If You Can't Beat 'Em... Ban 'Em

Authored by Eric Peters via EricPetersAutos.com,

Since they can’t sell electric cars – not enough of them, anyhow – and not without subsidies so huge they amount to outright bribes – the solution appears to be to outlaw all cars except electric cars.

This is no joke.

There are IC engine No Go Zones in Germany and France. The Brits have just decreed a ban on the sale of internal combustion-engined vehicles period, beginning in 2040 – which sounds like a long time from now but isn’t – because car companies begin designing cars about ten years before they see the light of production and so this fatwa means the car companies are on notice that the current generation of cars they are selling is either the last or the second-to-last generation of cars they will be selling . . . at least insofar as they are powered by internal combustion.

And so, they won’t be wasting resources to design and build the next generation.

It’s not just Britain, either.

If it were, the madness could be contained. Instead, the madness metastasizes. India (well, the government of India) wants all IC engined cars off the road – or retrofitted with electric drivetrains – by 2030, which is only about ten years away and so just over the horizon as far as product planning cycles go.

And now the commissars in China have announced they are all in . . . or out – depending on your point of view. The world’s largest market for cars and the world’s largest manufacturer of cars.

Same 2030 extinction-by-decree date.


That is comment worthy.

More than a century ago, it was not necessary for any government to decree that horses and buggies – and the first electric cars, for that matter – will be verboten henceforth.

They died a natural death – a free market death.

Internal combustion proved superior. Economically and functionally better than horse (and electric) power. People gave up their buggies and their equines freely, without being “nudged.”

They didn’t have to be.

Now, they do.

This ought to raise questions and probably does among the Thinking – but such questions are rarely given voice and answered even less often.

If electric cars are so functionally fabulous, so superior to the Judas Goated internal combustion-powered car, then how come the bans?

Why not let the electric car succeed on the merits, organically?

The answer, of course, is that it can’t.

Not yet – maybe not ever.

It’s obvious to anyone who does the math – the EV buy-in cost vs. the cost of gas for an otherwise similar IC-engined car. It doesn’t add up, not favorably, anyhow. There is a reason why arch crony capitalist and rent-seeking kingpin Elon Musk builds electric cars that are quick and sexy and laden with gadgets. It is to shove the economic inferiority of the things under the rug. And if they aren’t economically superior to cars powered by gas and diesel engines well – why bother?

Isn’t it like paying people to build – and buy Porsches?

Startling that this doesn’t grate more than it ought to among the taxpaying masses – who are paying for the subsidized rich to drive around in subsidized rich people’s cars.

Meanwhile, the cars they drive – the ones they can afford to drive – are being regulated and legislated out of existence.

No one talks about the Recharge Issue, either – and it’s a huge issue. Unless you believe that having to wait a minimum of 30-45 minutes every 100 miles or so to feed a partial (80 percent) charge back into the batteries is acceptable or logistically feasible. Imagine hundreds of thousands of EVs queuing up to charge up at the same time.

Imagine what this will do to the grid.

Imagine what would happen in the event you – and hundreds of thousands of other people with battery-powered cars – had to suddenly and unexpectedly get going and get far. As in the case of a hurricane barreling down on the state. No time to wait 30-45 minutes and you need to be able to move hundreds of miles down the road, without having to stop and queue up for 30-45 minutes with hundreds of thousands of other people.

It’s crazier than the combined contents of St. Elizabeth’s Hospital in DC – the nuthouse where they kept lovesick John Hinckley, among others less famous. Which explains why electric cars are not selling, in spite of the subsidies – and despite the quickness and sexiness of some of them.

It is because they are economically and functionally inferior.

Thus, the necessity of banning their functionally and economically superior competition. It has come to this because – all the Breakthrough Talk notwithstanding – the necessary breakthroughs haven’t happened and never may.

What’s happening is a kind of putsch by the technocrats. And – unless these technocrats are exceptionally stupid – they know perfectly well that absent the endlessly promised Breakthroughs that have yet to materialize and never may – electric cars can never be more than the subsidized toys of the affluent and a recipe for national gridlock.

Now think about what that implies.

Yes, exactly.

The object of this exercise – the banning, on the one hand, of economically and functionally viable internal combustion and, on the other, the mandating of extremely pricey and heavily subsidized electric cars – is to reduce mobility. To limit the average person’s ability travel by private car.

It’s not just Britain – or France or Germany and China and India. The push is worldwide and coming to America, too. EV Production quotas and sales mandates are already in effect in states like California. IC No Go Zones and outright bans are surely next.

It sounds hard-to-believe, but the concatenation of facts is hard to ignore.

More than a century ago, technology liberated the average person, expanded his horizons. 100 years down the road, technocracy is bound and determined to reverse that.


allgoodmen Sep 14, 2017 1:08 AM Permalink

This has nothing to do with the environment. It is everything to do with restricting your freedom of movement.

The two biggest drawbacks to EVs are lack of range and long recharge times -two of the best ways to restrict movement without checkpoints or bans.

But anyone curious of the timing of these announcements?

Literally days after the Tesla story, where the guy with the click of a mouse extended the range of all the vehicles in Florida.

Politicians worldwide reading this must have been so sprung they couldn't stand. "Why if we can extend the range... we can also restrict the range... or disable it altogether!!!"

Self driving EVs friends in just a few years your only choice.

As Master Blaster said: "This MY vehicle. You PEDESTRIAN!"

Is-Be allgoodmen Sep 14, 2017 1:42 AM Permalink

This has nothing to do with the environment. It is everything to do with restricting your freedom of movement.

He boldly asserted.Environment is one component, another is the cost of fuel. My son rides around town for his job and gets milage re-imbursements based upon what he would get if he were driving an ICE. However he only pays 11c per week for the electricity to charge the thing.The rest goes into his pocket.

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Xena fobe Sep 13, 2017 10:53 PM Permalink

Sorry apartment dwellers.  You can't charge so you'll have to take public transportation to work.  Only four busses and three hours each way.Fuck that.  They can pry my IC engine cars out of my cold dead hands.  

GuestAug Sep 13, 2017 10:50 PM Permalink

"Why not let the electric car succeed on the merits, organically? The answer, of course, is that it can’t."This, of course, is BS.  If the gasoline prices were not subsidized by our one trillion dollars/year military budget (the vast bulk of which is spent to ensure the Third World keeps supplying the First World with cheap carbon-based energy), electric cars (and mass transit) would have succeeded organically a long time ago.  And we have not even started talking about the fossil-fuel energy subsidy in the form of not including in its price the cost of environmental pollution it causes.

Is-Be GuestAug Sep 13, 2017 11:48 PM Permalink

As a student of Cold Fusion I am persuaded that our foot dragging is going to be the end of us.Other, more open minded people are going to make an end run around us. There are many nations that take Solid State nuclear reactions Very seriously. Even your Navy Sparwar keeps a weather eye on it.I am reminded of why the West beat China. The Chinese were content to rest on their laurels. Now the wheel of time has come around again and this time we will be those dragged kicking and screaming into the future. You won't enjoy your revolution, judging by what happened in China.

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GuestAug Sep 13, 2017 10:18 PM Permalink

Got a brand new all-electric 2017 Nissan Leaf last week.  So far so good.  Federal and state subsidies added up to about $10K off the list price. Thank you very much to all of you! Nissan threw in another $4K discount just because they were to announce an upgraded 2018 Leaf the next day. I can charge up at many charging stations (e.g. Whole Foods, my local Nissan dealer) for free.  The driving range of 100 miles is more then sufficient for the driving I do on a typical day.  On the few occassions I can't use the free charging, I just plug the car in an outlet in my garage at night, and it is fully charged ready to go by the time I wake up.  The charger at my local Nissan dealer is the fast one - it charges the car to 100% in 30 minutes.  And here is the best part: the required maintenance over the next three years: rotate tires every 6 months and change air filter if dirty!  That's it. No oil changes.

Golden Showers GuestAug Sep 13, 2017 11:35 PM Permalink

Obviously you don't drive 200 miles in a day.For people like you a $14,000 dollar discount off sticker is awesome. I could buy 7 cars that I have for that discount alone.I bet you couldn't change an an air filter, oil or a tire yourself. And thats why you bought the hype.People: if a man builds it you can fix it. When a 3 dollar vice grip holds up to 150 foot pounds of torque on a harmonic balacer, there's always some cheese fart who can't do shit but waste money on a fucking vanity item.Men and women make vehicles. Consumers buy them. Your over inflated sticker forgiveness is such a joke. I don't have 14k in 3 cars over the 11 years I've owned them.Enjoy your precious piece of shit. Down the road when you flunk out of it people like me will treat it better than you ever could.

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Is-Be Xena fobe Sep 13, 2017 11:10 PM Permalink

You can only push people so far before they get pissed

That is absolutely the truth. But this loyalty to your suppressors ( big oil, big pharma etc) is bizarre.OK. I get it! You (plural) made a decision to buy that ICE and your ego is offended by the suggestion that you have been suckered.Jeez. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have made an economic faux pas!The trick is to laugh at your ego. That puts it back in its box

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DEMIZEN Sep 13, 2017 9:46 PM Permalink

this will require a new, more localized grid. there is whole new infrastructure revolution coming and will have to be build from scratch.

Is-Be Sep 13, 2017 10:55 PM Permalink

On the other hand.My son pays $0.11c per week to run around in his Volt (EDIT wrong. Nissan Leaf).. Yes. That's right. 11c.How much do you offer up to Big Oil every week?And what about service costs? Zipo.Nil. Nothing.We are toying with the idea of buying a trailer mounted- constant speed generator to turn it into a long range vehicle.The ICE engine on a normal car has to be grossly over- powered in order to get the vehicle moving. Hence the generator can be very small.Its kind of handy having the generator for emergency power in case of a hurricane or something. We just plug it into the house and we've got lights.But so far we lack all motivation. There is just not the need. 

Golden Showers Sep 13, 2017 9:25 PM Permalink

Once upon a time there was a thing called a still. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still  When you drove your Model T too far you could knock on the door and buy some hooch from farmer Green.https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/35h8uz/henry_fords_mode… bet Nascar will just disappear. What a boring world to see prius's go around a track all day. Don't get me wrong, I think Taladega dickshits are stupid, but I feel the same about American Football, Baseball, Basketball... But I digress.And tell me, please, what dump truck or bobcat or grader is going to run on electricity?I'll take this with a grain of salt, but taking IC cars from Americans is gonna be like taking guns. Good luck.Something to be said for hemp, though: Ford built body panels out of that shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgE6Tzi3LgFree Markets, bitchez!

Faeriedust Sep 13, 2017 9:19 PM Permalink

One does wonder, with all the articles on ZH dissing electric cars, just who is paying for all this hot air.  Need we really guess?  There's a LOT of money in gasoline.  Electric buses and cars were pushed out of the market before, and not merely on the merits.  Government subsidies, predatory buy-outs, and reams of paid-for propaganda were all involved.  Electric trolleys were universally loved and superior to gasoline-powered buses, but the trolleys went, because GM was able to buy and retire any smaller company.  So I've got to say, while I think the IC automobile is better for my purposes as a rural commuter today, that's no reason why it should be so for everyone forever.  Widespread government mandates do tend to unleash a great deal of private ingenuity.  Certainly the charging infrastructure can be easily improved with even a little government motivation.  So why not?  If, obviously, cheap alternative sources of electric power can be brought online to manage the load of charging all these vehicles.  I'm looking at China as I say this.  Moving from gasoline-powered cars to cars powered by coal-fired electric plants isn't going to do one blasted thing for their air pollution problem. 

VWAndy Sep 13, 2017 8:59 PM Permalink

 Aint fiat magic grand.   Yes this is just the kind of stupid thats so well funded. Ya want green cars? I could do green. They aint buying green. They are buying control.  Go ahead and ask me how I would do green cars.

tigerbean Sep 13, 2017 8:30 PM Permalink

This is governments' wet dream. How else are they going to prevent you from going where you're going? They'll just turn off your car remotely and block Uber from your location.

Individual Sep 13, 2017 7:45 PM Permalink

How about clean bio-mass diesel from hemp seeds? Puts our farmers back to honest work growing shit and gives a clean economical fuel source that is locally grown and produced. No more getting screwed every time a hurricane hits TX or LA.

Win , win, win.

Except for the petro chemical industry, and corn/ethanol industry.

Hey maybe I'm on to something......


CingRed Sep 13, 2017 7:26 PM Permalink

Can't wait to see all the world leaders giving up their petro powered armored limos and their security detachments doing rolling recharge leap froging to have a highly charged tailing car in the pack. Oh, but wait, they will once again be exempted from being equal to all the other animals on the farm. Mark my words. You heard it here first and you can take this one to the bank.

Is-Be rejected Sep 13, 2017 10:31 PM Permalink

Yes!  Nice safe and clean nuclear. One accident wipes out a 10 state area

There you go again. Hyperventilating. Breath into a bag, environmentalist, lest you faint.The facts are that nuclear power is orders of magnitude less lethal than coal per unit of energy produced.The deathprint is the number of people killed by one kind of energy or another per kWhr produced and, like the carbon footprint, coal is the worst and wind and nuclear are the best. From Forbes.https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a…

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Bopper09 Sep 13, 2017 6:23 PM Permalink

Because electricity is free and is generated by tulips.  No problems there.  No mention of cold climates?  A couple weeks of -40F will destroy any batteries, and simply will not start in the first place.  Ever replaced a battery on a golf cart?  It's about the same as buying a used cart.  But I'm sure everyone will be fine spending $20 K on batteries every month. But look at the bright side, it'd be the easiest campaign in the history of politics.  Here's my platform:  I'll legalize internal combustion engines.  Nothing else.

Lost in translation Sep 13, 2017 6:05 PM Permalink

Banning essential tools with high utility so that the pet projects of your campaign contributors can rip off an increasingly impoverished public will only accelerate collapse.

Long piano wire and nylon bags.