Special Prosecutor Mueller Is a Political Hack

The New York Times characterizes special prosecutor Robert Mueller as being independent and fair:

Robert S. Mueller III managed in a dozen years as F.B.I. director to stay above the partisan fray, carefully cultivating a rare reputation for independence and fairness.

Let’s fact-check the Times …

Anthrax Frame-Up

Mueller presided over the incredibly flawed anthrax investigation.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office says the FBI’s investigation was “flawed and inaccurate”.  The investigation was so bogus that a senator called for an “independent review and assessment of how the FBI handled its investigation in the anthrax case.”

The head of the FBI’s anthrax investigation says the whole thing was a sham. He says that the FBI higher-ups “greatly obstructed and impeded the investigation”, that there were “politically motivated communication embargos from FBI Headquarters”.

Moreover, the anthrax investigation head said that the FBI framed scientist Bruce Ivins.  On July 6, 2006, the FBI’s anthrax investigation FBI Plaintiff provided a whistleblower report of mismanagement to the FBI’s Deputy Director pursuant to Title 5, United States Code, Section 2303, which noted:

(j) the FBI’s fingering of Bruce Ivins as the anthrax mailer; and, (k) the FBI’s subsequent efforts to railroad the prosecution of Ivins in the face of daunting exculpatory evidence.


Following the announcement of its circumstantial case against Ivins, Defendants DOJ and FBI crafted an elaborate perception management campaign to bolster their assertion of Ivins’ guilt. These efforts included press conferences and highly selective evidentiary presentations which were replete with material omissions.

In other words, Mueller presided over the attempt to frame an innocent man (and see this).

Unsure About Assassination of U.S. Citizens Living On U.S. Soil

Rather than saying “of course not!”, Mueller said that he wasn’t sure whether Obama had the right to assassinate Americans living on American soil.

Constitutional expert Jonathan Turley commented at the time:

One would hope that the FBI Director would have a handle on a few details guiding his responsibilities, including whether he can kill citizens without a charge or court order.




He appeared unclear whether he had the power under the Obama Kill Doctrine or, in the very least, was unwilling to discuss that power. For civil libertarians, the answer should be easy: “Of course, I do not have that power under the Constitution.”

Spying on Americans

Mueller participated in one of the greatest expansions of mass surveillance in human history.  As we noted in 2013:

NBC News reports:

NBC News has learned that under the post-9/11 Patriot Act, the government has been collecting records on every phone call made in the U.S.

On March 2011, FBI Director Robert Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee:

We put in place technological improvements relating to the capabilities of a database to pull together past emails and future ones as they come in so that it does not require an individualized search.

Remember, the FBI – unlike the CIA – deals with internal matters within the borders of the United States.


On May 1st of this year, former FBI agent Tim Clemente told CNN’s Erin Burnett that all present and past phone calls were recorded:

BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It’s not a voice mail. It’s just a conversation. There’s no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?


CLEMENTE: “No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It’s not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the ainvestigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.


BURNETT: “So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.


CLEMENTE: “No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not.”

The next day, Clemente again appeared on CNN, this time with host Carol Costello, and she asked him about those remarks. He reiterated what he said the night before but added expressly that “all digital communications in the past” are recorded and stored:



NSA whistleblowers say that this means that the NSA collects “word for word” all of our communications.

FBI special agent – and a 2002 Time Person of the Year – Colleen Rowley writes:

Mueller’s FBI was also severely criticized by Department of Justice Inspector Generals finding the FBI overstepped the lhttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=68066&action=edit… improperly serving hundreds of thousands of “national security letters” to obtain private (and irrelevant) metadata on citizens, and for infiltrating nonviolent anti-war groups under the guise of investigating “terrorism.”


FBI special agent Colleen Rowley points out:

Mueller was even okay with the CIA conducting torture programs after his own agents warned against participation. Agents were simply instructed not to document such torture, and any “war crimes files” were made to disappear. Not only did “collect it all” surveillance and torture programs continue, but Mueller’s (and then Comey’s) FBI later worked to prosecute NSA and CIA whistleblowers who revealed these illegalities.

Iraq War

Rowley notes:

When you had the lead-up to the Iraq War … Mueller and, of course, the CIA and all the other directors, saluted smartly and went along with what Bush wanted, which was to gin up the intelligence to make a pretext for the Iraq War. For instance, in the case of the FBI, they actually had a receipt, and other documentary proof, that one of the hijackers, Mohamed Atta, had not been in Prague, as Dick Cheney was alleging. And yet those directors more or less kept quiet. That included … CIA, FBI, Mueller, and it included also the deputy attorney general at the time, James Comey.

Post 9/11 Round-Up

FBI special agent Rowley also notes:

Beyond ignoring politicized intelligence, Mueller bent to other political pressures. In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, Mueller directed the “post 9/11 round-up” of about 1,000 immigrants who mostly happened to be in the wrong place (the New York City area) at the wrong time. FBI Headquarters encouraged more and more detentions for what seemed to be essentially P.R. purposes. Field offices were required to report daily the number of detentions in order to supply grist for FBI press releases about FBI “progress” in fighting terrorism. Consequently, some of the detainees were brutalized and jailed for up to a year despite the fact that none turned out to be terrorists.

9/11 Cover Up

Rowley points out:

The FBI and all the other officials claimed that there were no clues, that they had no warning [about 9/11] etc., and that was not the case. There had been all kinds of memos and intelligence coming in. I actually had a chance to meet Director Mueller personally the night before I testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee … [he was] trying to get us on his side, on the FBI side, so that we wouldn’t say anything terribly embarrassing. …

But overwhelming evidence shows that 9/11 was foreseeable. Indeed, Al Qaeda crashing planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon was itself foreseeable. Even the chair of the 9/11 Commission said that the attack was preventable.

Rowley also said says:

TIME Magazine would probably have not called my own disclosures a “bombshell memo” to the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry in May 2002 if it had not been for Mueller’s having so misled everyone after 9/11.

In addition, Rowley says that the FBI sent Soviet-style “minders” to her interviews with the Joint Intelligence Committee investigation of 9/11, to make sure that she didn’t say anything the FBI didn’t like.  The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 confirmed that government “minders” obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses (and see this).

Mueller’s FBI also obstructed the 9/11 investigation in many other ways. For example,  an FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location.  And see this.

And Kristen Breitweiser – one of the four 9/11 widows instrumental in forcing the government to form the 9/11 Commission to investigate the 2001 attacks – points out:

Mueller and other FBI officials had purposely tried to keep any incriminating information specifically surrounding the Saudis out of the Inquiry’s investigative hands. To repeat, there was a concerted effort by the FBI and the Bush Administration to keep incriminating Saudi evidence out of the Inquiry’s investigation. And for the exception of the 29 full pages, they succeeded in their effort.


Rather than being “above the fray”, Mueller is an authoritarian and water-carrier for the status quo and the powers-that-be.

As Coleen Rowley puts it:

It seems clear that based on his history and close “partnership” with Comey, called “one of the closest working relationships the top ranks of the Justice Department have ever seen,” Mueller was chosen as Special Counsel not because he has integrity but because he will do what the powerful want him to do.


Mueller didn’t speak the truth about a war he knew to be unjustified. He didn’t speak out against torture. He didn’t speak out against unconstitutional surveillance. And he didn’t tell the truth about 9/11. He is just “their man.”


While not the worst of the bunch, neither Comey nor Mueller deserve their Jimmy Stewart ‘G-man’ reputations for absolute integrity but have merely been, along the lines of George ‘Slam Dunk’ Tenet, capable and flexible politicized sycophants to power, that enmeshed them in numerous wrongful abuses of power along with presiding over plain official incompetence. It’s sad that political partisanship is so blinding and that so few people remember the actual sordid history.


goober BullyBearish Fri, 06/16/2017 - 23:03 Permalink

Agree,  much of the endless extreme accusations and false narratives are a distraction from the many crimes the prior regime was involved in. That of course includes Hillary, BHO, Holder, Podesta, Reid, Lynch, Comey and every other head of the spook agencies that have been severely corrupted and politicized. It really is a swamp of criminals that have run our government for a very long time. BHO just put it all on steroids because he could !

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nmewn goober Sat, 06/17/2017 - 08:03 Permalink

Add this George, Comey lied under oath...

  • In his testimony, Mr. Comey stated that he was “not *** aware of” “any kind of memorandum issued from the Attorney General or the Department of Justice to the FBI outlining the parameters of [the Attorney General’s] recusal.” However, on March 2, 2017, the Attorney General’s Chief of Staff sent the attached email specifically informing Mr. Comey and other relevant Department officials of the recusal and its parameters, and advising that each of them instruct their staff “not to brief the Attorney General *** about, or otherwise involve the Attorney General *** in, any such matters described.”


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Thom Paine 847328_3527 Sat, 06/17/2017 - 11:09 Permalink

They will not be successful in any impeachment attempt. It will die at the first hurdle.And, impeach the POTUS for exercising his Executive Powers, something previous presidents have done.There has to be criminality or clear criminal corruption before you can impeach. The Dems are playing with themselves, and hoping to scare the Republicans into doing nothing.But Trump doesn't need to fire Mueller really - a simple posoecution of Comey which calls Mueller in to testify, and calling Mueller before Congress to answer questions of any conversations with Comey regarding the memo at or after the leaking, and if he did know why didn't her report it as legally required...and so forth.  And likewise calling Mueller in to answer questions regarding leaks from his office, and to give reason why he shouldn't be removed.Mueller can become so tainted that his position becomes a farce.

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DuneCreature VWAndy Sat, 06/17/2017 - 00:26 Permalink

You bring up interesting points that I get from others I talk to about 911.

How in the world do you pull off a caper that big and that complicated, involving so many people, and how do you make them all keep silent.

Well, several techniques are involved.

1) A Biggie - Compartmentalization. ... You can have a lot of participants in a scheme but only a small number who actually know or knew at the time what the operation was all about. ... With NO whistleblower protections whatsoever no one will come forward after the fact either.

2) National Security and the severe consequences of breaking protocol and revealing 'classified material' even though the documents and evidence clearly show criminal behavior with premeditated criminal intent.

3) Peer Pressure - Others with the same knowledge you have who are not stepping forward that are intensely pressuring you to do the same.

4) Fear of being held personally responsible for the crime even though you were largely duped into your role.. .. The "You jump off of the cliff first" problem.

5) Fear of reprisal by the other perpetrators. .. Rat on the gang and you're are targeted as a snitch.

Combine those points with some luck and the fact that a lot of people would rather NOT know how bad they were played. ... Or face how stupid and lazy they really are and the bad actors pulled it off.

That is how it was done.

And now time is eroding the relevance who and why.

Live Hard, An Extreme And Masterful Example Of The Covert Planning, Command And Control Of A Huge False Flag Psy-Op, Die Free

~ DC v6.5

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DuneCreature VWAndy Sat, 06/17/2017 - 08:16 Permalink

I hear you.

(My response to above and below)

There is some evidence and some speculation that the whole thing was run out several times in advance using 'war gaming super computers'.

Computers are very good at detail and covering all the programmed in bases.... Taking care of contingencies. ..Planning for wild card events. ... Cleaning up 'loose ends'.

Oh yes, and there is tons of evidence that some parties planned out in advance how to 'cash in' on the event. .. Some built in to the scheme and some by rogue 'in the know' parties who made money on 'side bets'. ......... Example - Cheney knew he and Carlye Group would strike gold on future MIC contracts long term. ... And some were playing airline stocks short on the inside that paid off as 'instant winners' post 911. ..... They were probably the rogue players.

Live Hard, Super War Gaming Computers Can Pre-Plan With Billions and Billions Of Data Points Predicting AND Altering The Future, Die Free

~ DC v6.5

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jeff montanye hedda.lettuce Sun, 06/18/2017 - 02:38 Permalink

the manhattan project can be used as an example of scale and duration kept secret.  for four to six years, well over a hundred thousand people were involved at thirty places in three countries making the atomic bomb in ww2.when vice president harry truman became president on roosevelt's death in april of '45, it was two weeks before he was told of the bomb.for me, the best evidence of the falsity of the official story is that, were it true, the u.s. government would have acted far differently.  the investigations into the buildings' collapses would have been long and detailed with nothing like shipping the evidentiary steel as fast as possible to china for melting or ruling out explosions in the case of building seven.  black boxes and surveillance photos at the pentagon would be revealed in all their plentitude and detail.  now the dilatory attitude of the government toward "muslim terrorism" would be hushed up and lied about but the proof of the reality of the attack as described would not be so ephemeral and hidden. 

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Son of Loki DuneCreature Sat, 06/17/2017 - 07:38 Permalink

Condy Rice later testified to Congress that she had told Bush several times that an attack was imminent and most likely on the WTC but she said he kep twaving her away and finally ignored her and left for his vacation at Camp David.So Bush knew about it but simply ignored the attack. Seems like inaction is implies him as an accomplice in one way or the other.

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Northern Flicker DuneCreature Sat, 06/17/2017 - 20:06 Permalink

Perhaps worth adding that:6) ~ 170 members of ~ 1,000 members of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) are news personnel (ref: Corbett Report).  You won't get any MSM attention for 9-11 truth; in fact, there has been a major disinformation program. 7) Crisis actors appear to be well-vetted in advance of these events by Security Agencies.  No doubt they are signing-off on non-disclosure agreements with significant ramifications if broken; not including job security / loss of future jobs  and loss of donation moneys for past events (also ties in with 2, 3, 4, and 5 above).8) Many airline pilots, personnel (and other experts) have, in fact, credibly stated that the government's story is impossible.  However, most of the pilots are retired, as current pilots can lose their jobs (psychological evaluation). See, for e.g.,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RynyzE6GvZ49) The inability to understand/explain how everything was carried out on 911 may prohibit some people from talking who only see a small part of lie; especially, what happened to the passengers. As a side note: Rebekha Roth (pseudonym?) describes herself as a former airline stewardess.  Along with her followers, I believe she may have tied together a lot of the 9-11 loose ends in her 3 (fictional) books.  Her present theory suggests that the planes with passengers were landed quickly, the planes hidden, the passengers gassed and then cremated. Some of the airline personnel may have been duped into believing they were taking part in a drill. Like George Webb (who she follows) she has had a lot of followers who have provided her with small pieces of the story as she goes along. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTexy8xG6QIChristopher Bollyn has also put together solid documentation http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book 

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jeff montanye Northern Flicker Sun, 06/18/2017 - 02:49 Permalink

all good.  that there were so many practices and war games on that day is another tell.  the amount of israeli systems and programming involved is astounding.  you can be sure israel would never allow another country such privileges.voltaire has the mossad on tv admitting "we came to document the event" in hebrew (i think).  any confirms?http://www.voltairenet.org/article179295.htmlhttp://www.whale.to/b/isra….   http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/everything-rich-man-trick/https://smile… 

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indio007 Fri, 06/16/2017 - 21:52 Permalink

"In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper - either here in the United States, or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere - that mentioned any aspect of the September 11 plot."

chunga Fri, 06/16/2017 - 21:53 Permalink

Well done GW. The guy should be fired and if he isn't, I don't buy the excuse the fake news media will make it look bad.Just do it, it doesn't matter what the media says. That's the theoretical difference between a republic and a democracy.

goober chunga Fri, 06/16/2017 - 22:44 Permalink

Yes excellent article and references. And it is time to do what you gotta do and not consider what PRAVDA/MSM and the deep state say about it with evermore fake shit and lies. I realize DT and crew must also use theor own tacticl reasoning and do this accordingly. It is time to turn the tables on these criminals and expose them as the false paradigms and third wheel that they are. As well who is responsible for nearly all political and racial violence in USA ? 

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GRDguy Fri, 06/16/2017 - 22:33 Permalink

This is just one more illustration of the fact that most high offices (government AND corporate)have become controlled by sociopaths. 

LOL123 Fri, 06/16/2017 - 22:38 Permalink

Mueller was hand picked precisly because of his mindset. This narrative is null and void but kept alive for the sole purpose to get another President in with the same mind set... Forget democracy " it's just a piece of paper" as President Bush said of the Constitution... Wonder who he and Daddy warbucks has in mind. Someone who learns the Lesson being unfolded for them with a roll of duck tape for their mouths...shhhhhh like Bill and Hillary and Obama fingers over the mouth and the off with his head motion by Bush Sr. .... Oh that secret shadow government isn't done with Trump by a long shot.... Stay vigilant my friends and open your your mouths and shed light on the dark side in our government...or throw in the towel now.

thebigunit Fri, 06/16/2017 - 22:46 Permalink

Mueller is NOT a "Special Prosecutor".  There is no crime to prosecute.He's a "Special Counsel".I think that means he counsels people with special needs.

DuneCreature Sat, 06/17/2017 - 00:17 Permalink

*** Day 237.00 from the George Webb YouTube Channel ***

Historic Stuff Here, People.

I think George spent most of his time in detention thinking up more content for videos.

Does the guy ever sleep?

He and Jason are back out in Fly Over Zaney Brainy Country putting out videos like their hair is on fire.

Day 237.01 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_ppc6L9Vs
` (George would like a retraction printed in the NYT - Cris Maley)

Day 237.02 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owXdAq7PtPs
` (The Diplomatic Pouch From Hell (tm) is an excellent cover all sorts of criminal activity. ........ This is a matter of survival for George because McCabe is using JTTF to try and destroy him ....... I know exactly how you feel, George. ..So will a lot of other people before this Evil Pirate battle is over.)

Day 237.03 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWXDBEAXgxI
` (The Awan Brothers is the focus of George's crowd sourced investigation. ....... The Constant Lying, Mis-Information, and Propaganda Spewing forth from the dot gov and the ghost-like 'Depp State' isn't where George is going with his work here. .... But if you happen to stumble-on, catch wind or outright see massive criminal behavior while looking into the Awan brother spying, hacking and theft case you might want to make a little mental note to yourself for future attention.)

NSPD-51 = Self-Given Presidential Power to declare Martial Law

PDD - 62 = Covert Operations and Joint Direct Actions against We The People by the CIA / FBI / DHS .......... Think that is impossible?

Look them up. ..................................... Please.

Day 237.04 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TlFNsLo3QQ
` (George puts Action Jason on an airplane in Columbus OH..
Journalists are now becoming 'suspicious persons' headed directly for "Enemies Of The State". ......... George is walking point for us, people. ......... Wish him well. .... I appreciate what you are doing in spades, Mr Webb.)

Day 237.05 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh8C6s2CUbo
` (George dismantles the CNN 'hit piece' and slices up the professionalism of CNN like a sushi chef making lunch. ... George is doing something historic here about once an hour. ... You only get this almost real time raw feed intel on ZeroHedge an maybe a dozen other websites, folks. .. When the Evil Pirates blow the bottom out of the Internet it is over and they will control and contort everything you see and hear. ....... Think about it and do your part to spread the saga of George around. .... It is the battle between light and darkness you are watching.)

George does CNN = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmjNoJSAw5c

What Could Possibly Go Wrong? =
` (A Smut Munt Miracle News Story - George gives CNN a great big Fact Check Wedgey. ............. Who in the fuck is fake news again?.. CNN isn't fake news, they are Bald Face Lie News Inc (tm)
(Well what do you expect from the CIA)

Gulftainer - Your full service terrorist owned seaport management corporation. ... What could go right with that?)

Live Hard, Open Source Investigations Are Going To Make History If We Can Make Them Go Viral And Catch On, Die Free

~ DC v6.5

Giant Meteor Fri, 06/16/2017 - 23:30 Permalink

"Mueller Framed An Innocent Man In a Witch Hunt, Obstructed Justice Regarding 9/11, Promoted Spying On Americans, Torture, and the Iraq War, And Said Maybe Americans Living On U.S. Soil Could Be Assassinated By the Government ..."That is one hell of a resume ...

AKKadian Fri, 06/16/2017 - 23:57 Permalink

Everyone in Washington is a political hack, and everyone that has been in Washington over the last 60 years, that weren't tourists are political hacks.!!!

NAV Sat, 06/17/2017 - 00:07 Permalink

There’s little doubt that Trump is undergoing a counterattack from the Establishment after the drubbing he gave them in November. But he’s not their real target. Their chief enemy is one they are likely to have for decades to come. Nothing can stop the corruption and tyranny of the Establishment like a few well placed middle class attacks. For it is white Christian middle class America that laments the decline of the American Dream. And it elected Trump because of his firm stand for American sovereignty and opposition to Globalism. For fifty years the world has been on a march toward world government and if that should succeed, freedom and representative government everywhere in the West will perish. In order for the middle class to have power to halt that march it needs to be organized around an institution. Communism’s most important and unified enemy always has been and will be Christianity. Why? Because Communism is synonymous with totalitarian government and Christianity is synonymous with freedom for the individual. America’s Christian Founding Fathers put America on an unending route against tyranny and this is now developing as a patriotic stand against world government. Trump may be under attack but the good news is the Establishment is taking on the vast support Trump obtained in the election.And the Establishment -- animals the likes of Robert S. Mueller III engaging assassinations, sabotage, surveillance, torture and treason, and war against innocents while unfettered industry makes enormous profits from the carnage of foreign lands -- are being outed in the process.Thanks, George. We have seen the enemy and he is filth.

NAV I Want to Believe Sat, 06/17/2017 - 10:37 Permalink

Whether or not you understand it, the foundation of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution was based on Christian principles, principles acknowledged in the New Testament, including the Ten Commandments. And it is the Christian fruit from the growth of that "tree of liberty" that we are losing. Ideally, our government was established to protect the lives and property of citizens. But the government was seized by the world’s wealthiest bankers in 1913. Now, the people’s property and rights and liberty are in the hands of these tyrants. For they have so corrupted, paid off, and blackmailed the Congress that only the interests of the bankers and the international corporatists are served. Because of the acceleration in the loss of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights (freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to be secure in your person, house, papers, and effects, etc.), you are headed for chattel slavery, whether you stay in your house with the doors and windows locked or not. To survive, to hold on to as many freedoms as we can secure, we must stand together. And the exclusive bond that held this nation together in the past was its Christian heritage and beliefs. It benefited both Christian and non-Christian alike. And that is the cohesive bond on which we could agree that those who would rule us seek to destroy.

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NAV hedda.lettuce Sat, 06/17/2017 - 15:22 Permalink

I understand what's wrong with America. I understand who controls our money and bought off our courts, our foreign policy, our two-party system, our Congress, our media, Hollywood and our entertainment industry. And as a result of that control, controls all commerce. If Trump continues to surround himself with Jews in the Oval Office and as deciders of US foreign and domestic policy, then, yes, you and I and every patriotic American should be concerned for our country and, ultimately, for our lives. As Winston Churchill pointed out in 1920 in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, this worldwide movement amongst the Jews for the overthrow of civilization is not new… Was it not James P. Warburg, son of Federal Reserve founder and banker Paul Warburg, who told the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee that “….studies led me, ten years ago, to the conclusion that…we shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest.”I'm taking you believe it will be by consent.

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mc888 NAV Sat, 06/17/2017 - 10:30 Permalink

Christianity is synonymous with freedom for the individual

Funny, the Iranian troll hanging around a couple of weeks ago said the same thing about Communism. You're both delusional."Do what we say or you're going to hell."... is the textbook definition of terrorism.Christianity is a totalitarian, fascist, terrorist ideology bent on world domination. It's mission to oppress individual freedoms is rivaled only by Islam and Communism.Our forefathers came here to escape the Tyranny of the Church, and wrote the Constitution to prevent that from ever happening here.Have a nice day, SLAVE.

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NAV mc888 Sat, 06/17/2017 - 10:56 Permalink

By their fruits, ye shall know them. William Bradford• wrote that they [the Pilgrims] were seeking: • 1) "a better, and easier place of living”; and that “the children of the group were being drawn away by evil examples into extravagance and dangerous courses (in Holland).“ • 2) “the great hope, and for the propagating and advancing the gospel of the kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of the world" The Mayflower Compact (authored by William Bradford) 1620   “Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together…” John Adams and John Hancock: We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King bur Jesus! (April 18, 1775) John Adams: “The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.” • “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.” –John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 "I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson"Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." (John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817)

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shovelhead mc888 Sat, 06/17/2017 - 20:03 Permalink

"Congress shall pass no law"That's the extent of their involvement in matters ecclesiastical. Many States however, made the Anglican Church the only acceptable form of public worship.Pennsylvania had no such law and so became the home to the Quaker sect.You really ought to try reading some history, if only to prevent yourself from being an idiotic poster of drivel.You have a nice day too.

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