Pat Buchanan Asks "What Should We Fight For?"

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“We will never accept Russia’s occupation and attempted annexation of Crimea,” declaimed Rex Tillerson last week in Vienna.


“Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns full control of the peninsula to Ukraine.”

Tillerson’s principled rejection of the seizure of land by military force - “never accept” - came just one day after President Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and pledged to move our embassy there.

How did Israel gain title to East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Golan Heights? Invasion, occupation, colonization, annexation.

Those lands are the spoils of victory from Israel’s 1967 Six-Day War.

Is Israel being severely sanctioned like Russia? Not quite.

Her yearly U.S. stipend is almost $4 billion, as she builds settlement after settlement on occupied land despite America’s feeble protests.

What Bibi Netanyahu just demonstrated is that, when dealing with the Americans and defending what is vital to Israel, perseverance pays off. Given time, the Americans will accept the new reality.

Like Bibi, Vladimir Putin is a nationalist. For him, the recapture of Crimea was the achievement of his presidency. For two centuries that peninsula had been home to Russia’s Black Sea Fleet and critical to her security.

Putin is not going to return Crimea to Kiev, and, eventually, we will accept this new reality as well.

For while whose flag flies over Crimea has never been crucial to us, it is to Putin. And like Israelis, Russians are resolute when it comes to taking and holding what they see as rightly theirs.

Both these conflicts reveal underlying realities that help explain America’s 21st-century long retreat. We face allies and antagonists who are more willing than are we to take risks, endure pain, persevere and fight to prevail.

This month, just days after North Korea tested a new ICBM, national security adviser H. R. McMaster declared that Trump “is committed to the total denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.”

If so, we are committed to a goal we almost surely are not going to achieve. For, short of a war that could go nuclear, Kim Jong Un is not going to yield to our demands.

For Kim, nuclear weapons are not an option.

He knows that Saddam Hussein, who had given up his WMD, was hanged after the Americans attacked. He knows the grisly fate of Moammar Gadhafi, after he invited the West into Libya to dismantle his nuclear program and disarm him of any WMD.

Kim knows that if he surrenders his nuclear weapons, he has nothing to deter the Americans should they choose to use their arsenal on his armed forces, his regime, and him.

North Korea may enter talks, but Kim will never surrender the missiles and nukes that guarantee his survival. Look for the Americans to find a way to accommodate him.

Consider, too, China’s proclaimed ownership of the South China Sea and her building on reefs and rocks in that sea, of artificial islands that are becoming air, missile and naval bases.

Hawkish voices are being raised that this is intolerable and U.S. air and naval power must be used if necessary to force a rollback of China’s annexation and militarization of the South China Sea.

Why is this not going to happen?

While this area is regarded as vital to China, it is not to us. And while China, a littoral state that controls Hainan Island in that sea, is a legitimate claimant to many of its islets, we are claimants to none.

Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan are the other claimants. But though their interests in the fishing grounds and seabed resources may be as great as China’s, none has seen fit to challenge Beijing’s hegemony.

Why should we risk war with China to validate the claims of Communist Vietnam or Rodrigo Duterte’s ruthless regime in Manila? Why should their fight become our fight?

China’s interests in the sea are as crucial to her as were U.S. interests in the Caribbean when, a rising power in 1823, we declared the Monroe Doctrine. Over time, the world’s powers came to recognize and respect U.S. special interests in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico.

Given the steady rise of Chinese military power, the proximity of the islets to mainland China, the relative weakness and reluctance to confront of the other claimants, China will likely become the controlling power in the South China Sea, as we came to be the predominant power in the Western Hemisphere.

What we are witnessing in Crimea, across the Middle East, in the South China Sea, on the Korean peninsula, are nations more willing than we to sacrifice and take risks, because their interests there are far greater than ours.

What America needs is a new national consensus on what is vital to us and what is not, what we are willing to fight to defend and what we are not.

For this generation of Americans is not going to risk war, indefinitely, to sustain some Beltway elite’s idea of a “rules-based new world order.” After the Cold War, we entered a new world — and we need new red lines to replace the old.


redmudhooch Dec 12, 2017 8:13 PM Permalink

I think we should fight the ones that attacked us on 9/11, Las Vegas, USS LibertyYou know those money worshiping fucks that killed JFK..Israel. Saudis, The International bankers, MIC, International corporationsThey are the enemy, and the corrupt fucktards in DC call them an ally.Drive them out! Merry Christmas! 

bshirley1968 Dec 12, 2017 6:30 PM Permalink

The neighborhood is growing up.  Won't be long now and there will be a move to destroy challengers and re-establish the seat of power in one location.  It has gotten spread out.  And now this crypto thing is destroying the dollar system dominance.There is about to be a fight for survival all over the world.  I am afraid the standard of living in the US is about to be the first to go.  Going to drop a few notches......real quick.  That'll hurt.The power struggle that was nonexistent for the last 40 years is intense. ....all of a sudden.The principles in the Bill of Rights, family, freedom, and the helpless are the things honorable men fight and due for.

overmedicatedu… Dec 12, 2017 4:54 PM Permalink

in nam, we won on the battle AO was peaceful when I left..the vc and nva no where..then the pols gave it all away in paris with the likes of john f 'n kerry cheering them on. every war is lost in DC with traitors in suits..ROI written to prevent victory is sop in that snake pit on the potomac was sad to watch our guys die to take towns in Iraq, then turn em over..we should be pumping oil and keeping the money from that country..until every cent spent getting rid of sadam was paid back with interest..every GI there should have gotten some of the spoils,,like armies of old.but no the money went into deep pockets of the MIC and pols..the loot of war ends up with folks like soros and clinton's

pynky01 overmedicatedu… Dec 12, 2017 5:11 PM Permalink

.in nam..we couldn't bomb the harbours where the ships were unloading the arms to kill our troops... we couldn't stop mccaine from giving info to the NVA that killed and captured pilots... we elect traitors here in the good ole USA ... we elect half-breeds bent on destroying our nation... we elect criminals ... we elect pedos ... sexual predators... we have nothing to fight for that is not compromised after the fact... time for citizens duty..NOW THAT IS SOMETHING TO FIGHT FOR...we have the right ... voting has got us to this point ... USA, if Trump is elected in 2020, has about 8 more years before we learn first hand what is worth fighting for...marxist jew is your enemy... what is a marxist jew...look at our govt elected officials dual citizens.. cowards and criminals ...yeah you got it goin on good ole USA...all we need is a little TOILET PAPER to finish the job  .wipe the dual passport jews off your aass ... 

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Fireman Dec 12, 2017 4:32 PM Permalink

"What Should We Fight For?" Silly Paddy!  USSANS always fight for the same thing...the juice you dummy, the juice!War is, was and alwyas will be the harvest of the juice. Simple if you check the facts.

Boubou Dec 12, 2017 3:50 PM Permalink

It is clear. America is always at war asserting it's right to control everything and everyone in its own interests.Enough shock and awe and most countries sit up and beg without a bomb being dropped, to include Europe, UK, Australasia, Japan, S Korea,  ( all occupied ) India, Pakistan, and countless other lesser entities.The rest learn the hard way.

Versengetorix Dec 12, 2017 3:42 PM Permalink

What Pat is pointing to on many fronts is that the US has become a puppet state ruled by a Jewish elite, for the sole benefit and protection of Israel.  Will America wake up and shed itself from these overlords or will it continue to dine on bullshit from the midia and entertainment industries - also extensions of the Rothschild's control.

Deep Snorkeler Dec 12, 2017 3:29 PM Permalink

What I Fight ForRockets Red Glare, Bombs Bursting in Air,the NFL, baseball and patriotic tattoos;Wall Street algo trading and mortgage loans,real estate, income and sales taxes,working for the Man, defending Japan,half naked news ladies on TV,Congressional integrity and tax-free Jesus houses.

HRClinton Deep Snorkeler Dec 12, 2017 3:55 PM Permalink

+1, cause I 'got' your cheeky sarcasm.BTW, you're playing fast & loose with your language, by calling them "ladies".Technically, a Lady is a title of British Nobility - bestowed by QE2. E.g. "Lady Margaret Thatcher". It's the female counterpart to being Knighted as 'Sir'. Neither title (Sir, Lady) is transferable to descendants.No US citizen fits that bill. Thus, I'd call them "women" -- to be correct. Assuming that they (a) are geologically women, and (b) self-identify as women. Otherwise other labels apply, with varying degree of social politeness.

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Mustafa Kemal Dec 12, 2017 3:21 PM Permalink

I would fight to 1) return to  the constitution2) pull the plug on the CIA, FBI, FEMA and DHS3) repeal ciitzens united4) implement extreme campaign finance reform, where $ dont input5) Bring our troops home6) Require a declaration of war from congress before sending any troops7) stop selling weapons8) stop regime change, instead change our own regime 9) educate our childrenn10) start making things ( other than weapons and Assbook) again. 

Fecund Stench Dec 12, 2017 3:07 PM Permalink

Did Pat not get the message that Crimea's Constitution contained a provision to vote to return to Russia if they felt threatened, having given up its nukes with promise of protection by NATO?FFS. Crimea voted 96% to return to Russia and have no intention of returning to ZioNazi plundered Ukraine.

WTFUD Dec 12, 2017 3:07 PM Permalink

Why Pat, it's ALL Ours. lol

If we're gonna invest a Trill in our Overlords at MIC, then we need to spill blood to justify that Cash-Cow Bonanza.

MusicIsYou Dec 12, 2017 3:01 PM Permalink

There's nothing about the American way of life that's worth fighting for. Life is strang isn't it? I was just a moment ago washing my hands and my sleeve got wet on my tan sweatshirt and for just a moment I had flashbacks to my WW2 khakis this body has never known.

Deep Snorkeler Dec 12, 2017 2:59 PM Permalink

What the American Empire Stands For1. perpetual war2. privilege and riches for the 1%3. serfdom for the working class4. corporations and the state are one5. Security: the rich have gold the poor have lead6. delusions, hallucinations and myths for the lumpen

MaxThrust Deep Snorkeler Dec 12, 2017 6:55 PM Permalink

If we look back in history we see all the same trends.Take the white mans war against the American Indian. It was an illegal land grab. The Indian became the serf or prisoner and most of the riches of the lands went to the 1%. Even in thoes days the rich had their enforcers.The indians were portrayed in white man newspapers as the villian similar to how the Palastinians are portrayed via the global press in their battle againts Israel to get the their land back.

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trailer park boys Dec 12, 2017 2:52 PM Permalink

"What America needs is a new national consensus on what is vital to us and what is not, what we are willing to fight to defend and what we are not." The Military-Industrial-Intel-Corporate Complex will make that decision. And as always, it's all about 'Moar War'.

HRClinton janus Dec 12, 2017 3:19 PM Permalink

Re "our fight is for the preservation and cultivation of Western Civilization...nothing more/nothing less."Does 'Western Civilization' include the corrupt ideologies of the ME?Specifically... does it include:   - Judaism? <-- the ideology of wolves   - Judaism spinoffs (Christianity)? <--- the ideology of sheep (women and slaves)Just checking your thinking and yard/meter stick.(If it were me, I'd repudiate them all -- no matter in how many cultural trappings they wrap them.)

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samsara Dec 12, 2017 2:33 PM Permalink

"Tillerson’s principled rejection of the seizure of land by military force - “never accept” - came just one day after President Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and pledged to move our embassy there.How did Israel gain title to East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Golan Heights? Invasion, occupation, colonization, annexation." There it is, DOUBLE standard from the Double passport people. 

novictim Dec 12, 2017 2:28 PM Permalink

We should have long ago, at least during the cold war,  defined American values very concretely and then looked at those values as a mission statement:  Freedom (Free Speech, right to assemble, open democracy/Republic, right to hold elected offcials accountable, etc), Liberty (Golden Rule as the determinant), Rule of Law, etc etc. Had we done this then we would never have allied with dictators in the developing world, would never have allowed Muslim migration, would have already allied with Russia and would be pushing back on Russia and the EU to become more transparent and representative of the people/more democratic. Countless lives and treasure could have been preserved if a basic mission statement of values and purpose had been adopted for all Presidents to follow. 

itstippy novictim Dec 12, 2017 3:27 PM Permalink

During the Vietnam era the U.S.A. went to war for ideological reasons, encouraged by the bankers of course (all wars are bankers' wars).  Our commitment in SE Asia was to prevent a "domino effect" of Communism consuming the World (or some such shit).  The Vietnam War debacle was based on idealism: the promotion of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.Wars now are about oil.  All that shit about "weapons of mass destruction" was an obvious red herring; "Kick their ass and take their gas" was the real motive and every thinking American knew it.  Iraq had nothing do do with 9/11, and had no weapons of mass destruction.    Iraq had OIL.  Libya had OIL. We bow and scrape before the Saudis because they have lots of OIL.  We like the Brits because they backed us up in our quest for OIL.  We mock the French because they called bullshit on our quest for OIL and refused to participate. The Caucasus have oil fields also.  A primary goal of the Wehrmacht in Operation Barbarosa was to capture the precious oil fields of the Caucasus.

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Boubou itstippy Dec 12, 2017 3:41 PM Permalink

I don't have rosy view of Vietnam. Although US got its ass kicked, no domino effect ever happened, so that theory was loser. In fact the subsequent government did a lot better than the corrupt sleazebag predecessors we fought to preserve.Can you kill 500, 000 peasants and drop 3000 tons of chemical weapons on an impoverished country because you have a theory? I say no.As to the rest I agree. Unswerving support from UK of any and all US illegal interventions is a deep shame for many Brits.

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CRM114 Boubou Dec 12, 2017 5:43 PM Permalink

The problem was not that the theory didn't work, it was that it was considered too big a risk not to try it. Hindsight is 20/20. The theory was logically reasonable with the knowledge of the time; unlike remaining in Afghanistan, which was f#cking stupid from the get-go.Vietnam was lost because of faulty strategy (effectively, spineless politicians over-concerned with the media, and stateside Generals over-concerned with their own importance) not any problem with the Domino Theory.

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Felix da Kat Dec 12, 2017 2:26 PM Permalink

 We do need a new national consensus as to what is vital to America and what is not. However, it is an unattainable aspiration because too many government leaders who privately regard themselves as "Masters-of-the-Universe" (many of whom are Obama-era neocon appointees) that work behind the scenes and who forge US policy, will never relinquish their prerogative to design and execute US foreign policy. They love the game of manipulation too much. America will continue to be held hostage to their whims and wars. And it seems as though the only thing that will ever free the American people of these selfish, arrogant misfits is a major war (possibly civil) that will unseat those vermin.

MusicIsYou Dec 12, 2017 2:26 PM Permalink

Americans are riddled with PTSD even before their boots are down on the battlefield - you've got nothing to fight for except some puke dystopia nation that lost it's way 100 years ago.

venturen Dec 12, 2017 2:20 PM Permalink

Freedom of the people of the USA from the government and its cronies! The manipulation of everything by Wall Street...with the blessing of Washington DC is a low point in American History. In the old days....Robber least used their own money and built the TAXPAYER prints the money and gives it to the CRIMINALS OF WALL STREET