Will Hungary Be The Next Iceland? PM Orban: "Hungarians Will Not Live As Foreigners Dictate"

Tyler Durden's picture

When it comes to being a NWO debt slave, one can accept their fate demurely and bent over, like a conditionally habituated dog electroshocked into perpetual submission just as the banker elites like it, with threats that the world would end the second one dared to change the status quo (see Greece), or one can do something about being a debt slave. Like Iceland. And then rapidly proceed to be the best performing economy in Europe. And reading some of the latest news out of Hungary, which has to count its lucky stars is not stuck in the inflexible nightmare that is the mercantilist Eurocurrency union, gives us hope that we may soon witness the next sovereign rebellion against the banker yoke. The WSJ reports: "Hungary's premier fired a new broadside in the country's running battle of wills with the European Union, saying that Hungarians should be free to make their own laws without interference from Brussels.  Speaking to a large crowd of supporters celebrating the anniversary of a 19th-century Hungarian revolt against Austrian rule, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said: "Hungarians will not live as foreigners dictate." This has promptly generated the anticipated response from European unelected dictator Barroso, who minutes ago said that Hungary's Orban doesn't get democracy. Oh, we think he does. What he doesn't seem to get, or like, is existence in a banker-governed technocratic, klepto-fascist state, in which the peasantry is merely an intermediary vessel for asset confiscation by insolvent banks. Like Greece... which however already is the butt of all jokes of personal submission to a foreign oppressor, so there is no dignity in kicking a dog that is down.

Why is Orban angry with the EU?

Mr. Orban's sharp words came amid tensions between Budapest and the EU, which is pressuring Hungary to change laws on its central bank, judiciary and data privacy that the group says violate its rules.


EU ministers also voted this week to suspend development funds for Hungary next year unless the country adopts new measures to trim its budget deficit. Hungary insists the country is on track to meet its EU-mandated targets.


The European Commission for Democracy through Law, a legal advisory panel better known as the Venice Commission is expected to issue Friday an opinion on the independence of the judiciary under Hungary's new constitution.

What is ironic, is that even this potentially faux statement of defiance, is peanuts compared to how the people really think. Does anyone wonder why the death of "democratic" Europe would be a referendum? Simple - the people are sick of living in the feudal middle ages, only this time instead of a lord, the person in charge is a CEO of a local insolvent bank..d

About a mile from Mr. Orban's rally in front of the country's neo-Gothic parliament building, an opposition protest drew tens of thousands of Hungarians angry with Mr. Orban and his Fidesz party's legislative agenda.


The demonstration was organized by the group One Million for the Hungarian Freedom of the Press, commonly known as Milla. Speakers called on the government to guarantee media freedom and observe EU norms.


Mr. Orban's government wants "complete political and economic control," said Andras Magyar, a 61-year-old pensioner who joined the protest. "I'm very unhappy about the injustice now, the development of a dictatorial system."


Mr. Orban and his supporters dismiss criticism of the new constitution, which they say protects Hungarian values while complying with EU standards.


"We are going to protect the constitution, which is our security for the future," Mr. Orban said Thursday, to applause. He said Hungary doesn't need the "unsolicited assistance of foreigners wanting to guide our hands."


Mr. Orban's speech offered no detailed, direct comments on the points of contention between Budapest and Brussels. But he did allude to central bank independence, which the EU and IMF have said must be insured before they will start talks on a precautionary loan Hungary wants.

Naturally, Europe merely wants every impression of defiance squashed: after all Germany hasn't funded all those current account deficits with €550+ billion in money it was never again see via the Buba just so these slaves can go ahead and revolt.

The EU is insisting, among other things, that Hungary change the oath of office for central bankers to reflect their role as part of an EU-wide central-bank system.


Mr. Orban's speech captured a sense of national grievance shared by many Hungarians unhappy that the prosperity they aspired to when they joined the EU has been smothered by a mountain of household and public debt.

As for the best summary of how Hungary feels right now?

One person in the crowd held a sign reading: "Colonization: 1956 Soviet Tanks, 2012 Western Banks."

The only question remaining: how much longer will the status quo dangle the carrot of a "solvent" welfare socialist state when at this point everyone knows Europe, and the entire developed world is broke. Curious how pensions will fare when reality comes crashing down? Why take a look at the 80% haircut in the Greek pension system. And then consider that Greece has a first mover advantage. The sad truth is that very soon several hundred million European, and Americans, will realize that the social safety net everyone had taken for granted, and thanks to which nobody dared to revolt, has been long-plundered.

What then?

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Ruffcut's picture

I heard last week they had some issues. Who does'nt. You can't think they would be left out.

nope-1004's picture

Hungary's Orban doesn't get democracy.

LOL.  Banksters are so full of lies, unbelievable.  And those protests, well I'm sure the bankster cartel hired anit-Orban protesters to stage these types of events, hoping to sway public opinion.  US gov't did it in Egypt and Libya.  It's the best way to win popular opinion in todays vast mobile media network amongst the masses:  Stage a protest, pay the protesters, to sway public opinion when mass media covers it.

People of the world have blinders on, as illuminati theft continues unabated.


Ahmeexnal's picture

And while Hungarians are wide awake about the reality facing the world, what are their western european counterparts doing?

Lining up by the millions to buy the new iPad:

When the SHTF, the eurosheeple will have to trade in their iPads....for kneepads.

Mountainview's picture

Brussels would only be too happy to appoint a Monti/Papademos for Hungary. An administrator for Budapest. Democracy is only for the rich

and Syria...

caconhma's picture

Magyars= Hungarians are great people with great history and traditions.

They were only one who twice bravely fought Soviet invaders in 1945 and 1956. In 1945, few hundred thousands Red Army soldiers were killed storming Budapest.

Then in 1956, Hungarians fought against Jewish commissars appointed by Stalin and Soviet invaders. How, Hungarians will be in front fighting the International Jewish Banking Mafia. God help them!

Zero Govt's picture

Hungarian politicians are about as rotten as they come

But if it's a choice of being robbed by your own and robbed by the banking Eurocrat kind you just gotta go with the home team ..everytime

Ghordius's picture

Yes, the issue with the direct political control of the Hungarian CB is quite debatable. Historically, europeans have a preference for CBs not under the direct political control of the government. Orban wants to be PM and chief-of-the-printing-press in one.

But the issue with the Hungarian Parliament changing their Constitution with the new "SuperLaws" is a serious one. The Constitution mentioned above is the new-with-superlaws, not the old one.

What they have done is against all agreements inside the EU and it's implications for the human and political rights of the Hungarian Citizens are appalling. The opposition is really trying to get this point across - free speech is also impacted, just to explain this to everybody.

Soon the opposition media might only operate from outside of Hungary.

Don't kid yourself, this Hungarian Government is on the verge of sliding into fascism, the real one. And, quite typical of fascism, it's claiming to protect the citizenship from the predatory Money-Lords.

Whoever wrote this article might regret in future to have focussed on the debt/CB view only.

1 Peng?'s picture

Normally I like what you write, but I think on Hungary you read a bit too much derSpiegel, FT and NYT (I know from your earlier posts that you also know some Hungarians). You seem to have firm views about the constitution, but I guess you haven't seen it (I had a look and it's pretty hogwash, but the good news is that the previous one was also useless and we anyway don't care that much about the constitution in Hungary, - I am sorry, this must be shocking for a German).

Hungary to become fascist? I doubt it: Hungarians are not apt for that. They generally don't respect any authority and are very bad in following rules. It's like herding cats. It won't work and PM Orban knows this very well. His current popularity is not based on authority, but on his 'braveness' to say the truth to the big dogs. that's what Hungarians seem to like, even if it makes their standard of living worse. 

Regarding CB and media independence, the problem is (beyond that most of what you read in MSM is false) that these are still bastions of the previous opposition, impeding the democratically elected government to govern in this difficult situation. In the ideal world which may be the reality in Germany, these should be independent.

Nevertheless, private media is as free as ever in Hungary (check out the websites that i mention below to confirm), in the public part of the media, I would agree that there are clumsy attempts to make it government friendly, - but i think it's mission impossibe to achieve with above mentioned sceptical cats of Hungarians (which is, of course, good)  

So instead of fascism in Hungary, you should rather worry that this government succeeds, because the hope of many decent people is in them.

Ghordius's picture

thanks. I definitely read too much news nowadays - I do try hard to filter the spin and the propaganda out but I'm human too.

I know Hungary only from the dozen trips I've made since the curtain fell and the two before that and I agree, irreverent cats is apt! ;-)

I also had a look - my worry is more on the technicality of having what amounts to changes to the const. by a supermajority of parliament - I am a supporter of parliamentarism, but the rules around the constitutions should differ more from the rules around the normal lawmaking.

Let me put it this way: constitutions are not important - until they desperately are. They are worth cherishing.

Not a German, btw! Please, I mean "on the verge of becoming fascist" - as a "danger point" and not as a foregone conclusion. A "tipping point" that requires fortitude.

1. Having a bastion of the opposition in the media (even when they are bloody socialists), IMHO, is not bad for a country and keeps this gov in check. Either people are guillible and can be manipulated by the media or they don't - a PM of a democratic republic has to have a thick skin and has to be critizised by someone - in TV.

2. If a PM claims he can't govern because of too much socialist rabble-rousing against his policies then perhaps it's time to thank him for his sterling service to the nation and have the next one on the job. This kind of feelings are often a sign of staleness. I know he does not say that but his supporters should not suggest this, too.

3. Having the gov making clumsy attempt of making the media more gov-friendly is worth a small international slap on the wrist.

4. Having a parliament making constitutional changes without a clear delegation to it is worrisome to me. Referendums or elected Constitutional Conventions would make me less worried. Technically, the changes are outside of the parameters of the EU. Really necessary?

Let me make an analogy: Italy & Berlusconi (I've posted here in ZH my support of him, btw). At the moment I don't see Orban very far from Berlusconi's media power attitude. But the media aspect is one aspect where Berlusconi strayed from the "perfect path". Alone, it was ok. Well, then came the girls, too... But Berlusconi did not also attempt to make the currency more political and change the constitution. This worries me.

And then comes the currency. Remember how politically important his commitment in fighting inflation was? I cheered when the CHF fix decision came - though it is a dangerous path. Authority is good - depending on the dosis and the occation - but it's a powerful drug, too,

Don't get me wrong, I do hope this government succeeds. I just hope they keep being a much better option than the socialists (urgh).

1 Peng?'s picture

Thanks and first of all, sorry for guessing your nationality wrongly!

One thing I like in the new constitution is that it was made by a democratically elected parliament, as opposed to the previous one which was a Soviet heritage, boosted by some naive ideas, like everyone has the right to live in a nice place (but in practise it didn't keep great masses to become homeless in the 90ies). I think it was no secret in Hungary, that if Fidesz gets a 2/3 majority, they will rewrite the playbook (the opposition intentionally didn't participate in this process, because they were working on their strategy to make Orban look like a dictator and come back to power on the shoulders of the EU/IMF, instead of Soviet tanks, - clever chaps they are, they knew the weakness of Orban that he will always call one more card on 19). And, BTW, so far the EU haven't had any legal complaint (infringement case) about the new contitution itself (i.e. there is political barking about it, but it seems, legally it's not 'outside the EU parameters') 

The problem with the media is that it's still very biased against the government (even the state media is not really gov. friendly, but closer to neutral). A biased media (in any direction) cannot be good for the country, so I think it needs further rebalancing, so that people can get closer to finding out what's really going on. Of course, the government will not be able to change this setup and I should agree with you that it's probably better not to even try it.



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GeneMarchbanks's picture

Luckily, rhetoric doesn't equal reality otherwise Barry's mouthgarbage would make sense.

Esperanza Y Cambio's picture

It's a shame that Hungary didn't get on the Euro before running out of money. They'd be treated like royalty ... please don't default! Please don't default! Please! We beg you!

jus_lite_reading's picture

YES! I heard about this on Tuesday and it gave me goose bumps thinking that they are waking up!!! 

i-dog's picture

Indeed. First glimmer of hope (for the world) that I've heard all year. If the European Union falls apart before the US is taken down, then the NWO have lost.

Ghordius's picture

Now you have made me curious and by now you might believe me that I'm seriously interested in your POV.

Please explain it in more details, what kind of scenarios would open if the EU falls apart?

I mean: what exactly would change for the average US citizen? The dollar would have a longer lifespan?

kito's picture

you might be reminded that the nwo have already been defeated in south america. they carry almost zero influence there now. south america, led by the likes of rafael corrrea of ecuador, created a united front and broke the chains of the imf and world bank. it can be done in hungary as it was done in south america................


viva libertad!!!!!

GoinFawr's picture

!! It is becoming more and more apparent that you sir, regardless of your deflationary 'episodes', are capable of making some excellent observations.

IBelieveInMagic's picture

Don't get your hopes up. Once the bankers go to work behind the scenes, all this rhetoric will be shown to be what it is...

i-dog's picture

Interesting that Hungary has only ever had 3 attendees at Bilderberg: Lamfalussy (General Manager, BIS), Surányi (President, National Bank of Hungary), and Bokros (advisor, World Bank). None of the senior politicians have attended ... an oversight on Bilderberg's part, or a rejection by Hungarians? :-)

Zero Govt's picture

Hungary is pretty poor ..their lowly ranking at Bilderberg reflects the low value of national money available to be raped and thieved by international bwanking

Mongo's picture

Hungarians will live as the elite dictates...

Raging Debate's picture

The Hungarians are a special breed of people that revolt and ignore the consequences. The Soviets starved several million to death (1/4 of their population) and still gave them the finger. The empire of clay and iron won't dissuade the Hungarians from independence.

They are worlds different than docile Americans that rob each other. As an American we are learning the hard way of passivity when it comes to government. After 1,000+ years of invasions resistance seems baked into their DNA.

GoinFawr's picture

Remember 2006 remembering 1956

1 Peng?'s picture

very flattering to me as a Hungarian (and as descendant of freedom fighters, as recently as my grandfathers), but I doubt that it's in our genes

i think it's rather just about being at the bad place at the bad time. Hungarians had the (un)luck to get unbearable injustices too many times in history, so when that point comes, they revolt

your numbers about starvation deaths are too high (maybe it was another country, like the Ukraine?). i guess it was rather a couple of ten thousands in the early 50ies in Hungary (?)  

the big massacres were during and after the two WWs

after '56 many people (0,5-1 million?) emigrated, which is a great loss for a small country (but revolution deaths in '56-57 were I gues  'only' a couple of thousands)

Zero Govt's picture

i visit Budapest a few times a year and interesting the small shops only accept cash now, the credit card fees are extortinate

Isn't it 'strange' banks don't have an inter-bank system for credit cards but choose to funnel all transactions throguh those 2 architects of bubble consumerism (debt slavery), Visa and Mastercard ..it would be cheaper direct than adding these 2 global monopolist middle-men

bank to bank versus

bank to Visa/Mastercard to bank

weird they don't cut the costs/crooks out

the Monopolist Matrix commission cutting global and national consumers ..hope Hungarian banks find their own system/independence like Iran will now have to cut out of the SWIFT system

Conrad Murray's picture

You squids and morgue workers that read these articles better take them to heart. When the time comes, "I was just doing my job", won't mean a damn thing. Your throats will be cut just as swiftly as those of your bosses.

Vampyroteuthis infernalis's picture

Someday in the future, anyone with the title of executive, banker, politician, or lawyer will be viewed suspiciously. People are sick of seeing d-bags drive off in BMWs from their mansions while they go hungry. How long before the masses awake? I don't know.

bigkahuna's picture

these guys don't understand that.

Escapeclaws's picture

I'm sure they're quaking in their boots at your tough words.

LowProfile's picture


Your throats will be cut just as swiftly as those of your bosses.

Don't be so bloodthirsty.

I vote we force them to work in fast food for life.


"Would you like fries with that?"

"...Why yes Mr. Dimon, I would like fries with that.  Thank you very much."

DaveyJones's picture

so go long plundered?

jover's picture

I had no idea that the people in Hungary we're smarter than those over here.

They seem to get it that the western banks are true oppressors.

frenchie's picture

eastern europe nations might have some clues as from experience we know that bolshevism is a jewish idea and "pseudo bankster democratic capitalism" is also a jewish idea

Masonic jews and bankers from NYC funded the red revolution by giving gold to Trotski

Marx and Rotschild are just two faces of the same coin

GeneMarchbanks's picture

'Marx and Rotschild are just two faces of the same coin'

They indeed are not, but thanks for simplifying.

Treeplanter's picture

The German govt funded Lenin as part of taking Russia out of the war. Lenin was not a Jew.  Ranting against Jews is a sure sign of stupidity and ignorance. 

viahj's picture

how many generations of "purity" do you require to be classified as non-jewish?

i-dog's picture

Lenin's maternal grandfather was a Jew. Lenin's Jewish ancestry is discussed in detail in Oxford University historian Robert Service's biography, Lenin (Harvard University Press, 2000). See also: "Lenin: Jewish roots of a revolutionary," by Zev Ben-Shlomo, Jewish Chronicle, London, April 21, 1995


DaveyJones's picture

makes sense, people in europe have had a little more time living under corrupt structures

frenchie's picture

there is also an issue because the new Hungarian Constitution explicitely refers to Christian roots and life protection from womb till natural death

and this is against the NWO agenda... btw this point is relevant with respect to the other post here about lost principles and social desctruction

Steroid's picture

The reason for cutting funds is the high (3%) government deficit. For god' sake, this is the lowest in Europe.

However, probably the biggest real issue is whether the president of the Hungarian National Bank woukl be required to take an oath on the Hungarian constitution.

tocointhephrase's picture

Viva Hungary! And you can take that to the morgue you bunch of zombie half life scum bag muppets! 


trentusa's picture

This is the type of hard-hitting honest journalism wrapped up in a colorful metaphor hidden sorta in a simile- or whatever. This is why I love and will never cease to support this website. God bless ZH Tyler & this community.

existence in a banker-governed technocratic, klepto-fascist state, in which the peasantry is merely an intermediary vessel for asset confiscation by insolvent banks.

Wise man sayeth: As it just so happens, ships are parked in the Boston harbor with crates of Grey Goose prepped for tossage overboard as we speak.   :-)

Legolas's picture

If Iceland can break free from the bankers, so can Hungary, and all the rest of world.  The problem is there is a shortage of Red Pills.


NorthPole's picture

Dont get your hopes too high. While I certainly wish them all the bast, Hungary is a small, indebted country and IMHO will be easy to pacify. Just impose some trade sanctions, withhold all EU subsidies and watch Orban's ratings plummet when he can't pay pensions on time. Orban's own sheep will overthrow him.

dick cheneys ghost's picture

bankers and tankers..........MIC threatened congress 2 days ago....bankers on a daily basis....


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