Paul Craig Roberts: America Is "Walking Into Armageddon"

Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,

The orchestrated hostility toward Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea protects the $1,000 billion annual budget of the military/security complex by convincing the American public that the US is threatened by enemies. It also keeps alive Democratic Party hopes that Trump can be removed from office, and it has prevented President Trump from normalizing relations with Russia. I have emphasized for some time that Washington’s gratuitous and aggressive actions against Russia and the constant barrage of false accusations against Russia and its government have convinced Russia that Washington is planning a military attack. There is nothing more reckless and irresponsible than to convince a nuclear superpower that you are preparing an attack on them.

One would think that such irresponsible and reckless behavior would have the citizenry aroused and the media reporting the risk. Yet, there is only silence. It is more important to the media whether NFL players stand for the national anthem and that some male politicians show sexual interest in women in inappropriate ways. Insouciant America is walking into Armageddon.

A few days ago former US Secretary of Defense William J. Perry added his voice to mine and to those of the few who understand the danger. Perry said:

“When the Cold War ended, I believed that we no longer had to take that risk [nuclear annihilation] so I put all my energy into efforts to dismantle the deadly nuclear legacy of the Cold War. During my period as the Secretary of Defense in the 90s, I oversaw the dismantlement of 8,000 nuclear weapons evenly divided between the United States and the former Soviet Union. And I thought then that we were well on our way to putting behind us this deadly existential threat, But that was not to be. Today, inexplicably to me, we’re recreating the geopolitical hostility of the Cold War, and we’re rebuilding the nuclear dangers. 

 

… We are doing this without any serious public discussion or any real understanding of the consequences of these actions. We are sleepwalking into a new Cold War, and there’s very real danger that we will blunder into a nuclear war. If we are to prevent this catastrophe, the public must understand what is happening.”

How can the American public understand when they do not know, because the few voices telling them are not reported. Indeed, the military/security complex, the Israel Lobby and the lobby’s American agents among the neoconservatives are actively working to discredit those who are aware of the dangerous situation.

The power of the military/security complex and the Israel Lobby, the two prime war-mongers of the 21st century, have immobilized the President of the United States. Trump is helpless in the face of a special prosecutor who is “investigating Russiagate,” a hoax created for the express purpose of preventing President Trump from restoring normal relations with a nuclear superpower.

Experts including William Binney, who developed the universal spy program for NSA thinking mistakenly that it would not be used against American citizens, have stated publicly that, if Russiagate were real and not an orchestrated hoax, the NSA would have all the evidence, making special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s “investigation” completely pointless.

One would think that even those who comprise the presstitute media would be able to figure out that NSA has the evidence if it exists.

Instead, the presstitutes cooperate with Mueller in creating a fake news story, one that has been kept alive for over a year.

A country in which the media lack integrity cannot be a democracy as the people have no accurate information with which to make decisions and hold government accountable. The American presstitute media functions as a control arm for the powerful vested interests that are turning the United States into a police state that serves only a few hundredths of One Percent.

Americans have been lied to about everything. I agree that the lies go back a long way. To keep this column to a readable length, we can start with the many lies of the Clinton regime. The war on Serbia was done in order to humiliate Russia by proving that Russia was helpless in the face of American might to come to the aid of its ally, and it was done to establish the use of NATO as an arm of, and cover for, US military aggression.

Then we come to 9/11, the official explanation of which is rejected not only by Osama bin Laden but also by every expert unafraid to open his/her mouth.

Then we have the fake reason for the US invasion of Afghanistan, a disaster for America as it was for the Soviets. A handful of lightly armed Afghans defeated “the world’s only superpower,” just as they defeated the powerful Soviet army.

Then we have the fake charges of Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction” hyped to the heavens by the corrupt American presstitutes. This amazing lie, disavowed by the UN weapons inspectors, was used despite the evidence to the contrary to invade Iraq and to destroy a country. This lie was later repudiated by US Secretary of State Colin Powell, who regretted the stain on his reputation caused by the George W. Bush/Dick Chaney regime’s misuse of his credibility before the UN.

Then we have the fake charges against Libya’s Gaddafi that were used to murder Gadaffi, to Hillary’s great delight, and to destroy the most successful country in Africa.

The ISIS mercenaries that Hillary and Obama used to destroy Libya were sent to destroy Syria when Russia and the British Parliament blocked Obama’s plan to send American troops to invade Syria. We have been subjected to years of lies from Washington and the presstitutes that Washington is fighting ISIS, when Washington sent ISIS to Syria to destroy Assad and the Syrian government.

And there is Somalia, another packet of Washington/presstitute lies. And the violation of Pakistan with the bombing of tribal areas falsely claimed to be al-Qaeda or Taliban supporters.

And there is Yemen devastated by Washington’s puppet Saudi Arabia.

And there are the false news reports of “Iranian nukes” and Iranian belligerent actions against Israel.

And “Russia invaded Ukraine” when in fact Washington overthrew with its financed NGOs the democratically elected Ukrainian government.

And now we hear that those who dare to tell the truth to Americans are “Russian agents” and “fake news purveyors.”

When a country’s government and media do nothing but lie 24/7, how can democracy exist. Clearly, it cannot.

Environmental organizations are reporting that President Trump intends to abolish two national monuments by executive order in order to open protected lands to rape, ravage, and ruin by corporations. The two national monuments are Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante.

If Trump has the power to turn national monuments over to corporate campaign donors, he most certainly can have his Attorney General open an investigation of Hillary Clinton or even indict her on the already known evidence. He can issue a pre-emptive pardon of General Flynn, who is being framed on charges that do not relate to Russian influence in the presidential election. Indeed, he can have the Attorney General investigate or arrest Mueller for sedition and an attempt to overthrow the government of the United States. These charges are far more realistic than the charge Mueller has brought against Flynn.

But what does President Trump do? He twitters, complaining that Gen. Flynns life is being destroyed while “Crooked Hillary Clinton” walks around free

Trump is correct, so why doesn’t he do something about it? What Flynn did was to ask the Russians not to over-react to the new sanctions that Obama placed on Russia in an effort to create such bad relations between the US and Russia that Trump would be unable to normalize them. What Flynn did was entirely appropriate and has nothing to do with the hoax story of Russiagate. The real reason that the military/security complex is after Gen. Flynn is that he is the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and he said on a TV news show that the decision by the Obama regime to send ISIS to overthrow Syria was a “willful decision” that went against his recommendation.

In other words, Flynn let the cat out of the bag that ISIS was not an independently formed organization but a tool of US policy.

The presstitutes, of course, ignored Gen. Flynn’s statement. The only effect of Flynn’s statement was to set him up for retaliation, and that is what Mueller is doing.

What Mueller is doing is so corrupt that he really should be arrested and renditioned to Egypt.

Private interests and agendas have control over the US government. The people have no control. Washington works by selling legislation to the interest groups in exchange for campaign contributions. The private interests that provide the money that elects politicians get the laws that they want. For example, President Trump is giving the environmental despoilers two protected national monuments, but he is powerless to protect himself and has advisers.

The ruling oligarchy is making an example of Trump in order to ensure that no future presidential candidate makes a direct appeal to the people. When Trump said that he was going to govern in the interest of the people by bringing the offshored jobs home, he attacked the profits of the global corporations, and when he said he was going to normalize relations with Russia, he attacked the power and profit of the military/security complex. He is now paying the price for his rashness.

The larger question is: what price will the American people and the rest of the world pay for the constraints the military/security complex has placed on Trump’s ability to normalize relations with Russia?

Comments

BobEore stizazz Fri, 12/08/2017 - 23:29 Permalink

"The power of the military/security complex and the Israel Lobby..."Forced... by popular resistance to his previous rhetorical rulebook whereby the tiny terror statelet in the s e Med got a free pass in the form of NO MENTION in his fake news narrative...to now include the formerly excluded in his fairy tales, CPR gives us a further refinement in the art of the LIMITED HANGOUT. It's the dawn - in other words - of a new day in talmudist agit-prop... whereby we will be force-fed 'hoax stories' within hoax stories... such as -

"What Flynn did was entirely appropriate and has nothing to do with the hoax story of Russiagate. The real reason that the military/security complex is after Gen. Flynn is that he is the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and he said on a TV news show that the decision by the Obama regime to send ISIS to overthrow Syria was a “willful decision” that went against his recommendation. In other words, Flynn let the cat out of the bag that ISIS was not an independently formed organization".....

Let's deconstruct the towering lego set of lies within deceptions... to see what lies on the other side of hype.a) we now know that Flynn was a 'made man' of the Red Mafiya Russo-Sraeli Talmudic criminal cabal which owns the MIC... in addition to pretty much everything else in the world of financial extortion rackets and derivatives trading 'free-enterprise.'b)as such, he posed as a neo-con anti-Islamist pushing for a 'world wide war' on Islamic terror - aka the phony psyop made by mossad. Out 'pork-barrelin' the slimiest of swine in the swamp... St Mike buried his snout in so many schemes designed to make 'some folks' rich... as to be the envy of retired generals and bagmen of despots the world over! Creatively combining a career in heh heh heh... 'public service' - and a key job in the new administration, with good ol fashioned influence peddlin to foreign entities...in Ankara - who are in turn but dogsbodys for their Russo-Sraeli owner/operators -  our saintly hero proved himself the SWAMP CRITTER par excellence...non pareil...without doubt... etc., etc.,c)the smokescreen of an entirely fake "russiagate" created and supported by BOTH SIDES OF the fake news peddlin ONEMEDIA, for the purpose of distracting everyone from the really real dirty deal taking place in front of a sightless and soul less complicit media... has AT ITS BEDROCK BOTTOM A SLIVER OF TRUTH... as with all successful psyops... on which to build a towering inferno of deception. Which brings us to the moneyshot... at last...d)The interlocking web of neo-gnostical, fake judean, sabbatean ashkenazi criminal mafiyas... emanating from the diverse loci of eastern-European marches, Russo-Ukranian steppe lands, Caucaus mountain hangouts, Turco-Salonikan Donmeh hookah HQs... and hooker n heroin tradin Merikan Meyer Lansky type casino-based crime cabals which  kill POTUSs they don't like, and groom/mentor ones they do... has gone all out - via it's media channels... to make sure that no one is paying attention... as they GRISLY GOLDMANITE SACK N PILLAGE OF DC rises to its' crescendo...and Merikans can be suitably left in the dark  - about the coming "BEND A KNEE" - TO THE NEW JERUSALEM NOAHIDE masters of the universe who use skanks like St Mike to instrument their full spectrum dominance over this sorry ol world.

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Ms No BobEore Sat, 12/09/2017 - 00:33 Permalink

It's starting to seem pretty apparent that this crazy train isn't slowing down until it collapses on itself in epic fashion.  Issues with Russia, Iran and China will help this along.  I don't see any reason to stress out about it, and actually it's a somewhat of a relief to know that there is very little we can do (fighting this shit was always exhausting and nearly a worthless effort of next to zero returns and big consequences).  None of us will be stopping this it will stop itself in a giant implosion of stupidity.  I wonder what snide terms will be used to label this empire in the future.  

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Slack Jack 07564111 Sat, 12/09/2017 - 01:34 Permalink

And what price will the American people and the rest of the world pay for Trumps obsession with Israel; a country that never existed before 1948?

What is weird is this; that 2000 years ago, there were no people even resembling Jews in the middle-east at all.

Turns out that there is not a single ancient Jewish city in what is now called Israel. There is not a single city where the Hebrew script is used on the statues and buildings. There is not a single city where the buildings are in the ancient Jewish architectural style. In fact, there is not even a category of "ancient Jewish architectural style".

If you check out all the ancient cities in Israel, they are all Greek, and their ruins are still there for you to visit. Their inscriptions are in the Greek script and the buildings are in the ancient Greek architectural styles.

Here is a list of some of the known ancient Greek cities in (and near) Israel; Ecdippa, Seleucia, Ptolemais, Taricheia Arbela, Asochis, Sepphoris, Hippos, Dion, Sycaminum, Bucolon Polis, Itabyrium, Gadara, Abila, Dora, Comus, Gephrus, Crocodilion Polis, Caesarea, Straton's Tower, Narbata, Scythopolis, Pella, Samaria, Amathus, Ragaba, Gerasa, Apollonia, Sicima, Pegae, Joppa, Arimathea, Jamnia, Port of Jamnia, Lydda, Modiin, Aphaerema, Philadelphia, Birtha, Gazara, Beth Horon, Dok, Jericho, Samaga, Esbus, Medaba, Ladder of Tyre, Azotus, Port of Azotus, Accaron, Jerusalem, Ascalon, Anthedon, Gaza, Marissa, Beth Zur, Hebron, Adora, Engeddi.

The ancient Jewish cities in Israel are,.... well there aren't any. Not even one.

Here's an interesting example of a first century BC Greek inscription (i.e., in Greek letters) from Jerusalem's Temple Mount forbidding the entry of Gentiles (i.e., non-Greeks) to the Temple precinct....

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ancient-temple-mount-warning-stone-is-clo…

Slack Jack's CHALLENGE:

Name ONE ancient city (that existed in what is now called Israel) where the building inscriptions are all in Hebrew, and the buildings are constructed in the ancient Hebrew architectural style (whatever that may be).

Then give a summary of "the ancient Hebrew architectural style" (you will have to make this up as it does not yet exist).

Then give links to photos of the ancient building inscriptions which show that they are in written in Hebrew (annotated floor mosaics are great).

Then show that the buildings are constructed in the ancient Hebrew architectural style (that you have just defined/invented).

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Escrava Isaura house biscuit Sat, 12/09/2017 - 03:36 Permalink

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Engineering ‘abusing’ History Paul Craig Roberts: I agree that the lies go back a long way. Exactly. It goes back to the foundation of America. Taking the land by killing the US indigenous people. Invade Texas and California to take the land from the Mexicans. Try to invade Canada twice to incorporate its land. Try to invade Cuba. About 150 years of slavery ‘cheap labor’. Now Roberts ‘conservatives’ want to turn this empire switch off? Good luck finding the switch because it doesn’t exist. And this switch can’t exist either, if conservatives want to have the American middleclass lifestyle which they do.   Also, Roberts is critical of economic deregulation, privatization of social services, and easy money. How will Roberts square off with Trump that favors these? Or better, how did Roberts square off these with his former boss, President Reagan, while Roberts was at the Treasury? Would like to know why Roberts didn’t do anything back then? Easy, because under capitalism, it doesn’t matter if capitalism is run by liberals or conservatives, if he had said the truth, he would have paid a price. He would have lost his job.  

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IntTheLight Escrava Isaura Sat, 12/09/2017 - 04:45 Permalink

Mexico invited Americans into what is now Texas to fight the indigenous for them. They reproduced and bingo, claimed Texas. No different than what Mexico is now doing throughout Southwest, not by invitation, but by encouring illegal migration of Mexicans to America.

And how can Asians be indigenous to the Americas? No more indigenous than the Europeans. Who did the Asians mass murder and replace upon their arrival after crossing the Bering Straits?

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jeff montanye IntTheLight Sat, 12/09/2017 - 06:38 Permalink

that's why refighting old wars to determine future actions is not the most productive use of one's time: the historical recreation is dependent on accuracy of historical knowledge which tends to fade or be unknown altogether.but as to the present, and michael flynn, trump can always pardon him.  perhaps both he and trump want him to testify about what general flynn knows.  might be educational for the woefully ignorant u.s. electorate.as far as president trump's obsession with israel, well might he have one: israel ran the epic false flag of 9-11, then seven countries in five years, sucking five or six trillion dollars and sixteen years that the u.s. could have better spent.  oh and killed upwards of two million largely innocent people, putting the u.s. in the big leagues with history's greatest monsters.  thanks brave little ally.so trump has a plan to change all this: give the israelis palestine in law as well as practice and make them take the palestinians as well, as full, voting israeli citizens.  much better for the palestinians then spending another seventy years in abuse and servitude and persecution chasing the fantasy of the "two state solution".  solve the motherfucker right now, right there.  done.also much better for us, for the world at large, and, when all is considered, for the israelis and the jews in the diaspora.

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skbull44 jeff montanye Sat, 12/09/2017 - 08:54 Permalink

"...the historical recreation is dependent on accuracy of historical knowledge which tends to fade or be unknown altogether...."Too true. Just in the process of watching Oliver Stone's The Untold History of the United States and its amazing how little alternative 'facts' (interpretations?) make it into the dominant narratives that are propagated by the media (print & film) and the political class. The twists of logic and blatent misinformation that pervades all the stories we are told are just fantastical... https://olduvai.ca

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HowdyDoody skbull44 Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:31 Permalink

The US isn't walking into Armageddon, it is running.

The Russian MOD has just released a statement that on 23 November, US and Russian air forces almost came into conflict. A US F-22 pilot actively interfered with attempts by two Russian Su-25s to attack ISIS positions near al Mayadin. The F-22 released decoy flares and performed maneuvers simulating combat. The F-22 high tailed it to Iraq when a Russian Su-35 came in to find out what was going on.

This incident occurred at the time when the US allowed unknown numbers of ISIS fighters to escape or be rescued into territory controlled by its proxies in the east bank of the Euphrates.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/12/official-us-and-russian-air-forces.html

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veritas semper… jeff montanye Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:42 Permalink

It's all nice and kosher,but there are a few problems with your theory:-you assume that the Donald is an honest man ,and he puts ,as he has said in his inaugural speech "America first,America first" ; well ,I can  only see Is...Ra...El first,second,third  ... ,Saudi Arabia,somewhere along the line( for the petrodollar reasons and the spreading of wahhabi takfiri ideology,you know the one recruiting the jihadis used by the See Eye Ayy ,Mo$$ad,Em Eye 6 to spread democracy and freedom,one bomb at a time) ; I can not see anywhere America first. But I may have this problem of thinking that when you say America,you mean ,us ,little people ,whose HOPES for  CHANGE for MAGA have been crushed along with their standard of living,their aspirations for a better life for themselves and for their children,who have become irrelevant . They,the chosen ruling us,when they say America,they mean THEM,their needs ,their Billion  $ standard of living,their ownership of America for them and their offspring.-regarding the Donald 's plan to change the death grip of the chosen on America,I think you have unjustified hopes.I will leave links for two great articles about the last ME blunder and tribe infestation of the White House.     http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/in-syria-peacemaking-is…    http://animeright.news/zanting/ira-greenstein-jared-kushners-white-hous… at the members of GENIE ENERGY .LTD and tell me what you think - you think that America will continue to lead negotiations in the ME.It won't.America can no longer dictate its will. It can not force the Palestinians to do what the US/Is..Ra..El want.There are honest brokers around and this time they are going to solve the mess US has made.If the US/Donald/Is..Ra..El wanted this one state solution,you think they needed to pour a cistern of gasoline over fire? How about they just negotiate ,in good faith,from the very beginning this ,without creating havoc first. No,this move was done for one reason only:they lost big in Syria,Iraq,they are DESPERATE and need to create another casus belli,this time BIG to justify OVERT US army involvement.ISIS,their excuse for being there ,was eliminated ,and they need something else. I was expecting a false flag,something big.I did not think they would do this,but now I see it was what you call a" Hail Mary". Abbas says there is no way at this point that the Palestinians can trust the US to be a mediator, saying Trump’s move encourages Israel to continue the occupation and expansion of settlements, undermining the two-state solution. 

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Lordflin Escrava Isaura Sat, 12/09/2017 - 06:15 Permalink

Escrava, occassionally I read your post. They are always amusing. We took California and Texas from the Mexicans??? There were no Mexicans here you idiot. More over, the claim to Texas and California had been a Spanish claim. Mexico never, I repeat, never owned California or Texas.The mistake we made with Mexico was returning their country to them after they were conquered. It would have been better for us, and far better for them, if we had simply annexed it. Given the politics of the time however (any territory South of the Mason-Dixon line was to be admitted as slave, and the North was not about to place all that land and all those people within Southern influence) it was simply not possible.Leave here you idiot... I am sick to death of ignorant shits like you...

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Escrava Isaura Lordflin Sat, 12/09/2017 - 08:36 Permalink

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Mexico Independency from Spain: 1821  US Invasion of Mexico: 1846 Cuba 2nd War of Independency From Spain: 1898. Same year US tried to invade it.   Now on the politics of the time: Your second paragraph is correct. The Whig Party, anti-imperialists, and anti-slavery Americans were opposed the invasion. Mexico and the indigenous people were the weakest so that left them devastated to the point that most were never able to recover. Keep in mind that most Californios, people that were born in California and were Mexicans Citizens favored British annexation but Americans back then hated the British more so than the Mexicans. They would have none of them.     

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IntTheLight Escrava Isaura Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:05 Permalink

The Californio’s (as you call them) numbered in the thousands and were Spaniards.

And I will repeat this again, the indigenous you refer to are indigenous to Asia not the Americas.

I believe Napoleon ruled Mexico at one point also.

Regardless, those darling indigenous did not engineer the great feat that is the San Francisco Golden Gate bridge. They did not envision Napa or create restaurants like French Laundry. The indigenous had nothing to do with the birth of Hollywood. And they had nothing in common with the midwestern Protestant white men who came and built the defense industry, leading to the high tech hub.

Those indigenous however surely loved sacrificing and eating and scalping humans. They make London’s tower of torture look like child’s play.

Let’s face it. You suffer from envy and covetousness. And are the most mean spirited writer.

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Lordflin IntTheLight Sat, 12/09/2017 - 12:44 Permalink

Technically it was Napolean the third that ruled Mexico for a time via Maximilian the first as his proxy. Napolean the third was a milk toast Frenchman, nothing like his more famous relative. He attemtped to use the American Civil War as cover for a play in the Western Hemisphere. His reign lasted only a short while from 1864 to 1867.

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Lordflin Escrava Isaura Sat, 12/09/2017 - 12:34 Permalink

Is there no end to your stupidity?? Once again there were but a handful of Mexicans in California and Texas.  Mexico had absolutely no claim to those territories by international standards... nor had they ever in the history of their sordid, brutal empire.Annexation of California and Texas was as certain as water runs down hill... or it does in this part of the world. As upside down as your universe is there is no telling.Your ideology derives itself from ignorance. Looking up a couple of dates on the internet does not an education make. You may want to ply your trade amongst a less educated readership... or what is left of it here, as it seems we are sliding into ideological hell...

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Snout the First Lordflin Sat, 12/09/2017 - 11:21 Permalink

In 1821 there were barely 2,000 Hispanics in Texas, just barely hanging on in two small settlements, Brexar (San Antonio) and El Paso. The Native Americans kicked them out of the rest of Texas. California was similar, with several small settlements along the coastline. Ever wonder why gold wasn't discovered in California until Sutter's Mill? Because there weren't any Hispanics anywhere close to where the gold was found, because the Native Americans kicked them out too. Now you might think that 5,000 or so Hispanics established sovereignty to all of California and Texas in perpetuity, but I sure as hell do not.

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Escrava Isaura Snout the First Sat, 12/09/2017 - 15:44 Permalink

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You could use the same argument about Massachusetts and New York indigenous. The indigenous were there first but we killed them and took their land because wasn’t meant to be theirs anyway. The indigenous even have a name for those whites: The town destroyers or something similar.  

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SeaMonkeys Escrava Isaura Sat, 12/09/2017 - 07:39 Permalink

What you say is true about conservatives today. I don't agree with you about Paul Craig Roberts specifically. He has changed as the realities of neoliberalism and neoconservativism have set in. Look at the books he has written over the years. He is a very observant political economist.But getting back to your point about conservatives: It's ironic that today the Liberals are the pro-war patriots and the conservatives are anti-war. For 50 years it's been the other way around. Conservatives today never admit they made mistakes about empire building via war and aggression.No one on the right has the courage to admit they were wrong about the pro war stance of conservativism. No one on the right has the courage to admit that worshipping free markets can be overdone. For the right, crony capitalism is good capitalism. Examples are not hard to find: Look at how the GOP does nothing to prevent another Wells Fargo. Nothing to prevent another Equifax. Nothing to repair the damage done by the repeal of Glass-Steagal. So on and so forth.The Liberals deserve the same amount of criticism I am giving the conservatives, but I'll save it for another comment.GOP = Fake PopulismDemocrats = Fake Concern

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A. Boaty SeaMonkeys Sat, 12/09/2017 - 07:47 Permalink

You got it backwards. The traditional conventional wisdom had the (D) as the war party, good for the economy, and the (R) more likely to keep out of war, but not good for economic growth.

In fact, both political parties help maintain the status quo. With respect to liberals and conservatives, one can find anti-war sentiment in both, but not in the majority.

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SeaMonkeys A. Boaty Sat, 12/09/2017 - 23:56 Permalink

Sorry, but the modern Democratic Party has become the old party of Lincoln, the Republicans. The Democrats are the socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. The Rockefeller Republicans of yesterday are today's modern Democrats.The modern GOP is the old party of Andrew Jackson. The modern GOP is the party of George Wallace. The parties have, over the decades, switched bases. Both are in the service of their clients, their elites. The more they can whip up their respective bases into a frenzy over identity politics and values, the more legitimacy each party has in the media and hence the public's eye, and the political process "appears" to have meaning.The real meaning of our political process is to maintain the bottom 99% on the treadmill of ever decreasing returns to work.

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Escrava Isaura SeaMonkeys Sat, 12/09/2017 - 08:55 Permalink

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The same can be said of libertarianism and socialism. Americans totally changed the meaning of those words. But why? Because the American elites, be that conservative or liberal, are very good propagandists/indoctrinators. Or, maybe, the population is too immature and/or unsophisticated. But, most likely, religion and capitalism overwhelming them with nonsense to the point that critical thinking is not just allowed, it can not even be found, because it never had a chance to develop. Some great examples of a lack of critical thinking are having 2/3 babies, electric car, electric money, 72 virgins in paradise, and god’s son coming to rescue humanity on a flying horse. Actually, with this thinking, I am surprised humanity still around.     

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IntTheLight Escrava Isaura Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:15 Permalink

Africans have about 9 kids each. Arabs seem to have 9 with each of their wives. We have a huge overpopulation problem. China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Africa, and throughout the Arab world. Let’s address that.

And those cultures are not into natural beauty or the health of animals, birds, fish etc. Due to Chinese superstition we are looking at losing tigers and elephants.

92% of the world is having way too many children and defecating everywhere. And they all want to flood the West as they have destroyed their own countries.

Look at Vancouver. Immigrants paving over the whole place. Same in California. No love of beauty.

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veritas semper… IntTheLight Sat, 12/09/2017 - 11:40 Permalink

"And those cultures are not into natural beauty or the health of animals, birds, fish etc."As opposed to the American/Western cultures with their GMO/Pesticides/insecticides/killing of bee colonies/over fishing/fracking and destroying the soil and phreatic water/chemtrails poisoning soil/air/the destruction of the natural resources secondary to predatory capitalism...etcAre you serious or just monumentally ignorant?

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SeaMonkeys IntTheLight Sat, 12/09/2017 - 23:36 Permalink

Actually, the 3rd world has so many babies because children are their only ability to have a social safety net like Social Security and Medicare. This is what the West has done for thousands of years until the modern era. The reason most developing countries have no ability to afford and maintain a social safety net is because the U.S. has prevented them from industrializing and growing their economies around a value adding core. This is due to financialization, the same financialization that destroyed the manufacturing jobs in the American Rust Belt. The policy of not allowing manufacturing in satelite countries and colonies is the way empires work. England did it and it gave us World War 1. FDR and his New Dealers encouraged the 3rd world to manufacture and join the group of modern countries. He made this clear to Churchill, who wanted to continue the sadistic English policy of creating debt and deliberate poverty in England's colonies. FDR's forward thinking lasted for a generation, but the Cold War bankrupted the nation and gave us the end of Bretton Woods, which signalled the death of the American Dream.Like England a century ago, the U.S. is in the business of monopoly capitalism. We have no intention of allowing free markets and free competition. Why do you think small and medium sized businesses in the United States have to play bare-knuckles capitalism while 'too big to fail' corporations get to form monopolies and buy lawmakers in Washington? For the same reasons that the U.S. won't allow the 3rd world to manufacture its way to wealth.You should read developmental economists like Erik Reinert or Ha Joon Chang.The U.S., like England before it, is afraid of free markets. This is the real reason the American military is so huge and always at war. False flag attacks, fake humanitarian interventions, R2P (Right to Protect) doctrine from the U.N. allows us to go anywhere because we are 'saving' people. The only people we save are the American and global 1%'s hegemony over the 3 factors of production: Land, Labor, and Capital.Our military works for the global 1%. Not you and me. Certainly not for justice.

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SeaMonkeys IntTheLight Sat, 12/09/2017 - 23:29 Permalink

Actually, the 3rd world has so many babies because children are their only ability to have a social safety net like Social Security and Medicare. This is what the West has done for thousands of years until the modern era. The reason most developing countries have no ability to afford and maintain a social safety net is because the U.S. has prevented them from industrializing and growing their economies around a value adding core. This is the due to financialization, the same financialization that destroyed the manufacturing jobs in the American Rust Belt. The policy of not allowing manufacturing in satelite countries is the way empires work. England did it and it gave us World War 1. FDR and his New Dealers encouraged the 3rd world to manufacture and join the group of modern countries. He made this clear to Churchill, who wanted to continue the sadistic English policy of creating debt and deliberate poverty in England's satelite countries. FDR's forward thinking lasted for a generation, but the Cold War bankrupted the nation and gave us the end of Bretton Woods, which signalled the death of the American Dream.Like England a century ago, the U.S. is in the business of monopoly capitalism. We have no intention of allowing free markets and free competition. Why do you think small and medium sized businesses in the United States have to play bare-knuckles capitalism while 'too big to fail' corporations get to form monopolies and buy lawmakers in Washington? For the same reasons that the U.S. won't allow the 3rd world to manufacture its way to wealth.You should read developmental economists like Erik Reinert or Ha Joon Chang.The U.S., like England before it, is afraid of free markets.  

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SeaMonkeys Escrava Isaura Sat, 12/09/2017 - 23:54 Permalink

I agree completely. It's why we have labor day in September while the rest of the world celebrates in May to commemorate the workers who were killed by the police in Chicago's Haymarket Square Massacre in 1886. The ability by the American elites to turn labor day inside out to be understood by average wage earners to mean a celebration of work and owning a business (I think this is how Paul Ryan recently put it) is an abomination.As long as Americans allow themselves to by psychologically programmed by the elites to cheerlead for the elites, we are doomed. The internet is the one hope we have. If we lose net neutrality, say goodbye to real political speech.Ending net neutrality means that the internet will become a giant TV, and Americans will once again, be mindless, limp, and full of fantasy.Conspicuous consumption has been the American model for generations. It is how the elites control us. It's a drug. It keeps us on a high and in fantasy instead of reality.Consumer choice is good to the extent that it encourages free competition, but when the choices originate from the same cartel of corporations masquerading as diversity, "consumer choice" is a drug that creates social and political impotence. 

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two hoots house biscuit Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:25 Permalink

 The last thing the MIC wants is a major world conflict/war, not a good business model.  They prefer regional conflicts they know the US can endure for a time.  Something that requires equipping and large contracts to support the inferior force we are……(gulp).. helping and deployments, lots of deployments and rotations.  Ending after a long duration of something close to a near loss or a fatigued pullout at the end.   Then the need to rebuild, refit, refurbish the force as we are not ready, again. They make money on all sides of a conflict.  They need cyclic conflicts to keep it going.  Course the need for a formidable threat is always there as bread and butter in the meantime.  They want Russia to be aggressive, stirring the pot,  as that always invites opportunity especially in NATO region, hence sanctions to piss them off and goat them on.It’s more complicated than that but that’s my short… opinion.

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jeff montanye ebworthen Sat, 12/09/2017 - 06:45 Permalink

i disagree.  the u.s. electorate is largely still sheeple.  the demonstration lesson of mueller's investigation when teased out in its entirety will be of enormous use in teaching "the people" what the fuck is actually going on.there is always time for arrest later.  mueller has no shortage of crimes with no statutes of limitations on them.

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fleur de lis Slack Jack Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:30 Permalink

The DC Swamp dwellers have become a family of angry rats, lashing out in all directions with whatever power they have.It's not about America and has not been for a while -- it's about the Swampites and the death grip they have on all of us.They are criminally insane with anger over the political, financial, cultural, and realignment of Russia, Iran, China, and India because it means they will lose money.If the Swamp dwellers were not so incurably obsessed with the destruction of one nation after another, they would be able to form foreign alignments, too.But that requires thinking, historical knowledge, planning, and constructive, long term goals, and the Swampites simply do not have the smarts.Maybe a few of them are smart, but the scammers are in charge so it doesn't matter.True depth of thought has never been the a part of the Swamp since all their plans are based on lies, scams, and theft ending in destruction and often death at home and abroad toward a goal of power and loot.And their vengeful power is disproportionate, as seen in the recent disgraceful ruling of the IOC to ban Russian athletes from the Olympics.They waited until now to announce the decision knowing very well that there would not be enough time for the Russians to respond.Very clever!Or was it?Does anyone really think that the Russians will forget this? Ever?They will bide their time and pay us back in due course.More than a few other countries have taken note too, so watch for rumblings of a new IOC or another similar organization to watch it.The IOC would never dare pull such a stunt without the goading of the Swamp in revenge for its loss of regional MidEast power and influence.They could have imposed any number of trade penalties without using athletes as hostages.So since they could not control Russia they figured they could lean on the IOC and punish the athletes instead.We have more than enough problems without insulting a major power on the world stage and thinking it will forever go unanswered.   

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fleur de lis veritas semper… Sat, 12/09/2017 - 14:41 Permalink

And they lost because they were drunk with power, and over the years became complacent, thinking that a few aerial attacks here and a few invasions there would always bring back the goods.Unable to understand the limits of stupidity in an ever changing world, along with the proliferation of electronic information, the Swampites overextended themselves.Unable to understand the limits of using the same century-old policy, the Swampites have not even considered cutting their losses and reorganizing.Any business of any size understands this if it wants to prosper, but DC seems to think otherwise, probably because of endless access to money.They just lay it on thicker and heavier expecting things to reverse back to the good old days.The DC Swamp dwellers are so stupid that they defy the laws of nature and expect a positive outcome.The Jerusalem decision makes no sense at this point since it is only of emotional value to Israel and the Jews, but is of quantifiable -- and completely avoidable-- trouble to the rest of the world.It is almost like DC intentionally ignited another conflict.The question is "why?"No point in heeding the official explanations since they are only cover stories.The truth will surface soon enough.    

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veritas semper… fleur de lis Sat, 12/09/2017 - 16:28 Permalink

Well said ,Sir. They applied the same pattern that they developed when Yugoslavia was destroyed. They wrote the "color revolution book" there with some Bosnian,Croatian and Serbian traitors.Do you know they have the nerve to teach this to different "students" in the countries they want attacked?They had great success there,then,in East Europe(like the so called Romanian Revolution,which was in fact a color revolution done by See Eye Ayy spooks. I know that for sure).They had success with the collapse of Russia and the fact that US was the only,undisputed superpower, Hegemon.They applied the same steps of a color revolution everywhere.In Syria,they were stopped,and it was done by the Resistance axis. Double bummer.I think that this "Hail Mary" with Jerusalem was done to spread violence,expect  some civilian deaths that they can pin on Hezbollah,Russia,Iran,Syria,Palestine,and this will justify the US military intervention there(because ISIS is gone and they have no reason to be in the ME anymore)Those Whom the Gods wish to destroy,they first make mad 

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TuPhat Slack Jack Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:35 Permalink

Have you ever been to a foriegn country jack?  All the signs at the airports are in english and many other signs in non english speaking countries are in english.  Greek was the international language in the days you are talking about and yet you seem to think they could not have inscriptions in greek.  You amaze me with your lack of knowledge and understanding.  Your conclusions thus lack any merit.

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Ms No 07564111 Sat, 12/09/2017 - 01:52 Permalink

I think worst case scenario people like us will die pretty quick.  If you look at the Bolshevik revolution and other games of these same people they target people like us very quickly.  They are major sadistic torturers when they take the mask off and so you never let them take you.  The torture sends waves of fear out meant to freeze the population in fear.  Maybe it collapse before it gets to that point.  For that we are damn lucky that Russia, China and Iran are giving resistance.  In a sick way we are extremely lucky that it's Syrain and Yemeni blood has been shed rather than our own.  They definitely always had us on the to do list though.  I'm worried about the viurses and other tech they have.  If they can't have it they will try to take it with them.  I really think the system is that pathological.  I also believe that it's highly likely that they will use their long term favorite weapon of mass starvation (happening in Yemen right now) and many here seem to be preparing for that.  I suspect that on the other side of this Russia is the future.   

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Escrava Isaura Ms No Sat, 12/09/2017 - 04:25 Permalink

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Ms No: I think worst case scenario people like us will die pretty quick. If you look at the Bolshevik revolution these same people they target people like us very quickly.  Who are us? Bolshevik revolution was a coup and not a revolution because the right-wingers took over.   They are major sadistic torturers when they take the mask off and so you never let them take you.  The torture sends waves of fear out meant to freeze the population in fear.  You’re reading too much into the conservative propaganda. There’s no evidence that these that you described will happen in the US.   In a sick way we are extremely lucky…. Yes, you’re correct, because Americans were the biggest beneficiaries of neoclassical/financialization/globalization compared to the rest of the world.   I really think the system is that pathological.  If your pathological means a mental disease, welcome to the club. Both liberals and conservatives suffer the same disease. The main difference is that the conservatives can’t face the mental disease while the liberals try to remedy it, such as in government assistance/welfare so the population doesn’t go at each other throats, because some can’t feed their family.   I suspect that on the other side of this Russia is the future.    Well, it’s not that simple. And below are the tree reasons: “Brace yourself! The American Empire is over. The descent is going to be horrifying!” — Chris Hedges, 2012 “United States is becoming a failed state, and thus a danger to its own people and the world.” – Noam Chomsky, 2006. “I do not think what we face is a problem. It is a predicament. And predicaments do not have solutions.” — Greg Machala, 2017   

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