Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

Somebody has some explaining to do... or did the Syrian airstrikes just 'distract' the citizenry from the reality surrounding the Skripal poisoning.

Remember how we were told my the politicians (not the scientists) that a deadly Novichok nerve agent - produced by Russia - was used in the attempted assassination of the Skripals? Remember the 50 questions (here and here) we had surrounding the 'facts' as Theresa May had laid them out? Ever wonder why, given how utterly deadly we were told this chemical was, the Skripals wondered around for a few hours after being 'infected' and then days later, survived with no chronic damage?

Well those doubts may well have just been answered as according to the independent Swiss state Spiez lab, the substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, which was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.

RT reports that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW), that Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ.

The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW.

However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document, the Russian foreign minister added.

He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include any other information provided by the Swiss in its report.

On a side note, the Swiss lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW.

The Russian foreign minister said that London refused to answer dozens of “very specific” questions asked by Moscow about the Salisbury case, as well as to provide any substantial evidence that could shed light on the incident.

Instead, the UK accused Russia of failing to answer its own questions, he said, adding that, in fact, London did not ask any questions but wanted Moscow to admit that it was responsible for the delivery of the chemical agent to the UK.

But hey, who cares about any of that? Diplomats have been sent home, Putin has been anointed Hitler, and besides, what about those missiles in Syria?


Klassenfeind Looney Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:07 Permalink

"Somebody has some explaining to do..."

You think so?

Dufus Trump, Mike Pompeo, James Mattis, Nikki Haley and all the rest of the Deep State Crew that Trump has surrounded himself with, will completely ignore these Swiss findings and just drone on and on with their scripted and rehearsed sound bites.

Those sound bites are then repeated 24/7 in the Brainwash Mainstream Media, and the sheeple won't even know that this Swiss report exists.

"War is a perfect cover for a market crash that was baked in the cake anyway."

My thoughts exactly! I'm sure that the US/UK/NATO will come up with another False Flag event (perhaps a terrorist attack in Europe which will be pinned on Iran?) in order to justify continuing the bombings. "One-time shot" my ass!

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Adolph.H. IH8OBAMA Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:22 Permalink

I know you trust CNN more because they are so honest. 

The good news is: if the public at large finally hears about the results of this Swiss lab, I have little doubt Theresa May will claim that the Russians have synthesized it, just because she is so original, intelligent and more importantly benevolent. And you will believe it, of course. 

In the meantime I wonder what have the brits done with the Skripals? I'm sure lavrov thinks the same... also: who found them on the park bench? Russia should at least thank him on behalf on the Skripals. 


It's okay not to be a Jew.

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Manthong Adolph.H. Sat, 04/14/2018 - 12:24 Permalink

Congatulations Donald Trump…

You obviously understand equating Hillary’s effective cloth data cleanse  with attempting cleaning the evidence in Syria with missiles and aircraft.

So what is the difference between Bill Clinton’s Yugoslavia, W Bush’s Iraq, Obama’s Libya, May’s Salisbury and Trump’s Syria?

None... and now Russia, China and Iran are keenly aware that there is no difference.

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Slack Jack Oldguy05 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:38 Permalink

This latest chemical attack in Syria is yet another FALSE FLAG.

Just like all the previous chemical attacks in Syria were FALSE FLAG events.

Just like the Skripal "chemical attack" in Britain was a FALSE FLAG event.

Trump is a Jew (so are Macron and Theresa May, by the way).

It seems the Jews want war,.... yet again.

If Putin does not respond, with force, to force,....

We can only conclude that Putin is a Jew too; Putin the new Hitler.

If you wish to see how real wars are conducted, read:

Proof that Adolf Hitler was a double agent.

It seems pretty weird when you first read it, but its clearly true.


Does anyone actually think a single missile was fired?

OR,... is it all massively coordinated false news.


The 30 or 40 missiles that got through should have left a few holes here and there.

Unless, of course, it is all BS.

It is 2 PM in Damascus; the video clips should have been up-loaded hours ago.

But there don't seem to be any.

"That's not the way the world really works anymore. We (Jews) are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality (by outright lies)... We're history's actors (the creators of huge wars)... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do (and get away with it)."



FireBrander "Video will come, Aerial photos will come"

But it will take some time and many will see that everything is BS.

If the missiles had really flown we would have videos of the results all over the internet, long ago.

This time they messed up big time. SAD.

If they rush the cover up, it may turn out worse than not having any evidence at all.

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Slack Jack Slack Jack Sat, 04/14/2018 - 19:39 Permalink


Remember, the evil people, Theresa May, Stoltenberg, Trump and the rest, are damning Russia with obvious lies.

The Novichok nerve agents don't even exist.


The Novichok nerve agents are supposedly much more toxic than the nerve gases VX or Sarin (and yet the Skripals are still alive!?).

Mirzayanov's book, published in 2008, contains the formulas he alleges can be used to create Novichoks. In 1995, he explained that "the chemical components or precursors" of Novichok are "ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides."…

Basically, Mirzayanov claims that it is relatively easy to make the Novichok nerve agents.

So, some enterprising Arabs could buy a few chemists to make a few tons of it and then spray it all over the little Satan.

Do you really think that the Jews who run the United States would allow the publication of information that could lead to thousands of deaths in Israel?

Do you really think they would protect the publisher of such information by giving him residence in the United States?

Remember, Mirzayanov was given residence (and a University position) in the United States after he was kicked out of Russia.

There are also a number of "people who should know" that have stated that there is zero solid evidence for the existence of the Novichok nerve agents. For example: Robin Black in Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents (2016):

"In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published."…

And, Alexander Shulgin, Russia's representative to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (2018):

"There has never been a ‘Novichok’ research project conducted in Russia,... But in the West, some countries carried out such research, which they called 'Novichok,' for some reason."

CONCLUSION: The Novichok nerve agents don't even exist.

It has been said that: The Skripals are still alive for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. The exposure was too low.
2. They were given an antidote shortly after being exposed.

A killer would probably find it difficult to administer a dose low enough not to kill.

One drop containing 10 milligrams of VX (or 1 milligram of Novichok) absorbed through the skin is fatal.

The antidote atropine (which is quite toxic) must be administered immediately unless the dose is exceedingly low. How did they know to administer it?

If the dose was exceedingly small then those who administered the Novichok did not mean to kill.

If those who administered the Novichok meant to kill, the Skripals would be dead.


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el buitre Mr. Ed Sat, 04/14/2018 - 21:37 Permalink

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”--Joseph Goebbels

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SirBarksAlot Oldguy05 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 20:45 Permalink

I so agree.  Experts are always saying that the US has control of Japan and Europe.  But we all know that the banking families are the real controllers.  And is it a coinkeydink that all the presidents up until the current one were related to the Queen of England?  Note that all of their Prime Ministers were not related to George Washington.  So there is your proof.

Trump is a real president.  The rest were all puppets.

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FBaggins Oldguy05 Sun, 04/15/2018 - 11:16 Permalink

For the Skripal fiasco my guess is that there were three separate puppets in play - MI5, MI6 and the CIA, and they somehow got their strings tangled up. The Scenario - Part I:

The CIA with Trump’s approval asked the Brits for a little demonstration and strengthening of the Syrian poison gas theme in a way to implicate Russia, as it would probably be necessary after the next poison-gas false-flag in Syria to have a justification to also kill Russians. The request would have gone from the CIA in London to MI6 which agency would have cleared it with higherups (probably Teresa May and Boris Johnson were in on it), and then MI6 and MI5 would have worked out the plan to target the Skripal’s. MI5 would have procured the toxin after doing some sloppy research showing a connection between Russia and some novichoks nerve gases. Then some outside black-ops unit would have been utilized to do the actual dirty work (CIA or perhaps Mossad).  

How they did it does not really matter now, because we all know that they did it.

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FBaggins FBaggins Sun, 04/15/2018 - 15:14 Permalink

The Scenario - Part II: 

The alternate media, Russian denial and questioning, and politicians like Nigel Farage, made Teresa May, Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, the BBC, and the entire MSM of the West look like clowns in a circus, as they peddled their false accusations and fake news about the Skripal alleged poisonings.

Before any reliable evidence could possibly have been mustered to blame the Russians or anyone else, May, Johnson and Trump together with the MSM jumped the gun and immediately blamed them, kicking out most of their diplomats, and threatening dire consequences regardless of the implausibilities, obvious questions, and the lack of evidence.   They were clearly in a great hurry to accuse Russia for some reason, and that reason was to implicate Russia with the Assad government in the next poison-gas false-flag scheduled to take place in Syria. (This, by the way, is not 20-20 hindsight. The exact scenario was predicted in comments beforehand on ZH after the Skripal poisonings and a week before the latest fake poison gas attack in Syria on April 7.)  

However, despite the all the prostituted thrusts and faked groanings of the politicians and the MSM, the official version was just too contrived to be convincing. The propaganda to the public was appeared as a continuation of the incredulous fake-news, Russia- bashing campaign, and the use of poison gas on the Skirpal’s reminded too many skeptics of the false-flag sarin gas attack in Syria one year ago.

With the increasing credibility problems of the Skirpal affair, when the next false-flag alleged poison gas attack did occur about one week ago on April 7, the degree of doubt and mistrust cast in the already polluted MSM air of the West, made the US-UK official narrative blaming the Assad regime even more incredulous, and the carefully engineered false-flag simply became  insufficiently unreliable to garner even widespread NATO support for the proposed missile and air strikes on Syria. For the US, the UK and France they simply did not have enough juice to start killing Russians. The rest of the world was not buying it.

Consequently, the US and Russia worked out a deal whereby the US together with the UK and French air support would put on a dazzling display of military might right in the heart of Syria. The deal was obviously that there would be no loss of life. To the dismay of Israel, the US would give ample warning to the Russians of any target areas allowing the removal of personnel and anything valuable. The US was to be given the opportunity to save face by demonstrating with the strike the great prowess and presence of the US-UK-French-Israeli axis (all Zio-Rothschild-controlled nations) over Syria (despite the fact that the Russians are busy kicking their asses out of there). Tragically, Israel had its own agenda to escalate the conflict and attacked an Iranian base in Syria killing 24 servicemen.

Presently, the axis heads and intelligence agencies are most likely meeting some place to determine how they can engineer events in Syria to justify eliminating Russians from the field without loosing more trust, credibility, and goodwill from other nations in the world, and also risking starting another world war. The prediction is that there will be some provocation or attack necessitating retaliation, or there will be another and more carefully planned a major false-flag, like the sinking of an American warship. The wolves running things in the West are after world hegemony before China gets too strong. Presently, Syria, Iran and Russia remain their main obstacles. Then there are the Zio-Nazis of Israel whose expansionism in the ME remains unrepressed.  They are parcel of the Rothschild cabal and they use the US, the UK, while those nations use them. They are presently engaged in destabilization operations in Iran using their main, weapons of money, radicalizing sects, blackmail, intimidation, and terrorism to incite unrest and create division. Failing that, their tendency is to precipitate a war, which will likely be based on false allegations that Iran is creating nukes. These factors entail that the monsters running the West have to take out Syria to achieve their goals. If they can fragment the nation in any significant way at this time all of their efforts will have been worth it, but if they fail their grand agenda will be stymied. Lets help them fail.

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serotonindumptruck D503 Sat, 04/14/2018 - 17:45 Permalink

While it may require a PhD in chemical engineering, the synthesis of chemical warfare agents (or MDMA, LSD, etc.) only require the precursor chemicals and the necessary laboratory equipment.

The ability to synthesize these chemical compounds is secondary to the will (or desire) to do so.

If the required precursors are available, it's a relatively simple task.

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Ace006 serotonindumptruck Sat, 04/14/2018 - 18:08 Permalink

That may be but your statement does strike me a bit as falling in the category of statements where someone says, "Its easy to synthesize U-235.  Just get you some uranium and some centrifuges."

Novichok agents were apparently developed with the idea they can be formulated from commonly available chemicals.  Having a leak-proof containment vessel for the final stage of that process seems like a hugely important requirement and it might entail some $$$.  Maybe not as simple a process as you say.

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