Will Goldman Be MF Global's Executioner With Terminal Collateral Calls, As Yields Explode?

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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:39 | 1812409 winter is coming
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great name for GS: The Executioner.... 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:45 | 1812452 trav7777
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GS has been a bigger predator on the Street for some time.  Surely they have made a lotta enemies and they better not find themselves gettin caught slippin

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:52 | 1812487 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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GS at $100 per, and the industry still has further to fall.

Slippin'?  You bet.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:40 | 1813056 knukles
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Classic Goldman.  You leave the fold, are no longer of service (as in public service benefitting Goldman) you get eaten.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:11 | 1812605 Executioner
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Hey I've nothing to do with that!
But my axe is available if there's a cause.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:52 | 1812817 SpeakerFTD
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This is my second direct experience with a balance sheet blowup, and I am beginning to wonder if there is not something more to this than mere stupidity.

UBS, prior to 2006, had a pretty nice clean balance sheet.  I'm not sure about the exact timeline, but around then, they started a prop group and brought in a prop team.   This team basically loaded up on MBS, which anyone in the market new were trading pretty rich, especially since plenty of people had already noticed the cracking in the RE market.   Nonetheless, these guys went in huge and filled the balance sheet with this paper.  I think it was late 2007, but may have been early 2008, they took a huge loss on the paper, one of the canaries in the upcoming MBS disaster.   Severely impaired the bank, and all the jackasses who had been buying this paper left with gigantic golden parachutes, while shareholders (and employees) got stung for size.

Now we have MF, which until Corzine arrived was a simple broker shop with a cash cow business and a sterling balance sheet.   As part of his makeover, Corzine adds a prop group, and what do they buy?   Sovereign European debt and plenty of it.    Sovereign debt implodes, and they are toast.   They don't have the equity value to support the paper, and their ability to raise capital is probably zero, so shareholders are destroyed, employees will take a hit, if not altogether be out of a job, and yet again, Corzine (and preumably his prop team) are protected with golden chutes.

Now, perhaps these are cases of mere stupidity by really bad, if somehow very senior, traders and risk managers.  But somebody was on the other side of these trades, gleefully unloading this paper on companies, that previously, had beautiful balance sheets.   The seller gets out of risk that is preparing to crumble, the buyers (as in the actual traders) are able to walk away with full pockets, and the losses are borne by people with little or no knowledge of the transaction.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 13:32 | 1813234 tarsubil
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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 13:32 | 1813245 tarsubil
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Corzine used to work for GS! And people think Corzine works for them. Tarsubil.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:39 | 1812410 Motley Fool
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Finish him! :D

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:05 | 1812565 Jay Gould Esq.
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"Then on the morrow, you shall receive your purification."

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:41 | 1812417 Careless Whisper
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Will Goldman Be MF Global's Executioner With Terminal Collateral Calls, As Yields Explode?


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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:41 | 1812418 FranSix
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Sad to see that MF Global, one of the brokerages that traded CFDs, contracts for difference, is strung up by the Dodd-Frank posse.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:01 | 1812544 Snidley Whipsnae
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Interesting research on hedge funds... Monkeys do well picking winners... Or, monkeys do no worse than Harvard/Stanford grads with MBAs...

"I have just finished reading a paper produced by Benoit Dewaele and Hugues Pirotte of the Universite Libre de Bruxelles (the Brussels Free University in Belgium), and Nils Tuchschmid and Erik Wallerstein of the Geneva School of Business Administration in Switzerland. The paper is here.

They studied a broad sample of 1,300 funds-of-funds from 1994 through 2009, and analyzed just how much value they actually created.

Their core finding? When you strip out the fees, just 22% deliver any “alpha,” or risk-adjusted investment gains, at all.

And most of those gains came from the underlying hedge-fund indices, rather than from picking the right individual managers.

How many actually added value by picking the right managers, and avoiding the wrong ones?

According to the study, just 5.7%. That’s right. After deducting fees, just one fund in 20 actually added risk-adjusted returns above those of the underlying hedge-fund indices.

You couldn’t make it up.

Nearly half of all Fund of Hedge Fund managers, the academics report, delivered “negative after-fees alpha when benchmarked against the hedge-fund indices.” In other words they couldn’t even keep up with the index."


Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:15 | 1812630 FranSix
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Yeah, but you'd need a posse of monkeys.

What happened was that all of the online brokerages trading in CFDs were suddenly shut down, because they mostly traded solely in price contracts on commodities without any delivery.  And I think it also has to do with FX trades as well.

So you have individual traders writing derivative price contracts and trading them online.  This is outlawed in the United States, the only country that disallowed the practise, because this meant that traders could challenge the commercial banking monopoly whose source of funds were HFT and derivatives trades.

Dodd Frank is an example of how a law passed in the U.S. might affect trading around the world, even when it has no jurisdiction.

So you have MF Global, but there's also Interactive Brokers and such-like that are affected by this law.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:50 | 1812807 Hot Apple Pie
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Yes, but *my* manager is in that 5%, he told me so...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:41 | 1812421 GeneMarchbanks
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Corzine is a bastard.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:42 | 1813061 knukles
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Cadillac Communist.  Bazillionare Limosine Liberal preying on the peasantry.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:51 | 1813091 kito
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First he blows up new jersey, and now this......

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:43 | 1812422 lolmao500
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EU Leaders May Give Guarantees to Banks: Draft

European Union governments may give guarantees to banks seeking funding in order to avoid a credit crunch and to keep them lending to the economy, according to a draft statement from EU leaders who meet in Brussels on Wednesday evening.

The statement also said there was "broad agreement" on bolstering the capital ratio of banks to 9 percent after taking into account the market worth of their sovereign debt holdings, but it gave no overall figure for recapitalising EU banks.



It's heating up in Italy...


Italian deputies exchanged blows in parliament on Wednesday as tensions over a tough economic reform programme came to a head.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:41 | 1812424 The Axe
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As I predicted yesterday..Johnny fucking email Corzine ruins another thing on planet earth....of course i was short..thanks douche.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:43 | 1812437 lizzy36
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Jon Corzine has never been the same since he went away for the weekend and Hank Paulson staged a coup of Goldman from his car.

Alas, he will probably walk away with around $10m for less than 18 months work. Not bad.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:52 | 1812489 Hansel
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Here's a 1 minute video of Corzine on CNBC in June talking about how excited he is about the future,


Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:30 | 1812718 sheeple2012
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Hope he is wearing his seat-belt for this crash....

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:44 | 1812440 johngaltfla
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Boomstick, bitchez.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:49 | 1812471 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Ladies and gentlemen, Elvis has left the building.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:44 | 1812443 azzhatter
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Didn't take Corzine long to blow this fucker up

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:45 | 1812448 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Who's buying FSLR?  Leo, is that you?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:45 | 1812451 pendragon
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jon corzine, midas touch...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:54 | 1812828 TruthHunter
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Midas reversed is Sadim.

Thats where everything thats Gold(man) turns to shit when you touch it.



Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:46 | 1812459 midgetrannyporn
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...the need to recognize losses on certain bilateral over- the-counter and off-balance sheet transactions.

Well we certainly wouldn't want that. </sarcasm>

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:47 | 1812461 Peter K
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Plus: MBA UofC

Minus: DemoCommieNazi.

Ouff with his 'ead:)

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:50 | 1812477 Laughinggrizzley
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I wonder if Jon Corzine, being this incompetent, qualifies him for the Treasury Sec?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:06 | 1812555 Pegasus Muse
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He's a shoo in if he gets caught cheating on his taxes.  

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:58 | 1812849 LongBallsShortBrains
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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:19 | 1812971 Reese Bobby
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Taking wild risk with other people's capital with no downside to yourself is not "incompetent."

I'd cede irresponsible at best, and evil at worst.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:58 | 1812520 Dr. Engali
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Poor poor Corzine, couldn't have happened to a better guy. Well maybe Blankfein, Vikrim Pandit, Jamie Dimon,John Mack....the list goes on. Maybe it will happen to them all. One can only dream.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:00 | 1812859 LongBallsShortBrains
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Your post went from bad to great! Made me lol. Thanks!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:58 | 1812521 disabledvet
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There's something for all those yield hungry investors I tell ya! With treasury yields on the 10 around 2...who can resist the power of the six?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:06 | 1812571 halflink123
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40 to 1 (but hopefully not) taxpayer-funded put leverage. WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!  What a ride that must be!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:06 | 1812577 twotraps
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Ixn't ths the chart pattern we should be seeing for banks in the US??  Fed has to love that they are struggling cause they can say they don't play favorites and the mkt function still exists.  Have a yard sale, let someone else pick your shit for cheap and get out of the way.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:10 | 1812602 jesusonline
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MF's taking more beating today, down 35%. Man they desperately need some good news out of Europe ("good" as "good for banks" ofc :)

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:11 | 1812609 defn8Dog
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Never underestimate a cephalopod.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:13 | 1812616 Mister Potato Head
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Corzine, Paulson, Gupta! It's a hard environment to make money when money isn't free! Goldman alumni curse? What's in the water?



Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:14 | 1812621 danv777
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doesn't JC Flowers own a bunch of MF

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:15 | 1812948 Reese Bobby
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Flowers has a guardian incubus.  Barely missed LBO'ing Sallie Mae.  Another PE genius...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:22 | 1812984 banksterhater
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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:23 | 1812988 slaughterer
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Don't look now, but GS is outperforming the financial sector today.  One hell of an executioner: MF was great news for GS: now they have a mini-AIG to feed on. 

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:37 | 1813042 Steroid
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What does MF stand for?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:38 | 1813047 SpeakerFTD
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Man Financial

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 13:14 | 1813172 Steroid
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Thank you.

I would have guessed something else.

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