Calls To Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

When retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry penned a blog post on her "Climate Etc." website suggesting that it was scientifically irresponsible to tie the intensity of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma directly to climate change, she probably didn't expect that she might trigger 1,000's of progressives to call for her immediate imprisonment.  Unfortunately, for both Curry and society at large, that is exactly what happened. 

Here is part of Curry's post that potentially resulted in this latest 'mass-triggering' event:

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).

As the Washington Times notes, Curry's comments only served to further enrage Al Gore's climate change crusaders who promptly ramped up their calls to imprison anyone with the audacity to present any data and/or question, in any way, climate models which should be accepted as proven fact...even though they're subjective and highly sensitive any number of input variables.

That is the kind of talk that could get policymakers who heed her research hauled before the justice system, if some of those in the climate change movement have their way.

 

“Climate change denial should be a crime,” declared the Sept. 1 headline in the Outline. Mark Hertsgaard argued in a Sept. 7 article in the Nation, titled “Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”

 

The suggestion that those who run afoul of the climate change consensus, in particular government officials, should face charges comes with temperatures flaring over the link between hurricanes and greenhouse gas emissions.

 

“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,” said the subhead in the Outline article, written by Brian Merchant.

 

Brad Johnson, executive director of Climate Hawks Vote, posted last week on Twitter a set of “climate disaster response rules,” the third of which was to “put officials who reject science in jail.”

PB

 

And while we're not sure if imprisonment is the right punishment, it does seem a bit outrageous for a Georgia Tech climate scientist to challenge the opinions of both the Pope and Sir Richard Branson on climate change...who does she think she is? 

Meanwhile, Pope Francis said the two Category 4 storms offer proof of catastrophic climate change, even though they are the first two major hurricanes to make landfall on the U.S. mainland in 12 years.

 

“You can see the effects of climate change with your own eyes, and scientists tell us clearly the way forward,” said the pontiff, adding that leaders have a “moral responsibility” to take action.

 

“Man-made climate change is contributing to increasingly strong hurricanes causing unprecedented damage,” Mr. Branson said in a Friday statement. “The whole world should be scrambling to get on top of the climate change issue before it is too late for this generation, let alone the generations to come.”

Of course, while we would never question the opinions of the Pope and/or a Knight, we do find the following chart on U.S. hurricane strikes by decade to be somewhat perplexing.  Why, for example, were U.S. hurricane strikes above average for almost every decade between 1870 and 1950 before declining in the 1950s through 2000?  If hurricane frequency can suddenly be linked directly to climate change in 2017, shouldn't it have produced similarly alarming hurricanes in the 80's, 90's and 2000's?  If we're not mistaken, CO2 output has pretty much consistently risen since man first started building fires...

Hurricanes

Of course, maybe the extreme weather events have simply shifted away from the U.S. and global hurricane strikes are the more relevant metric...except not...

Globa;

Oh well, we probably just don't understand the math...

Comments

silverer Sep 13, 2017 10:15 AM Permalink

Climate change people want this, and no less:

72 degrees F constant temperature in the temperate zones year round. Rains only Mondays and Tuesdays.
Massively thick ice sheets and glaciers that stay the same forever.
85 degrees F constant temperature at the equators.
No more hurricanes, cyclones, or tornadoes.

Anything less you get jail time. And any level of tax or fines is permissible to get there.

Bemused Observer Sep 13, 2017 9:56 AM Permalink

They are calling for the imprisonment of people who disagree with them. What they believe, or whether it is even true or not, is irrelevant in the face of this fact... I don't care WHAT the issue is, these morons are cultists. They are also anti-science, as true science is NEVER so sure of itself that it shuts down all opposition. Only CULTISTS do that...NEVER scientists. Cultists are faith-based, facts don't matter. We need to start using terms like 'faith-based', cult, magical-thinkers, dogma, etc, to differentiate this nonsense from true science. A truly scientific discussion would have BOTH sides repesented and discussed, so clearly this is no scientific discussion. This is theology, not science. And what they're doing is nothing more than witch-burning with a modern technological flair. Call them out, wherever they post, wherever they try to assemble their mobs. Forget about trying to change their minds, remember, this is faith-based thinking, it won't budge regardless of facts, but DO let them know that YOU know they're full of shit.And always make it clear to them and their followers that you support their right to speak, and would never consider punishing them for being wrong.

OutaTime43 Sep 13, 2017 8:54 AM Permalink

Something I always find fascinating about this argument.  Deniers always use the argument that there has always been climate change on this planet.   They're right. Before humans, we've gone from snowball earth where the entire planet was covered in snow and ice (635 million years ago) to extreme warming called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (56 million years ago).  There are natural causes of climate change (volcanism, sun variations, loss or gain of the biome, etc.) but they usually (with the exception of major volcanic events) take thousands of years to develop. The industrial age has caused a significant increase in CO2 and Temperatures far faster than any of these natural factors could remotely achieve. This has been proven via ice core samples that has a history of CO2 going back 10,000 years. So , we have a recent history and the curve is unmistakable. So, YES, we do have natural factors involved in climate change, however the recent change is 98% or more caused by man's carbon release into the atmosphere. These are facts. We can try to turn scientific facts into some political argument, but thats not where facts belong. 

haruspicio Sep 13, 2017 8:35 AM Permalink

If climate change scientists are correct and we do not heed the warning then the result will be a total disaster for the human race. Exactly how confident are you bozos in your own belief that you are 100% correct that the scientists are wrong. People whp do m=not admit the possibility that they may be worng are the real idiots in this conversation.If the climate change scientists are wrong, what does everybody lose? Well they have to drive a more fuel efficient car, oil companies make less profits and we lose a smidgen of GDP growth, that the ordinary person sees nothing of, as it all goes into the pockets of the obscenely wealthy.If I were Blaise Pascal I know which way I would leap. What disturbs me more are the crude attempts to curb free speech which are so common now......niggers...there I said it.  

Bemused Observer haruspicio Sep 13, 2017 10:04 AM Permalink

To me, this isn't about 'climate change' at all...it's about who gets to define and control the discussion. Ideally, it should not be controlled at all, but what I see is a deliberate attempt by the self-proclaimed 'experts' on any topic to completely control the narratives on whatever topic they are discussing.THIS is the danger, this notion that there ARE 'experts' who should never be questioned. Whether it's global warming, vaccinations, nuclear weapons, whatever...QUESTION THEM ALL! Frequently, sarcastically, irreverently, deplorably, ignorantly, however the fuck you WANT, but QUESTION THEM!

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johnjkiii Sep 13, 2017 7:19 AM Permalink

Yes children, the climate changes all of the time. Irma was the worst storm to hit the Keys since 1921 and Tampa since 1935. What is now West Sussex in England was a tropic 4000 years ago. Visit the Taunton, England museum to see the relics. We just had a large solar flare reported by NASA yesterday, who "caused" that? Certainly not man or CO2. In the 1960s the science world was predicting a dire future for the earth from the coming Ice Age. Those who believe Al Gore are proof, to paraphrase PT Barnum, that you will never lose a dollar underestimating the brains of the public. Meanwhile these hounds of doom will scream & whinge forever about their quasi religion.  

jughead Sep 13, 2017 7:03 AM Permalink

Ah, reminds me of the good ole days, in a past life, when they burned me at the stake for saying the world might not be flat.  Good times. 

Renov8 Sep 13, 2017 6:51 AM Permalink

The climate change fake, paid climate protesters....the whole thing is a farce....as fake as the silicone in thier lips and ass.  Pathetic excuse for a cause that simply has no cause...losers, in the truest sense of the word.  Zombie, no nothings, who don't think for themselves, but let others do the heavy lifting for them...not to mention the drugs these dolts are on...enough to knock out an elephant.

RhoneGSM Sep 13, 2017 6:49 AM Permalink

Spanish Inquisition style trials would be far more effective than prison. Heck you are already have the Pope lined up,plus TV. Think of the ad revenue!

Kina Sep 13, 2017 5:50 AM Permalink

Science is not religion, the scientific process requires constant questioning and testing.Climate Change Science - is no longer a science, it has become religion, and therefore now without credibiity.

Don in Odessa Sep 13, 2017 5:44 AM Permalink

LOL! "Climate change" has been going on since the beginning of time. Long, long before Lucy and her clan rubbed the first two sticks together. I doubt that there is anyone who denies that fact. What is up for debate is how much input man has in the equation. And that by reputable "science" on both sides of the argument. What is very clear and absolutely undeniable... one side wants to tax and control.

kellys_eye Sep 13, 2017 5:25 AM Permalink

Yes - JAIL THEM..... I'd just love to review the court case..... the question of 'discovery' being a particularly interesting aspect.  This explains why there have been ZERO (successful) law suits against climate 'deniers' and that any/all current climate court cases are being dragged out indefinitely in the hope that the 'winner' (the so-called deniers) eventually run out of money.  Ask Michael Mann how his case is going perhaps?If the climate brigade were so confdent of their position they'd be all over the courts pressing for charges.  As it stands they're all mouth and no trousers and are probably under implicit instruction to NOT allow this to be discussed under the laws of discovery.LIARS - every one of them.

S Spade Sep 13, 2017 5:00 AM Permalink

they'd have to imprison near half the population, and what'll they do when all those productive citizens able to think for themselves are locked up behind bars?

LOL123 Sep 13, 2017 3:20 AM Permalink

Snowden was correct about Prism and NSA and he is correct about climate change. "have documents showing that the CIA invented the whole thing,” claims Edward Snowden. “Global Warming was invented to both scare people, and divert their attention from other human-made dangers like nuclear weapons. The CIA gave millions of dollars to any scientist who would confirm the theory, so many unscrupulous scientists did what they were told in order to get the money. Now, there is so much fake data to confirm that Global Warming “exists”, that they actually convinced everyone that it was real."http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/edward-snowden-global-warming-is-an-inv…Facts-1- goverment hands out permits for cloud seeding on days and times from the Dept. Of COMMERCE.2-government invests in weather manipulation ( Haarp now defunct and Darpa), towers that send out micromagnetic pulses across the world, much more- look up before they erase informationCNN fake news tries to redirect conversation as a hypothesis-scientist.  https://youtu.be/TuI1hCGrJ_U3-Rothschild corp has invested in weather in China ( rothschilds never invest in anything they cant make money off of and they promote climate change on tv channel news across the world. David rothschild spokesman for climate change.Germany gave Hillary foundation at height of election campaign 4mill euros of tax money from Federal environmental dept for " climate initiative".... It helps that Hillary and Lynn Rothschild are bff ( best fucking freinds xoxo via email leaks).So what are these waterbrains trying to say about climate deniers... Oh thats right we are conspiricy hackers... Right, right - facts outweigh bullying. Suck on some hot air to thaw out your brain freeze... Its not climate change stupid.http://knowledge.ckgsb.edu.cn/2013/06/26/china/el-rothschilds-investmen…

africoman Sep 13, 2017 6:32 AM Permalink

With the magnitude and number of the hurricane occurrences exceed beyond the just mother nature.Something fishy is going on, may be HARP and man made weather sciences etc.These are happening all over the world, drought, flood etcHow MSM like CNN  weather forecast for IRMA Hurricane becomes so correct against all odds is creepy and scary.Stop for minutes and check a scenario like  this:<<<while IRMA was heading towards straight expected to be somewhere but turns 90 degrees, stopped for a while and go to a targeted city, wait this seems directed by something coordinated>>>Climate change as a tool for mass killings and further the agenda, there is catch Americans are deliberately forced from their houses and end up in FEMA camps slowly etcThis is cruel to the core, need a deep awakening of the sheeple to slow it, if possible.Mind you the timing amidst Syrian front dead end and North Korea fiasco fabricated and IRMA to distract the mass from something, the spot light is on it 24/7.One will notice the ere similarities of a weather forecast script read by a bunch of MSM orchestrated by some animation.How possible?You got it.

LOL123 Sep 13, 2017 3:01 AM Permalink

I guess enough "public interest" was activated by the mob mentality. Unlike the Judges in Florida and District of Columbia( aka washington dc.... Go figure) who proclaimed "You have not sufficiently demonstrated that the public’s interest in disclosure outweighs personal privacy interests of the subject,” FBI records management section chief David M. Hardy told Mr. Clevenger in a letter Monday......is incumbent upon the requester to provide documentation regarding the public’s interest in the operations and activities of the government before records can be processed pursuant to the FOIA,” Mr. Hardy wrote. So justice and truth boils down to a popularity contest these days- group activation outweighs independent thought and research... These are fascist times in america- Thank God there is still a decent judge left in america that said those emails must be released.http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/court-rules-stat…

activisor Sep 13, 2017 2:46 AM Permalink

Climate change cannot be denied, but the causes are open to interpretation. Many believe that the effects of the sun have far more of a causal effect than anything man is doing. Climate change is cyclical and always will be.

Internet-is-Beast Sep 13, 2017 1:42 AM Permalink

At this point we should not be arguing about climate, which is a distraction from the real issue: freedom of speech. This is what is really under attack. America is the last bastion of free speech and nowhere is that more evident than on Zerohedge. I may find some of the comments way out of order, but, by golly, I'm glad they can be posted. If ZH goes down or starts censuring comments, well, let's just say the canary in the coal mine is still chirping. Right now, the enemy is marshalling all its forces, and make no mistake, this is war!

artytom Sep 13, 2017 1:41 AM Permalink

Chuck Brad Johnson and Pope Francis in prison and throw away the key. These fuckers are deliberitely misdirecting people away from weather manipulation and chemtrailing which is poisioning people all over the world. Throw them in jail and chuck away the key.

YourAverageJoe Sep 13, 2017 1:36 AM Permalink

I am a very well armed climate change denier.When my Dad passed and we were getting the house prepped for sale, I found a January 20, 1965 Houston Chronicle newspaper.The big news was it was inuaguration day for LBJ, but I also noticed the weather report:The high temperature that day in January 1965 in Houston was 72 degrees......in other words teeshirt weather. I also like to fish the Galveston Jetties which have existed since the 1890's, yet are still not submerged due to the so-called rising sea levels 

bunkers Sep 13, 2017 1:32 AM Permalink

In the 1970s, the Chinese people killed professors and educated people for ignorant reasons. Do not think it can't happen here. Our species is, really, stupid.

jomama Sep 13, 2017 1:08 AM Permalink

Taking a washed up professor's rant out of context hardly qualifies as 'Calls' let alone any kind of perception shift in any demographic.

Horse Pizzle (not verified) Sep 13, 2017 12:52 AM Permalink

Rather imprison the white supremacy deniers.White supremacy is settled science.

artichoke Sep 13, 2017 12:42 AM Permalink

They should have to read and respond to Joe Bastardi's recent twitter posts on this subject, pretty convincing that CO2 is not the main cause of recent hurricanes.Besides the intrusion on normal speech and (if it's any different) scientific speech.

Harry Lightning Sep 13, 2017 12:34 AM Permalink

I think that there should be a rally at the Rose Bowl for all those who advocate hurting or imprisoning people who do not believe that people cause climate change. Then once the crowd is all in one place, all the arguing can be lain to rest.

Sid Davis Sep 13, 2017 12:20 AM Permalink

Remember Galileo Galilei, the father of modern science. In the early 1600's he put forth the hypothesis that the sun was the center of our solar system, contrary to the belief of the Catholic Church. He reached this conclusion by observing the motion of the planets with the improvements he made to his telescope, and developing calculations to describe the planetary movements around the sun.

The Catholic Church gave him a short tour of their torture chamber, and he politely recanted. Even so he was placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.

Demands to imprison "climate change deniers" have a familiar ring to them it seems.

It is a joke to say that science proves that man's activities are causing runaway global warming, or any material warming for that matter. There is on the other hand a mountain of evidence to indicate that climate changes are natural and cyclical. CO2 has little or nothing to do with warming; if it did then why does CO2 mostly lag changes in climate, and at other times have no correlation to climate whatsoever.

Why didn't runaway global warming occur long before man set foot on earth, back when the CO2 levels were 8,000 PPM, and why would anyone expect 400 PPM or even 800 PPM to have catastrophic effects. And what about this bull about warming causing deserts? Doesn't increased temperature cause more evaporation of both water and CO2 into the atmosphere, resulting in more rain, and better plant growth since CO2 is what plants breath in, using the carbon to make sugars and releasing the oxygen into the atmosphere for animals to breathe?

It should be abundantly clear that the global warming hype is a political movement, not a scientific finding. Its purpose is to placate wacky environmentalists/socialists, give more power and control to government, make some special interests wealthy at taxpayer expense, and force the developed nations to put the rest of the world on welfare to compensate them for their own ineptitude and failed cultures. The global warming alarmists seem to have a tenuous hold on reality.

If you get right down to it, the "value signaling" of the libtards is really compensation for their own assessment of themselves as worthless people. They have been shamed into feeling badly about themselves and need to grasp something to make them look better, even though they don't really believe in their own worth. Any crusade will do, so long as it seems to be cool with those whose approval they seek. I would be shocked in any of them have devoted more than a few hours of research to understand the true nature of the variations in climate and the drivers behind them. It's all about how they can influence others to like them.

ILIKEMITTENS Sid Davis Sep 13, 2017 1:38 AM Permalink

Shutup dammit! Thou shalt NOT speak any truth to the prog libturd dipshits. Maybe you should be imprisoned too! For making too much sense and not thinking with only your emotions. Obama and his commie minions will institute a carbon tax and we will have to pay just to breath. Thats the only way to save the planet. Just ask the pope. Or poop. Whichever.

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Anarchyteez Sep 13, 2017 12:02 AM Permalink

All those hundreds of sunken treasure ships sank in perfect weather and blue skies.

Hurricanes are a result of industrial activity and never previously occurred.

seataka Sep 13, 2017 12:02 AM Permalink

Not ONE of the IPC Climate models include data about the SUNOur sun was quietly reclassified as a VARIABLE STAR back in the early 90's (Print edition of Science News Letter, before the internet)Current ocean warming is due to undersea volcanism.

Is-Be seataka Sep 13, 2017 3:06 AM Permalink

The only thing that gives me pause to think is the electric sun model.But even considering that we haven't even got the basics right, is no recommendation that it is a wise discission to dump 15 thousand million tons of carbon into our very thin atmosphere.Even if it met with the divine approval of the Koch Brothers.

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Blazing in BC Sep 12, 2017 11:55 PM Permalink

So the grocery store does not give out free plastic bags anymore..."bad for the environment" they said, but for a nickle, they are magically good again...WHAT THE FUCK HAVE WE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?