Fired Coder Speaks Out On Google's "Potentially Illegal Practices", "Recorded Meetings" And "Science Denial"

For those who have managed to avoid this storyline, James Damore, now a former Google employee, caused outrage when he circulated a manifesto on Friday, complaining about Google’s “ideological echo chamber,” alleging women have lower tolerance for stress and that conservatives are more conscientious. By Monday, the chess master, who studied at Harvard, Princeton and MIT and worked at Google's Mountain View HQ, was fired after the search giant’s chief executive, Sundar Pichai, said portions of Damore’s 10-page memo “violate our code of conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes” despite saying in the same memo that Google employees shouldn't be afraid of speaking their minds.

Now, for the first time, the former Googler sat down for a YouTube interview with University of Toronto professor of psychology, Jordan Peterson, to discuss the circumstances leading up to the release of his controversial memo and the fallout that has resulted since. 

In this first exchange, Damore explains that he decided to write his now-infamous memo after attending a 'secretive' Google "diversity summit" in which he says presenters talked about "potentially illegal practices" intended to "try to increase diversity...basically treating people differently based on what their race or gender are."

Peterson:  "Why did you do this?"

 

Damore:  "About a month and a half ago, I went to one of our diversity summits, all of it unrecorded and super-secret and they told me a lot of things that I thought just were not right."

 

Peterson:  "Ok, what do you mean 'unrecorded and super-secret?'"

 

Damore:  "Most meetings at Google are recorded.  Anyone at Google can watch it.  We're trying to be really open about everything...except for this.  They don't want any paper trail for any of these things." 

 

"They were telling us about a lot of these potentially illegal practices that they've been doing to try to increase diversity.  Basically treating people differently based on what their race or gender are." 

 

Peterson:  "Ok, why?"

 

Damore:  "Because I think it's illegal.  As some of the internal polls showed, there were a large percentage of people who agreed with me on the document.  So, if everyone got to see this stuff, then they would really bring up some criticism." 

Damore also talks about how he originally published his memo over a month ago but upper-management largely ignored it until it started to garner media attention.  Then, once it went viral, upper management organized a coordinated attack and misrepresented facts in order to silence him.

Damore: "I actually published this document about a month ago; it's only after it had gone viral and leaked to the news, that Google started caring." 

 

"There was a lot of upper management that started to call it out and started saying how harmful it is.  This sort of viewpoint is not allowed at Google."

 

Peterson:  "Yeah, what sort of viewpoint exactly?  The idea that there are differences between men and women that might actually play a role in the corporate world?  That's an opinion that's not acceptable?"

 

Damore:  "Yeah, it seems so.  And there's a lot of misrepresentation by upper-management just to silence me, I think." 

On why he was fired:

Peterson:  "What was there rationale for firing you exactly?  What was the excuse that was given?"

 

Damore:  "So, the official excuse was that I was perpetuating gender stereotypes." 

And finally, an interesting tidbit in which Damore once again points out that Google's progressives are all too eager to put on their science hats when discussing climate change but are less eager to entertain scientific facts when they're deemed 'inconvenient.'

Damore:  "I'm not sure how they can expect to silence so many engineers and intelligent people and just deny science like this"

Comments

nuubee Wed, 08/09/2017 - 12:27 Permalink

Oh man, this is probably going to be a bigger blow to rabid regressive leftists than the 2016 election..I'll get the popcorn ready.

hedgeless_horseman nuubee Wed, 08/09/2017 - 12:31 Permalink

 His name was James Watson.

Watson became the first living laureate to auction his Nobel medal in a sale that earned far more than the $3m that some experts had predicted. Last year, the family of Francis Crick, who died in 2004, sold his medal for $2.27m.  Before the auction, Watson said he was selling the medal to raise money for the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in Long Island, from where he was suspended as chancellor after he claimed that black people were not as intelligent as whites.  https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/09/russian-billionaire-usm…

 

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hedgeless_horseman The Cooler King (not verified) Wed, 08/09/2017 - 12:47 Permalink

 

"They were telling us about a lot of these potentially illegal practices that they've been doing to try to increase diversity.  Basically treating people differently based on what their race or gender are." 

Pay no attention to the racist data... When we don't like the data, then we change the standard...

In 1959, AAMD set the IQ threshold for mental retardation at < 85. The civil rights movement of the next decade forced psychologists to rethink this boundary, because half the African American population fell below it. In 1973, responding to this concern, AAMD (by then AAMR) changed the threshold for retardation from IQ < 85 to IQ < 70. The boundary moved south by one standard deviation! The proportion of blacks below the threshold instantly dropped from about 50 percent to 12 percent. Subsequent refinements made it still more difficult to meet the criteria for retardation. http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/retard.htm

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Creepy_Azz_Crackaah (not verified) Pairadimes Wed, 08/09/2017 - 13:48 Permalink

The ultimate outcome:

1) Damore wins a large cash settlement
2) Damore Uses the cash to start Elgoog (Google backward)
3) Elgoog performs exceedingly well, eventually devouring all of Google's business interests using a merit based employee hiring/promotion system
4) Elgoog puts Google out of business. Yay diversity!

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crazzziecanuck Creepy_Azz_Crackaah (not verified) Wed, 08/09/2017 - 15:25 Permalink

Damore wasn't fired because of facts, or even because his diatribe was particularly light when it came to them (I know, I read the thing).  Being someone who's come out of the transnational corporate world for twenty years, and left before I had a stroke, I can assure you most of the content didn't bother the executives at all.  They probably share them, wrong as they may be.  But they didn't fire him over the 'facts', even if they'll publicly admit to it. And they didn't for an entire month, assuming Damore's claim is correct.  So, why now?Take any executive, then question their competence and wisdom of their policies in a public forum and see how long an employee lasts.  That's at the very core why he was fired.  He pointed out that HR at Google is failing by their own metrics.  Google's "diversity policy" was guaranteed to fail, not because of biology as he tried to laughably claim, but because HR departments is a waste of time and money.  Executives are nothing but overpaid bureaucrats, and bureaucrats aren't hired to provide any old answers.  They exist to provide the answers and when their 'work' is questioned you've just attacked their belief system.  He just questioned their raison d'etre and got himself fired for it.  And executives now cluster like cliques in a high school and behave virtually the same.  Gossip, pettiness and groupthink dominate their lives.  Damore attacked HR, and HR went cryin'.

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any_mouse crazzziecanuck Wed, 08/09/2017 - 15:33 Permalink

This. Exactly. Write an email criticizing a department head's email gets attention with a response, not to the issue, but that one should not copy that email to the entire department.

The matter at hand was our not clearing the floor fast enough during a fire drill.

The Director told us to do better, to move faster.

The floor had a population much larger that the original building plan. Most of the time was waiting in line to move one stair step at a time down from the fifth to the first floor.

There was no way in hell our moving any faster would improve the situation.

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Clueless Economist Kafir Goyim Wed, 08/09/2017 - 13:40 Permalink

Philadelphia News Radio KYW 1060 just weighed in on the issue, having their "Legal Expert" Amy Epstein Feldman analyze it.She in a hysterical tone said,  "Of course Google was in the right to fire this guy!  He said the reason there are so few females in coding, is because there are genetic differences.  Imagine if he had substituted African Americans, or Hispanics in that sentence?  It would be a hate crime.  It is the right thing to fire this guy."Wow, such an unexpected response from a liberal, feminist, kike bitch.

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Creative_Destruct waspwench Wed, 08/09/2017 - 16:31 Permalink

Wow... what a HATEFUL thought...the genders are generally DIFFERENT... And that may have some bearing on their career choices.. (And DATA tends to support that)How F'n OUTRAGEOUS:https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/games-primates-play/201201/gender-differences-in-personality-are-larger-previously-thought/sarc (for the sarcastically challenged...perhaps gender differences play a role in that too???!!)

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MrSteve thebigunit Wed, 08/09/2017 - 14:24 Permalink

it's a kinda fair comment.... Ask Eskimos for six names of trees that grow in an oasis. Ask Arabs to name six types of snow. Both groups would score poorly yet with the groups' questions reversed, they would both do well. Skewed test questions is a huge issue in standardized testing. Dyslexics need to have the test questions read aloud to them or need more time to complete the test, which is provided in modern testing. I tutored immigrant children who would spell words from right to left, the way they had first been taught to read. In English, they are "wrong" for doing this but they most assuredly were very sharp kids. The tests can present a distorted result.

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