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This Is Your Country On Fat: Presenting 14 Years Of Exponential American Obesity

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A week ago we had the displeasure of reminding America that in 8 years three quarters of the population will be obese. We said that "many forget that a much more serious long term issue for the US (assuming anyone cares what happens in the long run) is a far more ominous secular shift in US population - namely the fact that everyone is getting fatter fast, aka America's "obesity epidemic." And according to a just released analysis by BNY ConvergEx' Nicholas Colas, things are about to get much worse, because as the OECD predicts, by 2020 75% of US the population will be obese. What this implies for the tens of trillions in underfunded healthcare "benefits" in the future is all too clear." Subsequently, The Atlantic decided to do a follow up on what it titled "The True Cost Of Unwalkable Streets" in which author Kain Benfield says: "Perhaps the single most alarming public health trend in the United States today is the dramatic rise in the number of people who are overweight and obese, bringing serious risks of heart disease, diabetes and other consequences leading to life impairment and premature death. This is bad enough as it is, but I contend that it is particularly unfortunate that we do not sufficiently recognize the extent to which these trends are caused by environmental factors, particularly the shape of our built environment."

Alas, resorting to the traditional American pastime of assigning meaningless blame when faced with a probem of epic proportions, instead of attempting to proactively resolve it, is about as expected as that of the four people around you, three will be, quite soon, morbidly fat. Because no matter who, why, when or where the obesity epidemic started, it won't end until the US welfare state is, pardon the pun, sucked dry (see "Welfare - the Great Delusion"). And if ordinary American citizens are shocked by how little Wall Streeters and politicians have changed their behvaiour, they would be speechless if only they looked in the mirror.

So while we don't have quite the suitable reflective device, here is a chart that should do the trick, coming from the same Atlantic piece. If this doesn't get one to rush out and scarf down the local (within 10 kcal or under walking distance) $0.99 McSomthing meal, nothing will.

Lastly, while the partisan bickering over whether Jeff Sessions is right or not in his estimate of a $17 trillion addition of Obamacare to future unfunded liabilities, goes on we wonder... Seriously? Because supposedly while $82 trillion in future unfunded liabilities is perfectly ok, $99 trillion is obviously a partisan hack to derail the great American plot to eat itself to death? Or something.

Instead of encouraging and enabling Americans to believe that any and every health-related issue they develop (of which the bulk originate from simply eating far too much, such as scarfing down on sugar, sugar and more sugar - which just happens to be the topic of tonight's 60 minutes), will be dealt with on someone else's dime, we have another suggestion: offer every American $100 for every pound they lose until they get to just below their ideal weight, and offer them a further $1000 each year to stay below that weight. Total cost: a tiny fraction of whatever Obamacare would cost, and the future benefits to one's credit card, to social healthcare outflows, and to society in general, would be unmeasurable.

And for those who missed it, here is 60 minutes on whether sugar is toxic (full transcript here).


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Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:15 | 2308489 Boilermaker
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Anecdotal Evidence Bitchez!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:15 | 2308494 BudFox2012
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Actually, the current figures are wrong.  You see, everyone put on extra weight before they hibernated for winter.  But since the winter was so warm, no one needed all that extra fat.  So if we seasonally adjust these numbers, you will see we actually all lost weight, and that there is no epidemic of obesity.  In fact, I am bullish weight loss stocks for the next year.


Jim Cramer

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:32 | 2308548 Everyman
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Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:14 | 2308841 Vic Vinegar
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TOTALLY!  Worthy of a Lady Gaga video!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:19 | 2308658 nmewn
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There's nothing wrong with Jenny Craig!!!

Jim Krammer

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:16 | 2308500 tmosley
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Americans eat little to no sugar.  They eat corn syrup.  And in those inverted sugers is the problem (probably).

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 02:22 | 2308976 TBT or not TBT
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Potatoes, rice, and bread are also loaded with carbohydrates.   Consuming carbohydrates causes insulin production, which causes fat cells to store fat.    As you are alluding here, there are different types of carbohydrates and some are worse than others.   Fructose is handled differently than is maltose(the sugar in beer) or obviously the simplest case of glucose freed from longer chain molecules.    And then there are isomers than the body doesn't handle well if at all.      In any case, too much carbohydrate input caused people to become fat long long before HFCS came onto the market.    Up until the 1960's this was well known.   Starchy foods are fattening.  Cutting back on them, in favor of fattier foods plus less starchy vegetables, permits weight loss.   It still is that simple, even though we now have extremely cheap frankenfoods with bizarre carbohydrate loads in them.    Carbs are uniquely fattening.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:19 | 2308501 Youri Carma
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Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:17 | 2308502 freeasabee1
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ever seen the movie Wall-e, are we really that far off?

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:06 | 2308634 xela2200
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VERY far off. They had somewhere to run off to for a generation or 10.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:18 | 2308504 shovelhead
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They can have my liver after I'm done with it as long as I get my damn jellybeans.

That goes for the rest of ya too. I'll be old and dead soon enough, so get off my jellybeans.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:12 | 2308645 Dr. Engali
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I have to have Skittles. I gave up all junk food except for Skittles. And please .... No taste the rainbow jokes.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 06:38 | 2309076 francis_sawyer
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So ~ you like unicorn shit, huh?

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:26 | 2308510 GeoffreyT
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OK, so two things.

Lustig and Taubes' stuff is gold: it's not the fat, it's the (subsidised) sugar/HFCS. So perhaps a change in the title would be good. Fatties are fat because of (1) fructose; and (2) endocrine disruptors in their environment (BPA, Fluoride, lack of Iodine and Vitamin D3).

Two: fuck BMI. Fuck its ass until it bleeds. Anything based on BMI is as stupid as stock analysis based on the Fed Model.

I'm not saying that because the obesity data for the US (and Oz, and the UK) are wrong - folks are getting fucking lard-assed. But the important thing is to prevent BMI from seeping into actuarial calculations (and therefore affecting insurance premia).

That shit matters - because if insurance premia start to hinge off BMI (and they  fucking will, because actuaries are dumb and reach for the popular stat), it affects folks like me in ways that it shouldn't.

Why? Well, here goes.

I'm a little under 6'2", and 235 lb... thus a BMI of 'obese'. But I also have a resting heart rate under 60, and VO2Max in the mid-40s (46 as of this morning - one 'handle' below my age): that gives me a quantified fitness level about 10% below that of a college athlete.

My father is 70, and has a BMI slightly below obese... but his VO2Max is in the 60's (he can run a Cooper test at 10mph, the old bugger) - above that of all but elite athletes.

Point is, my beloved Dad and I do a shitload of hard work to keep those numbers up - to make sure we stay fit and (more importantly) strong. (Also: nobody wants to look like a marathon runner...  those poor skinny fucks get all kind of stress-related disease).

SO... BMI is as fucking idiotic as Okun's Law, the Phillips Curve/NAIRU, the Fed Model, and any of the other bullshit portmanteau 'one size fits all' metrics that one-dimensional (i.e., dumbYank) thinking generates.

How about some more sensible measure: find X such that {(BMI minus X*(VO2Max + number of dips + number of chinups + number of bench reps with 100% of your own bodyweight)} = 0 .

If X > 0.25, you got some work to do, bitch. If X < 0.2 you're a machine, irrespective of your bullshit BMI. 


Even a fucking actuary could work that shit out.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:28 | 2308533 UP Forester
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If the military went to BMI instead of Height/Weight/Age charts and Neck/Waist measurements for "overweight" folks, there'd be about a Battalion left in the Army, a destroyer's worth of squiddies, a Marine division, and an outhouse worth of Airmen.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:52 | 2308603 GeoffreyT
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Yep - exactly right. (Probably more airmen though - pretty boys don't have to do PT).

I don't reckon my BMI has been below 29 since I was 15, and I got through Army bootcamp and barely had to get out of first gear. (That bootcamp was was 30 years ago this August).

Same's true of my Dad - he went through Army basic at the age of 35 (and did 20 years thereafter) and was never anything other than 'A1' fit: 20 chinups, 5km in under 20 minutes, 120 situps in 2 minutes... tested every year from induction to retirement. His BMI has rarely been below 30.

Today, the Oz .mil no longer uses the same PT test (except for entry into SAS and 3RAR - the parachute regiment) because it's considered too hard. Today all you have to do is 45 situps, 15 pushups, and a bullshit 'beep' test (you only need to get and maintain a '6' on the beep) - no run test whatsoever apart from the beep test.

Back in my day.... oh fuck, I've become one of those guys.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 06:40 | 2309078 francis_sawyer
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Would ya believe a boy scout troop & a girl scout (selling cookies)?

~ Maxwell Smart

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:41 | 2308573 Cathartes Aura
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good infomation, well thought out post, to which I'll just add that the label "obese" was invented to facilitate labelling humans for the pharma-med-insurance world - they like labels so they can pre-scribe their pills - hence your awareness that BMI is just another meaningless labelling technique, rather like the yellow tags livestock wear.

but, other than that - just know these threads are where folks can hang out and talk shit about "other" people, that great amrkn past-time - it's the weakend, fatties and Goldman <3's porn = #winning.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:54 | 2308608 Axenolith
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Great post GT.  I'm around the same area, could stand a bit more activity, but I don't think many "obese" people make it up 14K peaks, (last fall) and there were skinnier guys half my age bailing on the hike at the 1/2 way point. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 02:23 | 2308977 John_Coltrane
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Can you do at least 10 pull-ups (either the easy underhand ones or the more difficult overhand)?  If so, you are certainly not overweight.  Agree that BMI is too broad a definition since body type varies so much.  Exercises against your own weight such as pushups and pullups are a much better measure.

BTW I notice that if I gain even 5 lbs that last pull-up gets a lot more difficult.  So, its a nice feedback test.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 06:42 | 2309083 francis_sawyer
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Congratulations, you just doubled your money!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:26 | 2308526 haskelslocal
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This article was written by a Scientologist Mormon. 

Bologna for all!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:32 | 2308546 GeoffreyT
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Damn... a Scientologist Mormon would be all kinds of fucked up, mentally... do you think someone that retarded would be able to operate a computer?

That's like "Alien Armageddon Meets Magic Underpants": anyone who believed that would have to have some sort of stealth version of Huntington's.

No bologna for me though: if I'm gonna cheat it will be with bacon.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:28 | 2308534 Dr. Engali
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Fattening up the sheep for the slaughter. Fat people can't fight back.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:48 | 2308588 Axenolith
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Dude, I remember when they had the 24 hour fitness billboard in San Francisco with the aliens on it that said "When they come, they will eat the fat ones first".  I about busted a gut when I saw that, it didn't last long either, there was a storm of "sensitivity" protest over it...

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:30 | 2308542 Everyman
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Sheldon: Now remember, you were given powerful pain medication and a muscle relaxer, so don't operate heavy machinery, and try not to choke on your own drool.
*Sheldon is is about to leave.*
Penny: Wait! You have to help me get into bed. (laughs) "Sheldon has to help me get into bed". Bet you thought I'd never say that!
Sheldon: Yes. Charmed, your drug-addled candour knows no bounds.
*Sheldon follows her to her room after shutting the door. He pulls down the covers to help Penny into bed.*
Penny: You know people think you are this weird robot man who's so annoying all the time and you totally are. But then it's like that movie Wall-E at the end. You're so full of love and you can save a plant and get fat people out of their floaty chairs.
Sheldon: Thats a fairly laboured metaphor but I appreciate the sentiment behind it.
Penny: Sing 'Soft Kitty' to me.
Sheldon: 'Soft kitty' is for when you're sick, you're not sick.
Penny: Injured and drugged is a kind of sick.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:31 | 2308543 toadold
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I knew of  a person who was trying to gain body fat.  They figured the McDonalds fish sandwhich was the way to go since it had such a high colorie content for the amount consumed. So they started scarfing them down two meals a day.  They lost weight.  Go figure.  

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:35 | 2308552 gimli
Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:56 | 2308556 Catullus
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I know people are getting fatter (or maybe our clothes just actually are made to fit). But the government has been changing the standard for obesity for years. A lot like how theres an "epidemic" of autism.

Still it is difficult to find good produce in inner cities. And when I worked as a Walmart cashier 10 years ago, everything on the food stamps list was some sort of HFCS or farm lobby pseudo-food. I would bet anything that the rise in obesity is directly correlated with food stamps use. It's not the fast food joints. . It's what's on the approved food stamps list.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:36 | 2308558 Bansters-in-my-...
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Speaking of fat,the 3 fat amigos,Barry,Steven and that mexican dude are going to pow wow in washington tommorow.

You know,that Noth American Leaders Summit.AKA the SPP,with a new name.

The 3 traitors would be more fitting.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:50 | 2308593 xela2200
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Just tax the fat. That is the only thing that politicians seem to come up with right now.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:55 | 2308612 GrinandBearit
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If they can live through the riots, chaos and can find water, the obese people will live longer after the collapse takes place.  Stored bodyfat contains lots of calories/energy.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:49 | 2308947 the tower
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Stored bodyfat also contains all the toxins that you consumed. Once you start burning it off your chances to become seriously ill skyrocket. There's only one way: don't get fat to begin with.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:57 | 2308615 Sathington Willougby
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My kid biked all over the neighborhood today to try to find one kid outdoors to play with (mom's gone, the tv is off until further notice and no video games for bad grades and a bad 'tude).

90 degrees, sunny, not another single fucking kid outdoors.  So I biked, played baseball, shot turtles with a bb gun and swam.  No one around to tell us what we can and can't do.  To hell with work, the life of a medialess eight year old is the life for me.  

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 02:18 | 2308973 Maos Dog
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Innocent turtles?? Why?????

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:58 | 2308616 Magnum
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For years I've tried to tell people that the health insurance issue in this country can't be solved by paperwork mumbo jumbo, as bureaucrats will have you believe.  This nation of fatbodies needs to have a creative get-fit program, that is the only way to bring down the aggregate cost of healthcare.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 21:58 | 2308617 Overpowered By Funk
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Sounds crazy, but maybe we can eat the debt? Thoughts?

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:00 | 2308621 Dr Benway
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It's so crazy, it just might work!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:07 | 2308638 Dr. Engali
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It might go down easier than an iPad.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:10 | 2308643 PolishHammer
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I sure could go for some gorditas right about now.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:22 | 2308664 Waffen
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Its pretty simple.


CHEAP FOOD, is terrible for you.  It is loaded with sugar and has little to zero nutrition.  This destroys your body, makes your body starve and crave more food, which makes the cycle worse.


The problem is the complete lack of quality food at a reasonable price.  As someone posted earlier, when I try to eat healthy, like the average European would it doubles if not triples my food bill.

I have spent the last two years trying to offset this by making more food on my property.


We must all start to grow our own food and eat locally.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:55 | 2308733 Goldilocks
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tru dat. but, try selling / trading it & watch how fast some gov agency oversteps its authoriti.
got milk, bitchez?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:54 | 2308889 Let em push you...
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Well said.  Chew on this, though, do you really think that American grocery stores could sucessfully pass along costs on $10/lb chicken breast or $30/lb NY strip steak, $10/lb hamburger?

Well I wonder what the actual prices would be if healthy ingredients and farming practices were involved (like I'm sure they used to be at some point in the past).  Now the animals are likely fed genetically engineered shit (we're lucky if it's even edible shit at that - probably cottonseed or something) kept in terrible living conditions that spread disease, loaded up with antibiotics, hormones etc. 

I really don't think that your friendly local grocer's business model can exist by selling healthy foods at the corresponding prices.  Regular grocers cater to a rather dumbed-down consumer who would be rioting the second TRUE inflation reared it's ugly head in the meat aisle (or anywhere else).  So instead, they will try to feed us all dog food and pharmaceuticals to keep this ponzi going.  This is just another (even more insidious form) of inflation, similar to the well-known scam of smaller package sizes at the same cost.

[edit] I know that Whole Foods can apparently successfully sell chicken at $10/lb, however at the traditional grocery store in my neighborhood, their attempt at selling more "organic" chicken is a brand that is only "hormone free" and roughly $7.50/lb.  It is on $3 off manager's special EVERY Sunday (no one buys it).

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 07:07 | 2309100 francis_sawyer
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Truth is... 99% have no clue where their food comes from... (Even the self righteous fucks on this thread pontificating about eating natural, vegan, or WTF ever)...

Next farm over is a guy who raises a small herd of Black Angus cattle... Grass fed in a meadow & nothing to speak of with regards to growth hormones... I basically buy sides of beef from him, but I asked him otherwise, where does he sell it?... He said, the butcher sells most of it to the local "Sam's Club"...

So then you get an article on ZH, & everybody turns into a fucking expert...

- You got the vegans (who ~ I'm assuming all have "herbivorous" cow's teeth) saying people shouldn't eat red meat

- You got the fitness junkies saying it's because people don't exercise

- You got the conspiracy theorists saying it's all because of chemtrails, & Monsanto

- You got the "Mensa wannabees" saying it's because people are stupid

- You got Michele Obama blaming it all on Bush

- You got the red staters blaming the fat asses of Oprah & Marie Antionette


If we crunched all this market data into a HFT algo, it would probably come out with the recommendation that one should turn the Fukushima reactor site into a gymnasium & start a local fishery to stay healthy...

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:24 | 2308668 AmazingLarry
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Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:26 | 2308674 lasvegaspersona
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What will the self-righteous thin folks say if an environmental etiology is discovered for the obesity epidemic?

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:42 | 2308708 Dingleberry
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I would eat tons of ice cream, pizza and Mexican food.  Provided of course, it was "environmentally etiologically sound"...(he..he..)

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:21 | 2308784 Dr Benway
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If it were discovered that weight gain could occur despite less calories being consumed than expended, the basic laws of mass and energy would be violated.


We would be able to create perpetual motion machines of fatsos on treadmills, creating more energy than they consume.


All the worlds problems could be solved if the magic you suggest could be real. No more scarcity. Unfortunately this is not so, and you cannot gain mass if you consume less calories than you expend. There is no magic free energy, no obesity conspiracy, nobody else to blame.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:30 | 2308679 q99x2
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It is not that Americans can't keep their mouths shut as much as it is that the agricultural methods to produce more from livestock has transfered into humans. We have become what we ate--livestock!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:33 | 2308682 dolph9
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I'm in healthcare, and let me tell you, when I ask these people what they're eating, how much, how often, etc., they usually can't give me a straight answer, and have to think about it for a long time.

Mindlessness and carelessness.  Eating for eating's sake, waste for waste's sake.  Fiat money and food stamps and "bread and circuses" for all.

Modern America, what a show.

To be fair, America has some of the best athletic infrastructure and outdoors culture in the world.  But it seem to be splitting in two, there's no more middle.  Health conscious people vs. those who don't give a damn.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:40 | 2308701 Dingleberry
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Tru dat....BTW, all you fat bastards (or as we used to say in the Marines, "foxtrot bravos"),  "Man vs. Food" is on for the next few hours....get you a few ideas for dinner maybe.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:39 | 2308700 Born Right the ...
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Have any of you ever had the chance to ride in a model T Ford? I took a neighbor for a ride and she was suprised by how snug the ride was for the two of us.It reminded me of my uncle's favorite saying:

the only good thing about the depression was that there were no fat girls.

There were no obese people back then,as I don't consider bankers people.People had to raise what they ate,did not complain about how much they had,and went to bed hungry. They were more active and ate less calories.I blame sugar and hormone mimicing chemicals.I personally try to eat my veggies,as it is hard to get fat eating out of a garden.But I am not skinny,I promise.Eating out of your own garden may be the answer,as you have to work to raise all that you get to eat.

as for the grain thing,there was a depression era song about eating biscuits and gravy for breakfast, biscuits and gravy for lunch,and to switch it up they had gravy and biscuits for supper.

I live near the southern border and I can tell you that the parents are slim when they get here,but their kids are a walking diabetes factory.They come from a culture that ate differently,and the fructose is killing them slowly.This a serious problem for all people in the US.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:43 | 2308709 atomicwasted
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This is what happens when they change the definition of obesity every year to ensnare more people.  It's like how the definition of poverty changes every year.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:55 | 2308732 Clowns on Acid
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Please show a graph depicting the MickeyD's stock price along side the yearly obesity increases.

Hey man correlation does not = causality....!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 22:58 | 2308739 Conax
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Ladies: Don't lose that last smooth fat layer under the skin. No veins or tendons should be seen. And try not to shrink the boobage, either.

Dudes: It's partly the lethargy and partly the crap food. A doctor I asked told me to cut out soda pop. He said men respond quick to stopping the pop. My wife was ticked how easy it was for me to drop poundage.

Stop the pop and avoid all grain. You'll lose weight quick.

Aspartame, Neotame, Nutrasweet (from our friends at Ajinomoto) are excitotoxins that cause a craving for carbs, among other plagues.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:29 | 2308770 Something Wonderful
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The lovely Mr. Creosote says so what about fat and gluttony:


Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:15 | 2308776 Inspector Bird
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All the morons here think they have the "answer".  I use the term morons because I can't honestly think if there is a term which can effectively relate what they really are.

"Sugar is the problem."  Right.

"Okinawans live longest, it's all about nutrition."  Right.

"Rich live longer than the poor."  OK.  Maybe there's some truth there, but in fact there probably isn't.

"The US is obese."  Hmmm....


Frankly we're not obese.  The guidelines have changed over the years.  I am listed as "overweight" - I'm 6 feet tall and 210 pounds.  Every time the doctor weighs me he shakes his head and says "I still can't figure out why you weigh more than you appear to be."  Honestly?  Neither can I, because I'm not fat, and if I were to add muscle, my BMI would go from 26 to 27 or 28....

When I was a kid, I ate raw sugar by the spoonful.  I loved the stuff, and I was thin as a rail, my doctor used to tell my mom to have me eat more.  Today, I barely have sugar in anything I eat, and I can't lose weight.  Go figure. 

I don't believe anyone knows dick about this stuff, certainly not enough to say "THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS", because what works for you won't work for me.  I do boot camp and I can keep up with the trainer through most of the exercises for the first 1/2 hour.  At that point, being 50 starts to weigh in and I lose my edge.  But I'm there - he knows I can keep up.

We're not obese, it's not McDonald's or sugar's fault, and I sure as hell will NOT foot the bill for lazy ass douchebags who won't take care of themselves, smoke like chimneys, and drink like fish then expect me to help them.  Fuck them all, and tell Obama to take his fucking programs back to the drawing board.  I'm tired of people like him and everyone else telling me what I must do and how I have to do it.  I'll do things my way and the rest of you can go suck a dick for all I care.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:21 | 2308923 TheDavidRicardo
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I thought your post to be especially moronic due to the fact that YOU ALREADY FOOT THE BILL FOR LAZY FUCKS!

Or have you yet to conquer were the money for medicare and medicaid come from?

PS Just recently went into a hospital for the first time in 15 years.  The one thing the popped into my head first was, THE NURSES ARE ALL FAT!  Go fuckin' figure. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:30 | 2309331 Inspector Bird
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Not all, and frankly I'm more than a bit tired of Medicaid and Medicare.  So regardless of whether it's ACA or already existing programs, enough already.  Just because I pay a portion of their bills today doesn't make it right and doesn't mean I should throw up my hands and say "Oh, OK, I'm paying already so let's just keep paying, in fact let's kick in even more so they get everything they want."  Fuck them.  I pay for insurance, and I have since I was no longer a ward of my parents.

Fact is, not only is the nation not as overweight as it is claimed, but even if we didn't have government sponsored health care we'd still be paying a portion of care, because the whole idea behind this ACA mess is getting people Catastrophic Care.  Which they already have, in a sense, since they cannot be denied services at a public hospital.  Even though they'll never pay, I'll still pick up the tab when the prices for that care get baked in.  But that's the market working properly, sort've like stores backing in costs of theft.  It happens, and it's not pleasant, but at least I won't have government middlemen telling me what services I can and can't have, and taking a skim off the top.

Lucky that you went for the first time in 15 years.  I have the misfortune of having blown out a disc in my back (being over 40 and still physically active in sports at a competitive level), I need pain management.  I have seen a few 'fat' nurses, but these were all the desk nurses.  They sit all day long, fill out forms, etc.  Most of the other nurses I've had, at physical therapy or otherwise, are not overweight.

Besides, what's the big deal with "overweight"?  I don't like looking at a fat woman at the gym, but I respect her being there.  I didn't marry one, and I wouldn't, because I'm not attracted.  But the Rubenesque figure has been standard for most of our earthly existence.  Overweight women were considered "healthy'" and better for the purposes of mating.  Take a look at paintings over the many millenia and how many feature lithe figured women which we hold up as a standard today?  Hell, today Marilyn Monroe would be listed as "overweight". 

The concept of a healthy figure has changed dramatically in recent years and not necessarily for the better.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:40 | 2309332 Inspector Bird
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And the primary reason for my post was really just related to the items where people were saying "this is why we're fat, unhealthy, etc...."

There's not a lick of evidence for any of these things.  My two teens eat sugared treats like mad and the doctor can't get them to gain weight.  I've got them drinking high protein shakes, all kinds of stuff.  My elder son wants HGH so he can put on mass (yeah, THAT's a good idea...). 

ACA is going to make all this worse.  As I point out to people, health epidemics involving bacteria and various other bugs are worse in nations with socialized medicine because easy access to antibiotics and the misuse and abuse of these is much more common.  The idea that they are cheap and easily doled out makes the arms race in the health war tilt in favor of the bugs.  Man is at a loss as he overuses his arsenal.  Which nation struggled with MRSA in the 90's?  Britain.

Does that mean the US is immune to problems? no.  Does it means socialized medicine causes these outbreaks?  no.  But there is a considerably more lax approach to health care elsewhere, despite the claims otherwise - I've seen it and if you've ever been sick abroad, you've seen it too (and if not, you're just in denial).  I am reluctant to take medication, and usually toss my scrip away.  But man, get a case of the sniffles abroad and the anitbiotics get handed to you like candy!

I'll add that as long as Europe did not have a socialized medical community, it led the world in Nobel winners for medicine.  After about 1950, it became the US and Europe was increasingly less competitive.  That says boatloads.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:18 | 2308780 junkyardjack
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America needs P90X

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:39 | 2308873 Vic Vinegar
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America really does, don't it?

Yet your comment was pretty worthless, no?  If it helped you sleep tonight, then I cannot judge.

Let's pick this discussion up on ZH chat.  See you there, soon.

You listen to this song and: a) either come back with a fun review or b) find me an underappreciated dividend-paying stock. 

'Cuz I ain't going to waste my time on this site forever.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:42 | 2308877 Vic Vinegar
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/says prayer to Yen Cross who I genuinely think is super-cool and super-smart.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:26 | 2308790 cornflakesdisease
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A recent study showed that 6 month old babies are 30% heavier then they were 2o years ago.  The same was true of squirrels, raccoons, mice, rats, and most urban birds.  How do you explain that?  There is something in the food chain that is causing increased weight gain (estrogen mimicing plastics?).  Babies don't exercise.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:55 | 2308826 Sandmann
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Corn syrup

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:31 | 2308866 Vic Vinegar
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Your comment was abso-fuking-lutely worthless. 

Buy physical.  The alternative is having to figure out if the comments coming from "Sandmann" are real.  LOL

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 07:09 | 2309101 francis_sawyer
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Buy physical corn syrup!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 07:39 | 2309130 Sandmann
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Your comment was abso-fuking-lutely worthless.

Keep eating the HFCS then - see where it has gotten you Vic Vinegar - addled brain and foul mouth

consumers in the United States no longer have access to accurate ingredient labels that establish the presence of High Fructose Corn Syrup in food products. Manufacturers are permitted to label High Fructose Corn Syrup, as "Corn Syrup" in the ingredient listing of the product packaging.

Still you are probably a paid advocate for  The Corn Refiners' Association -

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:50 | 2308823 Mongrel
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Want to get fat? Then eat the Low-fat and No-fat crap the government has pushed off on Americans for the last couple of decades. We eat real butter, lard (not the chemical-laced store bought kind), and avoid as much processed food (loded with omega-6 oils) as possible. The result--neither me nor my wife--nor any of our children and grandchildren--are obese. I am 60, 6'5" tall, weigh 245 and have 9% body fat. Am in better shape than anytime since my mid-20s. Why? Because I eat right and exercise regularly (and strenuously). There is no excuse for most people to be fat and out of shape.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 23:58 | 2308830 Sandmann
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Make own bread from imported flour - the non-steamed, water-absorbing variety with natural seeds and grain. Buy a breadmaker

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:24 | 2308855 Vic Vinegar
Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:04 | 2308835 besnook
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this is a conspiracy to save social security . by making 2/3 of usa citizens grossly obese no one will live to 67 to collect ss.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:14 | 2308914 Let em push you...
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I thought the conspiracy to save social security was by turning a blind eye to illegal immigration, including for the 10 years since 9/11, but maybe I'm just trying to find a good reason where there isn't any.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:42 | 2308878 oogs66
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Blue states and red states - both obese. Maybe we need the light blue not obese party?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:44 | 2308881 Let em push you...
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Cue the ubiquitous references to "fat, lazy Americans," which is the equivalent of the "kicking the can down the road" mentaility that everyone bitches about regarding this centrally planned economy.  For those with any serious interest in the rise of obesity along with all variety of inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, I encourage you to look up the book "Wheat Belly" by William Davis or google "Wheat Belly Blog."  Wheat has a higher glycemic index than table sugar.  The staff of life has become the staff of death, +1 for collapse of Roman American empire!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:43 | 2308882 hedgehog9999
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Early Happy easter to you all!!, Let's eat some more this week to warm up to the feast next week end!!!

But seriously folks, fat grows exponentially, I know from a couple of fat fucks that I know. Fat begets fat!!!

I shuder to think where this country will be on the fat scale in 10 years......

Luckily nature has a way to rebalance this kind of xit. Perhaps there will indeed be food shortages.....and high prices I might add...

Something will give for sure as the broken healthcare system will keel over with the expected uptick in heart disease, diabetes and related ilnesses.....

This is serious stuff, no candidate ever discusses this type pf subject... we are royally fucked up!! and we don't even embrace a monarchy.................


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 00:58 | 2308895 Fred C Dobbs
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Stealth GMOs Rapidly Consuming Global Food Supply


Anthony Gucciardi
April 1, 2012

Obviously there is no room for GMOs in truly healthy food products, which is why it is truly vital that you understand the nature of GMOs and how they are oftentimes hidden in commercial food products. It may very well shock you to know just how prevalent GMOs are within the food supply. It’s truly amazing that modified products continue to go unlabeled despite being linked to organ damage — among a barrage of other conditions — in a prominent review of 19 studies.

In fact, nearly 93-95% of US soybeans are genetically modified in order to resist powerful weed-killers that were found to be killing the actual soybeans as well as the weeds. Following current trends, genetically modified food products will makeup the majority of the future food supply if a change is not made. For now, that change has been shot down by the FDA — the very organization tasked to defend public health. Just recently, the agency deleted around 1 million signatures from the GMO labeling campaign ‘Just Label It.’

This move means that consumers will continue to stay in the dark about whether or not what they’re eating is compromised of genetically modified ingredients. And it’s not just corn and soybeans, other commonly modified food staples include:

  • Corn
  • Cotton
  • Soy
  • Sweet corn
  • Hawaiian Papaya
  • Rice
  • Potatoes

Statistics show how GMO crops and ingredients have skyrocketed in even the past few years. Here are statistics as of 2009-2010:

  • Genetically modified soybeans currently make up for 93-95% of the US soybean supply.
  • Genetically modified corn currently makes up for 86% of the US corn supply.
  • Genetically modified cotton currently makes up for 93% of the US cotton supply.
  • Genetically modified canola currently makes up for 93% of the soybean supply.
  • Genetically modified Hawaiin papaya currently makes up for 93% of the Hawaiian papaya supply.

When viewing these statistics, it is easy to see how many consumers are being tricked into consuming genetically modified foods. Amazingly, in a poll conducted by ABC, more than 93% of Americans feel that products containing GMOs should be labeled – meanwhile, these individuals are actually unknowingly consuming GMOs on a daily basis. What it comes down to is that as long as the threat is not visible, many consumers will simply purchase commercial products without thinking about the consequences. This is exactly why Monsanto and others have been squelching attempts to label products that contain GMOs.

This post is an excerpt from the ‘Genetically Modified Foods: How to Avoid & Identify’ section in my new book on natural health, The New Health Paradigm.

This article first appeared at Natural Society


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:01 | 2308898 Below Zero
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Get in my belly!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:23 | 2308901 Vic Vinegar
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Wow that was dumb.  Why bother with what you wrote?  Really?


Where do you think the original Gordon Gekko is tonight?  It seems to me he lost the battle with Denninger but will win the war. 

The downside to that is he has to put up with your shit in the meantime.  Buy physical.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:05 | 2308900 QEsucks
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OK Geofrey T. you've got a thing against BMI because youre ASS IS SO FAT. OH SO SORRY. TRY AGAIN. ashole.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:14 | 2308913 Vic Vinegar
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True story, "QEesucks" -

For all of Tyler's writings, had I not seen the comments section here I would have just thought this site contained the writings of a paranoid freak.  This was back in 2009/2010.

But that there were so many intelligent comments back then it made me see there was something real being said. 

Yet now, there are so many of you I can't even pretend that someone on the fence is going to see through this noise.  I mean, look at your comment; it's so fuking nonsensical. 

Mission accomplished by your team.  No joke.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:12 | 2308910 QEsucks
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Seriously. my initial comment #8 was deleted from this thread. I wish Tyler to fuck off and die. Thanks in advance,

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 01:15 | 2308915 Vic Vinegar
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Why be mean about it?  Can't you find another hobby to pass the time?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 04:29 | 2309018 Colonial Intent
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I doubt it, ive said some pretty nasty shit when i get wound up by others here, so far they only deleted one of my posts.

What did you say, exactly.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:10 | 2309285 Totin
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Ahhh, the joys of ownership. Perhaps you should consider posts of a better quality.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 02:47 | 2308988 BunnyMunroe
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It's the free market baby!!!


Hell... If we were all Libetarians we'd all look more like Somalian Pirates.



Mon, 04/02/2012 - 03:11 | 2308997 Vic Vinegar
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The free market has proven that a large crop of people are going to eat shit and get fat.  Scoreboard, bitches!

Rather than write a 3,500 word missive, Denninger-style, about how I should not have to pay for their healthcare, I just wish Mickey D's paid a higher dividend. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 03:45 | 2309007 Bullish Bear
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I love ZH, but I wish ZH loved spell check.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 04:11 | 2309013 walidsassia
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obese and debt chart are perfectly coorolated UPPPPPP


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 04:32 | 2309020 Ignorance is bliss
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I found that most of the food in the grocery store are Inedible for a happy healthy life. High quality food costs are significant. For two people my weekly grocery bill is about $200. My wife and I are in really good physical condition. We started a garden about 2 years ago. The food we get out of it is amazingly good. Not sure what happens to the vegetables in the supermarket but there is a big diff. It's like good wine vs. bad wine. Not sure what makes the diff. But it's real.

My advice to the obese is try gardening. You get some physical activity and your diet improves dramatically. If you grow it, nurture it, and care for it, you will want to eat your investment.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 04:50 | 2309031 Colonial Intent
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Thank mr rumsfeld, he got aspartame approved for use over the warnings of scientific advice.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 05:31 | 2309048 dolly madison
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California is a very unwalkable state.  You must have a car in most of California.  But California is one of the states that has less obesity.  However I do think less driving and more walking does combat obesity.  It's not the whole puzzle though.  I still think the corporations making our food is the problem  All their decisions are based on what makes a profit.  When people grow and prepare their own foods, they have other criteria in mind too.

It is good for profit to put addicting things like sugar and glutamate into food.  It makes you sell more.  It is good for profit to always select crops that grow large quickly, but that makes them less nutrient rich.  It is good for profit to spray petrochemicals on the soil instead of rotating crops which also makes the crops less nutrient rich.  When the food is low in nutrients, our bodies will crave to eat more.  Our bodies are not satisfied by calories alone. There are many other things we need.
I really do wish I could not grow food for myself and not prepare food all the time  But until all this is fixed at a societal level, I must.  My family and I were so sick before we moved to clean air and started switching over to growing and preparing our own foods.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 05:57 | 2309057 blueridgeviews
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People eat when they are depressed.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 02:21 | 2312143 dolly madison
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Some people do eat when they are depressed, but not all.  I personally usually lose a bit of weight when times are bad.  Happiness is worse for my weight.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 06:31 | 2309071 Monedas
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If it doesn't taste good....don't eat it !   Trust yo body  ?   What happened to the Renaissance ideal that plumpness was attractive ?  Buy a slab of round steak and grind it.....Zero meat slime !  Let them eat steak !  We should use junk food near the DMZ to encourage Norkom defections ?  Open cauldrons of simmering corn syrup wafting their fragrance across the DMZ to drive the Norkoms crazy !  Monedas  2012   Comedy Jihad Junk Food Diplomacy Junket

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 06:47 | 2309079 Monedas
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Junk food has advanced the American Virtual Empire more than the Internet and the Hydrogen Bomb !  The Catholic church could reverse it's decline if it used Coca-Cola and Oreo cookies instead of wine and ostia wafers in the Communion !   Monedas  2012   Comedy Jihad World Tour

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 06:45 | 2309087 pcrs
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Slaves are trying to get themselves disqualified for the draft.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 06:53 | 2309092 Monedas
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Doritos crumbs found under your sofa cushions are edible for months....if you don't mind the dog hair garnish !  Let's celebrate junk food !  Monedas  2012   Comedy Jihad Junk Food Appreciation Tour

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:07 | 2309272 Totin
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That's hilarious dude.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 07:51 | 2309150 overmedicatedun...
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this is obviously a problem that ONLY the Government can solve so lets add to the Government and make it just as obese and fat as the people ..feed the Government feed it feed it problem solved per BLS....LOL.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:58 | 2309408 connda
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They do: WIC!

Feed the sheeple cheese, milk, and milk fat in copious quantities.  On the government's dime!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 08:38 | 2309209 jayman21
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Tyler, Any stats on other countries?  The last few times I have been to Europe, I am noticing the same thing.  People are getting bigger.  Is this a US thing or global problem?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:06 | 2309435 connda
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Here in Thailand, I am seeing a huge number of fat youngsters, primarily in the cities.  The parents move up into the middle class of this developing country, and all of a sudden -- fat kids.  And its a pretty recent development.  Two slender parents with 1 or 2 fat children is really common to see.  You really don't see it much in the poor rural areas.  There is plenty to eat in the villages (meats, fruits, and vegetables in abundance) but they don't have a lot of the real fatty junk food and fast food restaurants.  French fries, ice cream -- yum yum <PoP> FAT.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 08:42 | 2309217 Beau Tox
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50% of the posters on this site are at least 20 lbs. overweight.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 08:48 | 2309230 Disenchanted
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We need a submission titled:


This Is Your Country On Fiat Fractional Reserve Currency

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:55 | 2309397 connda
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Here in Thailand, you watch people getting off the plane from overseas and it's like watching someone open a can overstuffed vienna saugages. 

Keep the sheep plump and distracted.  Sort of like Kobe Beef.  They'll never know what hit them when it comes time for shearing and cooking.

While the 85% plump up, 10% are embarking on the same plan as Ashton Kutcher, and the other 5% of us have already slimmed down and left Dodge.

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