Turkey's Erdogan: There Is No Moderate Islam

Authord by Burak Bekdil via The Gatestone Institute,

  • "Erdogan's claims that 'There is no Islamic terror' have left several Islamic terror organizations heart-broken. A press release from al-Qaeda's press office read: 'The prime minister's remarks are very discouraging. We are doing our best!'" – Zaytung (satire website).
  • In 2010, Barack Obama referred to Turkey as a "great Muslim democracy". Obama should have seen that a democracy is a democracy -- without any religious prefix. He would see in later years the difference between a democracy and a Muslim democracy.

Turkey's strongman, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, may have exhibited all possible features of political Islam since he came to power fifteen years ago, but at least he has been bold and honest about his understanding of Islamism: There is no moderate Islam, he recently said again.

This comment does not mark any U-turn, or a radical deviation from his earlier freshman-self back in the 2000s. The problem is that his Western "allies" have stubbornly preferred to turn a blind eye to his poster-child Islamism. Worse, they still do.

Several years ago, Erdogan's ideological-self clearly stated that "Turkey is not a country where moderate Islam prevails." In the same speech, his pragmatic-self -- the one that wanted to look pretty to a chorus of Western praise -- added that, "We are Muslims who have found a middle road". But which "middle road?"

In the several years that followed, Erdogan proudly exhibited another feature of Islamism in a make-believe assertion: Muslims never do wrong; if a Muslim does wrong then he is not Muslim.

In 2009, when Sudanese paramilitaries committed acts of genocide against the population of Darfur, and Sudan's president, Omar al-Bashir, was guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted by the International Criminal Court, Erdogan simply said: "It is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide." Instead, he said, Israeli "war crimes" in Gaza are worse than anything that has taken place in Sudan. As he said that, victims in Sudan had already numbered in the hundreds of thousands.

In February, at a meeting in Ankara, Erdogan slammed German Chancellor Angela Merkel's phrase "Islamist terror". He angrily said to his guest, "Islam means 'peace,' it can't come with 'terror'".

When Erdogan (then prime minister) famously claimed that "there is no Islamic terror" in 2010, the satire website Zaytung fabricated a story, the lead paragraph of which read: "Erdogan's claims that 'There is no Islamic terror' have left several Islamic terror organizations heart-broken. A press release from al-Qaeda's press office read: 'The prime minister's remarks are very discouraging. We are doing our best!'".

In 2011, when Hamas' charter called for the annihilation of the State of Israel by means of violence, Erdogan claimed that "Hamas is not a terrorist organization." Instead, he said: "I don't see Hamas as a terror organization. Hamas is a political party -- it emerged as a political party that appeared as a political party. It is a resistance movement trying to protect its country under occupation".

In February, at a meeting in Ankara, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan slammed German Chancellor Angela Merkel's phrase "Islamist terror". He angrily said to his guest, "Islam means 'peace,' it can't come with 'terror'". (Image source: Ruptly video screenshot)

In a similar show of ideological wishful thinking, Erdogan has often come out in defense of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, despite international pressure against the movement, particularly from the United States, which has debated listing the group as a terrorist organization. Erdogan said he did not consider the Brotherhood one because "it is not an armed group, but is in actual fact an ideological organization".

The Obama administration sounded as if it were trying to deal with the Turkey it wished it had, instead of dealing with the Turkey it had.

In a 2010 interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Obama referred to Turkey as a "great Muslim democracy". Obama should have seen that a democracy is a democracy -- without any religious prefix. He would see in later years the difference between a democracy and a Muslim democracy.

But it took Obama many years to see that. In 2011, Tom Donilon, Obama's former national security advisor, said that the U.S. president regarded Erdogan as "a man of principle, and also a man of action." In a 2012 Time interview, Obama named Erdogan as one of the five world leaders with whom he had the strongest bonds.

Seven years after Obama's pathetic diagnosis about the kind of democracy Erdogan brought to an otherwise secular country, the Turkish president said that "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam." Worse, he claimed that the term "moderate Islam" had been fabricated by the West in order to weaken Islam. From the Muslim democracy to the former U.S. president, with love...

The U.S. ambassador to Ankara from 2003 to 2005, Eric Edelman, said, "We basically have turned a blind eye to Erdogan's drive towards an authoritarian, one-man system of rule in Turkey". The journalist Jeffrey Goldberg wrote in The Atlantic's April 2016 issue:

"Early on, Obama saw Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, the president of Turkey, as the sort of moderate Muslim leader who would bridge the divide between East and West — but Obama now considers him a failure and an authoritarian..."

The Trump administration has two options: It can either deal with the Turkey it has or the Turkey it wished it had.

Comments

neversink NoDecaf Tue, 12/05/2017 - 07:47 Permalink

So you don't like the truth... It was Erdogan who made the comments. But of course if Gatestone reports it, and the have been very truthful in there reports, then you don't like it. You are no different than the left ideologists. People who hide from the the truth, like you, have their heads in the sand.

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Dun_Dulind Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:06 Permalink

Well then... it's an ideology that must be destroyed - like Nazism if you prefer.  Humanity can not let Islam influence the future in any capacity.

wisehiney Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:08 Permalink

Which side of a Turkey has the most feathers?The outside A sad time in world historyThe world is most always filled with tragedyBut seriously, the happiest time there ever wasGenerally and everywhereWas surely the 1980'sWas it the Stones or Madonna or The Magic Glove brother or just Tone Loc? Trump is the only smiler left.And that is cause he is from the eightiesAnd he is down with the ladiesHe ain't got no plan with a man He never harrased any chickIf you were alive thenYou remember how he had to beat the pussyOff with a stick 

Juggernaut x2 Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:23 Permalink

Speaking of Hamas, some hebes that successfully sued Iran for a Hamas suicide bombing in Israel  in US court (wait-what?) but have not been able to collect the $71.5M judgement are now trying to seize Iranian antiquities in US museums in order to make good on the monetary judgement- the Supreme Court is hearing arguments now.

MPJones Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:21 Permalink

Erdogan is of course right. That is why Islam must (again) be driven out of the West. There can be no co-existence, not because the secular-Christian West doesn't wish it but because Islam doesn't. You cannot decide to live in peace - only your neightbour can decide whether or not you live in peace, and Islam wants war. The choice is between combatting this vile poligtical ideology or be overwhelmed by it. There is no middle ground or alternative path.

BorraChoom Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:23 Permalink

The council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) who are the Muslim Brotherhood.The first official Muslim Brotherhood front organization founded in the U.S. was the Muslim Students Association (MSA), established on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois in 1964. Today, there are over 600 MSA chapters at colleges and universities across North America, working to recruit members to the Muslim Brotherhood and jihad. According to former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo, “The MSA serves as a recruitment tool to bring Muslims into the Brotherhood…[w]hich was its original purpose: to evaluate Muslims and to bring them into the Brotherhood and to recruit non-Muslims into Islam as a dawa entity, giving them the call to Islam.”[15] The MSA was the blueprint model for the thousands of Muslim Brotherhood front groups that exist, function, and continue to multiply across the U.S. today.     “The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. The 2008 Holy Land Foundation terror-funding trial[17] has proven extremely valuable, well beyond its success in putting a U.S.-based jihad money channel out of business that had that sent millions of dollars to HAMAS, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian branch. Hundreds of documents presented as evidence in the trial by U.S. Department of Justice prosecutors were subsequently placed online.[18] Among these was a transcript of a talk given in the U.S. in the early 1980s by a Muslim Brotherhood executive-level leader, Zeid al-Noman.[19] In it, al-Noman provided a remarkably detailed description of the history and mission of the Muslim Brotherhood in America, beginning with the establishment of the first front groups, such as the MSA, and proceeding according to the Ikhwan Bylaws to expand the network in a methodical, organized manner.[20] Today, this infrastructure extends its reach within every single pillar of societal support in America – academia, government, intelligence, legal community, media, military, society, and the workplace – and demonstrably exerts a powerful influence on U.S. policy, both domestic and foreign, at the highest levels. The last page of the “Explanatory Memorandum” listed 29 Muslim Brotherhood groups under the heading, “A list of our organizations and the organizations of our friends.”[25] Among these are the names of some of the best-known, mainstream Islamic organizations in the U.S. today, including a number whose Muslim Brotherhood-linked officials advise[26], socialize with[27], and train[28] the leadership of key agencies within the U.S. national security community. The list includes the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP, the immediate parent organization of the Council on Islamic American Relations or CAIR), the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT), the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), and the Muslim Students Association (MSA). This is, of course, but a small sampling of North American Muslim Brotherhood front groups, but gives an idea of the level of “acceptability,” among both mainstream Muslim and U.S. society in general, that the groups have achieved by stealth and deception. One of the most “mainstream” of these front groups is the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), named, by the Justice Dept., an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding case [15] Stakelbeck, Erick, “Muslim Student Group a Gateway to Jihad?” CBN News, August 29, 2011. Accessed online 1 January 2013 at http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/March/Muslim-Student-Group-a-Gateway-to-Jihad/ [17] See the November 24, 2008 Department of Justice Press release about the convictions. Accessed online 1 January 2013 at http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2008/November/08-nsd-1046.html [18] United States District Court, Northern District of Texas, “USA v. Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development” Accessed online 1 January 2013 at http://www.txnd.uscourts.gov/judges/hlf2.html [19] “Enter the Brotherhood,” Investigative Project on Terrorism, September 25, 2008. Accessed online 3 January 2013 at http://www.investigativeproject.org/778/enter-the-brotherhood

HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:33 Permalink

I have said it before and I will say it again: why hasn't Turkey and Dictat Erdogan been kicked out of NATO and kicked to the fucking curb like a dog?

This asshat is seriously delusional. So are too many people in the west. Jeez this is not going to end well.

wisehiney Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:34 Permalink

Economy the size of detroit.Ego the size of JupiterSo ugly and irrevelantTo whom can we sing the praises of Constantinople?The turks are possibly more ignorant that our fellow countrymenI did once know a cool turk weed dealerWith whom a enjoyed a fairly witty reparteeAs I sampled his most excellent and illicit waresGood and amusing connectionsQuite a warm and affectionate fellow really 

BorraChoom Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:40 Permalink

I have to give the Erdo Family Credit.Son Bilal made mega bucks running stolen crude from ISIS.Nursey Daughter gave medical aid to "Freedumm Fighters" for the small token price of removing a few of their vital organs to sell on the black medical market. 

BorraChoom Tue, 12/05/2017 - 02:56 Permalink

"I lived in the Muslim world for a little more than 17 years.  Show me a Muslim and I will show you a pervert.  A Muslim would rather sodomize a 10 year old boy than have vaginal sex with a woman. If a Muslim man catches his daughter with a white Christian boyfriend, he would slit his daughter’s throat and he wouldn’t feel guilty about it at all. He would be happy to slit his daughter’s throat.There is no philosophy in Islam, there is only the Koran and Sharia Law...nothing else.  I love my country but I am contemptuous of the Federal Government which is bringing these Muslim cavemen here and also bring in West Africans.They know the facts. They are bringing in Third World nationals with low IQs that traditionally have 4 to 6 kids per family. By doing this, they know they are replacing the White Race in America. They KNOW.  Yes, I am contemptuous of the criminal Federal Government!  Western Europe and Americans have been brainwashed for the last 50 years that we are always racist and all races are equal. They have lied to us. I have never mistreated a Negro in my life. I don’t have the power to discriminate in regards to housing or jobs. My ancestors didn’t own slaves. Black Americans can kiss my Dixie ass. I don’t feel guilty and I owe them nothing. My culture is Western European, not that of indigenous native indians we call “Mexicans.”I reject Islam. I reject the so-called Prophet Mohammad.  It appears he was also a pervert, child molester, rapist, robber of caravans and murderer of anyone who didn’t agree with him.  Bringing this backward 'religion' to America is a crime.  Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty. I believe these young American white kids in their teens and 20s and early 30s will never fight back.  They will lay down and roll over and pee on themselves like little puppies.  Same in Europe. They will not fight back. Your brother is right, the bastards in Europe are giving it all away and the bastards here in America will also roll over and pee on themselves.This is what governments have done to us.  This is what 'voting' has given us.":a oilman who lived in the Middle East for 17 years..

HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 BorraChoom Tue, 12/05/2017 - 03:16 Permalink

Thanks for posting the truth. Islam is a psychopathic death cult. Every perversion was allowed by their cult leader.

Throw in 14 centuries of inbreeding and pscyhopathy and the end result is not going to be good unless you are a psychopath.

Islam, and the cult of Islam, terrify me.

It is a crime that towns like Lewiston, Maine, were flooded with Somalis from a desert world that have nothing in common with any white person or any person living in Maine. Sickening to see the home state of my mother ruined by the Islamic disease.

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LoveTruth Tue, 12/05/2017 - 03:29 Permalink

Spiritual masters like Christ, Budha, Beinsa Duno gave people Personal example how to live. They lived honestly, never causing harm to anybody, they showed that Love is the only right way in life. However if you follow the personal example of Muhamad- the prophet of Islam, you'll definitely end up either in jail or dead in the civilized world. Muhamad practiced things like, pedophilia, rape of children, murder, etc. There is only one Islam and that's why Islam must be banned!

wisehiney LoveTruth Tue, 12/05/2017 - 03:33 Permalink

All of those holy booksTry to teach usTo Love Everybody And I do love the people of all kinds that I knowBut I truly hate the evil bastardsThat they trot before us And because my beloved do not always See and know the evilFrustratingTo try and teach all about themCan wipe the smile from even my faceSome days

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Dre4dwolf Tue, 12/05/2017 - 03:49 Permalink

Islam is the most patriarchal control structure in human history, the entire religion/political control scheme is based on oppression and submission of everyone.Nations like Turkey and Iran Saudi Arabia, look at them all, all the leaders intend on installing a global caliphate (taking over the world), the rest of western culture has essentially given up on conquest and would rather just spread markets to trade/open new trade frontiers. Islam vs. Monetarism is kinda almost the theme.

Fireman Tue, 12/05/2017 - 04:04 Permalink

Is it good for your aristocracy, weapons exporters and the juice? That is all you need to know concerning the "why" of importing a degenerate barbaric culture to poison the West. Coudenhove Kalergi explains the entire plot. If you haven't read it and spread it...why not.  "Practical Idealism", 1923 link below.The detritus of USSA'S serial judaic bouts of slaughter in the ME for the profit of the warmongers just never stops coming. The strategy of destroying two enemies with one war. "Count" Richard Coudenhove Kalergi’s Plan outlined by Gerd Honsik “Kalergi proclaims the abolition of the right of self-determination, ... the elimination of nations by means of ethnic separatist movements or mass allogeneic (genetically dissimilar) immigration to create a multiethnic flock without quality, easily controllable by the ruling class. Kalergi characterized the multiethnic flock as cruel and unfaithful but maintained the elite must deliberately create them in order to achieve their own superiority: ‘Then the elite will first eliminate democracy – the rule of the people. Next, the elite will eliminate the people via miscegenation, thereby replacing the ruling white race with an easily controllable mestizo race. By abolishing the principle of equality of all before the law, avoiding and punishing any criticism of minorities, and protecting minorities with special laws, the masses will be suppressed.’' "Count" Richard Coudenhove von Kalergi's genocidal screed "Practical Idealism" 1923 in pdf format (link below) is the original Austrian NAZI and his satanic tome makes Onkel Adolf's "Mein Kampf" look like a bedtime story. This mutt laid the foundations for the evil EUSSR with its capital in the sewer Brussels, Natostan seat of the totalitarian Pedophile Politburo that runs the EUSSR for the banksters and satanists. http://www.mediafire.com/file/vcpu7j7hakukmde/Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practic...   Funny of course how jews can build their "separation fence" in the country they have stolen from Palestinians to keep the real owners out, yet these same evil  chosenites are pushing the migrant poison meme on the Europeons not to mention reeling the migrants in on the shores of Greece and Italy. And this is not an anglozionazi conspiracy to destroy what's left of EuroPeon democracy?   Humanitarian supremacist israeli jews welcoming muslims to Urupp...WTF?  Geddit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5p2zt0ne_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ     

gespiri Tue, 12/05/2017 - 04:13 Permalink

Very easy to fix: Ban this religion from the civilized world and keep them within their Islamic countries.“Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia.” - V. Putin (could've been a fake quote but I agree)

just the tip gespiri Tue, 12/05/2017 - 05:20 Permalink

according to russian military, by 2020, red army will be majority muslim.according to the UN, by 2050 russia will be majority muslim.look it up.http://www.sldinfo.com/who-is-the-russian-military-muslims-conscripts-a…The overall Russian population is expected to decrease from approximately 141 million people today to less than 130 million by 2025 due to the country’s low birth rates, high mortality from alcoholism and other maladies, and other factors. In less than a decade from now, Russia is projected to have only 650,000 18-year-old males. Even if they were all healthy and willing to serve in the military, the Russian currently employs 750,000 conscripts.https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=411_1393627355if you scratch the surface, you will find that the vast majority of russian muslims are sunni.  and what putin is doing, ok, he's play 16D chess, whatever, is he is forming alliances with shia muslim countries.  where i'm going with this is, putin may manage this present day masterfully, but what is putin going to do in 2050?

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