Catalan Independence Drive Fizzles: Poll Shows Only 24% Want Split From Spain

The Catalan push for independence appears to be fizzling at the grass roots level, at least according to the latest poll published by El Pais newspaper on Monday, which found that not even a quarter of Catalans want to continue with the push to claim independence from Spain in the wake of Dec. 21 regional elections.

Just 24% of those polled by Metroscopia said they would like to continue with the independence process after the elections, whereas 71% said they would prefer politicians to find an agreement based on Catalonia staying part of Spain. The telephone poll surveyed 1,800 Catalans between Nov. 20 and Nov. 22. Should pro-independence enthusiasm be waning, pro-independence parties may fail to retain an absolute majority of seats in the Catalan parliament in next month's election, the first part of the poll published on Sunday showed.

While in the aftermath of Brexit and Trump one should take all polling with a grain of salt, especially those commissioned by anti-separatist outlets, the poll suggests that there has been a slowdown in the independence fervor following the Catalan independence referendum on Oct. 1, which plunged Spain into its worst political crisis in decades. The crisis reportedly "eased" after the sacking of the secessionist Catalan authorities by the Madrid government elicited little public resistance. Still, as Reuters notes, "uncertainty could return if the pro-independence camp wins in the Dec. 21 vote."

Furthermore, as Reuters also notes, the survey's margin of error at 2.4% and the fact support was evenly split between the two sides makes reading conclusions from polls difficult.

Still, failure to capture a majority in the regional parliament would be a heavy blow for Catalan separatists who have billed the election as a plebiscite on Madrid's decision to impose direct rule on the region last month. The Oct. referendum produced a large majority in favor of independence, but turnout was only 43% because many who opposed the breakaway did not vote.

Catalan separatist parties are forecast to win 46 percent of the vote, down slightly from 47.7 percent in a previous election in 2015. Unionist parties combined would account for another 46 percent of votes, up from less than 40 percent last time, according to the Metroscopia poll.

According to Reuters, turnout for the election, which former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont said on Saturday would be the most important in the region's history, is predicted to reach a record 80%.

Comments

greenspanator peddling-fiction Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:29 Permalink

Well, at last ZH sets feet on the ground on this topic.This was never about identity, the independentist movement has always been a radical left movement and, as such, bent on destroying tradition, represented by Spain, and culminating in destroying Catalan identity by promoting globalism (remember the picture of a Somali family with the sign "different origins, same goal").The bad part is that they hold the other side of the rope too. I fear that their true goal, or the second most wanted goal at least, is to force a modification of the Spanish constitution to include federalism, more corruption and more globalism (especially feminism and immigrationism, two topics actively promoted by the media in Spain). By giving more to a minority of corrupt politicians (Spanish centralists in this case), the globalist could secure the implementation of the globalist agenda.

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God Emperor apadictionary Mon, 11/27/2017 - 11:03 Permalink

@davidduke2000 and peddling-fiction:ElPais is LEFTIST news rag. If they printed that poll, I trust their numbers more than those % given by the self-helping catalans. And BTW, "YES" won by 90% of the 45%-46% of the catalan voters that actually went to vote. With all the IT infrastructure down and police blocking buildings, seizing everything, that 45% of voters seems inflated A LOT by the catalans. Therefore a 90% applied to the real percent of people that voted would give a result around 25%.That's how Catalan voted, by the book, STALIN's playbook:"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."There you have it. 

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KimAsa strannick Mon, 11/27/2017 - 11:23 Permalink

Cabbage Cunt lost the election at 10:30am on Sept 11, 2016 outside the 911 memorial museum when she coughed up a lung and fainted and dislodged her catheter clip for the world to enjoy on continuous loop (it never gets old). And it couldn’t have happened to a more heinous, nasty hideous, seditious, traitorous woman. Thank the lord for Poles and smart phone video recording capabilities.

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Herd Redirecti… God Emperor Mon, 11/27/2017 - 12:21 Permalink

Any time you see these 'independence movements' you have to give serious thought to who is REALLY behind it.  Because yes, Catalonia being independent is great.  But if they are real eager to sign up for the EU, then is independence really their goal?  Or just direct rule by a different master?Remember they also had the "Tourists go home.  Refugees welcome" graffiti!Look at the 'independent' nation of Jordan, which is actually a total puppet of Israel and House of Saud. That is also what the plan is for 'independent' Kurdistan.  Cannibalize a little from Iraq, Syria and Turkey, and then create a puppet state.   Divide and conquer. When Julius Caesar conquered France, remember, he conceived of it as being divided into three parts, which he isolated and conquered one by one. He drove through the middle, to ensure the center would be unable to assist the north, the south unable to assist the north (once central France was conquered)

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ForWhomTheTollBuilds Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:27 Permalink

This Spain story reminds me of Brexit, Reminds me of Edna Kenny in Ireland, reminds me of Trump. People are completely fed up and they want big changes, but the best candidates available are invariably turds.   The man who declared Catalonia's independance immediately took it back and then sipped a latte while waiting for his own fucking arrest. Its a long way to go until we hit bottom, all over the world folks.

supermaxedout Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:28 Permalink

It did not expect this to be different. The Catalans are not stupid. They might want to have independence from Madrid but they want to be fixed within Euroland. This is were their money comes from. Catalan economy needs a stable Europe to flourish, thats why they are willing to swallow the Madrid pill. But their fight was not for nothing. This is now the time to get something back from Madrid in exchange for the vote to stay with Spain.

RedDwarf Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:38 Permalink

So either:1.  The old polls were a total lie and there never was a majority independence movement.2.  The new polls are a total lie.3.  Both polls were correct and the Catalan's are pussies who backed down.

Dragon HAwk Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:44 Permalink

If Voting  changed anything, they wouldn't let  us do it..Freedom isn't free, and you don't get it by being lazy. then again they wanted to stay in the Euro, so hey why Bother.

falak pema Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:48 Permalink

Desperately calling Farage of Brexit, Bannon- the loose cannon of "blood and soil" Breitbartian "separate the white from the mixed blooded", spooky, Soros-Sauron's middle kingdom's witch's brew of toxic chicken entrails, heightened with the tabasco flavoured Afd cacaphony of "keep the original  unwashed Caucasians from cocufying our Germanic race" doxa-- in a Europe with an age pyramid problem that no alleged witch nor bitch in Berlin can solve !What happened to the Swastika's iconic expression of the Aryan Caucasian race?Was that FAKE NEWWWWS too from CNN ?With the Kochs buying Time-Warner that will soon change-- to Foxhunting rampage in the name of the Duck dynasty !Tally Ho ! And Like for Brexit, the Duck's message remains : you are awl on your own !Some black swan, which was supposed to sign the demise of EU solidarity, now taking a nose dive.

In Ze No Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:51 Permalink

My Chemical Romance Na Na Na Na Na Na Na"Everybody wants to change the world""Everybody wants to change the world but no one, no one wants to die".

Snaffew Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:58 Permalink

and yet another independance event bites the dust...it turns out that people love their fiat governments and they don't want to work after all.

SaulRosenberg Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:58 Permalink

This is good...very good news. Let this be a lesson that people will ALWAYS choose to remain in a system where their basic needs are met by the bigger state.Socialismo 1Freedom 0Independence BTFO!

SaulRosenberg Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:58 Permalink

This is good...very good news. Let this be a lesson that people will ALWAYS choose to remain in a system where their basic needs are met by the bigger state.Socialismo 1Freedom 0Independence BTFO!

RedBaron616 Mon, 11/27/2017 - 11:16 Permalink

Get over it, ZH readers. It's over. Move on. There's nothing to see here. Catalonia's leader was no George Washington. When the heat got hot, he got out of the kitchen. Coward. Just like all the other protesters. At the end of the day, nobody really cares that much. So cry for Catalonia, ZH Confederate wannabes.

BritBob Mon, 11/27/2017 - 11:25 Permalink

 Spain uses the same flawed territorial integrity excuse with Catalonia that it uses against Gibraltar to deny that the people have the right to self-determination. Google: ''Gibraltar – Territorial Integrity Academia'' (1 pg) for some interesting facts and to see why it didn't stop Kosovo from declaring independence. or use link: Gib – Territorial Integrity (1 page) https://www.academia.edu/29347730/Gibraltar_-Territorial_Integrity