Who Ya Gonna Fight? Landmark Treaty Signed To Create EU Army

EU leaders formerly endorsed the harmless sounding Permanent Structured Cooperation, or PESCO, pact on Thursday evening in Brussels. After the shock of Brexit, the goal of defence integration was revived by former military foes, Germany and France, supported by Italy and Spain, in a show of EU unity. A similar proposal was blocked by the French parliament in the 1950s (see below). Now a treaty has been signed which sees the defence union complete by 2025 in what has been described as “one of the most tangible steps in EU integration since Brexit”.

Britain, thanks to Brexit, Malta and Denmark, which has an “opt out” on EU defence issues did not sign the agreement. Standing in the front row on the left of the group photo was the President of the undemocratic European Commission, Jean Claude Juncker, who has been calling for an EU army for many years. In 2015, The Guardian reported.

The European Union needs its own army to help address the problem that it is not “taken entirely seriously” as an international force, the president of the European commission has said. Jean-Claude Juncker said such a move would help the EU to persuade Russia that it was serious about defending its values in the face of the threat posed by Moscow. “You would not create a European army to use it immediately,” Juncker told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper in Germany in an interview published on Sunday.

Back then, it was really just about furthering the European project, especially as the need for an EU army in parallel to NATO has never been adequately explained. This was Reuters commenting on the new defence pact.

European Union nations are set to achieve a 70-year-old ambition to integrate their defenses on Thursday, signing a pact between 25 EU governments to fund, develop and deploy armed forces together after Britain’s decision to quit the bloc. France’s President Emmanuel Macron said “concrete progress” had been made, and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the pact would make the EU more agile abroad. “This is not about replacing NATO, it is about being more flexible and using our resources better,” Rutte told reporters.

Hmmm. Meanwhile, the Reuters article has a stab at making a coherent case based on more recent events.

A bigger impetus came from failings in the 1990s, when EU governments were unable to act in the Balkan wars and relied on U.S.-led NATO to stop the bloodshed on their doorstep. In Libya in 2011, a Franco-British air campaign ran out of munitions and equipment and was again forced to turn to the United States, in what is considered an enduring embarrassment for the European Union, a major economic power.

Which sounds more like justification for NATO rather than an EU defence force. Talking of which, NATO’s secretary-general, Jens Stoltenberg, who attended part of the summit, warned against duplication with NATO since 22 EU countries are also NATO members.

“There has to be coherence between the capability developments of NATO and the European Union. We cannot risk ending up with conflicting requirements from the EU and from NATO to the same nations,” he told reporters. “Forces and capabilities developed under EU initiatives also have to be available for NATO because we only have one set of forces,” Stoltenberg said.

Not surprisingly, the announcement was greeted with some bravado from “rough tough” EU bureaucrats, like European Council President, Donald Tusk, who said it was “bad news for our enemies”. According to Tusk.

“More than half a century ago, an ambitious vision of the European Defence Community was created but what was missing was the unity and courage to put it into practice,” Tusk, who chairs EU summits, said of the failed 1950s attempt. “The dream was at odds with reality. Today this dream becomes reality,” he said in a speech in front of EU leaders and military personnel from each of the 25 countries involved.

Germany’s foreign minister blamed it on Donald Trump’s criticism of low defence spending by European nations.

“It’s sad that we needed Donald Trump to give us a boost, but whatever, it is the right outcome,” said former German foreign minister Joschka Fischer, who as minister backed NATO’s intervention in Kosovo in 1999 but opposed the 2003 Iraq war.

Reuters reported the irony noted by EU diplomats that UK Prime Minister, Theresa May, wants Britain to join the agreement despite leaving the EU. We had thought Theresa May meant it when she said “Brexit means Brexit”, but apparently not (quite).

“We do face a number of threats across Europe,” May said. “I‘m very clear that although the British people took a sovereign decision to leave the EU, that does not mean that we were going to be leaving our responsibilities in terms of European security,” she told reporters.

Why she would want Britain to be part of a defence force controlled by an unelected bureaucrat of the calibre of Jean Claude Juncker is a mystery (to us anyway). Speaking last month before the treaty was signed, former UKIP leader Nigel Farage argued.

The pact means a European army, navy, air force. They are already establishing their own command centre in Brussels. "They’ve got the fund, the structures set up for all of it. Already they are divvying up which country will do the helicopter work, which country will be the major naval provider. All of that is happening right now.

Mr Farage…(took the) chance to also take a dig at European Commission President Jean Claude Juncker – a key proponent of a new “functioning European defence union”. Mr Farage said: “I sat there in September – baring in mind I have seat number 20 in the European Parliament, my friend Jean-Claude Juncker is seat number 21 so I was the closest elected official to him – when he gave that speech. I thought to myself “thank goodness we are leaving!” because we are not going to be part of these European military structures any more.”



knukles mtl4 Fri, 12/15/2017 - 14:25 Permalink

Hah ha ha haBetcha the Brits are sooooo fucking glad they're not gonna be part of that debacle.Can you imagine the political correctness?I can just see Juncker, literally falling off a bar stool slobbering on about God and EU's manifest destiny at his hand.

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knukles ThirdWorldNut Fri, 12/15/2017 - 14:33 Permalink

“You would not create a European army to use it immediately,” Juncker told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper in Germany in an interview published on Sunday."He's right you know.  You create an army to use an a little while, shortly, momentarily ...  but not immediately. It scares the neighborsHave you any fucking idea how Vlad will respond to this shit from the EU?No Gas For You!

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nope-1004 wildbad Fri, 12/15/2017 - 15:14 Permalink

I must have missed the election that was held on this for the people in those countries.Ya, that's right, a democracy does things democratically.  THIS is not a democracy and my guess is there are probably hidden articles in that "law" that prohibits members from exiting.Fuck the EU. 

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wildbad wildbad Fri, 12/15/2017 - 15:23 Permalink

for anyone who ever wondered, "how in hell did the jews NOT see this Nazi thing coming?"

now you get to try it on for size.

what will be the step which makes you start checking out new south american citizenship?

Juncker IS a NAZI and so are all of the misleaders of europe.

anyone here remember being asked to sign off on this one? not me brother.

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Blankone knukles Fri, 12/15/2017 - 15:57 Permalink

The other point of view might be that such an EU military is meant to bring force against the growing unrest within the EU itself and not against Russia.

And since it will be a multinational military, the French contingent can take the role of shooting Germans when needed and some other contingent will shoot the Spaniards who are troublesome etc..

And behind the curtains of the EU there will be a certain group of people giving directions to the top commanders of each branch. It is to be "their" military.

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Max UK Blankone Sun, 12/17/2017 - 14:41 Permalink

Consider also, the budgetary burden of funding both a national army, and obligations to be in an EU army.The combination of budgetary pressure, and political pressure, will result in termination of national armies and acceptance of a foreign military presence, where you have some ostensible influence, but no control. By any definition, this is loaded with connotations of vassaldom and surrender of sovereignty.The American war of northern aggression (aka American civil war) is sending us a message.

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waspwench knukles Fri, 12/15/2017 - 16:27 Permalink

Vlad won't care. The EU army is only to be used for the control of the EU population. Any misguided country which wants to leave the EU will find itself occupied territory as Brussells will immediately send in the EU army to put down the rebellion. UK had better be out before this army is operational.

BTW the Europeans have never been willing to fund their own defense - they left that to the US and the UK. so obviously this is not about defense.

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Max UK waspwench Sun, 12/17/2017 - 14:14 Permalink

The UK (and Ireland) are islands, and woud anyway be beyond the powers of an EU force to exert its will. They would however, have provided money and soldiers for the same project to suppress disobedience elsewhere in the EU.Brexit is good for Britain, and the rest of the EU citizenry.

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webmatex knukles Sat, 12/16/2017 - 07:18 Permalink

Just when it appears the US may be at the beginning of an era of retrenchment and defeat in the ME the New Junker Army is formed to reinforce the European boot in Africa - the "colonies".These fuckers want an army - after inviting and accepting a succesful invasion of millions - and doomed the future social/economic foundations of most member countries - vow to protect us from Uncle Vlad and the Iranian hordes and guard our sacred European culture and democracy - and a few more new taxes.I DON'T WANT YOUR FASCIST EU ARMY or NATO. END THE SANCTIONS. TEAR DOWN THE FUCKING WALL WE WANT TO GET OUT!

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OverTheHedge knukles Fri, 12/15/2017 - 14:34 Permalink

I'm thinking more about the riff-raff of Eastern Europe, led by German officers, kicking in doors in Greece, Portugal, France, the Low Countries etc. Are they planning a NATO style national troops lent out to the organisation, or raising a pan european, Brussels based EU army, more akin to the French Foreign Legion? The Babel Battalion. First use will be to keep the peace during separatist riots in {enter name of city here}.Even more fun if they raise a mercenary army of (sub-saharan) foreigners with the promise of EU citizenship after service. This could get weird in so many ways. At least we can count on Brussels to make decisions based purely on their own personal gain, not for the benefit of the EU as a whole. Should help the march to freedom.

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waspwench OverTheHedge Fri, 12/15/2017 - 16:37 Permalink

Why else did anyone think they were bringing in all those low IQ, young, healthy, single guys from Sub-saharan Africa. Those goons are to be the troops in the new army.

They will not be troubled by having to kill their own people, because they won't be killing their own people. Their only loyalty will be to Brussels. Brussels may eventually find that their loyalty is actually to the caliphate but that's another story.

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BarkingCat SoDamnMad Fri, 12/15/2017 - 18:38 Permalink

If you are from one of the Baltic nations that it is entirely likely that your ancestors were part of the Commonwealth that had those Winged Hussars. They also very likely played a very pivotal role in many battles along side them or protecting the Commonwealth when the Hussars were deployed in war.The Hussars got the glory in crushing the Ottomans in Vienna but the Lithuanian forces deployed later to ensure that Hungary did not invade while the nation was unprotected.  King Sobieski warned the Hungarians not to invade while he is fighting the Ottomans. The Hungarians did not listen and got their asses kicked by the Lithuanians. 

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mkkby jaap Fri, 12/15/2017 - 14:39 Permalink

Very good news for US taxpayers. Now the US can finally leave germany 70 years after the war is over.

Bring home all US troops, including the fake ones employed by 3 letter agencies. Downgrade the military to a small force defending the borders. Go maga... another win.

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Big Creek Rising mkkby Fri, 12/15/2017 - 15:11 Permalink

Uh, I think you may be wrong on that one.  Remember, we are THE INDISPENSABLE NATION, the world's policeman, guarantor of democracy and  subservience freedom  for all mankind.Our leaders have committed us to pay any cost for his service to humanity.Pardon me now, I must go vomit.

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