doesn't ship oil, which is currently now over $96 for WTI and $114 for brent.  Weak MDB, almost like you aren't even trying.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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It's a proxy for industrial demand, and for shipping capacity in general. Nobody needs oil anymore. The green revolution is picking up speed and will soon make oil obsolete, so peak oilers need to give up their dreams of becoming masters of the universe. 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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pwned

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment gggunchi
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Pray tell . . . what is going to run the trucks to get goods to market?  Or ships that get goods from Asian to eveywhere else in the world?  What are cars going to run on?  What are we going to make rubber, plastics, and other semi-and pseudo- synthetic materials out of?  How are we going to fly in jets, or heat our homes? 

 

I mean maybe we could use Whale and Baby Seal blubber . . .

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment Acet
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Unicorn piss, bitchez!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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"I mean maybe we could use Whale and Baby Seal blubber . . ."

Leave the poor critters alone.  We have a far greater supply of American people blubber and apparently it's a renewable resource.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment entropy93
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People who claim oil can't be replaced have zero imagination. Or often on take from oil industry.

Freight: Electric freight trains and last mile electric trucks.

Ships: Biofuels, wind and solar combo. Already some are using giant kites to cut fuel costs. World trade existed long before oil, and it will exist long after. There is also the Russian to Alaskan rail tunnel idea. Could run all electric freight to entire Northern hemisphere.

Cars: Plugin highbred cars already work. Quantity will bring price down, put fast chargers in every parking lot. Rarely for a long trip you'd need to spring for some biofuels. Forget ethanol nonsense, diesel is much easier to produce directly, great for hybrids.

Synthetics: Many use very simple feedstocks such as methane, easy to produce from biomass. Some may require cracking of biofuels down into simple hydrocarbon changes. Nothing a refinery cracking unit couldn't handle.

Planes: biofuels, or potentially liquid hydrogen. Excellent aircraft fuel due to low weight. Russia has already tested liquid hydrogen passenger jet retrofits, it works.

This will all happen, as easy oil runs out, the alternatives will be cheaper than scraping up the left over oil.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Funny, not in one of your pie-in-the-sky hopium laced examples did you ever mention the role of oil in modern agriculture...

Your Synthetics blurb is laughable.... considering the amount of research going on to do the exact opposite. .i.e., create chains and not crack them....

Fast chargers for exactly what technology and what price??? It is very doubtful that a non-subsidized EV will ever be less than $25,000 (2012 dollars)....

That being said, electrified freight is a big step in the right direction... I wiil definately give you that....

You should read up on the Law of Receding Horizons....

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment Element
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Despite all your endless greenie nay-saying bullshit and agenda pushing, history and current trends show we have entered into a long-term "energy-transition" phase (these typically took about 70 years--two generations-- to progress in past instances), and price drives product substitution, and their uses.  

As always you ignore that what is 'economic', is an unrestricted variable, and it will always change.  So it's a completely facetious, irrelevant and moronic argument that says something is expensive now, so won't be used.  When we know from endless prior instances that if and when necessary, peoples and whole industries and countries will flock to a once expensive substitute or technology, and the economics and geopolitics of the globe will adjust to the new situation.

The change-over from sail-powered ships to steamers is an example, and I hate to break it to you kiddo, but sail-power (the greenie ideal and 'solution') became uneconomic, as a result of this.  But greenies in response simply want us to believe that there are insurmountable problems to further energy transitions and substitutions.

There are problems, and none of them are ever final or insurmountable.  Only systematic cognitive acts of pure idiocy would lead a person to assume such problems are insurmountable and not worth pursuing.  We'll solve such problems and do it regardless though, no matter what any absurd flock of pontificating tossers crap-on endlessly about.  

This is what really happens during such an energy transition.

Which is why large-scale synthesis of oil and fuel absolutely will take place, as it has in the past, as conditions and the economic imperatives of it enabled it to come into its own.

Yet you just stand there like a braying fool, and deny it that with half-arsed theoretical 'rationales'.

It's rather laughable and more than a little bit pathetic.

The energy economy will not stop due to your internal fantasies--sorry.  

You will die and it will go on.

Try to come to terms with this, and with how reality works.

 

 
BTW;  There's little point getting all grumpy or throwing your toys around at people who love you enough to point this out.  We haven't given up on you mate, hang in there.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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If your understanding of energy issues and constraints is anything like your analytic abilities when it comes to AGW, I can safely say that we can ignore whatever cornucopian nonsense that you care to share....

In the other energy transitions people knew pretty early on what they were transitioning to.... Maybe I missed the memo about what replaced oil for the basis of our transportation. Could you refresh my memory?

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 21:54 | Link to Comment Element
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Financial Sense NewsHour

Global Warming: Fact, Fiction or Conspiracy?

Audio interview:

http://www.financialsensenewshour.com/broadcast/fsn2012-0825-3.mp3

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Now there is an authority.... the Financial Sense Newshour....

Is that really the best you can do?

BTW, avoiding the question, again?

You can have the last word, I am off to bed....

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Element
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Now there is an authority.... the Financial Sense Newshour....

Is that really the best you can do?

 

I'm afraid so, it's not much, but it'll just have to do.  But still it is a whole lot more relevant and interesting than the supercillious high-handed pseudo-science bullshit you keep peddling, to try to make everyone feel guilty about something they haven't done. 

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Here is a new one for you...

Basic statistical analysis:

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034020/pdf/1748-9326_7_3_034020.pdf

Published 9/4/2012....

You really have to avoid sites pandering to Confirmation Bias....

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment bnbdnb
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MDB, oil is in your lube.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment dbomb12
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Yes, the Chevy volt sales are doing real well and think about all the non existent wind and solar power plants in the USSA

Reuters 9/10/12

PLANT SHUTDOWN

"The lack of interest in the car has prevented GM from coming close to its early, optimistic sales projections. Discounted leases as low as $199 a month helped propel Volt sales in August to 2,831, pushing year-to-date sales to 13,500, well below the 40,000 cars that GM originally had hoped to sell in 2012"

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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"..Nobody needs oil.."

Right...

So, then, the price will start dropping...???

Right...

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment gggunchi
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As demand falls due to an increase in price, the price should adjust downward to find equilibrum.  However -- given some buffoon in charge of the world's largest military decided to hit CTRL + P a few more hundred billion times . . . the price will definitely rise as its a commodity. 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You forgot about whether the new supply at given marginal price of a new barrel falls off faster than demand.... Existing oil fields are declining at roughly a 4% rate p.a.....

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Better, but unfortunately the oil market and applications are a bit more complex, and despite the "green" revolution it is still very much an oil economy.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment gggunchi
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Very real competition?  Are you high?

 

The Germans spend an untold amount of money building out these Windfarms on the north coast.  Wanted to send the electricity to Bavaria.  Oh wait . . . an econ. group filed and injunction to stop the power lines. 

 

And we are talking about California where BILLION$$$$ were spent to build this stupid Windfarm on I-10 between LA and Palm Springs.  Then some stupid environmentalist group found it was killing the birds (so much for darwinism) so it gets shut down 4 days a week. 

 

Biofuels?  Do you have any idea how fucked they are?  First, horrible for most motors, and second gub'ment subsidys fucked up the demand curve for not only corn, but for other veggies that farmers would have planet were it not for your Biofuel. 

 

The Green movement can go fuck itself with a rake. 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Are you high?

 

Depends....are you a cop?

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment gggunchi
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Yeup, I'm a copper who also day trades . . . because all police are always intelligent (and well paid). 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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"Very real competition?  Are you high?"

On that note if you are can I get an invite?

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Haole
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"The Green movement can go fuck itself with a rake."

Oh and it is but elitist-controlled governments love it for it's "eugenic", neo-feudalistic-facing qualities, the "movement" is ignorantly falling right into their trap. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Oldrepublic
Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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The Germans spend an untold amount of money building out these Windfarms on the north coast. Wanted to send the electricity to Bavaria. Oh wait . . . an econ. group filed and injunction to stop the power lines.

 

In Germany, Coal is the new Green 

A New Role for Coal in German Energy Revolution

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-coal-fired-plants-could-...

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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Double farts!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment entropy93
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Biofuels: Actually biodiesel is better for your engine than modern low sulfur diesel fuel. Better lubrication of the fuel pump and injectors.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment oldfruit1
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nhot sure if this is one of your dry jokes mdb BUT just incase other readers get confused .. baltic dry index (bdi) is an index composed of rates to ship DRY FREIGHT across various shipping routes. Mostly iron ore/coal/grain. there is massive over capacity in this market, so i would be cautious about using it as a proxy for the global economy, these greek shipping tycoons prefer building new ships (with loads of debt thrown in) to paying tax ;) also iron ore market has dried up although who knows what the chinese will do in terms of infrastructure build.

oldfruit

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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Chinese are going to build another ghost town and bridges to nowhere ... rinse, repeat. They should rather build bridges in the US.

8000 bridges in the US are structurally deficient or fracture critical:

http://saveourbridges.com/map.html

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment darteaus
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"...especially with the very real competition provided by green technologies..."

Sounds like you've been hitting some of that green technology.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment Mitch Comestein
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Green energy?  Why not mention competition from a real competitor like natural gas....not a bunch of glorified mirror and propellor companies in receivership.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment tabasco71
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"especially with the very real competition provided by green technologies like wind farms and biofuels."

LOL - one of the funniest I've seen from you

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Monk
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Actually, that's bad news across the board as oil production costs have gone up.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:08 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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I hate to break it but peeps with no money cannot afford high prices. The trend is more people with less money: see 'food stamps'.

 

10 years of increasing real crude prices and expanding consumption have made credit unaffordable as well. Falling price = demand destruction and when demand is gone, it's gone for good.

 

Don't let the asset markets fool you, if market participants can't meet their costs (by selling to the public at break-even or better) they are out of business.

 

Too many ships, not enough customers. A lot of ship owners and ship builders will fail before this round of demand destruction is done.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Look at the oil price run up to the 2008 collapse. Oil companies always do the raping before the pillage.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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Your conclusion is probably right because we're entering a global recession within this depression.

Your green tech comments are way off though. Very real competition? WHAHAHHAAHA.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Scrilla
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Moron. BDI is a dry-bulk commodity freight index, it doesn't have anything to do with oil transportation.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment dbomb12
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Dont worry, the Romney/Ryan team are here to fix everything. SARC

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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It's worth a shot.

 

Hey.....he fixed the Olympics.....and I don't really even care for the guy.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment dbomb12
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Actually it probably doesn't matter since Obama,s dyke driven homeland security is getting ready to implement martial law before the elections

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:11 | Link to Comment gggunchi
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Can't get any worse than the buffoon who is running the show now. 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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At the very least it would be a new face to yell at.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:17 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Sure it can... And will. Doesn't matter who is chosen for us.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment gggunchi
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This is probably the credited response.  Eventually the inflation risk premium on the bonds will exceed all other risk premiums + prime . . . and then we are all fucked. 

 

I mean if push came to shove they could take out energy and food out of the CPI . . . oh wait . . . .

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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That is a good example of the real discussion that neither party can have and the proof that it's both parties (merely representing the interests of the finance oligarchs) vs. us. I'm somewhat surprised that the Rs are paying lip service to the labor participation rate, but they can only do it around the edges.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Well then we should probably keep the old crap around I guess.

 

It's not a great campaign slogan....but I guess it's gonna have to do.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:16 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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^^^ yet another way that our two party system works to maintain our illusion. Let the pendulum swing back and forth over who can "solve" a problem that can't be solved. It's brilliant! Notice that the language of the debate never broaches reality... It can't. If either party wanted to have a frank discussion, the whole thing would collapse. As it stands, this approach buys some time, but the inevitable still is.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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"What can Brown do for you?"

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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The big guy himself? This could get dicey!

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment rubearish10
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Charts really do matter?

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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This shows that all those new Star Trek transporters are taking up the slack. Bullish

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Meesohaawnee
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and in the mean time .. the embarassment known as bubble vision.,,keeps pounding the QE .. obey your masters bubble vision. Never mind that a poster on ZH so accurately said last night "qe is like flippin the bird at the middle class" (well done poster)

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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bullish for scrap metal prices. [/sarc]

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment Haager
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Nope, bearish.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:05 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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If they scrap cargo ships then supply will increase which is bearish but then there will be no cargo ships to haul the scrap metal thus creating a shortage which is bullish however...

 

Oh no I've gone cross-eyed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8w95xIdH4o

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment larz
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Someone pleeeease hit reset    Im bored

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Classic example of the outcome when one extrapolates a trend using a straight edge to beyond the sell-by date....

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment pavman
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beyond the sell-by date....

There's a sell-by date for iron?!  Holy crap...did anyone inform GM about this?!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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I had a mid-70s GM car. It didn't have a sell-by date, but it definitely had a use-by date. After about 4 years there were few body panels not affected by rust. I figured it had about two more years before it became a convertible.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment monopoly
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These two charts tell a story worth a thousand words. Thank you Zero Hedge.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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When goods and services stop crossing borders, troops will.  Same as it ever was.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Jason T
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Globalization can't die.. we're all dependant now on each other.  They got us in a bind.   Twas a deal with the Devil.  

 

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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WE DONT NEED MORE SHIT FROM CHINA! SEND IT BACK.

 

Maybe it's me, but I have noticed a massive increase in GARAGE SALES.....not estate sales which are kick ass (unless they pay someone to do it and then it's full price for used shit).....

 

Every single corner has a garage sale sign......nobody can park in their garage CAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH SHIT THEY DONT NEED.

 

I DRED CHRISTMAS because it's more shit....

 

I'm done. sick and tired of it.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment ghengis86
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I hear ya. Three of my neighbors have three car garages and can't park their new SUV's inside. Full of shit. One made $50 at a garage sale last week. They bought pizza and beer that night for dinner with 'all that money' they made. Selling junk to buy edible junk.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Going long.....junk.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment MilleniumJane
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What?  They didn't have to shell out money to the city/county for a permit?  In our area, a permit is needed to hold a garage sale.  I think it's about $50 and good for only one weekend.  Multiple garage sales in a year are frowned upon and liable to bring the cops who will then tell you that you are running a business, must have a business license and pay the B & O taxes.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment 10mm
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Sneaker sales in tadem with fights,gun shots and suffication from large fat fucks steeping on each other.That's Christmas.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment pavman
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You're not the only one.  Two of my friends both commented to me spearately that they have too much junk.  Its ironically funny because they're both in the same economically unviable boat and have debt up to their eyeballs.

 

While I've seen more garage sales this year than usual, I've also noticed more estate sales as well.  I'd wager those will tick up over the coming decades as people start to kick that can down the road permanently.  Let's face it, baby boomers are real good at hoarding trash.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Louie the Dog
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"Let's face it, baby boomers are real good at hoarding trash"

Fuck you.  My kids own more shit than their parents ever did.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 17:56 | Link to Comment tickhound
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Don't take it so hard... Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment redeemed
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Don't forget that one of the reasons of sinking Baltic Index is an increase in the supply of cargo ships. The tightness od the global freight market at the peak of the boom in 2008 led to a sruge in shipbuilding which, allowing for a 2-3 year lag between commissioning and delivery, saw a marked acceleration in capacity from 2010 onwards.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:01 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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What we need is a cash for clunker cargo ships stimulus asap! [/sarc]

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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"Don't forget that one of the reasons of sinking Baltic Index is an increase in the supply of cargo ships. The tightness od the global freight market at the peak of the boom in 2008 led to a sruge in shipbuilding which, allowing for a 2-3 year lag between commissioning and delivery, saw a marked acceleration in capacity from 2010 onwards."

Yeah... so... it's been 4 years now. That argument is getting old.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment stopcpdotcom
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The Baltic Dry is simply back to its pre-2003 level where it had been for years.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment pursueliberty
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Yes, and so should everything else.

Iron ore is on its way there. 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment AvoidingTaxation
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Bullish!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment DavidC
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That should mean it will now proceed to ramp up to 1430 in the next 3-4 years like the S&P has done.

DavidC

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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The number of man .. Bullish

Nero trade on.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment Mitch Comestein
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Time to break the lows set in the 90's.  That's what bubble lows do!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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China's August auto sales growth falls to 3.7 percent as economic slowdown deepens

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinas-auto-sales-growth-falls-104327634.h...

 

As the slwodown crushes Australian expors, watch the RBA move toward ZIRP to prop up it's Bursting Housing Bubble.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment Judge Arrow
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a visit to the port of long beach:6 oil tankers from alaska lazily draining away; two container ships docked and transferring; a zillion cars from Japan gathering dust on an endless tarmac; dozens and dozens of container transfer cranes idle; endless docks and piers empty, one intermodal train takes off in six hours; further up the tracks, Union Pacific has over 80 locomotive units sidelined in its primary staging yard (the yard engines bring the consist from the port up to this point and engines are assigned based on the consists) and in another sector, Warren's BNSF  has cranes busy yanking intermodal flat cars off the tracks and racking them vertically in a yard the size of fifty walmart parking lots. Up the way in San Pedro nothing moves and not a ship on the horizon. The only activity is at the nearby prison, where new construction is always a feature.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Very well written. Someone is going to write the modern Grapes of Wrath.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment bushwarcrime
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Judge, skip the embellishment and tell us how it really is....thanks...really

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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I'm doing my part- not buying shit except bare essentials and siphoning my $ off from the bank and its .05% jumbo MMA interest rate. although I am eyeing up a Made-in-the US Sig 556.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Grifter
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Absofreakinglutely love my SIG556, and that's being stuck in NY where I could only get my hands on the SCM configuration.  Hoping you get one, you'll love it.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Oldrepublic
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http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/08/0731/PIERS.html

Can Judge Arrow confirm this somewhat dated report regarding the enormous amounts of US exports of Junk?

US container exports still dominated by junk-scrap paper and scrap metal and bulk commodities

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Judge Arrow
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Yes, maybe even more so - containers are most often empty returns to Asia, or full ones with value added goods routed by train from Europe across US to the west coast ports and on to Asia - grain and coal is about it from the US - mostly up in Seattle/Portland area - lumber goes out of Canada - what little does.  Pitiful to see big ticket items coming in here and garbage going out. This will only increase, by state mandate, by the by. But it is all now but a trickle. The Grinch as i recall took the last crumb from Whoville and California has the distinct air of drowsy seaside equatorial port:aimless, corrupt, and robbed to the last farthing. Grinched.

 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Jason T
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price this thing in gold on the same chart and you'll see the utter distrcution of globalization.

First act of congress was tarriffs on cheap slave wage british made goods.

 

America wanted to become self sufficient and not dependent on britain's trade empire,

 

Am bullish on self suffiiciency!

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Crabshacker
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The Devil is always in the details...

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Venerability
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I have no opinion on whether The Bell at Satan's Bottom has already rung - one thinks it has, but you can't be sure.

But unless you are avidly hoping for Apocalypse Very Soon - which most sane human beings are not - this is probably close enough to a bottom to buy the group.

No other group is as sensitive to world growth, positive or negative, as the Tankers. 

So when the world economy has been "down so long, it looks like up to me," this is THE group to put into your piggy bank for the inevitable Next Boom.

Other groups are Cyclical. This group is Super-Cyclical. 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Panafrican Funk...
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"inevitable Next Boom"

Won't happen absent consumer disposable income + debt availability.  These things are necessary conditions for a next boom.  Not holding my breath.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 23:31 | Link to Comment Venerability
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Gosh! If you are that Bearish on the World Economy FOREVER, I think you have only two alternatives:

Form a Mad Max-like motorcycle gang and roam around marauding - which, granted, might be fun.

Or get together with fellow PermaBears, launch your own space shuttle, and colonize another planet. In which case, Bon Voyage - please send a postcard.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment atomicwasted
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Peezle Ward's "Escape from Satan's Ass". 

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment walküre
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Without a debt jubilee and a complete reset, GROWTH as you once knew it will NEVER EVER come back.

It's absolutely impossible. This includes China or any other supposedly booming nation which is supposed to pick up the slack of the consumer dinosaurs in North America and Europe.

Poster Judge Arrow above painted the true picture of trade activities at the ports.

Baltic Dry Index is DOWN significantly because that is WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD or rather Bernanke's failed policies make a FACE PLANT.

Mon, 09/10/2012 - 18:16 | Link to Comment RiskAverseAlertBlog
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Hyperinflationary breakdown of the physical economy in pictures.

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