Abbas: US Can No Longer Mediate Israel-Palestinian Talks

Authored by Jason Ditz via AntiWar.com,

With the US so heavily committed to supporting Israel, and protecting them from any UN resolutions, it’s always been difficult for the Palestinian leadership to trust the US to be an impartial moderator for peace efforts. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas says Wednesday’s move by President Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital has effectively ended that entirely.

Abbas says there is no way at this point that the Palestinians can trust the US to be a mediator, saying Trump’s move encourages Israel to continue the occupation and expansion of settlements, undermining the two-state solution.


Mahmoud Abbas in a meeting with President Trump earlier this year.

Trump has suggested that the recognition of the capital is going to help the peace process, though the Secretaries of State and Defense are both warning the move risks provoking regional violence, and White House officials say that the recognition threatens the peace process in the near-term.

Both Israel and Palestine envision Jerusalem as their future capital, and Israel’s definition of Jerusalem has expanded dramatically over the years, including large amounts of occupied Palestinian territory into a “greater Jerusalem.”

While Abbas says he continues to view Jerusalem as Palestine’s “eternal capital,” language identical to Israel’s, he is under increasing pressure from his top allies in the Palestinian authority to do more, however, including abandoning US-brokered efforts.

And the Palestinian abandonment of the US process could give Israel an excuse to ditch the process too and further expand settlements, and probably with a tacit US endorsement too, since their effort provoked such a move.

Comments

Slack Jack Tallest Skil Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:07 Permalink

Like I said: Will Trump move the Jew capital to Jerusalem?

Of course, the idiot will. Trump is a Jew.

Just like, Obama, Bush and (Bill & Hillary) Clinton are all Jews.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=630

http://mileswmathis.com/trump.pdf

And as to how real wars are fought,.... i.e., through deception, see

Proof that Adolf Hitler was a double agent.

http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174

It seems pretty weird when you first read it, but its clearly true.

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Slack Jack Slack Jack Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:10 Permalink

What is weird is this; that 2000 years ago, there were no people even resembling Jews in the middle-east at all.

Turns out that there is not a single ancient Jewish city in what is now called Israel. There is not a single city where the Hebrew script is used on the statues and buildings. There is not a single city where the buildings are in the ancient Jewish architectural style. In fact, there is not even a category of "ancient Jewish architectural style".

If you check out all the ancient cities in Israel, they are all Greek, and their ruins are still there for you to visit. Their inscriptions are in the Greek script and the buildings are in the ancient Greek architectural styles.

Here is a list of some of the known ancient Greek cities in (and near) Israel; Ecdippa, Seleucia, Ptolemais, Taricheia Arbela, Asochis, Sepphoris, Hippos, Dion, Sycaminum, Bucolon Polis, Itabyrium, Gadara, Abila, Dora, Comus, Gephrus, Crocodilion Polis, Caesarea, Straton's Tower, Narbata, Scythopolis, Pella, Samaria, Amathus, Ragaba, Gerasa, Apollonia, Sicima, Pegae, Joppa, Arimathea, Jamnia, Port of Jamnia, Lydda, Modiin, Aphaerema, Philadelphia, Birtha, Gazara, Beth Horon, Dok, Jericho, Samaga, Esbus, Medaba, Ladder of Tyre, Azotus, Port of Azotus, Accaron, Jerusalem, Ascalon, Anthedon, Gaza, Marissa, Beth Zur, Hebron, Adora, Engeddi.

The ancient Jewish cities in Israel are,.... well there aren't any. Not even one.

Here's an interesting example of a first century BC Greek inscription (i.e., in Greek letters) from Jerusalem's Temple Mount forbidding the entry of Gentiles (i.e., non-Greeks) to the Temple precinct....

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ancient-temple-mount-warning-stone-is-clo…

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Slack Jack beijing expat Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:33 Permalink

beijing expat Dec 7, 2017 6:16 AM "The Christians were mostly forced out years ago."

The Christian population of Palestine (Israel) before the Jews ethically cleansed the area was around 20%.

Today the Christian population of Israel (not including the West Bank & Gaza) is about 2% (and this 2% is mainly Arab).

The Jews have been a huge disaster for Christians.

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YUNOSELL Slack Jack Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:44 Permalink

I never realized that the USA political establishment could be trusted to objectively mediate any dispute. I always instinctlvely figured they would always side with what was in their best interests as they have always shown to do before, and rule of law would just be cleverly interpreted to prove their final conclusion.The only objective mediator would be a country that has absolutely no interests to gain from being involved, and would have no vulnerability to being influenced by sides that do have interests in a certain conclusion being reached.

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nmewn johngaltfla Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:44 Permalink

Yep.And just how long is the "Middle East peace process" supposed to last? I mean at some point (a decade?...a century?) one would expect actual success in "the process" leading to the peace they claim to seek, not some open ended retirement program for diplomats.Someone on either side should issue a strongly worded statement explaining how the operation was a complete success but unfortunately the patient is dead.  

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curbjob nmewn Thu, 12/07/2017 - 07:15 Permalink

"And just how long is the "Middle East peace process" supposed to last?" Just long enough to settle the West Bank and reduce the Gaza strip to sand .. to the point of there being nothing left to negotiate. .. but then I realize from your position of trump uber alles,  your question was entirely rhetorical. 

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nmewn curbjob Thu, 12/07/2017 - 07:59 Permalink

You fucking progs crack me up, how many "Palestinians" need to die in your fake "peace process"?You don't want peace and never have or you (and they) could have had it but Arafat turned it down and it speaks volumes on why Sadat was killed and why Jordan drove the "Palestinians" there out. 

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nmewn curbjob Thu, 12/07/2017 - 09:15 Permalink

That's the best you can do?YOU do not provide your personal opinion on a half century of "peace process", the assassination of a head of state who actually did make peace and the PLO being tossed out of Jordan for trying to take over that country and divert to settlements?How did Israel even "occupy" the West Bank...they were attacked weren't they? 

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curbjob johngaltfla Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:54 Permalink

"The Palis turned down a two state solution already so fuck them."Haha ... yeah guy, they hate us for our freedom to print and make shit up out of thin air.The reason America cannot mediate a 2 state solution is because Americans have been brain washed into believing shit like the above.Riddle me this; how come in every other country in the universe except Israel, USA and American Samoa;  people think that Israel is a pariah state built on stolen land ? .. is the whole planet antisemitic ?  (or a lack of Fox or CNN coverage ?)Have a look at a settlement map of the West Bank and tell me honestly how one can ever negotiate with that fucking cancer ? 

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redmudhooch BabaLooey Thu, 12/07/2017 - 21:01 Permalink

I suspect the Israelis will shut the fuck up when America stops fighting their fights for them.and paying for it.Let Israel have to PAY for their own war and see how peaceful they become.Wars cost lots of $$$$, and they hate giving up their precious $$$$. Probably more than they hate Muslims.HA! Israelis love $$$ more than they hate Muslims, don't ya?

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Mementoil Tallest Skil Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:10 Permalink

The Palestinians have been offered a state (including eastern Jerusalem as their capital) on a number of occasions in the past, and they have repeatedly said no.Most people don't believe that when they are told, but that is fact:  they were offered a country on the 1947 UN Partition Plan, on 1967 at Khartoum, on 2000 at Camp David, 2001 at Taba and finally on 2008 Olmert Plan. They have always said no.Why is that? Because it is easier for them to be the constant victims, who receive endless amounts of money and support, than to do the hard work of building a country.And so once again those cry babies lost a fight, because they were'nt even willing to sit down and negotiate with Israel.If you feel sorry for the Palestinians - I have a good psychologist for you.

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Mementoil D.T.Barnum Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:38 Permalink

To the best of my knowledge the star of David is a monogram of the name "David" (the letter D in ancient Hebrew looked like a triangle).I guess it was the symbol of the house of David, which was not used by the kings which followed, but during the diaspora resurfaced as a reminder of the glory of the times of king David. That's all I know about that.

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Moe Howard D.T.Barnum Thu, 12/07/2017 - 07:27 Permalink

The earliest Jewish literary source that mentions the Shield of David is the Eshkol Ha-Kofer by Judah Hadassi from the mid-twelfth century C.E., where seven shields are used in an amulet for a mezuzah.A manuscript TaNaK dated 1307 and belonging to Rabbi Yosef bar Yehuda ben Marvas from Toledo, Spain, was decorated with a Shield of David.In 1354, King Charles IV of Bohemia prescribed for the Jews of Prague a red flag depicting both David's shield and Solomon's seal. Later, it is recorded that the Jews met King Matthias (Mathios Kuruvenus) of Ofen (Budapest, Hungary) in 1460 with another red flag showing two pentagrams with two golden stars. The pentagram, therefore, may also have been used among the Jews. It occurs in a manuscript as early as the year 1073.

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Mementoil shitshitshit Thu, 12/07/2017 - 07:13 Permalink

I erased this comment because I don't know enough about the subject and I don't like to write inaccurate things.But I will say that even if a portion of European Jews have Khazar ancestry, why should that make any difference? The majority of Jews in Israel nowadays are Sepharadic Jews, from across the middle east and north Africa.And if you are so concerned about ancestry, why don't we examine the origins of the Palestinians?According to this Hammas minister, the Palestinians are not native to Israel, but in fact came from Egypt, Saudi-Arabia etc.: https://youtu.be/0B5hKbDdkU4

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Mementoil Bobbyrib Thu, 12/07/2017 - 06:26 Permalink

You guys keep repeating this lie, as if it's going to change the facts.Look up "Olmert plan 2008", and you will discover that the Palestinians were offered a country based on 1967 borders, including east Jerusalem, with some minor land swaps and most of Jewish settlements in Judea and Smaria dismanteled, and they said no.What else can you offer them? They won't settle for anyting else other than Israel disappearing from the face of the earth and all the Jews at the bottom of the sea, and that is hardly going to happen.

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911bodysnatchers322 Mementoil Thu, 12/07/2017 - 09:11 Permalink

Don't mind the downvotes, they are probably bot votes anyway. Or we've got a lot of ignorant and/or racist people ("Jews did 9/11") reading financial news for some reason What you're saying is correct, people need to study history more. We just got ourselves out from under a fight between two equally unreasonable people

And we declared the winner to be the one that hasn't been shooting up our nightclubs and concerts (you heard me), flying planes into our buildings, hacking us, infiltrating social media, running radical extremeism soft jihad in america (fetullah gulen network -- 'killing ed' film), double garrotting our teenage white gilrs and leaving them in a ditch, drugraping teens in uk, violently gangraping teens in germany and sweden, and being generally a G D nuisance around the world

Jewish mossad and some other Jewish groups have done a differnt kind of infiltration, but it has mixed helpfulness, and no one dies really, except our soldiers who are effectively mind controlled into superpatriotism that translates into wealth for military industrial insiders in the intel community--many of whose high level generals seem to be divided fairly evenly by ethnically jewish, white catholic and white protestant, pretty much half are freemasons

so if you want to complain about jews: just stop. And complain about freemasons and more specifically those of the political, intelligence, 'secrecy' class of elites

NOT "JEWS". I'm just so tired of hearing that. It's just such as shitbrained thought-terminating cliche to blame stuff on jews It also makes us look bad to the outside world,

I imagine the avg Chinese person reading forums and are like 'wow these guys are really dumb, they just blame jews in israel all day but half their pentagon and us political class and people in intelligence are jews...wow'

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