Why Mueller Is REALLY Indicting Flynn

Mueller Versus Flynn

The mainstream narrative is that squeaky-clean special prosecutor Robert Mueller is going to indict Trump’s one-time foreign policy advisor Michael Flynn because Flynn is in the pocket of the Russians and the Turks.

But the truth might be totally different

After all, Flynn’s meeting with Russian diplomats was completely normal, according to a prominent U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union.

So why is Mueller really going after Flynn?

When Flynn was head of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency and afterwards, he blew the whistle on the U.S. and its allies willfully allowing Islamic terrorists to flourish in Syria.

That didn’t ingratiate him with the Deep State …

Then last November, Flynn ruffled more feathers by writing:

The primary bone of contention between the U.S. and Turkey is Fethullah Gülen, a shady Islamic mullah residing in Pennsylvania whom former President Clinton once called his “friend” in a well circulated video.

Gülen portrays himself as a moderate, but he is in fact a radical Islamist. He has publicly boasted about his “soldiers” waiting for his orders to do whatever he directs them to do.

 

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To professionals in the intelligence community, the stamp of terror is all over Mullah Gülen’s statements in the tradition of Qutb and al Bana. Gülen’s vast global network has all the right markings to fit the description of a dangerous sleeper terror network.

 

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To add insult to injury, American taxpayers are helping finance Gülen’s 160 charter schools in the United States. These schools have been granted more H1-B visas than Google. It is inconceivable that our visa officers have approved thousands of visas for English teachers whose English is incomprehensible. A CBS “60 Minutes” program documented a conversation with one such imported English teacher from Turkey. Several lawsuits, including some in Ohio and Texas, point to irregularities in the operation of these schools.

However, funding seems to be no problem for Gülen’s network. Hired attorneys work to keep the lucrative government source of income for Gülen and his network going. Influential charities such as Cosmos Foundation continue their support for Gülen’s charter schools.

 

Incidentally, Cosmos Foundation is a major donor to Clinton Foundation. No wonder Bill Clinton calls Mullah Gülen “his friend.” It is now no secret that Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton’s close aide and confidante, worked for 12 years as the associate editor for a journal published by the London-based Institute of Minority Muslim Affairs. This institute has promoted the thoughts of radical Muslim thinkers such as Qutb, al Bana and others.

 

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The forces of radical Islam derive their ideology from radical clerics like Gülen, who is running a scam. We should not provide him safe haven.

Now, Mueller is reportedly investigating Flynn specifically for his criticism of Gülen.

Who Is Gülen

So who is Gülen, really?

The Atlantic notes:

[Gülen’s organization] is rumored to have between 1 and 8 million adherents.

The Hill reported last year:

What lies underneath [Gülen’s] charter-school network, however, is a possible undercurrent of white-collar crime and corruption. Known in Turkey as the Fethullahist Terrorist Organization or FETÖ this growing network is being investigated by the FBI for everything from fraud and malpractice, to misuse of public funds. One spokeswoman for the bureau said that an investigation is ongoing and FBI agents carried out raids at 19 Gülen-affiliated charter schools in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio in 2014.

 

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Diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks demonstrate a concern by U.S. officials that these Turkish teachers and businesses “might be using the reputation of the school as a cover to get to the U.S.” These cables state that the H1B visa applications were “not convincing” and that Gülen’s more moderate message “cloaks a more sinister and radical agenda.”

 

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Receiving approximately $150 million a year in tax breaks and subsidies, government officials are increasingly concerned that taxpayer dollars are being used to fund a close-knit network of Turkish teachers and businesses using charter schools as a Trojan horse for embedding into the U.S. education system.

Private intelligence company Stratfor notes:

Gulen [said] that in order to reach the ideal Muslim society “every method and  path is acceptable [including] lying to people”.

Documents leaked by Wikileaks has shown that American officials have been worried Gülen could be targeting children across the U.S. for radicalization:

In 2005, one U.S. embassy worker expressed concern about the schools: “We have multiple reliable reports that the Gülenists use their school network (including dozens of schools in the U.S.) to cherry pick students they think are susceptible to being molded as proselytizers,” U.S. Embassy officials in Ankara said in a 2005 report. And we have steadily heard reports about how the schools indoctrinate boarding students,” they said.”

Vox notes:

Among other charges, critics allege that the schools were a scheme to replace US teachers with Turkish immigrants, who were then expected to transfer money back to Gülen organizations. This resulted in investigations from the FBI, Labor Department, and Education Department. An audit of Georgia Gülen charters found that they improperly awarded contracts to affiliated businesses, and in 2014 the FBI raided 19 Gülen-affiliated schools in Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana. A Gülen school in New Orleans lost its charter in 2011 after allegations of cheating and sexual misconduct involving kindergartners.

 

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Secular critics in Turkey have long attacked the Gülen movement as a stalking horse for more thoroughgoing Islamism.

 

In the 1980s, Turkish generals — who at the time were in control of the government following a military coup — accused Gülen of plotting a takeover to install an Islamic dictatorship. As Al-Monitor’s Murat Bilgincan explains, Gülen went on the run for about six years before being arrested.

 

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In 2000, the Turkish government, then led by secularist Prime Minister Bülent Ecevit, indicted Gülen on charges of attempting to undermine Turkish secularism — a core feature of the state since Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founded the Turkish Republic in 1922 — and trying to install a Islamic dictatorship.

 

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In other words, the Gülen movement was for many years a crucial ally of Erdo?an and the AKP — acting as a grassroots arm with significant funding that could support Erdo?an’s attempts to fight back secularists and, in the eyes of critics, suppress dissent.

A diplomatic cable leaked by WikiLeaks notes that Turkey’s chief Rabbi said about Gülen:

[There’s a] belief in parts of the U.S. government that he is a “radical Islamist” whose moderate message cloaks a more sinister and radical agenda

The Washington post reported in 2011:

A memoir by a top former Turkish intelligence official claims that a worldwide moderate Islamic movement based in Pennsylvania has been providing cover for the CIA since the mid-1990s.

 

The memoir, roughly rendered in English as “ess to Revolution and Near Anarchy,” by retired Turkish intelligence official Osman Nuri Gundes, says the religious-tolerance movement, led by an influential former Turkish imam by the name of Fethullah Gulen, has 600 schools and 4 million followers around the world.

 

In the 1990s, Gundes alleges, the movement “sheltered 130 CIA agents” at its schools in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan alone, according to a report on his memoir Wednesday by the Paris-based Intelligence Online newsletter.

(Gundes was chief of Turkish intelligence long before Turkey’s current dictator, Erdogan, came onto the scene, and doesn’t seem to have any connection with him.)

Interviews of Gülen’s former top assistants say that Gülen is running a cult, that he wants to rule Turkey and the Middle East, and that he won’t hesitate to use violence to make it happen:

Gülen is certainly supported by at least some former American intelligence and state department officials, at least in some capacity. After all, Gülen’s application for a Green Card to live in the U.S. was  supported by ex-CIA agent George Fidas, former U.S. ambassador to Turkey Morton Abramowitz, and former CIA Deputy Director Graham Fuller.   Another former U.S. ambassador to Turkey, Marc Grossman, receives $100,000 per month (that’s $1.2 million per year) from a Gülen company called the Ilhas Group.

The Turkish government has labeled Gülen and his followers as a terrorist network.    This is ironic, given that Gülen was instrumental in converting Turkey from a secular to Islamic government, and electing Turkey’s leader Erdogan. Until recently, Gülen was a very close ally of Turkish strongman Erdogan.

FBI Whistleblower Says Gülen Is a Terror Kingpin

Sibel Edmonds – a former FBI translator who has been deemed credible by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General, several senators (free subscription required), and a coalition of prominent conservative and liberal groups, who the ACLU described as “The most gagged person in the history of the United States of America”, and who famed Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg says possesses information “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers” – has for years tried to tell the truth about corruption related to Gülen:

In a series of interviews over the last couple of years, Edmonds has said that – when she worked for the FBI as a translator – she saw documents showing that:

  • Gülen is the leader of one of the world’s largest terror networks, with terrorist training centers throughout the Middle East and central Asia
  • He is a key player in false flag terrorism in Turkey and other areas
  • He was key in changing Turkey from a secular country to an Islamic country, and electing dictator Erdogan
  • He is involved in heroin and other drug networks, selling nuclear material on the black market, and money-laundering
  • Gülen has contributed large sums of money to the Clintons through the Clinton Foundation
  • Gülen’s handler in the U.S. is former long-time CIA officer – and current CIA contractor – Graham Fuller
  • When Mueller was the Director of the FBI, he was instrumental in covering up Gülen’s terrorist activities and spiking prosecution against Gülen
  • Mueller is now trying to throw Flynn in jail, to silence his efforts to expose Gülen

This video goes into some of these allegations.

Washington’s Blog asked Edmonds what documents she saw while at the FBI which implicated Gülen as a terrorist mastermind.  She responded:

Gülen’s FBI cases:

 

1- White Collar Crime Division: had to do with front/shell companies and NGOs used for money laundering and bribery (political contributions to various political action committees).

 

2- Terrorism & Criminal Divisions: US derived funds being transferred to international hubs for various terror cells (including Chechen groups), Gulen’s Pakistani-Arab-Turkish operatives in US involved in heroin smuggling into US, Gulen-affiliated Turkish businessmen with cash-only companies (Ex: Re-selling used clothes previously contributed to charity groups like GoodWill) in Chile and other S. American countries (as money-laundering ops), …

 

3- Counterintelligence Division (Washington DC Field Office): Espionage (State Department, DOJ, RAND Corporation),  Bribery and extortion of dozens of elected officials,  including Hastert, Jan Schakowsky, Bob Creamer, Jane Schmidt …

 

Gülen has pocketed strategically position police chiefs such as the one for Fairfax County (Where CIA HQ is located among with several dozens of top Intel & MIC contractors) …

In other words, Edmonds says that Gülen is a terror kingpin and drug smuggler who launders vast sums of money, and bribes U.S. officials and officials throughout the world … and Mueller is going after Flynn in order to protect Gülen and the corrupt politicians he’s in bed with.

Comments

BobEore Pernicious Gol… Mon, 11/27/2017 - 20:59 Permalink

The above quote indeed does "help"...

to muddy already murky waters... with EVEN MOAR factionalist fantasies - that there MUST BE a ............good guy... to be found beside EVERY bad guy,

so's Merikans can continue to root for some 'team' or other!

Yes. The Merikan exceptionalist way of seeing the world MUST BE KEPT INTACT - even if it means guys like GEORGE here have to drop all pretense to journalistic integrity in order to climb board the media circus train... like a trained bear!

Leeeesss see here: using our Merikan exceptionalist special powers of DEDUCTIVE REASONING (tm)... we can penetrate all this smoke n mirrors stuff by figuring out that ...

guys like Gulen LOGICALLY ONLY THROW THEIR SLUSH FUND $ at only one side of political whoredom. (for the cerebrally-challenged mongst us, here's a caption helper - GULEN PAYING CLINTON CRIME CREW logically cancels out the idea that he would send money the way of the competing 'right' crew of the fake news spectrum!

Case solved! Brilliant.

When Sibel was still on top of her game... some years back, BEFORE she was intimidated -like all whistleblowers end up being - into cancelling out all necessary and obvious reference to the hidden hand of talmudic control in this here story...

it was clear that all investigative roads led to the collusive coalition of "Jewish" Srael & "Muslim" Turkey - as a duplicitous duo whose agents in DC thru the 1990s bought up politicians, judges and other establishment whores... and used them to advance the joint cause of stealing technology, advancing neo-con sectarian agendas in the muddled east, peddling influence...

oh wait! Nuthin, as it turns out ... has changed a bit since then! Mike Flynn... author of a book declaring permanent war on 'islamic extremism' around the world - via a neocon strategy of turning the muddled east into a permawarzone ...

finds a much more lucrative sideline in the peddling of influence ON BEHALF OF TURKS AND SREAL... sitting down with the former to discuss how to subvert merikan justice systems in return for BIG REWARDS...

HIRING HIMSELF OUT TO THE SAME JIHADI CAUSE HE SPENT THE FIRST DECADE OF THIS NEW MILLENNIUM PRETENDING TO BE HEROICALLY OPPOSING...

AND suddenly the fake news mediaz have found themselves a new...

white knight.

Gulen dirty = Flynn clean. Got it. Tanks for clearing up the mystery George!

and now............ please retreat to your all powerful vote buttons bouys... in order to ONCE AGIN try to ward off the evil spirits of residual truthtellin!

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scrappy BobEore Tue, 11/28/2017 - 10:56 Permalink

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webmatex Pernicious Gol… Tue, 11/28/2017 - 07:48 Permalink

My spider sense tingled and OF COURSE! ALBANIA RULED BY GÜLEN AND SOROShttp://foreignpolicynews.org/2016/03/10/albania-ruled-gulen-soros/With all these resources there are purchased all the Gülenists that are spread within the ranks of Soros’s army throughout the capillaries of many sectors such as: politics, economic development, educational, cultural, political, military, religious, juridical, media, health and social services of Albania.Made for each other - in hell.

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Chupacabra-322 Mon, 11/27/2017 - 14:54 Permalink

Private Military Contractors are & have been the ones assisting the CIA arming, funding & training the I CIA SIS. Remember, the CIA / Deep State have been funding the Madrasah's / Wahabism programs with Saudi Arabia in Iraq, Syria, Lybia & Central Asia etc...

Former FBI translates Sibel Edmonds was gagged by the Bush Administration after 911. She’s was going to blow the whistle on the arming, funding, training, Madrasah’s etc...she was gagged for 10 years.

Know who gagged her?

Criminal Mueller from the Criminal FBI Crime Syndicate investigating the whole fake Russia narrative.

Published on Oct 24, 2017FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds exposes Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s conflict of interest in pursuing General Michael Flynn’s case due to his direct involvement as former FBI Director and his role in covering up and protecting Gulen Networks’ criminal operations within the United States, and demands that he steps down.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DvFCAIRkvWU&sns=tw

janus Chupacabra-322 Mon, 11/27/2017 - 18:09 Permalink

Recall also that Graham Fuller's daughter is married to the uncle of Tamerlain Tsarnaiev (boston bomber fame).I wonder what part of tagekstan tamerlain is roaming about these days -- pockets full of cash, new passport, the works.sometimes it pays to play the patsy...whatever the case, earnest patriotism will render you an impoverished pariah or incur federal indictments (even if you make it to Lt. General).  i hate to say it, ZHealots, but it's oh-so true: as an American, unless you are actively working to undermine your own country, you are officially an enemy of the state. it truly is bizarro world.  john mccain has received more saudi money than abdullah, worked FOR the n. vietnamese, bilked thousands of hardworking savers with mr. keating and is to this day feted/celebrated with such hubbub as to make audy murphy blush.  i get physically ill thinking about it all.drain the swamp.MAGA,janus

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BobEore janus Mon, 11/27/2017 - 21:32 Permalink

Oh the pathos!

\'sometimes it pays to play the patsy...whatever the case, earnest patriotism will render you an impoverished pariah or incur federal indictments (even if you make it to Lt. General)\'

Trust a mind-wiped zheeple to take things to the next comical level - when they were already way overthetop!

pOOr impoverished Mike Flynn! Recipient(via his "FLYNN GROUP")of a half million $ of jihadist slush funds to use his influence with the incoming merikan administration of one Donny C Drumpf...

our 'patriot' not only sold out his country for a mess of Turco-talmudist loot...

he worked with and for them on the plan to make a mockery of merikan judicial process - by spiriting former Turco-sraeli partner and bagman Gulen out of the country by err...

illegal rendition. Problem for TRUMPTARDIAN MAGGOTS who pretend to be protecting the real America?

Hell no! PENCE/FLYNN 2020!

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BobEore TwelveOhOne Mon, 11/27/2017 - 22:16 Permalink

Or alternately... in the spirit of your intention, I might start my comments with the caveat:

'warning! interruption to your fake news agit-prop intravenous feed begins here. Those with allergic reactions to truth in media may experience life-threatening dissonance'

... chump!
But anyhoo... pls do disclose! What objection - moral or otherwise - do you have to the use of Donald C Drumpfs' actual GIVEN BIRTH NAME///as opposed to his marketing moniker he switched over to in the course of becoming a failed realestate developer and mafiya casin bagman genius?

Are you \barack hussein obama/working to protect the rights and legacy of fellow manchurian candidate puppet-POTUSs????

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BobEore TwelveOhOne Tue, 11/28/2017 - 04:22 Permalink

Okey dokey Ussein!

Drumpfs'... great-grandparents were C. Johannes Drumpf and Katherina Kober.

Donald Trump's father is Frederick C Drumpf, a close associate of the "corrupt powerful New York political fixer and power broker attorney, Abraham (Bunny) Lindenbaum", a top Zionist.

"Big Time NY Real Estate Lawyers, Bunny Lindenbaum, and his son, Sandy Lindenbaum were high priests of the secret ultra orthodox Lubavitch Movement..

"Basically, the Chabad Lubavitch Movement is connected with ... the God Baal...

"Bunny Lindenbaum Baltimore Jewish Council’s World Zionist Congress collaborated with the Nazis...

"Fred C Drumpf and Bunny Lindenbaum were secretly working with SS Baron Otto Albrecht Alfred von Bolschwing, Israeli Defense Force (IDF), MOSSAD and the newly formed CIA...

"Lindenbaum and Fred C. were clandestinely using ... state funds to build a ... Jewish power base in Brooklyn

Hey! This is kinda fun!
What say you & I team up ...kinda like Lansky & Cohn...

run this place right! I could use a BRIGHT IDEA GUY LIKE YU!

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TwelveOhOne BobEore Tue, 11/28/2017 - 12:39 Permalink

Now you're acting retarded.

I'm not squirming. And, I didn't downvote you, earlier.

He's not "my boy" he's a human being with a given name.

He did not change the name; it was changed two generations prior to him.

For you to be calling things by names other than what they're given seems like you are virtue signaling, or perhaps merely broken. If the former, you're failing; if the latter, I'm sorry. Doesn't seem the latter, however, as you put so much glee into visualizing my suffering.

References:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2015/09/09/why-donald-trump-better-th…

Snopes is usually wrong lately, but ends this article stating that neither Donald nor his father ever had the surname "Drumpf": https://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf/

So you can continue to be wrong in public; it's your choice.

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BobEore JRobby Tue, 11/28/2017 - 08:15 Permalink

C'mon man - you know as well as I do, you guys NEVER read provided links - for fear of finding out something that might blow the whole psyop outta the water! The whole point of this place appears to be the AVOIDANCE of any close encounters with "the truth."

Tell ya what - I'll humor you - this time

http://aanirfan.blogspot.my/2016/11/trump-clinton-mafia-sex-rings.html

since there's no humor at all amongst this crowd of dour TRUMPTARDIAN dead MAGA-GOTS!

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TeethVillage88s Mon, 11/27/2017 - 18:56 Permalink

Dear President Trump;

Shalom. May God's Peace be upon your house and your family.

Please take immediate action to rectify this huge fraud on the US Voters, US Citizens, US Taxpayers.

"To add insult to injury, American taxpayers are helping finance Gülen’s 160 charter schools in the United States. These schools have been granted more H1-B visas than Google."

Also there is the matter of a Jobs Program in the USA in the face of Wealth & Income Gaps between the rich & poor.

Also there is the problem of Anti-Trust in MSM, Trans-Nationals, use of slave labor overseas, unlimited corporate power over the US Congress, and the sacred cow of US Health Care costs. Oh and what is the deal with $1 Trillion a year in MIC Spending and Endless War. Who is raping who here, Mr. President?

- Signed your brother in the fight

TeethVillage, Monday Morning Quarterback

Alananda Mon, 11/27/2017 - 15:10 Permalink

Blood-curdling news abounds -- seems a wonder the faithfully beating heart pumps as well as it does, these days!

"George Washington", a site that regularly bashes "America" -- actually, a subset of factions running US, Inc., and rarely other, "foreign" factions that often seem "in charge" -- comes up with a news report worth passing on.

BobEore Urban Roman Mon, 11/27/2017 - 21:05 Permalink

Err, no.
Erdogan was behind the (notso)failed fake coup against Erdogan.

But it's extremely important to the complex psyop by which we work to take down the western world...

that this bit of inconvenient truth gets covered up and papered over... via a blizzard of complicit media distortion.

OK?
https://storify.com/SuaveBel/the-coup-that-never-was-and-the-one-which-…

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TeethVillage88s Mon, 11/27/2017 - 15:28 Permalink

PizzaGate also what the hell?

"A Gülen school in New Orleans lost its charter in 2011 after allegations of cheating and sexual misconduct involving kindergartners."

AurorusBorealus Mon, 11/27/2017 - 15:33 Permalink

According to Q anon, whom I find to be credible, Flynn and Admiral Rogers as heads of the DIA and the NSA respectively served as liaisons to Trump to inform him about the CIA/FBI crime syndicate that has been running U.S. foreign policy since the Dulles brothers took over the CIA and the State Department.  That is why those two, especially, have been targeted by Mueller's Fascism Inc. private prosecuting firm of Clintonistas.  It is civil war in the U.S. intelligence aparatus; that much is certain.  The questions are as follows.  Is Trump actually aware of the attempts on the part of the criminal cabal to destroy any change in U.S. foreign policy direction?  Is he as smart as his die-hard supporters believe?  Are the patriots in the DIA and NSA as competent and numerous as some would have the world believe?   Will the spy vs. spy drama spill over into the streets as the fascists activate the Clintonistas and the radical wing of the Democratic Party?  And if so, will the U.S. become a full-blown military dictatorship as Trump and the patriots within the intelligence apparatus assault the crime syndicate and their deluded left-wing tools?

bigkahuna AurorusBorealus Mon, 11/27/2017 - 17:48 Permalink

I'm going to try...Is Trump actually aware of the attempts on the part of the criminal cabal to destroy any change in U.S. foreign policy direction? YesIs he as smart as his die-hard supporters believe? Yes, he is smart enough to know the probability of his life ending, or his family members' lives ending should he take up this mantle. He knew before he was elected, he is just hoping we give him a pass for this now. Are the patriots in the DIA and NSA as competent and numerous as some would have the world believe?  Government employees are regularly unable to resist the bullshit tasks they are given because they do not know the scope of their own activities, they cannot afford to lose their job, they cannot become a whistleblower and go to jail. They may be competent and patriotic in some very limited cases, but extenuating circumstances more than negate this competence and patriotism....expect no help from any of these people.Will the spy vs. spy drama spill over into the streets as the fascists activate the Clintonistas and the radical wing of the Democratic Party?  No - I do not think so, these people do not want their evil spilling out into the streets and thus, they will not initiate it. They are perfectly content to use agents to do specific wet work and then have other agents who clean up the messes if needed. Secrecy is tantamount.And if so, will the U.S. become a full-blown military dictatorship as Trump and the patriots within the intelligence apparatus assault the crime syndicate and their deluded left-wing tools? You will not see any bureaucrats siding with any shake up in their status quo - mostly because they would be going to jail or fired if the status quo changes. You may see the Marines ordered to arrest some people, but that would be an enormous surprise at this point. It had better not beome a military dictatorship. The same unscrupulous assholes run the military as run DC, except they will go house to house, street to street on our asses - and under a dictatorship, kiss the whole Constitution bye bye. So hopefully not.

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jin187 bigkahuna Mon, 11/27/2017 - 21:26 Permalink

TBH, I've stopped caring about the constitution. Our current predicament proves that as long as man is ruled, the sole factor that determines his quality of life is the quality of his rulers. This illusion of freedom we've had the last couple of centuries has been nice, but it's about time we admit that the shredded, trampled, tattered document that supposedly protects our freedom, can't hold back the tyrants any better than a New Orleans levy can hold back water. What started with the likes of Plessy vs Ferguson, and Dred Scott, is now nearly complete with the likes of Clinton and Obama. It took them over 200 years, but the Tories have won. Might as well just bend the knee while we clean our guns.

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Koba the Dread AurorusBorealus Mon, 11/27/2017 - 19:15 Permalink

You ask if the US will become a full-blown military dictatorship as Trump and the patriots within the intelligence apparatus assault the crime syndicate and their deluded left-wing tools? The US has been a full-blown intelligence agency dictatorship at least since the U2 incident in 1960. The dictatorial powers of the intelligence agencies is so strong and pervasive in America that only a military coup can possibly dislodge it. The difference in an intelligence agency dictatorship and a military dictatorship? The military has a tradition of honor. Intelligence agencies have no tradition at all, especially not one of honor.

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jin187 Koba the Dread Mon, 11/27/2017 - 21:13 Permalink

Oh they have traditions. Like you said, dishonor. All the ones that would actually support a cleanup in the swamp probably think it's the people that are the swamp. The rest probably don't care about anything but power, murder, and hidden foreign bank accounts. You gotta wonder how the typical intelligence operator becomes so deluded that they think they're saving the world by slaughtering a bunch of assholes with AK's, wearing flip-flops, and dirty button down shirts.

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AurorusBorealus Koba the Dread Mon, 11/27/2017 - 22:47 Permalink

I agree... in part.  I agree that the spell that intelligence agencies have cast over the U.S. population is so incredible as to not be believed, were it not so.  They lie, are discovered to be lying, lie again, are discovered again, and yet a large portion of the U.S. population (at least all of the Clintonistas) still believe them.  That the Clintonistas still support the establishment indicates that nothing will dissuade them save force of arms. If Trump and his little band of patriots orchestrates a night of long knives (or sealed indictments, as the case may be), the monster that is the ¨deep state¨will not go quietly.  I suspect that the spy vs. spy drama will spill over into the streets, and to quell the large-scale opposition, martial law will be necessary.  This will play directly into the hands of the Clintonistas and the fascist deep-state apparachniks, who will portray these events as their worst fears realized.  ¨See,¨ they will say, ¨Trump is a Nazi dictator.¨Civil war will result with casualties on both sides.The problem with the battle lines as they are currently drawn is that both sides have formed lines around a false front.  At the center of the entire battle are the events of 9-11.  For the ¨deep-state,¨ the events of 9-11 are a justification to do what they please in the Middle East, which is use wahabbi terrorists to promote regime change in Shiite oil-producing countries and Russa to prop up the petrodollar.  For the patriots (i.e. Flynn et al) the enemy is Isis and Wahabbiism.  According the patriot narrative, the military is sworn to defend the U.S.  The U.S. was attacked by wahabbi fanatics, and this is the true enemy.Unfortunately, none of this is true. The U.S. was not attacked by Al Quaeda, at least not on 9-11-01.  The ¨enemy¨that Trump´s military junta wants to fight is a phantom that the ¨deep-state¨created, and Trump and his junta know this.  If they were truly patriotic and concerned about their fellow citizens, they would release the Kraken and tell the truth about 9-11.  They do not dare release the truth about 9-11, because like the ¨deep-state,¨ they also wish to use the myth of 9-11 for MOHR WAR.  These are generals, and war is their hobby.  The only real difference between the ¨deep-state¨and Trump´s miitary junta is how they manipulate the public perception of what occurred on 9-11.Until the truth about 9-11 is made public, there will be no peace and the U.S., whether controlled by Trump´s military junta or the deep-state, will remain a tyranny and a threat: both to its own people and to the world.

In reply to by Koba the Dread

TeethVillage88s Mon, 11/27/2017 - 15:54 Permalink

I heard Fethullah Gülen says he has an army

But I think he is like a lot of Religious leaders in the 'Stans or M.E.
- Take money, get rich, while sending in agents, proxies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins

Part of a series on Sh?a Islam, Isma‘ilism, Musta‘li & Nizari History

Assassins, al-?ashashin, is the common name used to refer to an Islamic sect formally known as the Nizari Ismailis. Often described as a secret order led by a mysterious "Old Man of the Mountain", the Nizari Ismailis formed in the late 11th century

The Nizaris posed a strategic threat to Sunni Seljuq authority by capturing and inhabiting several mountain fortresses throughout Persia and later Syria, under the leadership of Hassan-i Sabbah. Asymmetric warfare, psychological warfare, and surgical strikes were often an employed tactic of the assassins, drawing their opponents into submission rather than risk killing them.[1]

- Take money, get rich, while sending in agents, proxies.