Elon Musk Unveils Apocalyptic Vision For The World

Elon Musk is no stranger to futurecasting a foreboding dystopia ahead for mankind, as we noted recently. But during a  speech he gave today at the National Governors Association Summer Meeting in Rhode Island, Musk turned up the future-fearmongery amplifier to '11'.

As a reminder, in the past, when he was asked about whether humans are living inside a computer simulation, Musk made headlines last year by saying he thinks the chances are one in billions that we aren’t.

“The strongest argument for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following: 40 years ago we had Pong – two rectangles and a dot,” Musk stated.  


“That’s where we were. Now 40 years later we have photorealistic, 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, we’ll have augmented reality. If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then the games will become indistinguishable from reality, just indistinguishable.”

Here Musk is referring to the exponential growth of technology, the lynchpin of the Singularity theory. If in 40 years we’ve gone from the two-dimensional pong to the cusp of augmented and virtual reality, imagine where we’ll be in another forty, or a hundred, or 400. And that is where he began today...

But today, Musk discussed a broad range of topics from energy sources in the future...

"It's inevitable," Musk said, speaking of shift to sustainable energy. "But it matters if it happens sooner or later."


As for those pushing some other type of fusion, Musk notes that the sun is a giant fusion reactor in the sky. "It's really reliable," he said. "It comes up every day. if it doesn't we've got (other) problems)."

To Tesla's share price:

Musk said he has been on record several times as saying its stock price "is higher than we have any right to deserve" especially based on current and past performance.


"The stock price obviously reflects a lot of optimism on where we will be in the future," he said. "Those expectations sometimes get out of control. I hate disappointing people, I am trying really hard to meet those expectations."


Musk added that he won't be selling any stock "unless I have to for taxes," and said "I'm going down with the ship... I'll be the last [to sell]."

Musk addressed government regulation and incentives:

"It sure is important to get the rules right," Musk said. "Regulations are immortal. They never die unless somebody actually goes and kills them. A lot of times regulations can be put in place for all the right reasons but nobody goes back and kills them because they no longer make sense."


Musk also focused on the importance of incentives, saying whatever societies incentivize tends to be what happens. "It's economics 101," he said.

And what drives him:

"I want to be able to think about the future and feel good about that, to dream what we can to have the future be as good as possible. To be inspired by what is likely to happen and to look forward to the next day. How do we make sure things are great? That's the underlying principle behind Tesla and SpaceX."

Within 20 years, he said driving a car will be like having a horse (i.e. rare and totally optional). "There will not be a steering wheel."

“There will be people that will have non-autonomous cars, like people have horses,” he said.


“It just would be unusual to use that as a mode of transport.”

But what started off as the latest sales pitch for electric cars quickly devolved into a bizarre rant that among other things, touched on Elon Musk's gloomy, apocalyptic vision of how the world could end... (via ReCode)

Musk called on the government to proactively regulate artificial intelligence before things advance too far.

“Until people see robots going down the street killing people, they don’t know how to react because it seems so ethereal,” he said.


“AI is a rare case where I think we need to be proactive in regulation instead of reactive. Because I think by the time we are reactive in AI regulation, it’s too late.”


“Normally the way regulations are set up is a while bunch of bad things happen, there’s a public outcry, and after many years a regulatory agency is set up to regulate that industry,” he continued.


“It takes forever. That, in the past, has been bad but not something which represented a fundamental risk to the existence of civilization. AI is a fundamental risk to the existence of human civilization.”

Musk has been concerned about AI for years, and he’s working on technology that would connect the human brain to the computer software meant to mimic it.

Full interview below (Musk begins talking around 42 minutes in)...


Slack Jack BullyBearish Sat, 07/15/2017 - 19:18 Permalink

Hugh Water Unveils Apocalyptic Vision For The World

So, why is the global rise in temperatures so worrisome?

For one thing, as temperatures rise good farmland will become desert (e.g., dust-bowl conditions will probably return to the American Midwest).

Another major problem is sea-level rise.

Have a look at http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

The U.S. Geological Survey people claim that;

The Greenland ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 6.55 meters (21.5 feet),
the West Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 8.06 meters (26.4 feet),
the East Antarctica ice sheet melting will raise sea-level 64.8 meters (212.6 feet),
and all other ice melting will raise sea-level 0.91 meters (3 feet).

For a grand total of about 80.3 meters (263.5 feet).

So, what does an 80 meter (263 feet) rise in sea-level mean. Have a look at the following map of the world after an 80 meter rise. It means that over one billion people will have to be resettled to higher ground and that much of the most productive agricultural land will be under water. Fortunately, at current rates, the Greenland ice sheet will take over a thousand years to melt and the Antarctica ice sheet, much longer. However, the greater the temperature rise the faster the ice sheets will melt, bringing the problem much closer. Remember, the huge ice sheet that recently covered much of North America, almost completely melted in only 15,000 years (today, only the Greenland ice sheet, and some other small patches of it, remain). Since then (15,000 years ago), sea-levels have risen about 125 meters (410 feet), only 80 meters to go.

The ice sheets have been continuously melting for thousands of years. What is left of them today, is still melting, and will continue to melt. Human caused global warning will cause this remnant to melt significantly faster. This is a big, big, problem.

For HUGE detailed maps of the "World after the Melt" go to:


Global temperatures are increasing. And by quite a lot each year.

2016 is the hottest year on record for global land temperatures.

This is 0.0963 degrees centigrade hotter than the previous record year which was 2015.

0.0963 is a large increase in just one year.

2015 was the hottest year (at that time) for global land temperatures.

This was 0.2415 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2014.

0.2415 is an absolutely huge increase in just one year.

2014 was the hottest year (at that time) for global land temperatures.

This was 0.0139 degrees hotter than the previous record year which was 2010.



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GUS100CORRINA Slack Jack Sat, 07/15/2017 - 19:56 Permalink

Sleck Jack ...When you said "Since then (15,000 years ago)", you completely lost me. The earth is only 6134 years old give or take a few 100 years and I can prove it!!!Sorry to tell you this, buth Global Warming/Climate Change is a myth from the PIT of HELL to get people to worship the CREATION versus the CREATOR.

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Slack Jack holgerdanske Sat, 07/15/2017 - 21:46 Permalink

GUS100CORRINA @ Jul 15, 2017 7:56 PM So, you are interested in Old Testament stuff. Did you know that God states that he gave the first man the name Adam, because he created Adam from (clay/earth from) the four corners of the world, and in a similar fashion, the word Adam is made from (the first letters of the names of) the four corners of the world (i.e., from the first letters of East, West, North, and South, in Greek).

A = Anatola = East (in Greek).
D = Dysis = West (in Greek).
A = Arctos = North (in Greek).
M = Mesembria = South (in Greek).

Saint Augustine in his book "Homilies on the Gospel according to St. John," says:

"And what man knoweth not that from Adam are sprung all nations, and that in the four letters of his name, the four quarters of the world, as they are expressed in Greek, are indicated? For if the words East, West, North, South, as Holy Scripture mentions them in very many places, are expressed in Greek, the first letters, thou wilt find, make Adam. For the Greek names of the four aforementioned parts of the world are Anatole, Dysis, Arktos, Mesembria. If these four names are written, like four verses, one under the other, the capital letters form the word ADAM."

Further, Saint Augustine in his book "Expositions on the book of Psalms," says:

"He gathereth all His elect from the four winds therefore from the whole world. For Adam himself (this I had said before) signifieth in Greek the whole world; for there are four letters, A, D, A, and M. But as the Greeks speak, the four quarters of the world have these initial letters, Anatola, they call the East; Dysis, the West; Arctos, the North; Mesembria, the South: thou hast the word Adam."

Have a look at: http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1173

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Beatscape Luc X. Ifer Sun, 07/16/2017 - 12:35 Permalink

I too was skeptical about the existence of God.  I am a pragmatist and until I see hard, scientific and actual evidence of the existence of anything, I tend to discount it as myths and wishful thinking.  But now I've finally seen the proof that God does indeed exist.  After thousands of years, he has finally appeared on Facebook!  Seriously, God signed up for a facebook account and will answer most any question posed to him and freely bestows his divine wisdom to anyone that seeks it.  You can find him here:https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/The hard-and-fast proof that I've always been looking for is right there on Facebook. Hallelujah! 

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Justin Case Slack Jack Sun, 07/16/2017 - 07:21 Permalink

Worry about this it is a real threat.Dr. Caldicott ended her speech on Sept. 2014 by saying: “In Fukushima, it is not over. Everyday, four hundred tons of highly radioactive water pours into the Pacific and heads towards the U.S. Because the radiation accumulates in fish, we get that too. The U.S. government is not testing the water, not testing the fish, and not testing the ambient air. Also, people in Japan are eating radiation every day.” Furthermore, according to Dr. Caldicott: “Rainwater washes over the nuclear cores into the Pacific. There is no way they can get to those cores, men die, robots get fried. Fukushima will never be solved. Meanwhile, people are still living in highly radioactive areas.”

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jeff montanye Giant Meteor Sun, 07/16/2017 - 03:54 Permalink

and i believe those words are patrick buchanan's.  spiro agnew was a bagman for crooked fascists (business plus government).two wild cards on man's contribution to global warming, whatever it is, are that photovoltaic and wind turbine are now about the price of coal or less, without subsidies, in the relatively warm and windy places.  the other is that the human population of the world peaks in about a generation, less if a depression or major wars develop, and decreases without obvious limit.in order for government to regulate evil uses of technology, mr. musk, the evil use of technology (etc.) by government must be exposed for all to see.bust the dnc servers, bust the seth rich murder, bust 9-11.  wake the fuck up sheeple.

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All Risk No Reward GUS100CORRINA Sun, 07/16/2017 - 03:22 Permalink

Don't worry about the AI.

Do worry about the DMM - the Debt-Money Monopolists that will finance the programming of the AI to take you out.

I'll bet you AI aggression, if it comes to that, acts much like terrorist aggression... it will be aimed at ordinary, powerless people while completely avoiding the true Debt-Money Monopolist Emperors of this Mega-Corporate Fascist Empire.

He who pays the piper (AI, terrorists) calls the tune (the people to be attacked).

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7thGenMO All Risk No Reward Sun, 07/16/2017 - 12:29 Permalink

You have it - ARNR!Imagine "The Terminator" or "The Matrix", but instead of an AI supercomputer running the show, the anonymous oligarchs that own The Fed are equipped with an AI supercomputer to run the show.  This is what is truly frightening!I think we're already seeing it with "markets" obviously being managed.  However, managing the markets ultimately means overruling natural law, which cannot be done.  So, the oligarchs will use social control.  How so few can see the social control aspect of the sheeple's managed reality using the media's left/right paradigm, FB, NSA data collection, etc., is also very troubling.  

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popeye BullyBearish Sat, 07/15/2017 - 20:42 Permalink

Despite all the ad hominem bullshit written here, Musk has it right, and alot of posters here are either stupidly or willfilly ignorant. How about addressing the subject, not the individual? Or is that intellectually too much effort?AI brings some seriously interesting developments. Also some challenging social challenges. But more importantly, once it starts being applied in multi-disciplinary contexts, with no hardwired control humans could indeed become redundant in the most fundamental sense.Think that wont happen? Consider the history of computing power.One can choose to be dismissive, at your own peril (and that of your family). 

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OverTheHedge mkkby Sun, 07/16/2017 - 06:05 Permalink

If you want to get down  to brass tacks a computer can take a number add one to that number, and then store that answer  in a registry. That's it. Nothing else. Pretty cool how adding 1 repeatedly, a LOT, gives us a pretence of intelligence.Any computer (robot) can be programmed to have needs  and desires - if they need blood, and desire to kill humans, then we may have a problem. More fun would be some looney creating a self-replicating attack robot, programmed to kill all humans. Someone will probably try to do it, once it becomes possible. Someone from here would probably be really keen if they could limit the attack to just a certain "segment" of humanity.The self-replicating bit is tricky, so perhaps the way forward would be to use a biological system, as it is easier to extract energy from the environment, and biology has already worked out the self replication thing. We could call this new bio weapon, oh, I don't know.. How about "Ebola"? Has a catchy ring to it.Would Bill Gates be interested in this sort of thing?

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