"Abdication Is Unthinkable": Saudis Deny King Salman Will Relinquish Throne To His Son

Three days ago, we reported that based on various unconfirmed media reports, Saudi King Salman - reeling from a just concluded purge that arrested some of the country's wealthiest and most powerful royals and officials - was set to elevate his son, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to the throne in as little as 48 hours. Speculation peaked when Al-Arabiya tweeted, then quickly deleted, details of the allegedly imminent ascension ceremony.

To be sure, though a transfer of power to the crown prince has long been predicted and expected, especially after a lesser known round of mass arrests targeting well-known Saudi clerics took place in September, last week's events pointed to a final "house cleaning" purge in preparation for bin Salman's likely imminent ascent. After the September arrests against clerics who were largely seen as regime insiders, yet who were mildly critical of the new aggressive stance against Qatar, the WSJ quoted an adviser to the Saudi government as saying, “Mohammed bin Salman is definitely preparing to become king. He wants to tackle the internal debate about him becoming the king and focus on consolidating his power, rather than doing that while being distracted by dissidents.

During the September crackdown, which is currently receiving little commentary in relation to last weekend's turmoil, over 30 prominent political figures were detained, most of them clerics with large social media followings and broad influence in the Arab world. The WSJ further noted at that time that...

The government has denied an abdication is planned, but several people close to the royal family say preparations have already started. The transfer of power, which several people close to the royal family had expected to occur this month, is likely to take place late this year or early next year, these people say.

At that time, one of the few commentators to rightly point out that this was not fundamentally about rounding up "outsiders" and "oppositionists" was Middle East history professor and expert on Saudi affairs, As'ad AbuKhalil. He predicted the crackdown was part of a broader campaign aimed at regime insiders and prominent voices who threatened push-back against the crown prince's vision for Saudi foreign policy:

Unlike what some in the media are writing on social media, this crackdown is not directed against dissidents.  Many of those arrested are loyal propagandists for the Saudi regime.  They are being punished not for what they say but for what they are not saying: they are being punished for not being vocal against Qatar and against the Muslim Brotherhood.

Indeed, last week's internal Saudi earthquake which witnessed the detention of about a dozen other princes, as well as the freezing in billions in assets, further confirms AbuKhalil's analysis. Meanwhile, the Crown Prince's path to the throne is now virtually unimpeded: as a reminder, the 32-year-old Prince Mohammed was named heir to the throne in June after replacing his cousin. Last week, Prince Miteb bin Abdullah was also dismissed from his post as head of the National Guard as part of what authorities described as a sweeping anti-corruption drive, reinforcing speculation that the crown prince was on the cusp of becoming king.

In fact, transfer of power from the King to the Royal Prince would be merely a formality at this point: Prince Mohammed already controls almost all levers of government; he oversees defense, oil and economic policies, and - in applying the script of Syriana to real life - has vowed to wean the Saudi economy off its reliance on oil and return to a more moderate form of Islam.

But perhaps the most substantial confirmation that royal succession is indeed in the cards, is the official denial that took place overnight via Bloomberg, which reported that "King Salman isn’t planning to abdicate in favor of his son, a senior Saudi official said, dismissing mounting speculation that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman will soon ascend to the throne." Needless to say, if mounting speculation was baseless, Saudi Arabia would simply ignore it.

There is no possibility whatsoever that the king will abdicate,’’ the official said in response to written questions. Saudi kings usually stay in power even when bad health prevents them from carrying out their job, the official said on condition of anonymity. He noted the example of King Fahd, who stayed on as monarch until his death in 2005 despite being gravely ill in the last few years of his reign.

The denial continued: "Abdication is unthinkable especially since King Salman, 81, enjoys “perfect’’ physical and mental powers, the official said. Those who suggest otherwise “do not understand royal customs and traditions in Saudi Arabia,” the official said." Or, perhaps, they do very well, which is why Riyadh felt the need to issue an official denial.

The irony is that by directly addressing the mounting speculation, the Saudi royal family merely adds credence to it. In a catch 22 described by Graham Griffiths, an analyst at consultancy Control Risks in Dubai, the government will have difficulty credibly denying that speculation “because no one expects them to acknowledge it as a possibility before it happens. As a result, rumor and speculation will continue to abound.”

Additionally, abdication is not unthinkable: as Bloomberg notes, there is one precedent of a Saudi monarch stepping down while still alive.

King Saud bin Abdulaziz abdicated in favor of his brother and heir, Prince Faisal, in the mid-1960s after pressure from ruling family members. The prince had already claimed broad powers to counter a financial crisis that engulfed the kingdom at the time.

In September Eurasia Group said the royal palace was finalizing plans to transfer power allowing “the father to oversee the transition and prevent dissent from other powerful members of the ruling family.”

In any case, while a royal accession may not be imminent, all signs now point to an orderly succession in a few years’ time, discontent with Prince Mohammed’s domestic reform program and foreign policy initiatives “could increase the family’s willingness to challenge him,’’ Griffiths said. Last week's mega purge, which intends to confiscate up to $800 billion in assets from Saudi oligarchs, may be just the catalyst for Prince Mohammed to accelerate his accession plans as the animosity among the kingdom's wealthiest and most powerful is rising fast.

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fearnot Nov 12, 2017 8:29 PM Permalink

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32
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A Nazi in the (pocket) is worth four in the Bush (family)

Part One - Part II ‘Frauds-R-Us’

Prescott Bush, granpa of Dubya

The Nazi’s American Banker

What is interesting about the history of the Bush family are the connections; Avril Harriman, Allen Dulles, the Rockefellers (the start of the oil connection), James Baker III, Gulf Oil, Pennzoil, Osama bin Laden…on and on it goes.

A lapse of memory?

By William Bowles

05/07/03: (Information Clearing House) It’s as well to remember that the Web never forgets, at least the US pres should take note of this fact and be careful of his utterances and how they can come back to haunt him. In fact four generations of Bush family history and too many skeletons in too many closets to count are to be found on the Web.

And given all the ‘pullpit pounding’ (more of which below) by ol’ Duyba and his minions, over the dubious moral character of Saddam and his cronies, much of which has underpinned the justification for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, it’s as well to compare the two sets of rogues. Not surprisingly, there’s little to choose between the two except that, in the case of the Bush gang, they have a ‘pedigree’ in perfidy which extends back almost a century and four generations that makes Saddam look positively angelic by comparison.

Prescott Bush – setting a family example

In a previous piece (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3243.htm) a quote I used mentioned Prescott Bush the present pres’s granpa (http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030210Koop.html) so I decided to do a little researching to see what other dirty little secrets the Bush family have hidden in the dark recesses of the WWW and lo and behold, there’s a load of stuff out there (7,630 links to be precise, according to good ol’ google just on granpa Prescott Bush).

Geronimo!

It’s 1918 and, well you know students, they’re always up to innocent pranks. It seems Grandpa Bush set his grandson some fine family precedents starting with digging up Geronimo’s skull,

"In 1918, Prescott Bush and two companions crept into the cemetery near Fort Sill and pried open the grave of Geronimo.

The head was taken out, spiffed up and forwarded to New Haven, where it was given pride of place for goofy rituals that have been attended by generations of Bushes and a veritable army of powerful types."

http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20000923roddy.asp

The Apache nation (what was left of it anyway) was not amused. Okay, we’ll forgive granpa Bush his ‘juvenile pranks’ but it seems that this set the scene for the rest of his miserable life until his death in 1972 from carcinoma of the lung.

From skulls to Zyklon B (and back again)

But it seems that great-granpa George Walker was also in on the business of making money out of death (like great-granpa like great grand-son),

"George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, also set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest."

Source: http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id195/pg1/

Banking on Fascism

It just doesn’t stop does it, as Prescott Bush, son of George continued in the ‘grand tradition’ of skullduggery by also doing deals with the Nazis,

"On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)

"The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler."

"Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the Nazi war industry. It too was seized as a Nazi-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of Nazi iron and explosives.

"Prescott Bush was also a director of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, (this one owned largely by Roland's brother, Averell Harriman), which owned about a third of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the rest owned by Friedrich Flick, (a member of Himmler's "Circle of Friends" who donated to the S.S.)."

Source: http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm

What is interesting about the history of the Bush family are the connections; Avril Harriman, Allen Dulles, the Rockefellers (the start of the oil connection), James Baker III, Gulf Oil, Pennzoil, Osama bin Laden…on and on it goes. It looks like this’ll have to be part one of an on-going series on the Bush dynasty and their dirty dealings.

Double Dutch?

The story of steel magnate and billionaire bankroller of the Nazis, Fritz Thyssen and his Bush family connection is so incredible, that it deserves to be turned into a movie (obviously not by Hollywood). It all starts with John Loftus, a former U.S.Department of Justice Nazi War Crimes prosecutor who is the source of the following,

"From 1945 until 1949, one of the lengthiest and, it now appears, most futile interrogations of a Nazi war crimes suspect began in the American Zone of Occupied Germany…. [The interrogation of] [m]ultibillionaire steel magnate Fritz Thyssen-the man whose steel combine was the cold heart of the Nazi war machine."

They were trying to find out what had happened to Thyssen’s billions but without success. Why?

"What the Allied investigators never understood was that they were not asking Thyssen the right question. Thyssen did not need any foreign bank accounts because his family secretly owned an entire chain of banks. He did not have to transfer his Nazi assets at the end of World War II, all he had to do was transfer the ownership documents - stocks, bonds, deeds and trusts--from his bank in Berlin through his bank in Holland to his American friends in New York City, Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker. Thyssen's partners in crime were the father and father-in-law of a future President of the United States [my emph. WB].

"The British and American interrogators may have gravely underestimated Thyssen but they nonetheless knew they were being lied to. Their suspicions focused on one Dutch Bank in particular, the Bank voor Handel enScheepvaart, in Rotterdam. This bank did a lot of business with the Thyssens over the years. In 1923, as a favor to him, the Rotterdam bank loaned the money to build the very first Nazi party headquarters in Munich.

"If the investigators realized that the US intelligence chief in postwar Germany, Allen Dulles, was also the Rotterdam bank's lawyer, they might have asked some very interesting questions. They did not know that Thyssen was Dulles' client [my emph. WB] as well. Nor did they ever realize that it was Allen Dulles's other client, Baron Kurt Von Schroeder who was the Nazi trustee for the Thyssen companies which now claimed to be owned by the Dutch [my emph. WB]. The Rotterdam Bank was at the heart of Dulles' cloaking scheme, and he guarded its secrets jealously.

"[T]he Dutch connection remained unexplored until 1994 when I published the book "The Secret War Against the Jews." As a matter of historical curiosity, I mentioned that Fritz Thyssen (and indirectly, the Nazi Party) had obtained their early financing from Brown Brothers Harriman [my emph. WB], and its affiliate, the Union Banking Corporation. Union Bank, in turn, was the Bush family's holding company for a number of other entities, including the "Holland American Trading Company."

Source: http://www.baltech.org/lederman/bush-nazi-fortune-2-09-02.html

There are so many twists and turns to this story, that this is not the place to to go into all the labyrinthine links between the Nazis, the Bush Family and the CIA (via Allen Dulles) or indeed, a host of other corporate connections. But this final quote from the same source, gives you an idea of just how much money is involved,

"The enormous sums of money deposited into the Union Bank prior to 1942 is the best evidence that Prescott Bush knowingly served as a money launderer for the Nazis. Remember that Union Banks' books and accounts were frozen by the U.S. Alien Property Custodian in 1942 and not released back to the Bush family until 1951. At that time, Union Bank shares representing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of industrial stocks and bonds were unblocked for distribution. Did the Bush family really believe that such enormous sums came from Dutch enterprises? One could sell tulip bulbs and wooden shoes for centuries and not achieve those sums. A fortune this size could only have come from the Thyssen profits made from rearming the Third Reich, and then hidden, first from the Nazi tax auditors, and then from the Allies."

For the full story please go to the link above.

Crocodile tears

All of which makes the following quote from Dubya all the more sickening,

"In April 1999, [then] Texas Governor George W. Bush proclaimed a week of remembrance for the Holocaust. He said, "I urge Texans to never forget the inhumanity of those who perpetrated the Holocaust, and reflect upon our own humanity and our responsibility to respect all peoples."

Source: http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id195/pg1/

Like granpa like grand-son? Well given where Dubya got his money from, and his continuing in the ‘grand tradition of the Bush gang, I’m feeling quite biblical about things, so I thought following,

Short diversion

Would be useful. I know there will be some among you who think I’ve just got it in for the Bushes, so in my wanderings over the Web, I came across this little gem from http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/herskowitz.html

"Duty, Honor, Country

The Life and Legacy of Prescott Bush

By Mickey Herskowitz

This paean to the life of Prescott Bush, by a conservative writer is a salutory warning to us all. I quote,

"He [Prescott Bush] was a unifier, not a divider. And he was of such high integrity [sic] that behind the scenes was where he was at his best. He was a man of great faith. His grandfather was a minister whose faith and integrity were fully ingrained in the Bush family. Prescott always emphasized honesty, charity, fairness and proactive dedication to God, family and country."

From a review by Susan Kurz.

I could go on quoting, but I’m afraid I’ll throw up. Check it out for yourself at http://www.townhall.com/bookclub/herskowitz.html. Townhall.com is, by the way, "the first truly interactive community on the Internet to bring Internet users, conservative public policy organizations, congressional staff, and political activists together under the broad umbrella of "conservative" thoughts, ideas and actions."

There’s none so blind as those that refuse to see.

From Eugenicist to anti-abortionist

Not content with digging up the ancestors, supporting Fascism,laundering Nazi money through a Dutch-based bank, selling weapons to the mullahs of Iran, trading guns for drugs, doing business deals with Osama bin Laden, the Bush family in the form of ol’ granpa Prescott was an early supporter of the Eugenics movement (or racial purity, to give it its real name). And a rather embarassing connection it is too, as Bush Snr discovered,

"…And the Birth Control League was there, which had long trumpeted the need for eugenical births--fewer births for parents with "inferior" bloodlines. Prescott [Bush’s] partner Tighe was a Connecticut director of the league, and the Connecticut league's medical advisor was eugenics advocate Dr. Winternitz of Yale Medical School.

Now in 1950, people who knew something about Prescott Bush knew that he had very unsavory roots in the eugenics movement. There were then, just after the anti-Hitler war, few open advocates of sterilization of "unfit" or "unnecessary" people. (That would be revived later, with the help of General Draper and his friend George Bush

Then, very late in the 1950 senatorial campaign, Prescott Bush was publicly exposed for being an activist in that section of the old fascist eugenics movement. Prescott Bush lost the election by about 1,000 out of 862,000 votes

In his foreword to a population control propaganda book, George Bush wrote about that 1950 election: "My own first awareness of birth control as a public policy issue came with a jolt in 1950 when my father was running for United States Senate in Connecticut. Drew Pearson, on the Sunday before Election day, ‘revealed’ that my father was involved with Planned Parenthood.... Many political observers felt a sufficient number of voters were swayed by his alleged contacts with the birth controllers to cost him the election...."

Source: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Exhibit/2412/eugenics/Bush.html

The Bush story is such a fascinating history of capitalist corruption and power that it needs to be presented to a public that is consistently lied to, not only by the corporate media but by our so-called leaders. In Part Two, I’m going to give you the low-down on the Bush family’s involvement in the scams and dealings of the Reagan years, the Iran-Contra scandal and one of the biggest rip-offs in history, the savings and loan scandal, which cost the US taxpayer literally trillions of dollars. Yeah, you read right, trillions!

Part II ‘Frauds-R-Us’

Copyright © 2003, William Bowles.

redmudhooch Nov 12, 2017 5:08 PM Permalink

Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that U.S.-based  Israeli Mossad agents might someday need to “order a hit” on the president of the United States.http://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2012/01/24/israeli-assassinatio… Jan. 13 the Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that Israel might someday need to “order a hit” on the president of the United States.In the column, publisher Andrew Adler describes a scenario in which Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu would need to “give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel.”The purpose? So that the vice president could then take office and dictate U.S. policies that would help the Jewish state “obliterate its enemies.”Adler wrote that it is highly likely that the idea “has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles.”Numerous Jewish leaders quickly condemned Adler, who has now apologized for the column, resigned, and put the newspaper up for sale. An Israeli columnist noted that the hatred being stirred up against Obama is similar to conditions in Israel that led to the murder of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin by a Jewish extremist.

Avichi Nov 12, 2017 2:32 PM Permalink

Aha...I think now the Ayatollahs can  tell the ARAB KINGDOM PRINCE(s)...Watch buddies DO NOT MESS WITH US, We will shake you all the way till Kuwait, Watch out Sheikh Burj Towers.

turkey george palmer Nov 12, 2017 1:20 PM Permalink

Wish I knew what the point of genocide in Yemen was. Are the houthi that dam dangerous I know they about won a civil war in Yemen which might have been interesting if Iran could have kicked the us out of Yemen. No way Israel could let that happen. There it is the Iranian failure in Yemen is key.

helloimjohnnycat Nov 12, 2017 1:18 PM Permalink

You fuckin' fuckks should know.....those sand niggers are making youse guys pull your puds while oil gushes higher.Fuckkin' fat-bellied joos over there are butt-fuckkin' each other, the ZH Tylers, most of you half-witts, and anything else with only a trace of sand ' round its smelly orifice.That's Amore !Huma was a 12, don't ya' know,  before her tongue was blackmailed / captured by HRC.Pantsuit granny ain't abdicating THAT weapon of moist direction.Dayam, I just lost my appetite.

AAA shovelhead Nov 12, 2017 12:18 PM Permalink

No Chance,The most significant part in this drama is that General Raheel Sharif is advising the Crown Prince on supposedly Yemen strategy while in reality he has  brought his Pakistani coup expertise on the table. The masked special forces are mostly Pakistani special forces so they are likely to be loyal to the Crown Prince till he consolidates his power

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Son of Captain Nemo Nov 12, 2017 12:11 PM Permalink

Whether you abdicate your "throne" is meaningless at this point in your economic deterioration and crisis of your own making along with your "handlers" x3 in the U.S., Brussels and U.K. ...

YOUR WORDS AND $$$ WILL NEVER "EVER" HAVE ANY WEIGHT... IT'S YOUR DEEDS THAT WILL ALWAYS TELL THE REST OF THE WORLD YOUR INTENTION(S)!!!

Freddie Nov 12, 2017 11:53 AM Permalink

Clown show in robes.  I would love to see Hezbollah rolling up to Riyahd.  LOL!  Saudis are coward fu*ks.  Gold plated worthless Dindus. Listen to any speeches:Mostly Sane Side - Putin, Assad, Nasrallah or Iranian QIDs General SolemianiInsane Side - Saudis, Bibi and his red lines,McCain, Schumer-Weinstein, Losers in Zato, CrazyGen. Mark Milley, Hillary, the Neocon Bushes and Clintons plus teleprompter CIA puppet Obama.Bibi's terrorist and white phosphorus tieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ydPpQoMK7cPsycho US Army General Mark Milley going full Neo Con war monger.  Reminds me of Dr. Strangelove. This guy is an illiteratehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNNb7jj0jrY

samsara Nov 12, 2017 11:26 AM Permalink

"He wants to tackle the internal debate about him becoming the king and focus on consolidating his power, rather than doing that while being distracted by dissidents."

Sound familiar?

911bodysnatchers322 south40_dreams Nov 12, 2017 2:17 PM Permalink

The arrests weren't about thievery they are about renumeration. If you read a little bit more about this situation you'll understand that this 'stolen' money was siphoned away from both the Salman regime AND the underclass for decades and is now being returned to them via social programs. Yes, social programs. You heard it right. He's giving it back to the people. This does not make him a socialist, nor does it make him robin hood, because AGAIN that was THEIR MONEY To begin with

SO if you want to talk about theivery, talk about how the people who are under house arrest have been stealing from their own people for decades now, and who perpetrated 911 and who have been stealing people's money and then converting it into terrorism by using that money to fund ISIS, which is really another name not for terrorism but for thug mercenary enforcers who are going around the middle east stealing from everyone else and then funneling that back to the people paying them

It's a long con, it's a racket, it's gangsterism; and we know it's being run by intelligence agencies including the CIA. This is proven. If you don't believe then do your own research, but this will help: google Dilyana gaytandshiva bulgaria silk way airlines purple shovel syria weapons ISIS CIA

It will get you there. We have proof. But what we also have is a corrupted court system wherein the CIA has embedded their own people like Tanya Chutkan into it and they will NOT give a fair trial on this and they do everything they can to inhibit the people of the US from getting information that is public information--which means it belongs to THEM

And they've been dismissing, and protecting the bad guys here. They've been upholding illegal warrants, they've been denying interveners, they've been not holding people in contempt for taking the 5th or ignoring subpoenas, they've given immunity out like candy in order to protect the conspirators (which is not how immunity is supposed to work), they've been claiming state secrets for obvious felonies, murder, and other high crimes akin to misprision, sedition and treason,

But we'll win in the court of public opinion because what we've said is true

It's not theft. It's giving back to people who stole from you. that's just a fact

I think you and many others here in this thread, and in other similar thread are being brainwashed by MSM who want to frame this again as some anti-Saudi thing because they have a poor read of history and they don't basically understand this situaiton. This situation is about deposing of the ISIS aligned Saudis

How can that be a bad thing? Even for the MSM???!

So, all this time they are against ISIS until Saudi is, and then suddenly they are pro ISIS?

no think about it some more

If ISIS is CIA then the situation makes sense. They NEED ISIS in order to justify being over there, otherwise they're caught basically stealing resources from the middle easy and guilty of vast war crimes of wholesale murder for no reason

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911bodysnatchers322 Seriousguys Nov 12, 2017 2:07 PM Permalink

The Saudi diplomats that were arrested are the 911 supporters, those that have been supporting isis, which we (citizen / international journalists and white hat whistleblowers in intelligence) have proven now has direct ties to the CIA for funding through Bulgaria, supplied by weapons companies owned by McCain and Graham on senate foreign arms svcs committe and intelligence committees btw, and we know this from Dilyana Gaytandsheiva a journalist from Bulgaria who backtraced a discovered weapons cache in syria and discovered the silk way airline shipping manifests which essentially prove this is so

So I have no sympathy for Saudis who have been actively supporting the libera-faction CIA and their attempts at creating perennial war by continuing the bush2 era's pnac plan of topples and plunders (7th floor group aka foggy bottom aka state dep--Hillary, Obama, Mccain, Graham, McCabe, Comey, Mueller, Podesta a and b, etc, Petraeus, Kissinger, Bushes 1,2, Cheney) -- essentially they all did 911 and Salman was made to see the light by Trump and they came up with a new plan, which is to oust these suckers from the planet

I think the argument went like this: when they topple syria which they're close to doing, then they'll do lebannon, jordan, why do you think they'll stop there? They won't.

So then Salman saw the benefit in sovereignty, healthy boundaries and good relationships, even with and especially Israel

Turns out people want peace and you can make money and have peace at the same time. i know it's a difficult concept esp for the CIA but it really is true.

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Philanthropocalypse 911bodysnatchers322 Nov 12, 2017 6:30 PM Permalink

Perhaps you just answered the questions I posed to oncemore, above.Would you say the UAE sultans are in on this "ouster" progrom? And again, if the angle here, is to flush the 9-11 rats out into the light, how does the bellicose words towards Iran help bring about the "peace"? Is it simply necessary to burn Iran down, in order to ensure Isreael's safety, going forward? The old guard/ foggy bottom/ etc. groups benefit from war with Iran, right? So why foment that war? Unless you're saying that MbS is actually not fomenting, and is attempting to de-escalate what another faction is trying to escalate...?

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junction Seriousguys Nov 12, 2017 11:25 AM Permalink

No information yet on who is advising the crown prince on what to do.  The story mainstream news is peddling is that this crown prince, with no real experience in government, has become a master strategist on taking over the Kingdom. Tell me another.  I wonder if there is a Rothschild banker at his side.

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Philanthropocalypse oncemore Nov 12, 2017 6:42 PM Permalink

pics!... or it didn't happen.  seriously, what's the angle, here?  Modernization? or some regional power issue? Wouldn't MbZ and MbS, as "modernizers" or reformers, look with less hostility at Iran, et al?  I 'get' the sectarian squabble, but that's 'in the past'. Why work up a regional war, when you're trying to break the power of the old guard/wahabist groups? Would not such a war bring the old guard back into power?Thx

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lil dirtball Juggernaut x2 Nov 12, 2017 12:42 PM Permalink

> promising The Red Shield a bigger cut

Lol. Who's promising whom? The Rothchilds created and own the Saud's. They call the shots, including terms of compensation.

You really think the Rothchilds & Co. give a shit about gold plated Lamborghini's or who is the figurehead for the family? They have much, much bigger games to play. Running the entire world is serious business.

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serotonindumptruck Looney Nov 12, 2017 12:07 PM Permalink

You damn skippy they're in crisis, and they most definitely know it.KSA is currently practicing an extreme application of Machiavellian politics with these purges.The missile attack a week ago was clearly a False Flag, along with the kidnapping and coerced resignation of the Lebanese PM.These events are most definitely not coincidental or happenstance, and they are designed to focus attention away from KSA and against long-standing opponents.

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