French President Hollande Gives Obama An Ultimatum

Tyler Durden's picture

Who thought this week's first humor-oozing news would strike so early.

... Or else?

From AFP:

French President Francois Hollande told the United States on Monday to immediately cease spying on European institutions, after reports of covert US surveillance of EU diplomatic missions.


"We cannot accept this kind of behaviour between partners and allies," Hollande told journalists during a visit to the western city of Lorient. "We ask that this immediately stop."


Hollande said "enough elements have already been gathered for us to ask for explanations" from Washington about the spying allegations.


"There can be no negotiations or transactions in all areas until we have obtained these guarantees, for France but also for all of the European Union, for all partners of the United States," Hollande told journalists.


It was an apparent reference to sensitive trade talks which are set to start between the US and the EU on creating the world's largest free trade zone.


"We know well that there are systems that have to be checked, especially to fight terrorism, but I don't think that it is in our embassies or in the European Union that this threat exists," he said.


French Minister of Foreign Trade Nicole Bricq said the upcoming talks on the new trade zone, due to begin next week, could be jeopardised.


"This is a topic that could affect relations between Europe and the United States," she told AFP.


"We must absolutely re-establish confidence... it will be difficult to conduct these extremely important negotiations," she said.


Hollande said he had asked Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius to get in touch with US Secretary of State John Kerry immediately "to get all the explanations and all the information."


German news weekly Der Spiegel reported that the US National Security Agency (NSA) carried out covert surveillance on EU diplomatic missions, basing its report on confidential documents, some of which it had been able to consult via fugitive US leaker Edward Snowden.


The European Union, Paris and Berlin have angrily demanded answers over the allegations.

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firstdivision's picture

Maybe the threat would have more bite if it didn't come from the land historically full of pussies.

Oh no, they might cut off our supply of escargot

AlaricBalth's picture

Stop spying immediately or else no one gets their gold back from us!!!
Oh wait....

SamAdams's picture

Never waste a catastrophe.  "See my country, what that bad 'ole putty tat did?  Bad, bad putty tat!"....

"I believe!'

NoDebt's picture

Methinks this has more to do with the US/EU "Free Trade" deal that's on the table.  Germany requested a meeting with the US ambassador- a little more up-close-and-personal than a snarky Tweet.  Apparently it's full-stop on that deal for now......

"The spokesperson said Germany still wanted an EU-U.S. free trade deal worth billions of dollars to go ahead, but that this required mutual trust."

Talk of "cold war" tactics being thrown around and now they require mutual trust?  OK, so lets print up so mutual trust and get past all this.  Forward!

Ghordius's picture

bingo! we have a winner! Obama and Cameron are pushing hard for this deal - of course with Google, the US Agrobusiness, etc. behind them - and it would actually make the EU as a trade zone quite useless and irrelevant

this is all part and parcel to the diplomatic artillery barrage around the Trans Atlantic Trade Deal of which I'm warning to look for since a while (here March 2013, here May 2013)

NoDebt's picture

You say that like it wasn't useless and irrelevant before!  OK, maybe not useless, but when hobbled by the Euro being laid on top of it..... same difference.

Ghordius's picture

"hobbled by the EUR"? propaganda, pure and simple. the thing is functioning as designed (in an "likely" deemed scenario of currency wars)

but anyway, it's a different club - the EU ain't the eurozone -> today Croatia joins the EU, for example, but has to wait to be admitted to the eurozone

how useless would it be if the EU prevents the inport of frankenfood and forces (as per law being drafted) Google et al to refrain from passing citizen's personal data to any government, on pain of seriously heavy fines?

espirit's picture

Hollande: Stop spying!

O'bama: OK - I didn't know.

jon dough's picture

France's Hollande tells US to 'immediately stop' getting caught spying.





redpill's picture

Stop spying or we'll tell our women to stop shaving their armpits and to fart in your general direction!

camaro68ss's picture

Typical American reply- And what are the french going to do? stop shipping in french frys?


Skateboarder's picture

This is fucking hilarious considering they work for the same boss.

Good fix J$.

eatthebanksters's picture

Most people don't know it but France is right up there with China on the list of hackers for indstrial and business espionage secrets.  This is like the pot callingthe kettle black, and the pot is a little bitty wimpy piece of crap that is overly impressed with itself.

thedrickster's picture

US Media: "Is Hollande a racist? Maybe."

Northeaster's picture

The secret negotiations of the Trans-Pacific is where the focus should be, while not making Trans-Atlantic irrelevant, the secrecy involved should be sending red flags to anyone not engrossed with MSM/Kardashian's. Lower wages and more outsourcing incoming, enjoy the Kleptocracy/Plutocracy without a shot fired.

tango's picture

Most on ZH (because they are not technially savvy) have no idea how diruptive technologies are altering the landscape.  Companies are indeed making more replacing people with machines.   The savings is huge - no SS, workman's comp, salary, health insurance or matching funds.   Further, advances will soon make in nearly impossible to tell the difference on the phone or internet.  People will still have the jobs that machines cannot yet do.  This massive rush of technology really makes many of these arguments seem silly.

3D manufacturing is replacing the factory, AI is replacing writers and reporters  (publishing and printing houses are in their last days), nutritionally directed agriculture will be cheaper and produce far more food in far less space and smart materials will control heat, cold and light.   When you look at how many jobs these advances affects it gives one pause. 

What you talkin about Willis's picture

And most whom are tech savy have no fucking clue what the role of energy plays in bringing tech into being. The play button gets hit shortly after when you realizes all this progress you talk about requires a shit load of energy.  and what the fuck is nutritionally directed agriculture?

tango's picture

Thanks for your thoughtful and well-formulated response (lol).   First, nutritionally directed agriculture means growing crops with a minimum of water and dirt, the necessary ingredients released as needed.  This can most easily be done vertically with near perfect results.  Energy requirements (from tillage to fertilizer to labor to water) is greatly reduced.  Secondly, we are actually using much less energy per person due to (1) minituarization, (2) greater efficiency (non-moving parts in many devices), (3) new materials and (4) better design.   The ultimate energy source (unknown of course) will most likely derive from something solar - greatly increased efficiency and equally drastic reductions in price or (more likely) some form of artifiial photosynthesis, the best method since it is the only one not creating heat.

Still surpirsed at those who get furious when things like this are mentioned as if discussing technological trends (hell, these are all current technologies though not all have been brought to market) messed up their plans for Armaggedon, gun collecting and survivalist farms.  Have a nice day.

Ranger4564's picture

Agreed Tango... we're moving fast forward, but people are moving fast reverse, out of fear and concern for their historic notion of livelihood. It's laughable if it wasn't so devastating globally.

Ghordius's picture

the Trans-Pacific is currently secret (except for the corporate bosses and their lobbyists, of course). But the Trans-Atlantic has to be pre-approved before talks begin in it's general intentions by the... EU parliament

And that's the reason why all this spying of EU facilities and personnel is suddently so... interesting

Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

Getting the US to stop spying will be like getting Tiger Woods to stop with the blondes.

Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

1 eliminate the NSA, Homeland fucking Security. Destroy all data collected. Halt Glendale. Deconstruct all apparatuses
2. Impeach Obama. Vote out all national politicians
3. Rework, de-corrupt the Internet
4. Strengthen US Constitution for Internet age
5. Demilitarize police. Never another Watertown.

Until the purge occurs, this remains a very ill country.

tango's picture

I have to disagree.  The first job of any government is protection of its citiziens.   There is a huge difference betweenn spying on every man, woman and child on Earth 24/7 and gathering data for analysis.  We may want to believee that everyone is nice, open and friendly like us but that is not the case.  Intellectual and industrial spying by foreigners seems to have become the global pasttime. The internet will only change incrementally.  It is too distributed and woven into the fabric of our lives for massive changes that I see as impossible. If you're referring to data collection, this is a an easy taks for most junior programmers.  Obama should be made to serve his term and take the blame.  (I know, he won't.)  Impeachment would rally the Left and MSM (redundant) and in the end, fail.   

We CAN strip the "Patriot Act" of all but the most fundamental tasks of truly tracking terrorism.  Civil libertarians warned of the misuse of its laws.   The fact that folks are arrested for taking photos, making dumb Facebook rants, experimenting in a chemistry lab and was led away in handcuffs despite the teacher's protestations or charged with terrorism for a phone prank having nothing to do with terroism only confirms these suspicions. 

Max Cynical's picture

Oh, right..."it's for our protection", yet the southern border is wide open. Ever heard of OTM's?

Ranger4564's picture

People, please remember there are always 2 governments when we speak of governments. One the Oligarchs / ruthless rulers impose, and two, the one we elect to protect us from the oligarchs / ruthless rulers. Do not lump them all together. Eliminate the one imposed by the bastards, reorganize and restructure the one we elected so it's not so corruptable. We might have to do much more of the policing / management ourselves, but that's the way I think it was meant to be... we serve as sherrif / leader of a civic project or astronaut for a period of time, then move on. No more nepotism / self-selection for positions.

Anyway you look at it, we need a new Continental Congess of whatever it was that predated that, to set about discussing the ills of the present structure. Maybe we can write a new declaration and bill of rights also. Think of it as the People's Signing Statement.



bornlastnight's picture

We don't need a new Declaration...we already have paragraph stands out.  It goes like this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Problem is, nobody reads this stuff anymore.  Maybe we should learn from the Egyptians.  At least they have the balls to stand up against their president even without no stinkin Declaration.

creeper's picture

"The first job of any government is protection of its citiziens."


Where the hell did you get THAT idea?  Show me anywhere in our founding documents where "protection" is referred to. 


I can protect myself, thank you.  If you don't belive that, accost me on the street some time.  But wear your bulletproof vest when you do.


It's people who think like you do that have put us in the mess we're in.

Harlequin001's picture

and how easy it is to lead the dick heads by the nose.

perhaps France is wrong in this and the USA should spy because it has the right to.


Rusticus's picture

Indeed ... because if there is one thing more important to Americans than their government spying on them, it's ridiculing the French.


Bossuet's picture

C'est le genre humain qui est ridicule, un indice ? Toutes ces petites manies qui consistent à accumuler des biens, encore, encore et encore !

Wakanda's picture

Nous sommes stupides singes.  : - <

bornlastnight's picture

Laissez les bon temps roulez.

Dugald's picture

Oh come on France.....just give them the recipe for Eggs Benedict and they will leave you alone

Spastica Rex's picture

Uhmmmm.... New Orleans is in the US.

Ranger4564's picture

Maybe the world needs more pussies, and less assholes... unless you're a devout back door man.

Apparently, AmreiKans don't know their history, or they have stockholm syndrome, and prefer the Anglo ass reaming to the assistance offered by the French. They also forget the Statue of Liberty?  What did the Anglo douche bags give us? FED. Go figure.

Personally, I never understood the animosity so many dumb asses in the US feel towards France... given the intertwined history. Maybe it's because the ass hats don't understand that the French Revolution presages the trajectory of humanity, and that the hierarchical model so many dumb asses have clung to and believe Anglo represents even if there is a love hate relationship, does not. 

As the hierarchical model unfolds and we are exposed to more direct experience of the brutality inherent to all hierarchies, the dumb asses will begin to squeal for any assistance from their comrades. Ignore them when this happens... only way to eradicate stupidity.

i.e. the animosity towards the French has to do with socialism. Ironically, Anglo also mostly believe in socialism, even as their leaders torment them with privatization of the wealth of the "empire".

I just can't comprehend the singular linear thinking, or the really shitty humor. Well, technically I can, but I can't respect either.

post turtle saver's picture

We Texans love the French. So much so, that we provided the root stock for grape vines immune to the Phylloxera epidemic, which saved the French wine industry from total ruin.

So, if you're a big fan of French wines... you're welcome, y'all.

post turtle saver's picture

I deserve at least one down vote for that because I didn't say it right... really need to brush up on my Texan... the correct phrase is, "... y'all are welcome"

and dead serious about love for the French... people in the US should brush up on their history before going full retard with "freedom fries" bs

bornlastnight's picture

Try not to confuse the French of the 1780s with the French of the 2000s.

TheReplacement's picture

Sure the Frogs helped us with the Revolution but that was really in their own best interest (can't blame them but nobody should give them too much credit there).  About a decade later we nearly went to war with them over their blatant abuses of our civilian shipping.

Yeah they fought hard in WWI but just 120 years earlier it took all of Europe to stop Napolean.  France needed help from the UK, US, Russia, Japan, Italy, and others to keep from collapsing against the Hun. 

WWII was a joke.  Lots of Jews died as a result of French activities.  One would think they French nation would have been more humble and thankful for liberation but De Gaulle took care of that didn't he.

Certainly one can argue the French are more civilized.  Certainly the Algerians and Vietnamese would agree, no?  Let us not forget that Paris is known for a metal tower, museums, and the rudeness.  The rude part cannot be blamed on anything but the people.

Furthermore, most of us in the US do prefer to earn our incomes and don't mind working hard in the bargain.  We see the French socialist society as lazy and hell bent for serfdom while they chatter about being superior all the way.

Blah, the US is a horrible place today.  We can still turn that around.  France is a cesspool and Napoleon is not coming back again.


Ranger4564's picture

You're welcome to indict the French for the horrors of their imperialism, but don't forget to indict every other imperial nation... predominantly out of Europe and the West in the past 600 years...

There are assholes in every part of the Globe... every fucking part of the Globe has been corrupted and has corrupt people... but the British, they're a worm in our head. The French, they're not a worm in our head.

That's part of the point I was trying to make above. And, frankly, the British have been douche bags to the US and much of the world, except most people can't see that.

EL INDIO's picture

' ... Oh no, they might cut off our supply of escargot ...'

And stinking cheese

samcontrol's picture

arrogant fuck, love to have you in front of me to see who's the pussy.

Bringin It's picture

He's got a point.

Ever heard of Napoleon? [Not you Remus]

It's some silly heglian dialect woven into the tapestry of weakish fools frame of reference by the media.

How 'bout some Freedom Fries?  Nausiating.

JimBowie1958's picture

Napoleon wasnt French, he was corsican, which is a distinct place, people, language and culture from France itself.



firstdivision's picture

Internet tough guy says what