At this point it is beyond any one (or countless number of) human beings to distinguish truth from lies from epic propaganda, so we won't even try. Here is the latest relevant news that just crossed the stream from Ukraine's defense ministry. From Bloomberg:
- REBELS DOWN 2 UKRAINIAN FIGHTER PLANES TODAY, IFX REPORTS
- REBELS DOWN SU-25 FIGHTERS IN DONETSK REGION: DEFENSE MINISTRY
More from Reuters: Pro-Russian rebels have shot down two Ukrainian fighter jets, a spokesman for Ukraine's military operations said on Wednesday. The spokesman said the two were downed near Savur Mogila in eastern Ukraine. No details were known about the pilots.
And from the WSJ [4]:
Pro-Russian separatists shot down two Ukrainian fighter jets Wednesday over a town close to where Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -2.17% Flight 17 crashed last week, a Ukrainian defense ministry spokesman said.
Two SU-25 planes were brought down near the town of Saur-Mogila, which sits close to the Russian border and is 20 kilometers (12 miles) from Torez, where the civilian jet was brought down last Thursday, the spokesman said.
The alleged shoot-down of the jets would mark the first time a plane has been brought down over Ukraine since the crash.
The spokesman said the army dispatched a team to the scene to establish the exact circumstances of the downing of the jets. Rebels didn't immediately comment
As a reminder, it was the same Ukraine which hours before the MH17 crash insisted that a Russian fighter jet had downed [5]a Ukraine warplane, a story which promptly disappeared once Russia rejected it as idiotic [6]and once the much more severe fallout from the MH17 disaster hit.
Somehow we have a feeling this is merely yet another attempt by Ukraine to keep the pressure on the rebels now that the international response to MH17 has been muted by nearly 100% following Europe's complete inability to agree on what if any sanctions should be imposed on Putin, and the US state department presenting evidence of Russian involvement that can best be described as laughable.
An alleged clip of the Su-25 downing:
