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This poll is really more of a statement of who frequents this site, rather than any survey of a consensus in the market or on the street, wouldn't you agree?
I have more faith in capital itself to move where it needs to.
Excellent poll question...Faith in my opinion=believe or "belief-in". How can a person have faith in the people that just outright lie and steal. I am referring to bot Democrat and Republican Parties.
I voted yes because I do have faith that the American capital markets will find a way to screw us again...
As of now Hairy Bankster has 61 accounts.....
Some trade, some invest (go long).
I do neither, and my early vote (1st of 30) in this poll reflected my general view of corruption in market/media/government exspressed daily here and elsewhere.
This market is not an investment one, and traders can live and die on their experience, be that in any given market culture.
So the poll as I understood it was this: "do you feel the markets in general are gamed or not?" With evidence of insider trading, as well as advertised assets being bogus with a lack of real 'mark to market' and other solid benchmarks. Voting yes to this slaps the face of reality.
As Tyler put it, a good dose of "Hopium" is all you need.
No trust here, my money remains in my pocket.
Ah...Just needed some clarity.
Voted NO, but is the question applicable? What Capitalism? We are in the era of Too Big (or favored) to Fail.
I voted 'No' mostly as a negative comparison to what American Capital Markets used to be. I'm pretty sure they aren't less confidence inspiring than any other in the world right now (and everything's interconnected anyway)...although I'd like a professional opinion on a place like Hong Kong. I mean, the fact that this question is even being asked shows how far downhill we've traveled.
Most of what's wrong with America's cap markets right now is relatively superficial and correctable. HFT, ZIRP, market structure - those things can be fixed with the stroke of a pen. What can't be duplicated elsewhere with the stroke of a pen is the less visible American cap markets infrastructure that has actually been getting better - so good in fact that without it things like HFT wouldn't be possible - all the back office stuff. We take that for granted it seems. It's one thing to execute 10,000 trades a second with your algo, it's another thing to settle those trades and have the right money change hands with the right parties.
If Washington lets our capital markets go down the tubes...well we don't have much else left. Medicine just got rolled into the coffin, autos are turning into another Fannie-Mae, Aero-space? - maybe for now, some tech for sure but we all can't be scriptwriters, lawyers and government employees.
I've uploaded a new DOW chart.
THE MARKET SINGULARITY IS HERE:
I've speculated before that 9 out of 10 readers here do not trade for a living. Judging by the poll I was spot on.
dare I assume you do trade for a 'living'? So, 10% of the posts here are from professional traders? Since insiders have a truer, faith-filled perspective of our capital markets, do paint a picture for a dupe like me that I may see the light. Tell me why 'The Big Short' is not the way it really is. I'm all ears.
Trading, it's some sort of archaic religion?
We just have to close our eyes, hop on one foot, and believe: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0609806998
but then again, if you wait long enough, odds are you'll eventually be right. if only we knew what the real M3 was these days... dow 36000 might be sooner that we think, but for all the wrong reasons. probably be the catalyst for a currency re-issue (amero time?)
i'm also comfortable gold will someday get to 50K/oz... but it probably won't matter to any of us at that point.
I had to vote yes, although I could have as easily voted no, but yes was because it's not the markets fault it is the people and system which could all be corrected and replaced. I suppose that means that it is not the same market. And I have faith that it could be robust very quickly with these corrections. I guess I have a broad sense of what the question asked and saying No was just like saying it can't be fixed.
Perhaps some specific examples might be; stopping the flow of free money, restoring glass-stegall or something like it, auditing the fed, lobbying regulations, term limits, not putting the people that got it wrong over and over in charge again and again; fessing up to the unfunded liabilities, mark-to-fantasy, 95% of mortgages owned by govt., derivatives, things of this nature. We know what the problems are they just have to be fixed.
And if the question stated "the present markets" then No is my answer.
What is this "faith" of which you speak?
Interspersed throughout the book are other flashbacks to Rico's high school History and Moral Philosophy course, which describe how in the Terran Federation of Rico's day, the rights of a full Citizen (to vote, and hold public office) must be earned through some form of volunteer Federal service. Those residents who have not exercised their right to perform this Federal Service retain the other rights generally associated with a modern democracy (free speech, assembly, etc.), but they cannot vote or hold public office. This structure arose ad hoc after the collapse of the 20th century Western democracies, brought on by both social failures at home and military defeat by the Chinese Hegemony overseas (assumed looking forward into the late 20th century from the time the novel was written in the late 1950s).
I really appreciate Heinlein's "For Us the Living" and its take on war where it is put to a popular vote and those voting in the affirmative are immediately registered for the draft, then those who abstained, then those who voted against and also for its upside-down, guaranteed wage 'social credit' system.
Heinlein wasn't new to intersperse Jeffersonian views in his writing. Singularly foresighted though....nice remind.
So how informed and well constructed a voting polity do you think we'll have after Obummer and his cohort make 12 million illegals citizens?
Aw, c'mon. They'll be just as "informed" as the rest of us. The Ministry of Propaganda can translate spin en espanol just as easily as English.
American capital markets? How about world capital markets?
Guy on John Batchelor radio show this evening speaking of potential for capital market breakdowns starting in Europe Monday, cascading, leading to 'the abyss'!
The rather comfortable existence I've enjoyed to date has never taken me to anyplace that might be characterized as The Abyss.
Can I get a scouting report? Anyone?
As one who has taken up residence in the abyss, I can say that on balance it is not as bad as one might have thought. Then again, it may be a function of expectations, and the reaction when those expectations are dashed.
Where I am nobody ever had much of anything, and no matter who ruled the land---from monarch to junta---the average person was always little more than a doormat or cannon fodder. They never expected fairness nor honesty nor living better than their parents, so they have never been disappointed. In a way, anarchy begets its own alliances, as people form groups to look out for each other. People hold little trust for those outside of their immediate circle, and do not even completely trust those within their circle.
In a sense, it reminds me of Robotraders' wildebeasts. They run to and fro, and the weak or the outliers get taken by the crocs or lions or hyenas, while the great majority simply move on with only a passing thought to the dearly departed. It's a little more cold in many ways, and a little more warm in others. What it is not is Mad Max.
The US may be a different animal, however, as expectations are rather high for an ever upward sloping lifestyle. Plus, Americans are heavily armed. The US pretty much leads the world already in homicides, and this has been during its ascendency and the best of times. The US also has a long history---at least amongst the folks alive today---of being "Number One", at least in its own mind. The longest drop is always from the top step.
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being Mel Gibson-ville Mad Max I, the US is most likely to go there, followed by Germany, Russia, China and Japan (my opinion). Some of these countries are heavily armed, while others have a history of violence that only occasionally wears the veneer of civility. When things snap back, they snap fast.
My advice for the timid is to go somewhere that already sucks, where force has always spoken loudest, and be ready if need be to bark like a junkyard dog. Most likely the barking will not be necessary.
The U.S. is still the breadbasket of the world for that reason alone I like her chances. If you can feed your population they can be pretty content even if it's mush. And there is a lot of alcohol and medications out the wazoo...the U.S. probably leads the world in self medicating if nothing else.
I believe if the Constitution is followed the ship may yet be righted. I have yet to hear someone argue that it is not the greatest document created by and for humankind. If you have a diverging opinion I'd love to hear it.
Mel Gibson was also in Braveheart and yelled "Freedom!"
The USA has the biggest prison population, the biggest number of private weaponry, the biggest shadow banking toxic mess, the biggest interest based financial derivatives net write-down cloud hanging over its head, the smallest per capita public transport system, the longest distance per daily work-to-home rotation, the biggest number of political lobbyists, and now the greatest tea party in the world that will land it, like Sarah Palin's plastic wastes island, right in the middle of the Pacific ocean of debt. Need a life jacket?
That breadbasket will surely be prized for some time to come.
Me think New Zealand might be quiet enough....still civilized like England in the 50s, and with an agriculture that can feed all the population. Not the strongest Army though...but I think we can strike a deal with Australia, food for minerals....can work.
i know this will sound unpopular here among the anti HFT crusade, but its not the computers. its the greedy old farts running them. remember three mile island/chernobyl? the insistence on human operator actually caused more risk. i know the mental image of trillions of emotionless transistors churning trade after trade regardless of the effects on humans is scary, but it is still far more efficient and panic prone than what we seen on thursday. you set the pain threshold at 10%, you will get -8.20% swings in the direction that benefits the side with more power. we need a decentralized peer to peer market and we need it fast, because watching curve fitting live hurts my fucking brain
If the computers allow the "old farts" to get info and act on it ahead of retail investors and to provide their liquidity only until it is needed most (the first one's free!), then yes it IS the computers.
the quants behind the HFT Algos are the biggest waste of a mathematics degrees in the history of mathematics degrees.
A real pity some of these smart men & women did not study engineering...
They did, they just happen to call it "financial engineering"....
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my brain hertz
It's only for a short "period".
Submitted by cpowell on Sat, 2010-05-08 15:33. Section: Daily Dispatches
11:25a ET Saturday, May 8, 2010
Dear Friend of GATA and Gold (and Silver):
The New York Post tomorrow will report that the U.S. Justice Department has begun a criminal investigation of JPMorgan Chase & Co. in regard to trading in the precious metals markets and that the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission has begun a civil investigation.
I don't understand these investigations. The henhouse guarding the fox?
Those futures margins ain't what they ought/used to be.
The old grey mare...
I have faith they will keep the patient alive enough to sell him a load of shit and then tell him it's in his best interest. The key word is, America... which implies the days of old, but the new norm is Ameroligarchy. Until the Financial Coup d'etat is complete, I vote yes.
If you have a weak stomach...DO NOT OPEN
I have more faith in the US than wanting to put things in a Third World hell-hole.
Did the CNBS pep crowd sneak in here and place "yes" votes?
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