This wouldn't work because the people at the end of the line would see what happens when other people stick their tongues in the light socket. This was a big problem for slaughter houses when they would electrocute animals. The result is modern slaughter house design where the animals have no suspicion that they are in danger until the final moment. This is called "humaine" slaughterhouse design. Voting centers would have to be designed the same way for your idea to work. Then we would have so-called "humaine" voting centers. Another idea would be to make the voting machines themselves a kind of IQ test where the candidate you choose could be, for instance, the odd man out in a puzzle, or you would have to trace your way into the center of a maze with a stylus to select your candidate. This could be designed to apply to democratic candidates and leftist candidates only. Another idea would be to make these candidates difficult to vote for by posing verbal analogies along the lines of "Gore is to Nader" as a) roadkill is to abyss, b) Gramm is to dam, etc.
In a country where people actually cast ballots for a ticket that had an elderly man and Sarah Palin on it (though Oreobama is not much better), I'm not worried if the first person in line in my light socket test lights up like a Christmas tree. My test will still cull the herd.
Careful, Ron Paul is considered an "Elderly Man." Granted, he would not dream of picking Palin, but here is a nightmare weirdness, what if she ran in 2012 with Ron Paul on her Ticket. Hmmm? Ain't that a fucked up lil' idea.
Trojan Horse! I bet the elites won't let RP rise above his post. 14th district of Texas has a gift directly from the Provider of all that is good in this world.
Exactimento! And an old man who, when he was in the military, bombed his own aircraft carrier and lasted less than 24 hours in combat before being captures (that's the sum total of his entire combat experience). This doofus picked Sarah Palin for VP and Phil Gramm as his ECONned advisor....'nuff said on that score.
Those who have received any financial assistance (public payroll, military payroll, cash for clunkers, unemployment ins., etc) should not be allowed to vote. Including those that hold public office. Unfortunatley we are past the tipping point - more receive "distributed wealth" than those who don't.
For democracy to work you need informed citizenry and i dont think hours and hours in front of the TV watching American Idol and jerking off to Paula fucking Abdul makes you an informed citizen. my take is; when the election year comes give everyone a mandatory IQ test to solve and all the individuals who score below 130 can not vote. Also if one refuses to take said IQ test impose a 6 month prison penalty or a 50 000 $ fine and ban them from entering the voting place by checking the IDs of all who come to vote. Create a national registry of retards and update it regularly. Fuck the stupid people.
Can Arnold Schwarzenegger be the hero that saves the day! Change the law and let an Austrian be prezident of the US of A! Change the law so that people from Austria and Kenya can be prezident! Amnesty baby!
Fuck that, lets turn the whole goddamn world into one big ass Randian Utopia and fuck everyone in the ass while we run our own monopolistic bank and are unaccounted in front of any legal body .... Fuck yes .... Anarchy for the poor, cheap labour for the rich ... bitchez ... Fuck you Galt, necessary capital DECLINED.
*disclaimer; Cheeky Bastard hates Rand and everything Randian to such a degree he would stab a bitch if she was alive, then feed her liver to the dogs and her eyes to chickens. This comes directly from observing her self delusion regarding her meta-narrative solutions and her catastrophic and retarded interpretation of Kantian philosophy. May you rot in a transcendental hell you fucking bitch and may that hell be an eternal Stalinist society.
no doubt that idiots who cannot articulate the trade-offs of their vote(s) have any right to vote on those issues.
very Jeffersonian, the 'prove your understanding' concept of voting rights.
i toy with the concept of weighting votes with their relative "contribution" (taxes), which would really confuse the tax scheisters... they'd have to actually pay for their say (i know, i know, lobbyists aren't free). but the welfare-state recipients wouldn't be able to vote themselves another 'pay raise', and that's appealing.
but allowing everyone the right to earn the privilege sounds great, until the folks we earn it from tweak the test enough to make it impossible for everyone but their friends. witness that when they had tests in the deep south to prove credence to vote. there were two tests... a black version and a white version.
it would be great to have a national registry of retards. it'd be a pretty big book, tho'
Had to reply.....yeah, well with the people who are continuing to get (re)elected I have been very tempted to turn my voter's registration card in. I swear my man (woman) never wins.
"You may have noticed that there's one thing I don't complain about: Politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says, "They suck". But where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. No, they come from American homes, American families, American schools, American churches, American businesses, and they're elected by American voters. This is the best we can do, folks. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out.
....I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain", but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.
I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."
When I was younger and had faith in mankind, I believed that everyone should have the right to vote. But now, I think the founding fathers had it correct, only those who own land should be able to vote....assuming that everyone who has the ability (cash) also has the right (equality) to purchase land.
That ensures that you have a vested interest in your community and that you pay taxes and/or can be held responsible for paying them. There's a quote out there somewhere about a democracy will fail when people realize that they can vote privileges to themselves. If you own land and realize that your property taxes (or income tax) will increase to pay for said benefits, you are less likely to vote yes on those benefits. IMHO
You know, everytime the ponzi scheme supporting an empire is running dry, people whose position is endangered because not yet fully consolidated always try to find ways to consolidate it.
Check people at the end of the agrarian ponzi scheme which supported the US nineteenth century growth. Same reaction.
sadly most quants fall into the retard category. remember; specialization does not equal intelligence, if it was then 90% of mathematicians would have and IQ of 1000+ and not be shitting into their pants from the excitement when they watch Care Bears re-runs and eating cheerios from wore out shoes.
Let's be honest about the founding fathers here...the only reason they made that stipulation was to prevent being overrun with French Catholics or other 'insurgents'; it was about consolidation of power in existing hands (reasonable, since said hands implemented the revolution...even if they had French help)...likewise the Alien and Sedition Acts.
Smells like feudalism...and you'll have a hard time getting those who are in our government but can't pass the civics exam to leggo the reins of power.
Education [if it can be called that in this day and age] should be the determining factor into who can and who can not vote. I say you have to have a high school education if you wish to vote or need to have a proof that you payed your taxes every year during the past 4 years*. Either of those two.
*disclaimer; i do not believe in paying taxes since all governments fund themselves exclusively trough internal/external borrowing.
Just starting with a voting exam, speaking English for one, would be pretty important. And some current events, civics questions. Like who was the last U.S. President and such. Then those morons on MTV and Real Wives of Plasticsurgeryville would never be able to vote, or Jessica Simpson, and none of those people on Leno that don't know how many stars in the flag, or which is the largest state...I could go on but it would be very easy to cull the herd on a voting exam. If there can be a written driving test a voting exam could be generated in a month's time.
Well, if you want to be exact the first thirty years of the 60 year period was not exactly a spark. It was more like we were the only industrial economy left fully standing on the planet, and this fact was paired with the economic takeover of failed European imperialism. The takeover of bankrupt/failed European imperialism was based initially on the premise of preventing the spread of communism, but it is readily apparent we grew pretty attached to this inherited empire.
There should be an additional poll. If one answers YES then it should present the second poll which asks, "Do You Consider Yourself A Useful Idiot", with three possible choices: Yes!...Hell Yes!...What is a Useful Idiot?
The third choice should generate an automatic Hell Yes!
Naaah, suspension of disbelief is a very passive thing. It doesn't energize a person to an affirmative act of any consequence. Maybe a humor try on your part, but it's a cynic's try. Faith is the thing that dirves your "no matter what" actions in life. Everyone has faith, because everyone has a "no matter what" thing they will do. Even John Lennon ultimately showed he had faith in Yoko. She was his "no matter what", no matter the contents of his song "believe". And I'm NOT a Lennon fan--sorry L-H.
This wouldn't work because the people at the end of the line would see what happens when other people stick their tongues in the light socket. This was a big problem for slaughter houses when they would electrocute animals. The result is modern slaughter house design where the animals have no suspicion that they are in danger until the final moment. This is called "humaine" slaughterhouse design. Voting centers would have to be designed the same way for your idea to work. Then we would have so-called "humaine" voting centers. Another idea would be to make the voting machines themselves a kind of IQ test where the candidate you choose could be, for instance, the odd man out in a puzzle, or you would have to trace your way into the center of a maze with a stylus to select your candidate. This could be designed to apply to democratic candidates and leftist candidates only. Another idea would be to make these candidates difficult to vote for by posing verbal analogies along the lines of "Gore is to Nader" as a) roadkill is to abyss, b) Gramm is to dam, etc.
In a country where people actually cast ballots for a ticket that had an elderly man and Sarah Palin on it (though Oreobama is not much better), I'm not worried if the first person in line in my light socket test lights up like a Christmas tree. My test will still cull the herd.
Careful, Ron Paul is considered an "Elderly Man." Granted, he would not dream of picking Palin, but here is a nightmare weirdness, what if she ran in 2012 with Ron Paul on her Ticket. Hmmm? Ain't that a fucked up lil' idea.
Trojan Horse! I bet the elites won't let RP rise above his post. 14th district of Texas has a gift directly from the Provider of all that is good in this world.
Exactimento! And an old man who, when he was in the military, bombed his own aircraft carrier and lasted less than 24 hours in combat before being captures (that's the sum total of his entire combat experience). This doofus picked Sarah Palin for VP and Phil Gramm as his ECONned advisor....'nuff said on that score.
+ $1200 !!!
And yet, from time to time, I run into the OPPOSITE of elitists who know a surprisingly amount of what's going on at the street level...
Those who have received any financial assistance (public payroll, military payroll, cash for clunkers, unemployment ins., etc) should not be allowed to vote. Including those that hold public office. Unfortunatley we are past the tipping point - more receive "distributed wealth" than those who don't.
Dood, aren't you leaving out all those debt-financed billionaires which are the primary cause of the colossal national debt and deficit spending?
Or perhaps you are one of those TV-watchers who don't comprehend?
Yeah,how about the people who are now qualified to vote,actually vote,non-participation is a big problem
For democracy to work you need informed citizenry and i dont think hours and hours in front of the TV watching American Idol and jerking off to Paula fucking Abdul makes you an informed citizen. my take is; when the election year comes give everyone a mandatory IQ test to solve and all the individuals who score below 130 can not vote. Also if one refuses to take said IQ test impose a 6 month prison penalty or a 50 000 $ fine and ban them from entering the voting place by checking the IDs of all who come to vote. Create a national registry of retards and update it regularly. Fuck the stupid people.
Can Arnold Schwarzenegger be the hero that saves the day! Change the law and let an Austrian be prezident of the US of A! Change the law so that people from Austria and Kenya can be prezident! Amnesty baby!
Fuck that, lets turn the whole goddamn world into one big ass Randian Utopia and fuck everyone in the ass while we run our own monopolistic bank and are unaccounted in front of any legal body .... Fuck yes .... Anarchy for the poor, cheap labour for the rich ... bitchez ... Fuck you Galt, necessary capital DECLINED.
*disclaimer; Cheeky Bastard hates Rand and everything Randian to such a degree he would stab a bitch if she was alive, then feed her liver to the dogs and her eyes to chickens. This comes directly from observing her self delusion regarding her meta-narrative solutions and her catastrophic and retarded interpretation of Kantian philosophy. May you rot in a transcendental hell you fucking bitch and may that hell be an eternal Stalinist society.
I'm tellin' you, a lottery primary would do it.
Ditto (although I would include Ayn's familiar, Alan Greenspan, along with that description)!!!
tell us how you really feel CB
lol
Amen!
welcome back CB
no doubt that idiots who cannot articulate the trade-offs of their vote(s) have any right to vote on those issues.
very Jeffersonian, the 'prove your understanding' concept of voting rights.
i toy with the concept of weighting votes with their relative "contribution" (taxes), which would really confuse the tax scheisters... they'd have to actually pay for their say (i know, i know, lobbyists aren't free). but the welfare-state recipients wouldn't be able to vote themselves another 'pay raise', and that's appealing.
but allowing everyone the right to earn the privilege sounds great, until the folks we earn it from tweak the test enough to make it impossible for everyone but their friends. witness that when they had tests in the deep south to prove credence to vote. there were two tests... a black version and a white version.
it would be great to have a national registry of retards. it'd be a pretty big book, tho'
Had to reply.....yeah, well with the people who are continuing to get (re)elected I have been very tempted to turn my voter's registration card in. I swear my man (woman) never wins.
"You may have noticed that there's one thing I don't complain about: Politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says, "They suck". But where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. No, they come from American homes, American families, American schools, American churches, American businesses, and they're elected by American voters. This is the best we can do, folks. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out.
....I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain", but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.
I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."
This kind of down to earth, ground to ground remarks have no chance of being taken into account. Too raw, not enough refined.
Made me laugh because reminded me of politicians/voters who blamed the election outcome on the non voters. Could you believe that? Yet it happened.
When I was younger and had faith in mankind, I believed that everyone should have the right to vote. But now, I think the founding fathers had it correct, only those who own land should be able to vote....assuming that everyone who has the ability (cash) also has the right (equality) to purchase land.
That ensures that you have a vested interest in your community and that you pay taxes and/or can be held responsible for paying them. There's a quote out there somewhere about a democracy will fail when people realize that they can vote privileges to themselves. If you own land and realize that your property taxes (or income tax) will increase to pay for said benefits, you are less likely to vote yes on those benefits. IMHO
You know, everytime the ponzi scheme supporting an empire is running dry, people whose position is endangered because not yet fully consolidated always try to find ways to consolidate it.
Check people at the end of the agrarian ponzi scheme which supported the US nineteenth century growth. Same reaction.
What if I have more "ability" than you and my lands are greater? I should get more votes, yes?
Typical male comment....mine is bigger than yours.....well, lets just see if your "ability" is bigger than my ability. ; )
you can not put a quantitative value on an attribute.
But... but... I thought ability = cash. Aw, screw it. I vote for your National Registry of Retards plan.
hell ya, now we are talking ...
We're gonna need some serious computing power for that massive database, though. Might find some used HFT machines on the cheap next week...
sadly most quants fall into the retard category. remember; specialization does not equal intelligence, if it was then 90% of mathematicians would have and IQ of 1000+ and not be shitting into their pants from the excitement when they watch Care Bears re-runs and eating cheerios from wore out shoes.
Let's be honest about the founding fathers here...the only reason they made that stipulation was to prevent being overrun with French Catholics or other 'insurgents'; it was about consolidation of power in existing hands (reasonable, since said hands implemented the revolution...even if they had French help)...likewise the Alien and Sedition Acts.
Smells like feudalism...and you'll have a hard time getting those who are in our government but can't pass the civics exam to leggo the reins of power.
You're right. No limits short of citizenship and residence(for local/county/state issues).
While it may be tempting to use that to disenfranchise some people, it ends up being used a weapon with indiscriminate power.
That, and there's the nasty thing called scope creep. What says they wouldn't raise the bar impossibly high and then jack up the rates for education?
Education [if it can be called that in this day and age] should be the determining factor into who can and who can not vote. I say you have to have a high school education if you wish to vote or need to have a proof that you payed your taxes every year during the past 4 years*. Either of those two.
*disclaimer; i do not believe in paying taxes since all governments fund themselves exclusively trough internal/external borrowing.
Just starting with a voting exam, speaking English for one, would be pretty important. And some current events, civics questions. Like who was the last U.S. President and such. Then those morons on MTV and Real Wives of Plasticsurgeryville would never be able to vote, or Jessica Simpson, and none of those people on Leno that don't know how many stars in the flag, or which is the largest state...I could go on but it would be very easy to cull the herd on a voting exam. If there can be a written driving test a voting exam could be generated in a month's time.
National exam? Who would control the questions? ACT? SAT? Does your score determine you future?
"...and spark 60 years of wealth..."
Well not exactly, as 30 years of that was DEBT (credit expansion) disguised as wealth, which destroyed the first 30 years of wealth.
Well, if you want to be exact the first thirty years of the 60 year period was not exactly a spark. It was more like we were the only industrial economy left fully standing on the planet, and this fact was paired with the economic takeover of failed European imperialism. The takeover of bankrupt/failed European imperialism was based initially on the premise of preventing the spread of communism, but it is readily apparent we grew pretty attached to this inherited empire.
And then you also have to frame that in the context of a 94% drop in the value of the dollar since 1913.
There should be an additional poll. If one answers YES then it should present the second poll which asks, "Do You Consider Yourself A Useful Idiot", with three possible choices: Yes!...Hell Yes!...What is a Useful Idiot?
The third choice should generate an automatic Hell Yes!
It took me a moment...LOL! I would be hitting the green back button - does that automatically generate the same?
+ DJIA in 2013
well done, LoneStarHog sir, very well done ...
Define, 'faith'.
Faith can move mountains, but bring a gigantic lever just in case.
How in the hell do you move a mountain with a lever. Bulldozer seems a bit more practical. Do you vote?
Depends on tha lever.
Yeah, I vote.
This time...
"If They're In They're Out."
Proposal for OH
You know the phrase from Archimedes about a Lever...
Write a piece, keep it simple for the public...
Almost no one in the public knows about this...
It should reverberate around the world...
Five questions and answers...
Why can GS borrow from the Fed virtually for free?
Who put this in place? (hint...tha Hankster and Geithner)
How much money has GS made doing this buying Treasuries and Repoing them to tha Fed?
How much from this Scam is reflected in Bonuses?
What effect has the Fed/Treasuries/Repoing Scam had on Treasury Auctions?
Faith is the suspension of disbelief.
Naaah, suspension of disbelief is a very passive thing. It doesn't energize a person to an affirmative act of any consequence. Maybe a humor try on your part, but it's a cynic's try. Faith is the thing that dirves your "no matter what" actions in life. Everyone has faith, because everyone has a "no matter what" thing they will do. Even John Lennon ultimately showed he had faith in Yoko. She was his "no matter what", no matter the contents of his song "believe". And I'm NOT a Lennon fan--sorry L-H.
who the fuck voted yes. prolly wanger and his cohort of 50 different ZH profiles.
One thing I have learned: It's damn nigh impossible to drink coffee and read these posts..
haven't seen the ol' guy around since last Wed. You have to admit he was pretty entertaining, troll or not.