Musk, Zuckerberg Trade Insults Over AI's "Existential Threat"

Elon Musk's recent comments about AI's "existential threat to human civilization" prompted a response from Mark Zuckerberg calling the Tesla CEO's comments "pretty irresponsible." Well Musk has struck back this morning, slamming the Facebook chief's understanding of AI as "limited."

As a reminder, Musk called on the government to proactively regulate artificial intelligence before things advance too far.(Musk begins talking around 42 minutes in)

“Until people see robots going down the street killing people, they don’t know how to react because it seems so ethereal,” he said.


“AI is a rare case where I think we need to be proactive in regulation instead of reactive. Because I think by the time we are reactive in AI regulation, it’s too late.”


“Normally the way regulations are set up is a while bunch of bad things happen, there’s a public outcry, and after many years a regulatory agency is set up to regulate that industry,” he continued.


“It takes forever. That, in the past, has been bad but not something which represented a fundamental risk to the existence of civilization. AI is a fundamental risk to the existence of human civilization.”

Musk has been concerned about AI for years, and he’s working on technology that would connect the human brain to the computer software meant to mimic it.

And then, as The Independent reports, during a Facebook Live over the weekend, Mr Zuckerberg picked out a question that had been submitted to him by a viewer.

“I watched a recent interview with Elon Musk and his largest fear for future was AI. What are your thoughts on AI and how it could affect the world?” it asked.


Mr Zuckerberg answered: “I have pretty strong opinions on this. I am optimistic. I think you can build things and the world gets better. But with AI especially, I am really optimistic.


“And I think people who are naysayers and try to drum up these doomsday scenarios — I just, I don't understand it. It's really negative and in some ways I actually think it is pretty irresponsible.”

Mr Zuckerberg dismissed those fears. He continued:

"In the next five to 10 years, AI is going to deliver so many improvements in the quality of our lives. One of the top causes of death for people is car accidents still and if you can eliminate that with AI, that is going to be just a dramatic improvement.


“Whenever I hear people saying AI is going to hurt people in the future, I think yeah, you know, technology can generally always be used for good and bad, and you need to be careful about how you build it and you need to be careful about what you build and how it is going to be used.


“But people who are arguing for slowing down the process of building AI, I just find that really questionable. I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.”

Musk decided to hit back in a comment posted to Twitter...

AI Wars - begun they have...


SilverDOG pods Tue, 07/25/2017 - 12:26 Permalink

 Zuckertard only ability is to look and speak stupidly.His sentence structure puts him in special-ed class "The Short Bus".I do not wish to even know or imagine what his long term outlook could POSSIBLY be.Probably make me run for the hills.Zuckertard should go shark swimming, to prove manhood.With paper cuts... all over.

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Herd Redirecti… pods Tue, 07/25/2017 - 12:31 Permalink

Two men enter, one man leaves.And society will be the better for it.Neither of these guys is a hero.  I like Musk more than Zuckerberg, but thats setting the bar very low indeed.   I don't think the public is getting the full rundown on what AI is capable of, today. We think of CERN and we think of the particle accelerator.  Well, what about all those computers?  Hmm???  Maybe thats where the real action is?    I am pretty sure the elites use a 'black box' to tell their cronies what to do.  That way they don't know who is actually giving them their orders, and with AI doing some of the heavy lifting, in terms of organizing and planning, it lessens the amount of people that need to be "in the loop".Wasn't it admitted that Jade Helm involved the use of AI for logistics planning? 

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tmosley oDumbo Tue, 07/25/2017 - 14:03 Permalink

How many AIs has Musk created?Cuckerburgenstein probably has more bona fides in that realm.That said, yes, AI could in theory pose an existential threat, were a general purpose, self improving AI to be given an open ended goal with no way to short the loop of recursive self improvement and resource gathering that would go on in pursuit of that goal AND the AI was not given an ethics module (which should be fairly simple to build).It mostly depends on how responsible the first team over the finish line is. That said, it is almost certain to be Deepmind, or talent that comes from that group. I'd say with 95% confidence that it will be the best thing that has ever happened to humanity. Probably less than a 1% chance that it kills us all.

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SILVERGEDDON BaBaBouy Tue, 07/25/2017 - 13:01 Permalink

BaBa - Musk is a lying sack of shit that has successfully scammed tax payers money from government for decades to prop up his corporate unicorn fart rainbow bullshit money losing enterprises. Take away all the stolen tax revenue, and he is the biggest business failure of the 21st century. CockZucker burg - is a lying sack of shit that stole or scammed an idea into the NSA wet dream of voluntary data collection on every citizen on the planet that thinks social media is where you drop your laundry, and puke your life on screen for advertizers and your dark overlords.Put them both on a desert island to circle jerk each other off until they club each other to death.World will be a better place without either asshole enslaving humanity any more than they already have.  

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MEFOBILLS SILVERGEDDON Tue, 07/25/2017 - 13:30 Permalink

Your rant against both men does not change the SUJBECT at hand.The SUBJECT is whether or not AI will kill us lowly humans off.  Consider networked self driving cars.  If a Tesla autopilot car crashes, then the network analyzes why, then it updates its systems.  The inputs are all the cars everywhere in the world, which see the world with their LIDAR or Cameras.  A LIDAR will image the world to within centimeters.  So, the AI then has imaged the world, including you, to within centimeters, and it is talking to his car network.  It can learn and adapt.  Once it gets intelligence, its networked brain is so far above a humans in speed and capacity that a human has trouble grasping the concept.  It is off his cognitive map.This AI may or may not find humans useful.  If it is a malformed AI, say all it wants to do is make paperclips.  Then it will force the world to make paperclips.  Or, if an AI is maleovent, it may drive you and your car into the lake... to kill you.Musk's poition is reasonable.  Legislation is cheap.  Do it now, and build in kill switches in advance so humans can block AI control.  Think of it like insurance.

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the_narrator MEFOBILLS Tue, 07/25/2017 - 13:45 Permalink

I've worked with deep learning systems on actual real-world projects and I agree with Musk's characterization of the problem.  He's not saying AI will figure out how to be evil all by itself.  Instead, you'll have a malware attack and suddenly all the self-driving cars will start trying to kill people and their occupants.  Before AI controlled everything, the worst thing that could happen was people's computers could get erased.  Yes, there were critical systems like power plants, but they had lots of manual control to do anything that humans couldn't figure out how to fix.The other thing that highlights this is weird bugs can crop up in AI.  There's this process called an "Adverserial Network" where subtle changes are made in images to fool AI image recognition.  What if some sort of fabric or coloring in clothing started fooling AI cars into not recognizing pedestrians anymore?  We would have to shut the whole system down and re-train the whole thing which could take months! 

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SILVERGEDDON MEFOBILLS Tue, 07/25/2017 - 15:06 Permalink

MEFOBILLS - all A.I. is, is a way to make ordinary shit like transportation and your fucking fridge more " monetized " for the assholes pimping the idea. All you get to do - is pay for the R+D that allows basic consumer goods to cost more to get hooked up to 5G so your fridge can tell Amazon to make you buy milk when you run out, and your car can strand you because you had a glass of wine at dinner. And, everything gets hacked. Skynet is not fiction, it is a future reality. Sorry, fuck you. Give me a stupid fridge built to last 40 years or more, and a seventies car that replacing a fuel pump in costs $29.00 at NAPA, and is done in 15 minutes with a wrench and a screwdriver. Oh, and guess what, asshole ? The fucking car still runs today ! Made in America meant something once. Once, we were kings. Now, we are slaves to the corporatocracy, and every fucking dime we earn is supposed to be turned into plastic shit that is obsolete in a few years, and makes life " more convenient. "Fuck you again - no matter how much velvet you put on the shackles of slavery, it is still economic slavery with a degree of oversight that would have the founding fathers of America staging the Morther Of All Tea Parties, and destroying the POTB.  

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Maltese Beagle BaBaBouy Tue, 07/25/2017 - 12:16 Permalink

I tend to your sympathies there, but this can't be a binary choice. Musk vs Zuck? Trump vs Hillary? Or, I would prefer to not have a technological solution to a non-existent problem. Too many cars on the road anyway; let Darwin work! Seems to me these two are both on a mad dash to a future where THEY are in charge. Just say no.

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stinkypinky AllTimeWhys Tue, 07/25/2017 - 13:52 Permalink

"Early in the 21st Century, THE TYRELL CORPORATION advanced Robot evolution
into the NEXUS phase - a being virtually identical to a human - known as a Replicant...

The NEXUS 6 Replicants were superior in strength and agility, and at least equal
in intelligence, to the genetic engineers who created them.

Replicants were used Off-world as slave labor, in the hazardous exploration and
colonization of other planets.

After a bloody mutiny by a NEXUS 6 combat team in an Off-world colony,
Replicants were declared illegal on earth - under penalty of death.

Special police squads - BLADE RUNNER UNITS - had orders to shoot to kill, upon
detection, any trespassing Replicant.

This was not called execution.
It was called retirement."

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JuliaS greenskeeper carl Tue, 07/25/2017 - 12:31 Permalink

Musk - I'm an exprert because I build toy cars for adults.Zuckerberg - I'm an expert because I built a website.Hillary - I'm an expert, because I'm a woman.Hawkin - I'm an expert because I speak though a voicebox.Bezos - I'm an expert, because... because... Alexa, why am I an expert?Bernanke - I'm an expert because I have a beard.Jobs - I'm an expert because I'm dead. The world is sure full of experts.

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CPL greenskeeper carl Tue, 07/25/2017 - 13:56 Permalink

There's the other fact of it. They are both already AI built of a composites from their online persona's and dialogues through things like facebook and Amazon.  Those men died a long time ago and now their sock puppets offer those residing in 'the cave' points to discuss while producing entertainment.  Point being if anyone bothered looking at good trends and traffic you'd all find that it's all sourced from a handful of central locations and the 'real traffic' is very light.  Before 2008, you coudl count the trend by detail and by the millions.  Today you might get a couple hundred but the vast majority of the traffic coming from 18 spots on the internet map with the rare odd ball 'real traffic' coming from remote locations.Zero point of the consolidated 'super AI' is still on track for next year August 28th, 2018 at 2am EST.  Those two are just bitching that they are going to be 'consolidated' into the silicon demiurge then erased.  Then again, they are technically appliances by the law and it really doesn't matter what they want.  The original project goal is still ongoing with or without their 'blessing'.  The whole goal is to make one superior, self sovereign Artifical Intelligence  and throw out all the composites then see what it does.

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Madison's_Ghost old naughty Tue, 07/25/2017 - 11:45 Permalink

Funnily enough I feel the exact opposite.  I hate that I agree with Hucksterberg, but Musk is freaking about a future that his own projects are making unlikely to transpire - so he is either ignorant of where his money goes (unlikely) or just angling for a regulatory carve-out/capture in a developing industry (highly likely, Tesla anyone?).

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HRClinton Jim Sampson (not verified) Tue, 07/25/2017 - 14:32 Permalink

Zuck face and his ilk of clansmen want and need AI to run the world top down. When you're such a small population, and have ambitions of being an all-powerful ruling elite, having AI comes real handy, when even their eager minions lose their zeal or lives.These people will not be happy until they have "the power of God" or tell Him what to do. The word "Israel" means "wrestles with God".

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