The Unbearable Slowness Of Fourth Turnings, Part 1

Authored by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

“The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning 

This Fourth Turning was ignited suddenly in September 2008 as the housing bubble, created by the Federal Reserve and their criminal puppeteer owners on Wall Street, collapsed, revealing the greatest control fraud in world history. A crisis mood was catalyzed as the stock market dropped 50%, unemployment surged to highs not seen since 1981, foreclosures exploded, and captured politicians bailed out the criminal bankers with the tax dollars of the victims.

The mood of the country darkened immediately as average Americans flooded their congressmen’s websites and phone lines with a demand not to bailout the felonious Wall Street banks with $700 billion of TARP. But they ignored their supposed constituents and revealed who they are truly beholden to.

Trust in the political and financial system disintegrated and has further deteriorated as the ruling elite continue to loot and pillage as if the 2008/2009 global financial meltdown never happened. From the perspective of the archaic social order there is no longer a crisis. The recovery narrative, flogged ceaselessly by the crooked establishment and their propaganda fake news corporate media mouthpieces, has convinced millions of willfully ignorant Americans progress is occurring.

Could they be right? Is the Crisis over? Has this Fourth Turning been managed to a successful conclusion by central bankers issuing tens of trillions in debt, politicians spending tens of trillions supplied by taxpayers, bankers rigging financial markets, and consumers leveraging up to maintain their lifestyles? Has the exiting corrupt social order successfully retained their power, control and influence over the masses by manipulating the levers of society and fending off their demise? Have they already won?

This Fourth Turning just passed its ninth anniversary. The Civil War Fourth Turning lasted only five years, but that was because it was accelerated, with an enormous amount of bloodshed crammed into a short time frame. The American Revolution Crisis lasted twenty one years. The Great Depression/World War II Crisis lasted seventeen years. All three prior American Fourth Turnings ended with an all-out decisive war, with clear victors and vanquished.

Based on historical precedent, this Fourth Turning shouldn’t reach its resolution until the mid-2020’s, with a major global conflict on the near term horizon. Those who understand that something wicked this way comes are frustrated by the apparent slowness of the progression. They shouldn’t be too anxious for an acceleration.

Since Strauss & Howe didn’t formulate their generational theory until 1997, this is the first Fourth Turning in which some people understand the dynamics driving the Crisis. Does knowledge about a cycle change the underlying forces propelling history? Has the establishment oligarchy co-opted the crisis mood of the country to avoid its own demise? Or, is this Fourth Turning just proceeding according to the standard morphology along its two decade long test of survival?

I honestly don’t know. This is my first and only Fourth Turning. What I do know is the Crisis began in the time frame predicted by Strauss & Howe. The catalyst was the 2008 financial meltdown created by Wall Street and the Federal Reserve, just as they had done in 1929 to catalyze the previous Fourth Turning. Strauss and Howe documented the four stages of a Fourth Turning.

  • A Crisis era begins with a catalyst – a startling event (or sequence of events) that produces a sudden shift in mood.
  • Once catalyzed, a society achieves a regeneracy – a new counterentropy that reunifies and reenergizes civic life.
  • The regenerated society propels toward a climax – a crucial moment that confirms the death of the old order and birth of the new.
  • The climax culminates in a resolution – a triumphant or tragic conclusion that separates the winners from losers, resolves the big public questions, and establishes the new order.

The 2008 global financial meltdown most certainly produced a sudden shift in mood. Average working class Americans saw their retirement savings obliterated for the second time in the space of eight years. Millions lost their jobs and got thrown out of their homes by the Wall Street bankers who perpetrated the greatest financial fraud in world history. The American citizens, who overwhelmingly disapproved of TARP, were disregarded as captured corrupt congressmen handed $700 billion of taxpayer funds to the Wall Street criminals.

The darker shift in mood produced the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wall Street movement. Both movements were co-opted by the establishment and effectively extinguished as change agents. Over the next seven years a massive debt produced bubble has been blown in stock, bond and real estate markets to benefit only those in the upper echelon of wealth. Wall Street is winning in a blowout over Main Street.

As 2015 morphed into the historic year of vitriol, hate, fake news, Russians, pussy grabbing, and an all-out establishment effort to discredit and defeat Donald Trump – 2016 saw battle lines drawn and combatants armed. The oligarchs used every propaganda trick in their bag. They used their vast limitless wealth to insure the election of their hand-picked candidate – Hillary Clinton. Black Lives Matter terrorists slaughtered policemen in cold blood. Social justice warriors were triggered on campuses across the land, retreating to safe spaces with crayons and coloring books.

Antifa fascists rioted, beat Trump supporters and attempted to shutdown free speech at every opportunity. Violent clashes, provoked by leftists, roiled the country and hardened the resolve of normal people in flyover America. The fake news corporate media produced fake polls showing an overwhelming victory for Clinton. The ruling elite underestimated the anger among the silent majority. Trump won an unlikely victory.

The basket of deplorables and millions of other disillusioned regular people chose the Grey Champion of this Fourth Turning on November 8, 2016. It was possibly the biggest upset in presidential history. The long awaited regeneracy had arrived. Just as the election of FDR marked the regeneracy of the last Fourth Turning, the election of Donald Trump marks the regeneracy moment of this Crisis.

His election has energized the country in positive and negative ways. He has unified factions for and against his agenda. His election has revealed an ingrained establishment (aka swamp creatures) inhabited by politicians of both parties who are intent on sabotaging his presidency. The first ten months of his presidency has been a tumultuous clash between an entrenched establishment and a tweeting, insulting, volatile, unpredictable, rude outsider real estate mogul from NYC.

The mood of the country has clearly darkened as 2017 has progressed. There is no middle ground or compromise. The tension between the two Americas rises with each mass shooting, Russian collusion revelation, exposure of media bias, proof of Hollywood degradation, judicial overreach, Soros funded staged protests, Donna Brazile tell all book and censorship actions by Twitter, Facebook, and other left wing slanted media outlets.

Only 24% of Americans think the country is headed in the right direction, and they are right. With a $20 trillion national debt, $200 trillion of unfunded welfare liabilities, pension plans underfunded by hundreds of billions, rampant governmental corruption, blatant Wall Street criminality, undeclared wars being waged across the globe, and a feeble minded corporate propaganda media spewing fake news, the nation has already hit the iceberg and the ship is going down.

The level of divisiveness and anger in this country grows exponentially, with the flames being fanned by the corporate media intent on creating a civil war. Battle lines are being drawn between Republicans and Democrats; the establishment GOP and the Steve Bannon alt-right disciples; far left Sanders Democrats and Clinton partisans; BLM terrorists and police; Soros funded Antifa scum and free speech conservatives; SJW’s and normal people; elites and deplorables; whites and blacks; liberals and conservatives; Wall Street and Main Street; Hollywood deviants and people with morals; Muslims and infidels; those who are awake and those who are ignorant; gun owners and gun confiscators; surveillance state and citizens being surveilled; young and old; haves and have nots; workers and parasites; government union workers and taxpayers; left wing academia and those with common sense; arrogant hubristic oligarchs and humble hard working Americans.

If you can’t comprehend the sense of foreboding engulfing the nation and the globe, you aren’t paying attention. Despite a global recovery narrative and record high stock markets supercharged by irresponsible debasing schemes implemented by captured central bankers, the world is hurtling relentlessly toward conflict, war and bloodshed. Every previous American Fourth Turning saw an upwards ratchet in violence, death and technological killing devices. This Fourth Turning will see a continuation of this trend. Fourth Turning wars are always decisive, with clear winners and losers.

The Revolutionary War erupted two years after the Boston Tea Party catalyst and lasted for eight years. The Civil War swept the country into conflict shortly after Lincoln’s election. The Second World War didn’t encroach on the lives of Americans until 12 years after the 1929 Great Crash. Each Crisis will have its own dynamics, pace, and timing, based upon specific events, leadership decisions, and generational reactions to the incidents and episodes driving the crisis. We are in year nine of this Fourth Turning and a looming bloody conflict is just over the horizon, but the vast majority of the American populace is unprepared and unaware for such a trial by fire.

The 2008 volcanic eruption has continued to flow along the channels of distress impacting nations across the globe. Yeoman efforts by the Deep State to keep the molten flow within controlled channels are failing, with the eruption about to burst free and cause global havoc on a grand scale, as predicted by Strauss & Howe.

“Imagine some national (and probably global) volcanic eruption, initially flowing along channels of distress that were created during the Unraveling era and further widened by the catalyst. Trying to foresee where the eruption will go once it bursts free of the channels is like trying to predict the exact fault line of an earthquake. All you know in advance is something about the molten ingredients of the climax, which could include the following:

  • Economic distress, with public debt in default, entitlement trust funds in bankruptcy, mounting poverty and unemployment, trade wars, collapsing financial markets, and hyperinflation (or deflation)
  • Social distress, with violence fueled by class, race, nativism, or religion and abetted by armed gangs, underground militias, and mercenaries hired by walled communities
  • Political distress, with institutional collapse, open tax revolts, one-party hegemony, major constitutional change, secessionism, authoritarianism, and altered national borders
  • Military distress, with war against terrorists or foreign regimes equipped with weapons of mass destruction” 

 The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

The American Revolution military conflict was with an external enemy. The Civil War was an internal conflict between Americans. World War II was again an external conflict. Will the coming conflict be domestic, foreign or both? Every Fourth Turning has internal and external struggles and skirmishes. Loyalists battled patriots during the American Revolution. Both sides attempted to seek European support during the Civil War.

A resolute opposition despised FDR and even sought to organize a military coup to seize power of the government. This Fourth Turning is progressing along a dual path of internal and external clashes destined to define the events which will propel the world towards a climax and resolution of this fourth crisis period in U.S. history.

The apparent slowness of this Fourth Turning is not unusual and the rise in the stock market in the midst of the crisis does not alleviate the dire circumstances of the crisis. From its low in 1932 the stock market rose by over 400% by 1937, in the midst of the Great Depression, before another 45% plunge. The current Fed financed stock market rally has driven stocks up about 400% from the 2009 lows. Stock markets do not define when a crisis has ended for the majority of Americans because so few people own a significant amount of stock.

The average American suffered economic hardship throughout the 1930s, just as average Americans have continued to suffer economic hardship since 2008. As Americans dealt with privation and poverty in the late 1930s the coming global conflict was brewing. Animosities, prejudices and resentments, exacerbated by economic turmoil, stirred militaristic ambitions of hubristic rulers in Europe and Asia. The parallels with the current international dynamic are eerie. The exact timing of the chaotic dangerous portion of this Fourth Turning is uncertain, but it can’t be escaped.

“Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

In Part 2 of this article I will examine the devolving global environment and the implications on markets and the course of this Fourth Turning.


haruspicio Nov 15, 2017 5:20 AM Permalink

Black Lives Matter terrorists slaughtered policemen in cold blood.  A stupefying inversion of fact. The thug cops doing the slaughtering. Come on tell many blacks shot dead vs how many cops?

flacorps haruspicio Nov 15, 2017 4:14 PM Permalink

Despite the lopsidedness of the numbers, it's not an inversion. The cops killed were taken by surprise in a calculating manner.

The african-American citizens killed were in situations where cops felt threatened and the citizen was either unwilling or unable to show they weren't a threat. Perhaps rhe cops were unreasonable, perhaps the threat was illusory, but the point is that cops setting out to kill are vanishingly rare.

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William Dorritt Nov 14, 2017 11:02 PM Permalink

Problem is debt incurred at the behest of the Banking and Oligarch Class.The debt is based on the Fraud that we have representative Govt, clearly we don't.Simple, refuse to pay it, knock down loans by Judgement, seek restitution for the fraud. 

allthegoodname… William Dorritt Nov 16, 2017 1:16 PM Permalink

Do whatever you think you can do, nothing you can do can ever matter, at least not in a Legal sense.  The Politicians and Judges, therefore the LAW, is owned by the Banker King, he and he alone makes all the rules, designs all the laws.  Better that you instead of playing Lawyer in the Courts, Courts backed by the Police and Military, Courts owned by the Rothschild Criminal Cartel, better that we all cry out on every venue we can: Rothschild, have mercy on us... 

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ZeroLounger Nov 14, 2017 9:49 PM Permalink

"DYSTOPIAN MYSANTHROPE"Dystopian:nounnoun: dystopia; plural noun: dystopias

  1. an imagined place or state in which everything is unpleasant or bad, typically a totalitarian or environmentally degraded one.   

Misanthrope: a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society. Had to put down my other Black Lab yesterday.  You know what is sad?  12 trips around the sun, gone.  What's worse, I had to 'kill' her. Have her put down, since I am hardly capable of putting a bullet in my pet's head.Other people, on the other hand, seem to have far less reservations.  How can anyone put a needle in a dog, and cause it to die? The fact is, Humans do nothing but kill.  They kill their pets (understandable, to a point) when they age.  But, they kill cows, and chickens and pigs and fish, in order to EAT. If we don't eat, we don't live.  Furthermore, Humans kill each other.  Black on black, muslim vs kafir, sjw vs right-winger, Hutu vs Tutsi, it doesn't matter.  KILL, KILL, KILL.All for what?  70 or 80 trips around the sun, we join the same fate as everything else.  Dead, gone, forgotten. The cold wind blows outside tonight, life goes on around me, yet it's all so futile.  We spend our time cursing our neighbors, chasing money, suffering from loss of loved ones, suffering hunger, suffering loneliness, SUFFERING.And then the eternal dirt nap.  Can someone please explain to me, how does any of this make any sense? Everyone knows the fate of the Earth, the fate of mankind. Everyone knows where it's headed.  Yet we soldier on?  It's getting really hard for me to see any purpose in life. Maybe it's not really worth living.

redmudhooch Nov 14, 2017 9:46 PM Permalink

How will we win this war if the enemy is considered our ally? The Bolsheviks are here in America, running our "government"Damn Hitler was right, so was General Patton..General Patton Discovered The Truth can only wish that Patton would have known then what many of us know now about the dangers of Jewish Bolshevik communists, but Patton quickly caught on that something was a miss when the war ended. 

stiler Nov 14, 2017 7:55 PM Permalink

The Fourth Turning reminds me of something similar in England in the 1600s called the Fifth Monarchy. Fifth Monarchists believed that their current govt was Daniel's fourth empire, the revived Roman Empire and they wanted to bring in the Fifth, or Millennial Kingdom. Some believed that the king, Charles I was the Antichrist, being influenced by the Pope and this is why he was beheaded. But does God need help establishing His Kingdom on earth? The fervor subsided with the establishment of Charles II and all the Fifth Monarchists had to go into hiding and publish their tracts in secret. Are we in the end days or is this only going to be a reset this Fourth Turning of the worm? Well, for one thing they wrote back then that they hoped, prayed & worked to see Israel brought back to the land and today after the Jews fourth turning of the Holocaust, they are there. Israel is the timepiece of world history. The Christian worldview [is Jewish and] has a beginning, middle and ending.

stiler stiler Nov 14, 2017 8:23 PM Permalink

4 world empires of significance to God and therefore Israel: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome.The fourth world empire,the non-descript Beast of terror-- in five stages:1. unified Roman Empire2. east-west balance of power3. one world govt4. 10 region world gov5. The "Antichrist"(from Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Footsteps of the Messiah)

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Apocalypse Wow Nov 14, 2017 7:33 PM Permalink

Quantum mechanics is not separate from life.  It is well known in QM when something is observed, then it changes, or changes direction or changes time, etc.Someone sees this 4th turning...and yes the future is then all changed in someway always doing its damnest to throw off predictors.Best stick with good intuition...if you are lucky enough to access it!

gilhgvc Nov 14, 2017 6:46 PM Permalink

there are no heros...only lesser scum. see, we all operate off the hero, morals and honor code...THAT IS DEAD. all you can do is try your best not to let these bastards take you out before your time. every damn one of them from business to govt to charity are sick bastards ony concerned with making a buck and getting thier rocks matter how twisted they have to be to accomplish either

Seasmoke Nov 14, 2017 6:21 PM Permalink

Yes. I admit when I woke up in 2009 and prepared thru 2013. I thought the collapse would happen the very next day. After all, I was here and I was ready. I was going to help everyone around me wake up too. Didn't happen. Got pissed. Refused to talk to anyone about it any more. Waste of breath. But now I understand. Patience is a virtue. It will collapse. That's why in still here even though that damn timeline for all of us gets shorter. 

Clock Crasher Nov 14, 2017 5:28 PM Permalink

Catalyst - 1971Regeneracy - see wealth gap Climax - 2008 harvesting the wealth of nationsResolution - look around youSo.. I only got half way through the article and jumped down to the comments and it looks like we are all on the same page.  People are tired.  Sick and tired of the long inexhaustable lines of Bix Wiers and Web Nots.  Made preperations and nothing happened.  Then time passed and nothing happened and continued making preperations.  And then even more of nothing happened.  Late comers to those who followed the doom sayers to their finational ruin are reading the same exact articles many many years later.  Many thousands of days later.  I posted yesterday that the silver to gold ratio was above 70 for 1,140 days and counting.  That wasn't a joke.  I pulled up my chart and put the cursor over the first bar to break 70 looked at the time stamp and did the math.  Gold struggles, and I mean struggle, not to crash and implode every day.  Zero responsibility has been born on the shoulders of the deep state.  Oh but Q-Anon is writing every day about how that will be flipped upside down on its head just tomorrow in fact.  And tomorrow never comes.  If you are new to this web site my recommendation is to seriously consider everything you read and listen to because there is a lot of Soma being delt out there.  Are my writings a perfect indication of maximum capitulation?  I don't know.  I just know that all these predictions, prophecies and projections have been an unbroken chain of complete inacurracy and apparent fraud.  Just my .02If there was such a thing as a 21st century 4th turning its is long over and concluded. The New World Order is here to stay.  Your living in it right now.  The only thing you could do about it was vote Trump.  And like Bitcoin who the fuck knows if he's for real or a complete scam.  

smacker Clock Crasher Nov 14, 2017 6:51 PM Permalink

Seems to me that events described as The Fourth Turning already begun 2008 as the article says but will go hot when a tipping point is reached. That could be further degradation of the lives of the masses by the criminal .gov and banksters (Crash 2) and/or it could be a major military conflict such as we see brewing up in the Middle East and North Korea or even Russia/China, any one of which could easily go global and engulf many Western nations. Or it could be an attempt at gun confiscation a-la The Turner Diaries or another inside job major terror attack.What we know is that these major earth-shifting changes almost always result in war to clear the air and reset things.Right now, we're waiting and watching for the trigger point. Predicting the timing of events is usually the most difficult part.[fwiw, when Crash 1 happened in 2008 I looked around and I'm on record predicting that it would take a generation to work thru, such were the levels of sovereign/corporate/private debt. Nothing has changed except that sovereign debt levels have gotten even higher and the derivatives problem has not been resolved. A major reset is therefore the only solution to that and that will happen if war breaks out and that will trigger the domestic Fourth Turning]...just my 2 cents 

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Clock Crasher smacker Nov 14, 2017 8:24 PM Permalink

If there was a turning point it was 9/11.   2008 is in 2nd place.  As long as America is making Trillions in Afghani heroin profits we can prevent a financial rounds of currency devaluation (resets) far off into the future.  Also, derivatives have not increased too much since 2008.  They have fallen from a peak a few years ago.  

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Clock Crasher indaknow Nov 14, 2017 8:15 PM Permalink

I am just as fascinated.  However I was watching a youtube summary of Q-Anon and the channel broadcaster called his dog half way thru the 55 minute video "Hey, stop chewing your ass."  Then I reconsidered the credibility of it all. Hell I enjoy coming on here and writing level 11 doom porn science fiction just for fun.  If we get to 1 year inauguration and nothing happens I think we will be able to put in the books as a dud.  

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Peak Finance Clock Crasher Nov 14, 2017 5:40 PM Permalink

This:Made preperations and nothing happened.  Then time passed and nothing happened and continued making preperations.  And then even more of nothing happened.Dude, really?Please define "Nothing Happened"Because literally millions of people have had their lives completely crushed since 2008, lost jobs, lost homes, can't afford healthcare, crime-filled neighborhoods, fucking killing themselves with drugs, I mean the collapse is real and I don't see how you CAN'T see it from where you are sitting.Maybe a theory is (I think) a lot of the shit is "hidden" in the "urban" areas and the nicer suburbs, so much money flows into these areas you can't really see the collapse, but man come to the ex-burbs or rural areas and it's bad.  

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Mena Arkansas Peak Finance Nov 14, 2017 6:05 PM Permalink

Because literally millions of people have had their lives completely crushed since 2008, lost jobs, lost homes, can't afford healthcare, crime-filled neighborhoods, fucking killing themselves with drugs, I mean the collapse is real and I don't see how you CAN'T see it from where you are sitting.If you were on the right side of the fence like the top 10% - kept a highly-paid job, retired with a state pension, had stocks and hung on to your house - life probably has never been better.If you lost your job and house and cashed in your savings just to survive in 2008-2010 and had to settle for working a shitty job with shitty pay and no benefits things have probably never been worse.Having been on the losing side of this equation, I can say the top 10% could care less and are just happy it wasn't them. They really wish you would just shut up because it's a real buzzkill when they just want to celebrate their new found riches courtesy of the fed.In addition, they are happy to point out it must all be your fault and all their new found riches just validates that they are better than you.After awhile, you won't know these people as you won't have anything left in common. Family included.

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Clock Crasher Peak Finance Nov 14, 2017 6:00 PM Permalink

Nothing Happened No crash in the stock marketNo explosion in Gold/SilverNo prosecution for TreasonNo prosecution for FraudNo general awakening at a grass roots levelNo banking reformationNo consensus No big awakening by John Q PublicEDIT:  I'm in NYC so you could be correct in that I can't see it from where I am standing.  We do have drug overdose here and I have seen it from a degree of seperation.  People I know get by.  They have almost no disposable income despite being highly trained professionals.  The only consequence of the one person I knew who got forclosed on when housing busted was that he's been living in a beautiful home rent free for something like 6 years because the bank botched the paper work or sold it.  But its situation normal here.  Everyone transacting flawlessly at the commercial banks, upgrading to the new Iphone etc etc.  Not discounting what your saying.  We are all seperated by location in a big big way.  

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Peak Finance Clock Crasher Nov 14, 2017 6:09 PM Permalink

Yes, I agree, in the cities, a lot of this is just hidden from view, lots of money pour into cities, etc. The awakening is happening. I am confident of this and see the results each day. I think some crazy number of people, like 1 million, just canceled cable in the last quarter.  You see the whole NFL thing, this is a big deal, and I think it has LESS to do with patriotism and more to do with people sick of the brainwashing on TV. "I just want to watch NFL and don't want to be preached too" is the big reason and a better reason than stupid patriotism. This sexual harassment thing is also huge, the "modern-day clergy", our celebrities, and all full of shit rapists after beating us down over women's rights for 40 years. People are all seeing through the farce.   Prosecution takes some time, but I am fairly confident something good will happen here. I think Trump delayed the 4th turning by 4 years. If he fails it's going to get bloody, and I am REALLY confident about that.   

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HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 Clock Crasher Nov 14, 2017 7:39 PM Permalink

Better than my record. Although my ex-brother-in-law inherited a stash of silver coins. Apparently bags of them. My sister thought it was a stupid way to invest your money (not that she has ever had any). I think it was brilliant. My sister remains clueless but my former brother in law? Oh, he gets it because his father was a silver hoarder. Apparently he had bags of old 90% silver coins and Morgan's. Smart man.

The leftist ideology has destroyed my family. Nothing I can do at this point.

I plan on living in a Class C RV and going mobile.

As for blood? Oh yes. There will be rivers of blood. Reign of Terror 2.0.

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Clock Crasher HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 Nov 14, 2017 8:10 PM Permalink

I want to go off grid in the Andes Mountains somewhere in South America.  Anything below 5,000 feet will do.  I find myself subscribing to "Mobile RV Living" Youtube channels.  I also like duration distance hiking in the summer.  Longest hike I've been on is 300 miles.  All you need when hiking is some money for food, thats if the hiker boxes are empty.  

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rf80412 Nov 14, 2017 5:22 PM Permalink

Strauss & Howe's original hypothesis assumes that a Crisis is the end result of a long process of moral and instutitional decay from a High: a process started by an Awakening - which S&H seem to believe simply appears out of nowhere, or else is something artificial that its made to happen - and consummated by an Unraveling.  This makes perfect sense to many conservatives and traditionalists, but who are then left explaining how a High reappears afterwards: implicitly, they assume that after the blasphemous revolution exhausts itself or exposes itself as corrupt and perverse, a conservative/traditionalist human default reasserts itself.I often wonder about an alternative arrangement of the stages.  Consider instead if a Crisis is a historical moment that the High culture is simply incapable of responding constructively to - no matter what powers are available to it - implicitly because the only way it can respond constructively is to change, which is unnacceptable.  TPTB in all their glory stumble and the scrupulous application of their ideals fails conspicuously, and nobody thinks of them the same way again.  The Awakening is a response to this loss of credibility, and the Unraveling is misnamed, for it is as much the creation of something new, which results in a new High.

Peak Finance Nov 14, 2017 5:20 PM Permalink

I can't believe the hate on the Fourth TurningIt's not the fucking Seldon plan, it's just a VERY GOOD general guideline that provides a framework for understanding history. Many thinkers in the past realized that "history repeats" but never built a theoretical framework around that concept to help understand why.Plus, we are talking about human behavior here, specifically the behavior of masses of people, so it is not an exact science nor is it meant to be. 

Alananda Nov 14, 2017 5:15 PM Permalink

Between Jim Quinn's coat-tailing on a book not unlike the "Mega-Trend States" guru a couple of decades ago and SHTF-types hyping the latest sign and|or symptom of CHAOS from which (((some))) promise ORDER for (((some))), I have moments of peace retreating to domains offering gainful self-employment, growing my own food free from pesticides and GMOs, learning to apply those two "great", self-evident commandments.  Turn, Turn, Turn. 

indaknow Nov 14, 2017 5:10 PM Permalink

Not one swamp creature in jail and Americans still transfixed to the idiot tube. Fourth turning? Pft. Who's got time for that shit when we can't even figure out how many genders exist.The citizens of the world would literally rather die than stand up for what is right. That's the truth. The horrible truth, and it's sickening and pathetic.Yes, I'm in a especially negative mood these days. Nothing is new under the sun.

Clock Crasher indaknow Nov 14, 2017 5:38 PM Permalink

+10Reading this type of material for years made sense at face value, subconscious assumptions about how the future, your future, would unfold (very slowly) over time took root.  Then after a very long time you realized you were either misled, foolish or both.  You would figure that the authors would have the decency to publish an apology.  Instead you watch them take your unsuspecting neighbor by the hand and lead them down the same road to ruin. 

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