Polexit Threat: EU Increasingly Upset About Poland Ignoring Rules

Authored by Mike Shedlock via www.themaven.net/mishtalk,

The Polish government increasingly defies EU rules. Since Poland is the largest aid recipient, the EU is hopping mad. 

Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic are all in open defiance of EU migration rules.

In addition, Poland's Law & Justice party move to take control of the courts was condemned by the European Parliament and European Commission.

The situation is now to the point where various countries want to shut off aid to Poland, but given the EU treaty makes penalizing countries extremely difficult.

Behind the noise of Brexit negotiations, the talk in the European Union this year has been that there’s potentially a bigger problem in the east. And the prospect of another rupture looks to be increasing.


The mood in Brussels is that EU institutions can no longer stand by and watch a country that’s the biggest net recipient of European aid thumb its nose without paying some sort of price. Few people are discussing Poland following Britain out of the bloc, but a protracted conflict is getting more likely.


Concerns about the shift in Poland triggered calls to limit access to EU funds for countries disrespecting the democratic rule of law.


This week, Poland’s refusal to take in mainly Muslim refugees was referred to the European Court of Justice along with Hungary and the Czech Republic.


“There is a growing feeling in Brussels that solidarity cannot be a one-way street, and that it becomes difficult to justify the 10 billion-euro per year net transfers for a country that is increasingly at odds with the bloc’s values,” said Bruno Dethomas, a senior policy adviser at GPLUS consultancy in Brussels and a former EU ambassador to Poland. “It is high time the EU reacted, or it risks losing its soul.”


“Hostility towards the EU is part of Law & Justice’s DNA, and if it was up to the party, Poland would leave the bloc,” said Marcin Matczak, a law professor at Warsaw University. “But Kaczynski knows he can’t do that because Poles are benefiting from EU membership. Hence, the party slowly builds a negative attitude towards EU -- while declaring that Poland has no intention of leaving.”

What Can the EU Do?

A fundamental problem in if EU treaty makes the situation difficult to address.

It takes unanimous agreement to do practically anything. Trade treaties are especially difficult. And there is no way to kick a country out of the block.

This problem was well understood from the outset, but Germany never wanted to be in a position where other countries could outvote it.

So here we are.

If the EU does find a way to punish Poland and cut off funds, it may drive Poland out of the block. The same applies to the Czech Republic and Hungary over migration rules.

Eventually things are going to splinter, and likely at the worst possible time.



wildbad Occident Mortal Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:31 Permalink

the Polish ans Hungarian positions on toxic Islam are two of the brightest points of hope currently in €urope.

Anyone who can't see the rationality of their position is in the enemy camp whether through ignorance or malice.

I don't try to convince those who don't want to be convinced so my militancy is growing.

The more free speech is throttled, as it most certainly is here in €urope , the more likely this will end in a bloody fashion.

That is OK too.

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Haus-Targaryen wildbad Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:33 Permalink

While I would love to see the entire Eastern Block give Brussels the finger and tell them to sodomize themselves, the Eastern Europeans will stay in the block and deal with the bullshit as long as they get tons of free cash from the German tax payer.  When the "gibs" dry up, so will their interest in remaining part of the club. Christ, German politicians are literally the worst on the planet.  Someone dig up von Bismarck -- his corpse would likely do a better job than the people running the show now. 

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BuddyEffed AldousHuxley Mon, 12/11/2017 - 17:36 Permalink

Cheap labor requires cheap resources and easy access to them too. That's the forward looking disconnect these not the smartest guys in the room and influencers from over the top missed on this.

Resource constraints tend to idle weakly positioned laborers. And if they are not local workers and they are displaced foreigners then there is a tendency for bigger problems.

Note that the oligarchs and billionaires are pushing for their "me" first agendas with their tax breaks, trickle up and out, QE, bail ins, balance sheet and accounting tricks, and offshoring of both jobs and profits as examples. Why shouldn't the Poles pursue their own me first agenda?

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OverTheHedge God Emperor Mon, 12/11/2017 - 07:48 Permalink

My problem with your nasty little website is not the pornography - it is the fact that you are trying to earn a living off other people's misfortune. I know that these people should know better, and I appreciate that they are all self-absorbed, narcissistic, shallow hypocrites, but publishing other people's private photographs for your personal gain is simply immoral. You are scum. You are probably a merchant banker for your day job (I hope you understand the concept of rhyming slang).I only hope that someone at 4chan takes the time to make your obviously pathetic, sad little personal life embarrassingly public, just for the sake of journalistic balance.FOAD, scumbag.Oh, and stop pretending that you are part of the conversation - you are just a spammer, like all the other waste of time spammers that have come and gone over the years.

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World Cash Day wildbad Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:40 Permalink

Russian President Vladimir Putin must come out and declare that Russia expects Poland to be an integral part of the EU.it is vital for the stability of the EU that Putin affirms Russia's position that Poland must remain in the EU.Very important for Putin to do this - and repeatedly as he seeks re-election next year.Support Poland in the EU Vlad.

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SDShack Anasteus Mon, 12/11/2017 - 13:39 Permalink

 "...triggered calls to limit access to EU funds for countries disrespecting the democratic rule of law."LOL! Since when has the EU ever been interested in the democratic rule of law? The entire EU is nothing but global elites NWO trial balloon that requires heavy handed coercion of its member states and citizens whenever any crisis occurs as a result of it's ill-advised Brussel Mandates. It's nothing but an oligarchs wet dream propped up by financial terrorists and the security state. The EU is a Neo Feudal System, and will collapse just like Europes failed Feudal States of old.

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Ghordius Occident Mortal Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:40 Permalink

nope. probably just re-arrange structural development funds

but look: China is dangling billions for that, and the US are dangling weapon sales at excellent conditions, too

that's excellent, really. Poland has... choices. More China, more US. and exit from the "Tyrannical Club That Is The EU" /heavy sarcasm

DUH. what's next? a love piece about Belarussia? oh, strike that, too friendly to Russia. how about a piece on that little republic that Greece hates when people call it "Macedonia"?

that's the fun of ZH: evidence can be overwhelming... but bias wins, always

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Haus-Targaryen Ghordius Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:44 Permalink

I would imagine that if the EU changed their "values" from "tolerance" and "diversity" to "national pride" and "cultural homogeneity" and actually tried acting like a weak confederacy as opposed to a federation in the pipelines, I would imagine much push-back against the project would disappear.    

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Ghordius Haus-Targaryen Mon, 12/11/2017 - 06:19 Permalink

are you trying to provoke me into ad-homs?

here. this very article. National Values. differing, strongly

you are... like drunk. on "the EU" koolaid. a kind of "inverted Schultz"... but, interestingly, pushing for federation instead of the loose proto-confederation we have

National Matters belong to the Nation State. i.e. Poland

Culture belongs to the Culture Group. i.e. Poland

yes, two statements of... european Tolerance. of which you don't seem to have any, always looking for strenght above "weakness"

There Is No Such EU As You Are Trying To Paint. there is... Poland, Germany, Spain, etc. Members And Sovereigns. Neighbours, too

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SoDamnMad Occident Mortal Mon, 12/11/2017 - 06:11 Permalink

Poland has probably the most efficient defense force in all of Europe.  I think it's overall combat troops are better trained and motivated. It's armament  is pretty good even without NATO (US) equipment.  Germany who is the European MIC in terms of sales has the most broken down army and air force. Of course if there is fighting the Germans will probably try to negotiate another Molotov-Ribbentropp deal in order to keep the Nordstream gas flowing and avoiding civilian casualties and infrastructure destruction. But I guess it is Germany over all.

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PolishAmerican SpanishGoop Mon, 12/11/2017 - 20:07 Permalink

FYI for anyone to have lived in a country of LAW. POLAND is a LAWLESS country. COURTs are extremely CORRUPT. One judge (usualy a 30yo woman with no real life or LAW experience - most of judges(70%+) in Poland ARE WOMEN) decicdes a case. They can do whatever thye want, including defaming and harassing witnesses. NO LAW NO JURY TRIAL. One of the MOST CORRUPT PLACES you can ever live in. It is THE opposite of US - sexual harassment gets the _harassed_ fired instantly, women are treated like TRASH at work and sexual interactions are often coerced at work (I am a US republican/libertarian not a US democrat  but what I see in POLAND...insanity)POLAND is super corrupt. especially Judges and Courts. DAs do NOTHING. Stalking laws are not enforced. Data theft of patient data is RAMPANT at Jagiellonian University Med School. Physicians who objecte to it were dismissed. Poland is a LAWLESS COUNTRY for anyone accustomed to US law and rule of law. OK country to visit but do not count on the legal system as if you get driven over by a car your family will not get a penny - you must have been drunk obviosuly ...or it was a REAL ACCIDENT your family will be told. It is WORSE than worst 3rd world countries. Recently a sales woman at a corporation AT WORK in Poland WAS WALKING among employees - her boss promised her $3K for the deed. Such behaviors are OK in Poland. Poland is a 3rd world country. My kids will NEVER live in Poland. it is a TRASH LAWLESS CONTRY with schools at the very end fo Shanghai list yet pretenses to be a civilized place. It is a LAWLESS PIT.

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SmittyinLA Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:10 Permalink

€10,000,000,000./ year in debt posed as "free money" till bankrupt and a 3Rd* world occuption Or....

National sovereignty

*3rd world occupation comes with eventual bankruptcy, ethnic cleansing, warfare and starvation and mass murder

Got water?

kikk Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:09 Permalink

It's interesting to note that when the 28 EU commisioners voted for a president Jean Claude Drunkard was voted in by 26 votes to 2The 2 were the UK and Poland

Ghordius kikk Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:26 Permalink

EU Commissioners don't vote for such. try National Governments

specifically, PM Cameron voted against Juncker. note, in this, that Juncker was selected first by the EPP convention, and got the vote of 26 Prime Ministers, including... Pm Orban of Hungary. and the majority of votes of the EU Parliament, of course

(it's a bit as if he got all US governors bar two and Congress behind him, if you go for impossible comparisons. better: all States legislatures bar two and the Senate)

another idiotic piece. blows holes in the meme of "tyrannical EU", this "Poland does not respect the common rules", but... nobody notices, of course. we are here for the "rah, rah", after all

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SoDamnMad Ghordius Mon, 12/11/2017 - 06:15 Permalink

The EU bitches about Poland cutting trees in an ancient forest area to stem the ravages of the bark beetles but Germany goes and does the same thing for the Hambach open pit mine so that more coal can be dug and burned.  Sure Germany can get upset at Trump withdrawing from the Paris Accord but he isn't exactly championing coal production.

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alus land_of_the_few Mon, 12/11/2017 - 06:58 Permalink

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/germany-wild-bison-shot-dead-250-year… - Germans just shot the bison that dared to cross the border from Polish side. He was able to travel whole Poland untouched, admired, people made plenty of photos, and just after crossing the border.... they killed him. As you can see old way of doing things don't change. Their grandfathers' gens..

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BritBob Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:10 Permalink

 The Crazy EU- GibraltarMEPs and legal experts have claimed the veto over the territory’s future after Brexit would give Spain special status among EU nation, when they should be on an equal level.The EU’s Brexit negotiating guidelines stated that the Brexit deal will not apply to Gibraltar without an “agreement between the kingdom of Spain and the UK”.Experts have told the Telegraph that the veto could be illegal under EU law.Spain's Gibraltar claim has NO legitimacy and YES would be illegal.They've effectively signed the territory away 3x times!Gibraltar – Spanish Myths and Agreements (single page): https://www.academia.edu/34608739/Gibraltar_Spanish_Myths_and_Agreements

OverTheHedge BritBob Mon, 12/11/2017 - 07:59 Permalink

"Spain claims that the Treaty of Utrecht (which ironically is the agreement that caused them to officially lose Gibraltar) is the ticket to their sovereignty over the territory in modern times. Despite the United Kingdom declaring Gibraltar an overseas territory, Spain argues that Gibraltar is nearly self-governing, and therefore no longer falls under the jurisdiction of Britain. Consequently, the Gibraltarian people are the “others” mentioned in the Treaty of Utrecht who should not have claim to the land, because it must return “to the Crown of Spain,” if Britain should separate itself. (Heasman, 1966) They see the free choices of the Gibraltarians to be an insult, because they are not “indigenous,” and as a result, “are not a ‘colonial’ people, but rather, a ‘colonizing’ people.” (Spain Exchange) Furthermore, they make the argument that Britain should not be allowed to still hold a colony in the modern world, and should return the property to it’s rightful pre-colonial owner; Spain. (Spain Exchange) Geographically, Spain has reason to claim Gibraltar, as it is located on the country’s southern border, and according to them is situated on Spanish territory. (Spanish Exchange) Historically, Gibraltar was part of the Spanish Empire for many years, “from the Reconquista through the War of Spanish Succession.” (Grant, 2002) They have not had legal control over it for over three centuries."I think Spain might have a point, and as the UK has given Gibraltar self-determination, then they have intentionally given it away, so it by rights belongs to Spain. Shit out of luck, as far as I can see.

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alus Mon, 12/11/2017 - 05:25 Permalink

1. Poland already took 2 mln refugees from Ukraine in last 5 years. This is almost the same amount as many EU countries together...2. We don't want muslim migrants, non-checked, criminal, mostly iliterate&uneducated mass to create no-go zones as in France, Sweden or Germany...3. From each 1 EUR of "aid" - 85 cents returns to Germany immediately via german companies winning the "deals". In public sector all infrastructure is to be financed in 50% by local government entities - so they increase their debt where? In German banks...4. Poland's bye from EU means end of EU. We already have been living under USSR occupation by 50 years, EU reminds exactly the same way of acting, "ruling", and punishing as before, but this time under BLUE flags instead of RED one. The same ideology of rulling...5. Germany never paid for WW2 destroying of whole country, killing 6 mln people (3mln was Jews with polish citizenship!), stealing arts. Poland lost the most during the war, but now Germany says - "it was long time ago, so there's no problem". Funny they are...6. When new pro-polish government won the elections the trade deficit just decreased with many bln $ each year. Before, when Civic Platform has been rulling, each year there were minus 20-40 bln $ in favour of german and french companies.Poland is switching toward USA. So this is the big ache in the ass of Germany. So they spread such propaganda like this.