Europe Will Reap What Spain Has Sown

Authored by Wayne Madsen via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

The Spanish government decided to reach back into its history and borrow from the playbook of longtime Spanish fascist dictator Francisco Franco in dealing with Catalonia’s decision to declare independence from the Spanish Kingdom as the Republic of Catalonia. The Catalan government’s decision to declare independence followed an October 1 referendum in the region that resulted in a “yes” for independence.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, whose Popular Party is a direct political descendant of Franco’s fascist Falangist Party, wasted no time in invoking, for the first time, Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution, which allows the Spanish Kingdom to impose direct rule on regions not adhering to the whiplashing from Madrid. Catalonia is the first, but possible not the last victim, of Spain’s neo-fascism on display for the entire world.

During the Spanish Civil War, the Catalans and Basques fought with bravery on behalf of the Spanish Second Republic against the fascist forces of Franco and his fascists. Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini provided all-out support for Franco, much like the European Union, NATO, and the United States have fully backed Rajoy in his confrontation with Catalonia. Spain’s King Felipe VI October 3 speech, in which he condemned the Catalan referendum’s pro-independence results, was seen by many Catalans, as well as other groups like the Basques, Galicians, and Andalusians, as an unnecessary involvement in politics. Not only Catalans, but others across Spain, began calling for the scrapping of the Bourbon family’s monarchy and the establishment of the Spanish Third Republic. The Bourbons have little respect among the working peoples of Spain and France. After all, it was an ancestor of Felipe VI, Louis XVI of France, who lost his head to a French revolutionary guillotine after ignoring the poverty of the French people.

Spain’s reaction to Catalonia’s independence was swift and reminiscent of Hitler’s extinguishment of Austria’s independence in his infamous “Anschluss” (union) between Nazi Germany and Austria. Rajoy ordered the sacking of Catalan First Minister Carles Puigdemont; his entire Cabinet, chief of the Catalan Mossos d’Esquadra police Jose Luis Trapero, Catalan representatives in Madrid, Brussels, Strasbourg, London, Paris, Copenhagen, Rome, Berlin, Vatican City, Lisbon, Rabat, Warsaw, Vienna, Zagreb, and Geneva; and even Catalan schoolteachers. Catalan government ministers were replaced with lisp-talking Castillian apparatchiks sent to the Catalan capital of Barcelona to administer, by fiat, all Catalan government institutions. Spanish Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria took over Puigdemont’s job, while Spanish Interior Minister Juan Ignacio Zoido took over the Catalan police functions from Trapero. Police duties in Catalonia were largely transferred from the Mossos d’Esquadra to the feared “Guardia Civil,” the notorious political enforcers for Franco’s fascist regime that were created by Franco as a Spanish version of Nazi Germany’s Gestapo.

The Madrid regime announced that new Catalan elections would be held on December 21 of this year, however, it is far from clear whether Catalonia’s pro-independence parties will be permitted to field candidates. Madrid may proscribe all of Catalonia’s pro-independence parties and groups, including “Junts Pel Sí” ("Together For Yes") and the Popular Unity Candidacy (CUP), leaving only pro-Spanish parties like Rajoy’s neo-fascist Popular Party and the accommodationist Socialists, Ciudadanos, and George Soros-financed Podemos on the ballot. Moreover, Madrid has threatened to put on trial all of Catalonia’s independence leaders for sedition. Sedition convictions under Spanish law carry a maximum 15-year prison term.

Madrid also ordered shut down a Catalan government special commission that was investigating Spanish police brutality against Catalan citizens during pro-independence demonstrations following the October 1 referendum. Ominously, the Madrid authorities ordered sacked police chief Trapero to turn in his passport, a sign that Madrid is contemplating seizing the passports of all of Catalonia’s independence leaders to prevent them from operating a Republic of Catalonia government-in-exile. The precedent for such action was the anti-Franco Spanish Second Republic’s government-in-exile established in Paris in 1939 after Franco’s seizure of Spain. After Nazi Germany’s invasion of France in 1940, the government-in-exile moved to Mexico City, where it was recognized by Mexico, Panama, Guatemala, Venezuela, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania, and Albania until its dissolution in 1977 after Spain’s so-called “constitutional monarchy” was restored after Franco’s death. The seizure of passports from Catalan officials and the closure of Catalan foreign missions abroad by Madrid is clearly aimed at preventing a Catalan government-in-exile from being formed.

Today, Rajoy and his junta have the support of all the major corporate periodicals in Spain, El País, El Mundo, ABC, El Razón, and Barcelona’s quisling newspaper La Vanguardia. However, no newspaper endorsements or messages of support from Donald Trump, Angela Merkel, Theresa May, and Jean-Claude Juncker that will enable Rajoy’s thugs to keep Catalonia under his boot heel. Catalonia’s future will be determined by its own people and their friends abroad, many of whom have rallied to Catalonia’s cause.

No sooner had Catalonia declared its independence, messages of support began streaming into Barcelona.

Jean-Guy Talamoni, the president of the National Assembly of Corsica, a French island where independence sentiment is strong, praised the “birth of the Republic of Catalonia.” Carole Delga, the president of the French region of Occitania, where Catalan is spoken in the Pyrenees-Orientales department, recognized Occitania’s strong ties to Catalonia and called for urgent talks between Spanish and Catalan authorities to maintain the civil peace.

Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who has promised a second Scottish independence referendum, voiced support for Catalonia. The leader of the Scottish National Party government in Edinburgh said, “The right to self-determination is an important international principle, and I hope very much it will be respected in Catalonia, and everywhere else." There is every reason to believe that Rajoy is seizing the Spanish European Union passports of Catalan leaders to prevent them from establishing a government-in-exile in either Edinburgh or Glasgow, two cities from which they could have at their service satellite communications links and direct air access to Europe’s major cities. There is a great degree of support among Scots for Catalan independence. The new Catalan Defense Committee Scotland is organizing opposition to Madrid’s aggression against Catalonia. It has stated, “The brutality and repression that has been visited upon the people of Catalonia cannot be allowed to continue, or to be legitimized.” The committee is not only confining its activities in Scotland and is vowing to spearhead a Europe-wide movement.

Catalonia’s cause is also supported by Jan Peumans, the speaker of the Flemish regional parliament. Citing the example of Scotland, Peumans said of Catalonia and his own region of Flanders, that independence of such regions is an “evolution that no European government can avoid.”

Regional leaders in Italy’s Lombardy and Veneto regions, which both voted in favor of more autonomy in recent referendums, rallied to Catalonia’s side and condemned Spain’s arrest and intimidation of Catalan leaders. Separatist leaders in the Faroe Islands, which voted in 1946 for independence from Denmark only to see the Danish government bow to pressure from Washington to keep the islands Danish, hope to repeat the 1946 vote in an April 2018 referendum for a new constitution for an independent Faroes. The declaration of the Republic of Catalonia has provided encouragement to not only the Faroese but those in Greenland who want to see a total break from Danish (and NATO) control.

Rajoy’s junta’s crackdown in Catalonia could also re-ignite the Basque region’s desire for independence. The Basque guerrilla group ETA declared a unilateral cease fire in 2010 but it never fully disarmed. If the Spanish suppression of Catalonia succeeds, the Basques may see themselves as next on Rajoy’s list. Unlike the Catalans, the Basques have shown Madrid that they are quite capable of bringing a war home to the very center of the Spanish state in Madrid. The Galicians may also see their autonomy at risk and a mobilization of the armed “Restistencia Galega” would force Madrid to face multiple fronts in not only Catalonia and the Basque region, but Galicia, as well.

Señor Rajoy and his proto-fascists would do well to listen to the Catalan protesters singing from the streets of Barcelona their traditional Catalan songs and one from the musical “Les Misérables” that should worry the puppet minister for the Bourbon king of Spain: “Do you hear the people sing? Singing a song of angry men? It is the music of a people Who will not be slaves again!.. Will you join in our crusade? Who will be strong and stand with me? Beyond the barricade. Is there a world you long to see? Then join in the fight. That will give you the right to be free!”


Nassim Tue, 10/31/2017 - 04:07 Permalink

Few people ever mention that Franco returned to Spain with an army of Moroccan mercenaries. Where do you think the money came from? It certainly did not come from Hitler and Mussolini.It came from Wall Street, The City of London and Paris.Spain: Franco’s Moroccan soldiers… USA, Israel and their allies tried the same thing in Syria - with mercenaries from more than 90 nations - and it failed. This time, the money came from the USA/CIA heroin, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Lokiban Tue, 10/31/2017 - 04:15 Permalink

To me it all sounds like a setup.
A setup gone wrong because the majority did not want to break away and when the majority prevails the plans lie in shambles.
It has become a big comical farce, an egg on the face of the political elite.

Mimir machiavellian-trader Tue, 10/31/2017 - 04:39 Permalink

You are right, Catalonians will never take up arms because they have seen that it is certainly not the way forward. Spain stopped being fascist not by arms, but by the decision of the King, Juan Carlos, supported by the will of the people to called for free elections after Franco's death. Catalonians are far from being gutless, like the author of this article, but highly intelligent Spanish people that learn from history and personal experience. 

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machiavellian-trader Mimir Tue, 10/31/2017 - 04:57 Permalink

My family suffered blood shed due to the Franco years, the scars are still fresh and no one in Spain wants a repeat of the attrocities that occured. The author seems to ignore that a huge portion of Catalanes do not want to leave Spain. How convenient to assume the whole population wants to leave.But to your point Catalanes have never been known as warriors or strong, they have always been conquered.

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Flankspeed60 bh2 Tue, 10/31/2017 - 07:38 Permalink

Lincoln was a despot and a madman, sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives in pursuit of his 'unity' mission. He shredded our Constitution and imprisoned by fiat newspaper publishers and other vocal critics of his unlawful policies, and allowed his generals to commit wide-scale atrocities against non-combatant civilians. Lincoln enjoys 'high-regard' only because our leftist press and communist indoctrinators, aka 'educators,' have been given free reign to write history as they wish it to be. However, documented facts refuse to be 'unwritten.'There - fixed it for ya.

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ThinkAgain Tue, 10/31/2017 - 04:35 Permalink

The states as we known them today will dissolve (i.e. declare bankruptcy: implode under their debt burdens). The new normal will be an old normal. See A pity. As alternatives are availble. Like (for non-war addicted nations only: otherwise it will blow itself up too at fast pace). Money creation channeled into houses, infrastructure, trade finance, energy harvesting/conservatiion, legal system, health care: just the stuff that's right.

Vegetius Tue, 10/31/2017 - 04:38 Permalink

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If the Catalans are serious about this they should follow the lead of the Irish Republicans from 1916 - 1919 when there was no fighting rather the Irish stopped using any state body and set up parallel ones. These parallel bodies gained traction and as one British Judge pointed out at the time "You cannot rule a people who ignore you"The question is IF.

Vageling Vegetius Tue, 10/31/2017 - 09:36 Permalink

True. If "We the People" don't accept their authority... They have no other option to use force... Accept the people that have to apply the force are fellow citizens. Which means ultimately... They have no power. As they need the people their consent for that. But nowadays people A) don't even understand how a government works, B) only care about fingerfucking their "smart"phone and C) so conditioned as sheeple they don't have the balls. 

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Vageling Overflow Tue, 10/31/2017 - 09:29 Permalink

As fellow European I have to agree.The proces was a mess, Yes. The elections are therefor not valid. And I disregard all sides their bullshit, especially that of some "silent majority" which seems to be the "libtard" their latest trick. If Madrid had the balls they allowed it as they don't have to accept it either way, legally that is. But that's my opinion. Furthermore fascism? Complete out of proportion. The law was applied without force. Other than some incidents at the elections ,which as we now know, were also blown out of proportion. The former Catalonian President is still walking around. Since he decided not to ask for political asylum and yaps about "responsibility" we'll see what happens to him.Another fact people miss is that NOTHING changes on the Catalonian status. They will be ruled from Madrid until after the elections. Then they get to run their region themselves again. Also what's mind boggling... Some people here cheer for people who are libtard as fuck. The same idiots we mock here everyday.What we did learn, and already knew, democracy ain't what it used to be. Vote every few years and shut up. That's not democracy. But that's hardly a surprise here, is it?Don't fall for collectivism! We're being played here. 

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jvidalm Tue, 10/31/2017 - 05:04 Permalink

The Unity of Spain is far older than Nationalism, Fascism or even Comunism. To link National Unity with fascism is to play the game of the Nationalists, and the evil of this idology hasnt been rooted out of Europe yet. To call fascism, to a patriot Spaniard is outragious. And to use the Law to prevent rebellion is just normal

Flankspeed60 jvidalm Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:11 Permalink

"The unity of Spain.............."Exactly which 'unity' are you referring to? There is the 'unity' of the power structure, or 'empire.' And then there is the 'unity' of the hearts and minds of the people. Fascists always worship the former and give no regard to the latter, hoping the serfs will buckle under the humiliation for their lack of 'patriotism.'

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Overflow Tue, 10/31/2017 - 05:12 Permalink

"The Madrid regime" LOL!   This is scaring!   Every time mass media starts calling any nation "the regime", it means the sheep is being prepared for somethig they would regret. Luckily, for us, no threat to Spain's "regime".   it's not NYT or WP spreading the bullshit.  It's only The New Young Turks in a nervous breakdown. 

Capitan Trueno Tue, 10/31/2017 - 05:55 Permalink

stop spreading lies and do your job, please.  The truth and nothing but the truth ...A few days ago, the writer Antonio Muñoz Molina told us in his article his experience with the old clichés that circulate around about Spain. Those are the clichés some of the international press turn to, with invariable automatism, whenever something happens here. His article was about the events in Catalonia, events that spring into conversation with foreign colleagues and friends and reflect the frustration that many Spaniards feel when they see how some international leaders and mass media from different countries are commenting and informing on these facts.In his article, titled "In Francoland", this writer confessed that in different times and circumstances he had had to explain "with patience" and "pedagogic will" to foreign speakers that Spain is a democracy. Indeed, an imperfect democracy, though no more than the ones of similar countries. The fact that he had to explain this is indicative of a resistance to accept this truism, a resistance whose psychological humus was seeing by this author in the following manner:

A great deal of the sustained opinion, in Europe and America, especially within the university and journalistic elites, would rather maintain a dark vision of Spain, would rather have a lazy attachment to the worst stereotypes, particularly the ones to do with the legacy of the dictatorship or the bullfighting propensity to civil war and bloodshed. This stereotype is so seductive that is held shamelessly by people that are convinced of loving our country. They love us as bullfighters, heroic militiamen, inquisitors, victims. They love us so much that they do not like us that they do not want us to question their willing blindness in which they sustain their love for Spain. They love so much the idea of a rebellious Spain fighting against fascism that they are not willing to accept that fascism ended many years ago.

Whether this love is so blind is debatable. Or if it is love or something else. What I am not questioning with Muñoz Molina is the fact that this attachment to stereotypes has made relatively effortless for the Catalan independentists to align in their favour a non-negligible portion of the international opinion. This writer was not mentioning the efforts (or lack of) from the Government of Spain to offset the narrative of the Catalan separatism in the international arena. However, he did point to the deficiencies of the Spanish international policy, deficiencies that are not just of today, when he said that "the Spanish democracy has not been able to dissipate the centuries old stereotypes". It is true. The Spanish democracy is struggling with this burden of clichés that are as old as the Black Legend. However, it would be unjust and not true to blame exclusively the Spanish democracy, its leaders or its precarious foreign policy for the persistence of such stereotypes. The illustrated elites of Europe and America also have their responsibility. They are not children. They are not people without access to information and knowledge. If they maintain their prejudices and stereotypes about Spain, if they hold onto them due to intellectual sloth or whatever other reason, it is because they are not making any effort to know. This would not be the first willful blindness that they suffer. There is no need to always scourge ourselves.Like many others, I have criticised the government of Rajoy since a while ago now for not bothering themselves with offering data and address the lies of the Catalan independentism. Moreover, for not doing this both outside Spain and in Spain. It must be said that they have not distinguished themselves for dismounting here the lies or half-truths disseminated by the separatists during the procés years. This has had to be done by the civil society. It is unsurprising that now, in the most critical times, the government has been completely absent in the public opinion arena. This, in fact, is a constant feature of the Popular Party. This being most likely related to their deep and amorphous apolitical nature: they are concerned with power, not politics.It is true, this work has not been done by the Government of Spain. However, have all the international papers, correspondents, special envoys in Catalonia done their work? Because we are not talking about children here. We are talking about media and professionals whose job is, to a great extent, to not allow themselves to be deceived. We are not to set up a kindergarten to explain to international media and journalists the abc of their profession. We are not to be blamed if they are not able to distinguish the truth from lies, if they are led astray by propagandists and stirrers. In fact, it should not be necessary that the government nor anybody else did send them another "narrative". All that is needed is that the media and their correspondents do their job. Nothing else.ZHs,    this is true information and not the crap that you are disseminated lately ...… 

Joe A Tue, 10/31/2017 - 05:58 Permalink

Oh dear. I don't like how Rajoy is handling all this and for sure the Falange is still very much alive in some circles in Spain (hi Don Diego!) but to insinuate that Rajoy, Spain, the EU and the US are Hitler and Mussolini is a bit over the top. A bit much.

Vageling Joe A Tue, 10/31/2017 - 10:11 Permalink

That's a shall be imprisoned up to "no more than 30 years" context. It's up to a judge and I doubt he/she (fuck that ze/zhe freakstuff) will apply the maximum sentence. And indeed... The fascists/communists/socialists would have simply shot you. No judge needed. That's what the kiddies nowadays don't get but do support without realizing it. 

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Fireman Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:04 Permalink

Spanish fanaticism is alive and well inside impoverished Spain. Meanwhile lame duck STASI "Erika" Merkill trying to cobble a rag tag government of globalists together has nothing to say about the resurgence of Franco style fascism. It is obvious that democracy is dead in Urupp and that EuroPeons are going to be feeling the stomping of jackboots more and more as the collapse of the phony financial scam approaches. If Rajoy the sickly Franco style thug is allowed to murder members of the independent state of Catalan the floodgates will open. How long before the IRA return to the scene and push for an independent united Ireland? Along with the Basques they could very easily pose a formidable threat to Natostan and the EUSSR itself. God bless Catalonia and her people. Modern Spain and the injustice behind its regime. 

lucitanian Fireman Tue, 10/31/2017 - 13:25 Permalink

Thank you very much for the attached link, which if the ZH readers take the time to view would see how the Rajoy's PP government is working, and how the Min. of the Int. is using the police, courts, and mass media in methods which show what is a real cancer in Madrid and its relation to the atempt to undermine democracy in Spain.

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beegle Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:08 Permalink

LOL Pretty sure part of the 60k Puigdemont paid some pr agancy to get his article on the WAPO and his interview in the NYT also paid for whomever wrotte this. Thought ZH was better than this. ZH d would do anything to pump gold. I know that. LOL

Capitan Trueno Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:08 Permalink

In Francoland: SPANISH STEREOTYPES. happened to me on the last night of September in Heidelberg, but it has also happened quite frequently in other cities in Europe and the United States, and even here in Spain, when talking with foreign journalists. At various points throughout different eras, I have been forced to explain patiently, and with as much clarity as possible for educational purposes, that my country is a democracy, while undoubtedly flawed it is not any more seriously flawed when compared to similar countries. I have gone to great lengths to name dates, mention laws and changes, and establish useful comparisons. In New York, I had to remind people, who were full of democratic ideals and condescension, of the fact that my country, unlike theirs, does not accept the death penalty, sending minors to prison to serve life sentences, or torturing inmates in secret jails.Sometimes outside Spain, one is forced to teach a history or geography lesson. Until not too long ago, a Spanish citizen had to explain that the Basque Country is not even remotely like Kurdistan, Palestine, or the Nicaraguan jungle where Sandinistas used to protest Somoza the dictator, all in spite of being aware that the odds were that he wouldn’t be listened to. We had to explain that the Basque Country is among the most advanced territories in Europe, with one of the highest standards of living, and that it has a degree of self-government and fiscal sovereignty considerably higher than any state or federal region in the world. The answer used to be, at best, a polite but skeptical smile.A great deal of educated opinions, both in Europe and the United States, and even more so among the academic and journalistic elites, would rather hold a bleak view of Spain, maintain a lazy attachment to the worst stereotypes, particularly about the legacy of the dictatorship, as well as a bullfight-like propensity to civil war and bloodshed. The cliché is so captivating that is unapologetically held by people who are convinced they really love our country. They want us to be bullfighters, heroic guerrillas, inquisitors, and victims. They love us so much that they hate it when we question the willful blindness upon which they build their love. They love the idea of a rebellious, fascism-fighting Spain so much that they are not ready to accept that fascism ended many years ago. They love what they see as our quaint backwardness so much that they feel insulted if we explain to them how much we have changed in the last 40 years: we don’t attend Mass, women have an active presence in every social sphere, same-sex marriage was accepted with astonishing speed and ease, and we have integrated several million immigrants in just a few years, without outbursts of xenophobia.The other night in Heidelberg on the eve of the notorious October 1, in the middle of a pleasant dinner with several professors and translators, I had to explain that once again with a forcefulness that helped me overcome my despondency. A German female professor told me that someone from Catalonia had assured her that Spain was still “Francoland.” I asked her, as nicely as I could, how she would feel if someone said to her that Germany was still Hitlerland. She felt immediately insulted. With as much calm as I could manage and in an educational tone, I clarified what no citizen from another democratic country in Europe has ever been forced to clarify: that Spain is a democracy, as worthy and as flawed as Germany and as far away from totalitarianism; even more so, if we look at the latest election results achieved by the far right. If we are still in Francoland, as her Catalan informer said, how is it possible for Catalonia to have its own educational system, parliament, police force, public television and public radio, and an international institute for the dissemination of Catalan language and culture? Acknowledging the singularity of Catalonia was a priority for the new Spanish democracy, I told her that the Generalitat, the Catalan regional government, was re-established even before voting on the Constitution. What an odd Francoist country, one that suppress Catalan language and culture so much that it chooses a Catalan language film to represent Spain at the Oscars.Anybody that has lived or is living outside our country knows about the precariousness of our international presence, the financial strangulation and the political meddling that have so often thwarted the relevance of the Cervantes Institute, the lack of an ambitious, long-term foreign policy, and a national framework agreement that doesn’t change with every change in government. Spanish democracy hasn’t been able to dispel age-old stereotypes. Basque terrorists and their propagandists took good advantage of that for many years, precisely the years when we were at our most vulnerable, when the most murderous gunmen were still being granted asylum in France.Therefore, the Catalan secessionists have not needed much effort or a sophisticated media campaign to turn international opinion in their favor, the so-called “narrative.” They had succeeded even without the dedicated cooperation of the Interior Ministry, which sent forces from the National Police and the Civil Guard to appear as extras in the bitter spectacle of our discredit. Few things make a foreign correspondent in Spain happier than the opportunity to corroborate our exoticism and our brutality. Even the renowned Jon Lee Anderson, who lives or has lived among us, is deliberately lying, with no qualms he is aware that he is lying and aware of the effect his lies will have, when he writes in The New Yorkerthat the Civil Guard is a “paramilitary” force.As a Spanish citizen, with all my fervent Europeanism and my love of travel, I feel hopelessly doomed to melancholy, for a number of reasons. One of them is the discredit the democratic system in my country receives due to ineptitude, corruption and political disloyalty. Add to that the fact that the European and cosmopolitan world where people like me see ourselves and which we have so painstakingly worked to appear to be a part of, always prefer to look down upon us — no matter how carefully we try to explain ourselves or however assiduously we learn languages, so that they can better understand our useless explanations. 

Joe A Capitan Trueno Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:47 Permalink

Well, old prejudices dies hard. A bit of Northern European Protestantism involved in that. But Spain also affirms the prejudices in a way. Mostly through its art and culture. Spain has made a remarkable transition after the Franco dictatorship, an accomplishment that in my opinion mostly comes on the conto of the socio-democrats and Felipe Gonzalez. Democracy, regions with a high level of autonomy, a booming economy (at least in the 90s and 00s), etc. But then comes along a challenge to all that and Rajoy handles it badly. Considering the history of the Franco regime that in the total history of democracy is not that far away, sending the national police and Guardia Civil, making arrests, cracking down on the day of the referendum, making threats of giving people 30 years(!) for sedition and rebellion, etc. are not good ways to erase that memory. Hidden emotions as expressed here by some about "law and order" and "a por ellos" cries from Spain itself show that next to old prejudices, old sentiments also die hard. And that carefully crafted image of Spain suddenly falls apart. Whether or not the Catalan call for independence is justified or feasible, employing 20th century tactics in a 21st century world where people demand more autonomy and control over their lives, only strengthens old prejudices.

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Flankspeed60 Capitan Trueno Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:53 Permalink

Despair not, Amigo! Compared to Americans, Spaniards are angelic cherubs in the eyes of the world. Despite my skillful articulations to the contrary, Americans cannot separate themselves from the reputation of its fascist, destructive, meddling, mind-numbingly corrupt, over-reaching, overarching, kleptoctratic empire. Millions of Americans would love to be free of its strangling tentacles, and that day is coming. Meanwhile, we can only gaze longingly at your Catalans, dreaming wistfully, admiringly, wishing we could muster the courage we once had, to take to the streets and offer our blood if necessary, in exchange for our freedom.

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msamour Capitan Trueno Tue, 10/31/2017 - 07:18 Permalink

Your long diatribe was just bullshit. What the entire world saw was pure faschism. The reason why Catalans were not allowed to vote was because the central authority knew exactly what the outcome would be. I have started a boycott of all things Spanish, and I encourage people to not buy , or deal with any Spanish busnisess whenever I can. During this entire event since the summer the only thing we have heard from Spanish people is how superior you guys are from everybody, and how you know better than anyone.I picked up a few books in the last few months, and I have read about the last 100 years in Spain. You have absolutely nothing to be proud of! At this point in time, I would have to say that Spaniards have achieved something I thought was impossible. You are more arrogant than fucking Americans! That takes a talent that is really out of this world. So you can continue spewing your excuses for thinking you have the best country in the world, and that you do not have problems in your country where ethnic groups want their freedoms, and you can continue to cheer the faschist army, and government into beating detractos. I will continue to not deal with Spanish businesses. I hope your entire economy collapses you smug bastard!

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Wizard of Finance msamour Tue, 10/31/2017 - 09:34 Permalink

I would recommend you to extend your boycitt about all things Spanish to include writing about Spain and Spaniards. Seems these few books of yours were not enough. I fully disagree on Spaniards considering themselves above anybody. the only thing we can be proud of is having created a democratic society, open, where all spaniards could have the same rights without privileges. each of us is at the end an ethnic group itself. certainly we have problems. of course. but the separatist path will only multiply them   

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Vageling msamour Tue, 10/31/2017 - 09:57 Permalink

Boycott all things Spanish? Sure... First of all, why? Secondly... Do you even know how to recognize "Spanish" products? And where did the Spaniards claim to be the best country in the world? And since you can't even spell fascists correctly, I doubt you even know what it means. You sound very bitter.  

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Vageling Capitan Trueno Tue, 10/31/2017 - 10:25 Permalink

"Therefore, the Catalan secessionists have not needed much effort or a sophisticated media campaign to turn international opinion in their favor, the so-called “narrative.” They had succeeded even without the dedicated cooperation of the Interior Ministry, which sent forces from the National Police and the Civil Guard to appear as extras in the bitter spectacle of our discredit. Few things make a foreign correspondent in Spain happier than the opportunity to corroborate our exoticism and our brutality."Not only that, I saw shameless self proclaimed journalist spinning narratives that has little to do with Spain. I read some bitch who wrote a piece like the Spaniards "knew" her... She's nobody in her own country. Let alone Spain, which she has no ties with. Stick it to the "extreme right" and blame them... LoL! Wut? The fake news didn't know how to abuse it quickly enough. That it's disinformation, also that it's insulting to the Spaniards. They don't care.I've been to Spain many, many times. Madrid, Barcelona and the whole Costa Brava (As the Spanish call it.). I wouldn't call Spain Francoland. Sure don't fuck with the Guardia Civil or local police. But there is more than meets the eye on this one.As for corruption. That's not a Spanish issue. It occurs in every European nation. A fact people disregard.  

In reply to by Capitan Trueno

Fireman Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:14 Permalink

The thug Franco died in his bed in 1975 surrounded by war criminals, along with the reigning deviants from the Catholic Church and backed to the end by the inbred royals. His mausoleum outside Madrid was built by 20,000 slave laborers to honor the brute that had been responsible for the slaughter of more than 200,000 on the battlefields not to mention those executed and disappeared to uphold the feudal cacique system that still plagues Spain. After the recent disgusting display of mini Franco i.e. the sickly Rajoy's goons clubbing Catalans for daring to the hard part, clubbing them in their homes to make them vote for all that Franco stands for and continuing to pay for an impoverished Spanish aristocracy that has pissed away the loot of its colonial sacking. Civil war is coming to Spain and it will force the Pedophile Politburo in Natostan sewer Brussels to stand and be counted as the house of cards that is the EUSSR wobbles and collapses along with Pox Amerikana.   El hoyo de las ratas.
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realWhiteNight123129 Tue, 10/31/2017 - 06:35 Permalink

Funny that we have headlines like "meddling of Russia into US elections", and nobody talks about "meddling of Spain into Catalonia elections. And how about "crack down on investigation of violence against voters". That is amazing, EU is becoming USSR.