ALERT: Climate Engineering out of control - Go long defense

If you live in USA you may have noticed recently the weather is really weird.  As this is not being widely reported in the ALT media, we felt an obligation to start a conversation.  So let's lead into this with a bombastic statement - Raytheon (RTN) controls the weather.  How is this possible you say?  Let's start with a background on GeoEngineering / Climate Modifcation whatever you call it.  There's basically one site, well documented, that has a list of information and documents including but not limited to laws passed by the US Senate, Patents filed on climate modification technology, and related issues, start with the documents section here.

This recent ZH article outlines the latest info bits from the winter freeze.

So why do 'they' do this you ask?  There are several clear answers to this.  Like anything, follow the money.  America, Inc. has commercialized everything from child care to even the weather.

  1. Weather Wars are one of many new next generation military tactics used against US enemies.  Imagine the plausible deniability!  If you look at US enemies, for example North Korea, it hasn't rained there in years.  The famine, blamed on the nut job leader, is really a result of the lack of rain.  Farms have not been able to grow crops in 12 years.  It was successful, to the point that it accomplished what it set out to. You can see a similar theme in Iraq, Cuba, and other enemies high on the list.  We're not criticizing US Military strategy here, actually it's extremely intelligent.  We're just pointing out that for Military applications, manipulating the weather has obvious benefits.  (See this published report - "Owning the Weather")
  2. Commerce.  Under the military economic thinking, destruction is creation.  It's a paradoxical doctrine but yet it persists in the culture of the Army which by the way is 60% private.  Yes that's right, the majority of the military are corporations, public and private, like Raytheon (RTN), Lockheed (LMT), and many others.  This is a big category so we're going to have to break this down into:
    1. Environmental cleanup.  Here's how it works, big industry pollutes the environment.  Real capitalism involves the creation of toxic waste.  The civil rights movement and labor laws have prevented most abuses of employees at least in the USA (compared to what it was 100 years ago) however big corporations just mostly moved offshore.  However it did little for the environment.  Factories, automobiles, overcrowded cow pastures, poorly maintained nuclear facilities, and hundreds of other hazards are slowly destroying the planet.  One purpose of climate engineering programs is to reverse some of these effects, the topic for another article.  By creating an artificial haze in the air, with various metals, it would create an additional layer of protection and potentially 'cool' the planet to counterbalance an overall warming trend (or something to that affect).  Practically there is not enough public data to make proper analysis so we're not going to bother searching.  This is all done on a private basis.
    2. Destroy/Rebuild.  South Florida and Houston and Southern California have been severely damaged.  With the exception of the insurance industry, contractors and companies like Bechtel are going to make a fortune.  Emergencies get Federal funds too, and it's not something that someone can have a problem with as far as releasing the budget - it's always approved.  Who wants to deny some poor family FEMA funds to rebuild their house after a major storm?  It's just a way to get money for rebuilding something that should have been built properly in the first place.  People who live in South Florida in wood houses on the beach should not be surprised if a Hurricane destroys it.
    3. Weather dependent commodities.  When the last Hurricane pummeled South Florida the price of FCOJ went through the roof.  Now, as this recent storm freezes the Northeast, it's NatGas that's exploding.  There's no telling how this information can be used to gain an edge in markets, or to influence some business one way or another (either by destroying the competition, or by helping the repair companies gain business).  There's a number of strategies afoot here.  We don't have access to their operations manuals, obviously, so we can only guess.  But we can put our bets that whoever stands to gain, whoever is profiting, is somehow involved (even if indirectly) with this deal.  You can note that when there's a big storm Raytheon (RTN) stock gets a little boost.
    4. Unknown Goals.  There can be PsyOps at play here, or a number of political goals, or something like how Howard Hughes bought up property along the San Andreas fault line waiting for 'the big one' to break off California into the sea, leaving him with beachfront property.  The weather is a powerful force and there can be vast power and riches for those who control it.  This is probably why this is such a secret!

Possibly, a whistle-blower will come forward with some evidence.  Everything presented here logically is based on circumstantial and anecdotal evidence.  The 1996 paper published by the Air Force was a research paper, and the Air Force has come out publicly multiple times stating this is not policy and this was just 'theoretical.'  We haven't had an Edward Snowden event for geo engineering, but perhaps we will.

The most compelling evidence is right above us.  Look up in the sky.  For those over 30 years old and especially for those 60 and older, that cannot recall 'contrails' from the 70s (If 'chemtrails' are just jet 'contrails' why didn't they exist in the 70s and 80s and early 90s?)

Why has the weather in USA been so GOOD and so BAD particularly in US enemies?  They are not 'clients' of the program?

This global map is revealing:


Here's two well researched articles for further reading:…

So in conclusion, is this really a 'bad' thing?  Not necessarily, just like with any black project, the ultimate conflict exists, and will persist, as long as such programs remain in the dark.  Until they come out in public, it's probably a good idea to add the following stocks to your retirement portfolio:  RTN, GD, BA (LON), COL, LLL ...

The chance that these businesses will 'cannibalize' due to a Bitcoin paradigm shift or any other are slim to none.  They have an artificial self-created business engine that practically guarantees that as long as the current US government exists in its current form, which it will likely for hundreds of years - there will be 'enemies' and 'weather' and many other problems only these companies can solve.  And if there is peace, and good weather, they will create wars, and storms.  Hey - they need to put food on the table.

For a good look at how the world really works, checkout Splitting Pennies (and Splitting Bits, the sequel)


DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 09:30 Permalink

Weather isn't the only thing 'they' are messing with electronically.


Some fascinating viewing and listening for a frigid Sunday morning about our wonderful Intelligence Community right here on US soil.

You think these asswipes do evil, nefarious shit overseas? ... Get a load of this:

This link deserves a re-post ( *ht* : SixIsNinE)

! *****( Your Tax Dollars At Work - Stalking, Surveillance, and Harassing Your Ass - Welcome To Stasi America, Sucker! )***** !

This is not science fiction, people. ...... This is your tax dollars at work!

Remember that 6 trillion USD 'gone missing' from the DoD budget? You can buy a LOT of microwave gear for a billion USD. Think of how much 'mind fracking' gear and operator payroll a half trillion USD will buy. ........ This is war-making technology and the assholes are testing it on their own troops and population.

Don't think your government would do that to you?

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Our overlords have actually convinced the people and sheeple of America that they have National Security (What fucking a joke!) and the best interest of We The People at heart and are getting us to pay, and pay, and pay, and pay for our own destruction. ...... They spoon feed us blatant lies .....Then they use us all as lab rats for 'weapons of war' testing for dessert.

Live Hard, The DC Cesspool Is Overflowing And Flooding Main Street Small Town USA AND Now It Is Raining Full Blown Stupid To Boot!, Die Free

~ DC v8.4


Moe-Monay DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 10:13 Permalink

Oh fuck too.  Hairbrained youtuber out of control attention whore saying anything for eyeballs.

The weather is not under anyone's control.  God damned nonengineers and their ignorance of physics.  This sort of thing is used to discredit some very valid theories by getting them lumped into the same basket with them.

Zh going to start running the flat earth stuff?  I'm pretty sure that shit is perpetuated just so they can get it tossed in the basket with theories the powers that be want discredited.

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DuneCreature Moe-Monay Sun, 01/07/2018 - 10:29 Permalink

If you think HAARP and weather modification is made up fantasy that is your prerogative. .. If you think state sponsored gang stalking and ELF 'mind messing' (Notice I didn't say 'mind control') and mood modifying microwave gear and use on the general population doesn't exist that is also your prerogative.

Live Hard, Me, I Know Much Better, I've Worked On 'Mind Messing' Projects For Proxy IC Contractors And None Of The Checks Ever Bounced, Die Free

~ DC v8.4


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Moe-Monay DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 13:29 Permalink

Here is a summary of my position regarding this:  if you believe this "weather machine" shit you're a technical illiterate. 

No I don't believe the gov't cares about me.  I think they are criminals.  But given my level of innate skills in mathematics and science I have a very good idea of the levels of energy / power required to accomplish tasks.

You are discrediting anything else you talk about by signing on what is tantamount to flat earth theories.  Some stuff is just plain stupid on the face of it if you have any technical talent whatsoever.

You obviously do not. That's no sin. The sin is when you don't recognize your limitations and shut the fuck up.  You keep talking and you look the fool.

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Taint Boil Moe-Monay Sun, 01/07/2018 - 14:13 Permalink

Amazing how the basic laws of physics eludes the common folk .....

Copy and paste from the internet (must be true):

Taken over the entire cloud shield of an "average" hurricane, the energy released daily in the form of rain and wind is the equivalent of about 13,000 megatons -- almost equal to the destructive potential of all the weapons in the Cold War missile silos in the United States and the former Soviet Union. That's a million Hiroshima bombs exploded at a rate of more than 10 a second -- 20 Little Boys for each of the 50,000 (estimated) cities on the planet.

95% of the people won't get that [the above]

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DuneCreature Moe-Monay Sun, 01/07/2018 - 15:47 Permalink

You are protesting pretty hard there, Moe.

How much control of the weather do some of these DARPA funded projects achieve? .. I have no idea. .. You are correct, the weather control aspects of EM radiation and even Chemtrails lies outside of my main area of interest.

Those heavy metals are there for doing a lot more than reflecting sunlight.

Dr Nick Begich seems to think HAARP and phased array antenna with enough power applied can heat up the atmosphere considerably. .. Applied heat should affect something up there. …. Drive hurricanes around? .. I doubt it. .. That seems a stretch.

Why don’t you fill us in with your knowledge of physics and expertise some? A lot of readers here can handle formulas and exponents, I’m sure.

Live Hard, Badgering And Berating Me Makes Me Think You Might Have A Hidden Agenda For That Gov’t You Don’t Seem To Think Cares About Cha, Die Free

~ DC v8.4

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Anonymous_Bene… DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 16:16 Permalink

Heavy metals poisoning = cancer.

I don't have time to find link but there is a cancer doctor at the Cleveland Clinic who has a remission rate of over 90% fro his patients. His first protocol is to put his patients on a heavy metal detox program. If they won't do it he sends them elsewhere.

As someone in the metal fabrication industry I'm exposed to these toxins every day through welding and cutting fumes. I eat a diet high in heavy metal removers such as cilantro. The body of average person excretes it very slowly over time, some people have a genetic defect that doesn't allow their body to release any heavy metals on their own. Yeast infections are a sign of heavy metal detox, the yeast binds to the mercury etc in the bowels and removes it by excretion. I was plagued by these infections until I got my levels under control. It's a long process but I feel much better in general. Also had my mercury fillings removed...several symptoms slowly disappeared after that!

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DuneCreature Anonymous_Bene… Sun, 01/07/2018 - 17:49 Permalink

Yep, yep, and nano aluminum (from the Chemtrail spraying) breathed into the sinuses and past the blood brain barrier will seriously affect (degrade) your brain functioning.

I know they won’t acknowledge the term ‘Chemtrails’ and refer to all that work as Geo-engineering, but I call it Bio-engineering too.

Looking at it as a bio assault gives Chemtrails a whole new meaning, doesn’t it?

It’s one thing to seed some clouds for rain and entirely another when you realize they are crop dusting us with ‘pesticides’ and heavy metals that are not good for anything alive.

Live Hard, We Are The Pests, Not The Crops To These Assholes Hosing Us Down Daily, Die Free

~ DC v8.4

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. . . _ _ _ . . . DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 22:51 Permalink

Big petro-chem likes to sell its by-products, rather than have to dispose of them as waste. Just re-name 'waste' to 'ingredient', and you can put it in anything as part of a proprietary formula. Lotsa' companies dispose of waste products through consumer goods such as cleaning products, lawn care products, cosmetics, fabric coatings, chemtrails, cigarettes, food additives, the water supply... (nail polish is made from the sludge left over after oil has been refined into gasoline, kerosene, chemical ingredients, etc. It sells for $1000/litre. Ketchup, just some rotten tomatoes, vinegar, salt, sugar, sells for $4/l. Gas is a buck and a quarter and we scream bloody murder.)
How much waste does the military produce? Secret ingredients can not be classified as toxic since the FDA hasn't seen them yet (not that that would change much.)

Of course they are spraying shit in the sky, based on delusional thinking, financed through knee-jerk reactionism to problems which are being created by those behind the scenes. There's lots of research into recycling waste products in chem labs goin' on. (I think that there is a need for some very hard evidence in this matter, which at the moment, seems lacking. I'd look to the insurance companies.)

I remember seeing contrails, an inch or two long in the sky; hell, if they had been as long as they are today, thousands would have called emergency services thinking the plane was on fire. But when Disney changed only the clouds, making them long and thin, in its splash screen, that sorta' tipped the bit for me. Btw, ever seen the flag on top of Disney Castle?

Besides, airplane engines are far more efficient these days and produce fewer contrials than earlier jets, not more. If that's water vapour, like they say, how come they put so much water in the gas? Where's the water coming from, if it's water?

FlightRadar24 shows data on planes currently overhead in real-time. I photographed two identical planes with identical engines at nearly the same altitude from which the first left a contrail, and the second left a 'persistant contrail' stretching to the horizon, two minutes apart. Despite variable altitudes and weather conditions above 30,000 ft., the effects stayed constant from horizon to horizon. I've written about this, something ... silver-iodide ... something. Some good links.

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. . . _ _ _ . . . DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 22:58 Permalink

Well, civilians would handle most spraying so contaminating a supply with bio weapons would be pretty easy. If it were military, it could be more dire; they could stealth spray on a moonless night and over unprepared civilian targets. Think about all those bio-labs in Georgia and Kazakhstan. Saddam used US chem, and Assad didn't have any. Somebody is still making it, but if bio is included, that's like genocide2, and very hard to prove.

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Flankspeed60 DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 16:51 Permalink

You're wasting your time on Moe. Sometimes folks with a smattering of tech background can be as obnoxious as those who cannot even spell 'science' correctly. Moe needs to spend a bit more time reading about 'Butterfly Effect,' Chaos theory, non-linear systems, and then pay close attention to Lockheed's 'Skunk Works'. There are untouchable pockets of government who control technologies unimaginable to the masses. Not every conspiracy is a 'theory.'

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DuneCreature Flankspeed60 Sun, 01/07/2018 - 17:35 Permalink

I think Moe may be wasting his time on us.

The, “You’re stupid, stop talking about flat earth and such and shut the fuck up because I am smarter than you!”, line doesn’t convince me of much of anything. …. How about you?

But he is a time sink distraction from the issue. .. Which maybe the whole idea. … The other thing to bear in mind is; Moe might just be an AI bot thrown at ZH for any number of purposes.

We will see plenty of AI bots in the future and, believe me, they will ‘know’ how to push your buttons.

Live Hard, When You See The AI AL Bot Army Show Up In Force You Will Know You Are Getting Close To The Evil Issues That AI AL Is Programmed To Keep You From Looking Into And Considering Seriously, Die Free

~ DC v8.4

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Winston Churchill Duc888 Sun, 01/07/2018 - 20:29 Permalink

Yes Hurricane Wilma did a 180 west to east after  sitting just offshore and pounding for days.

Wilma from memory, but it could have been any of the four hurricanes we had in quick

succession back then

Saw a TS do the same a decade earlier.Went sw  down around the bottom of Florida,

then went north up the gulf coast before turning ne across Florida and hitting us again.

Its why I don't pay much heed to the forecast tracks, neither time was that movement forecast at all,

until minutes before they left the previous forecast track.

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SixIsNinE Kefeer Sun, 01/07/2018 - 23:14 Permalink

Liverpool England New Years Eve:  - entire parking garage and 1400 cars got vaporized like some of the DEW santa rosa california fires and 9/11 nyc - CRAZY!


and here is Deb Tavares (her home was vaporized in the cali fires ) - she is the brains behind "" - talking with Barrie Trower on microwave weapons  2013

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BobEore Moe-Monay Sun, 01/07/2018 - 21:56 Permalink

he he heh....

yet another 'special genius' masquerading as an "engineer" with

innate skills in mathematics and science

who's overdue to take their own sound advice.... to

recognize your limitations and shut the fuck up.

That deadly aluminum dust they pour down daily on yas has clearly eaten away you brain brainiac. Next act - 'electrical engineers with elasticized pant fetish'... Yowser!

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MrBoompi DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 14:01 Permalink

For many decades now any new idea that had military or economic significance was swallowed up by the global industrialists and their defense industries.  We should all assume they've done this with weather manipulation technologies as well.  There is a lot of evidence we've been used as guinea pigs many times.  Sacrificing some of us for the greater good is never a problem for the planners.  

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SixIsNinE DuneCreature Sun, 01/07/2018 - 22:54 Permalink

Patriot Act authorizes experimental spraying of the population :


more chemtrail links:

*SHASTA, CA Hearing on Covert Chemtrail Operation *Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped *Ted Gunderson - Former FBI Head - Stop The "Death Dumps" (Chemtrails) *IS HISTORY BEING REPEATED SIMILAR TO THE NAZI REICHSTAG ENABLING ACT? *Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents *Morgellons & Smart Dust Infect Individuals to be Tracked via Satellite *Lookoutfa Charlie YouTube channel (chemtrail cures) *My CHEMTRAILS Playlist: *GeoEngineering Watch *Chemtrails: The Consequences of Toxic Metals and Chemical Aerosols on Human Health *Stop Spraying California: Chemtrails – What Are They Spraying? *If You Think These Are Just “Contrails” Think Again: Here’s What They Really Are *The Eight Major Chemtrail Types *Create Anything You Want With Programmable Matter *(Search) Experiments on Public by Government *Chemtrail Pilot Blows the Cover Off of OPERATION INDIGO SKYFOLD *Chemtrails: A Planetary Catastrophe Created by Geoengineering

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Moe-Monay Bondo Sun, 01/07/2018 - 13:32 Permalink

I am absolutely certain that "they" meaning the government can not modify the weather.

I believe that solar activity can modify the weather. Any of this fucking idiotic talk about weather modification is as stupid as the flat earth crap.  ( I believe the flat earth shit is probably part of a government disinformation campaign to set up subjects they can lump with other things that are true but they want to discredit. )

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11b40 Moe-Monay Sun, 01/07/2018 - 18:12 Permalink

Then simple explain chem trails to us.  I am 70, and recall a time when there were none.

My son is on the West Coast, and he has been using time lapse photography to show how they appear and gradually spread, often causing a bright sunny morning to become gray as the chem trails spread out.

Come on.  Give yourself a little cred with some facts, other than that simple "I am absolutely certain" routine.  You may be certain, but you aren't convincing anyone.

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OverTheHedge 11b40 Mon, 01/08/2018 - 11:34 Permalink

I struggle with this - the idea that commercial aircraft are loaded with weird heavy metals (think about the word "heavy" in the context of air travel), and gaily spray death and famine across the globe. I have stood under a fire-fighting plane as it unloaded 5tons of water, and seen just how little that is, and how innefectual on a big forest fire (although thank God we had them). I know how BIG the us is, and I have a fair idea how much goop you would need to make a difference, which is pointless because we already have a gazillion aircraft pumping tons of water vapour into the air (also known as clouds), as they fly about.

"There are more contrails now than there were 20 or 30 years ago, because there are a lot more flights now. But it’s not entirely that simple. As well as more frequent flights, there are more routes. Areas that almost never saw a contrail would suddenly start seeing them on a regular basis when a new route opened up between two cities. Say Denver, CO and Medford, OR. In 1990 there were no direct flights between Denver and Medford, so you’d have to fly from Denver to San Francisco, and then SF to Medford. Then an airline opens up a new route, and suddenly some towns on the line between Denver and Medford start seeing contrails."

Have you seen the studies done on 9/11 9/12 etc, when NO aircraft flew, and a significant increase in the ground temperature occurred? Horizon did a great thing on it:

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Moe-Monay Stinkbug 1 Sun, 01/07/2018 - 13:37 Permalink

uh no. You have to be a moron to believe this idiotic crap about weather modification.  Totally technically ignorant. 

There is reason for skepticism in many areas of human endeavor but this one is just so idiotic.  I don't believe in global warming for the same reason I don't believe in weather modification.  The sorts of levels of energy / co2 etc required are beyond the power / energy of all the thermonuclear bombs ever made.  

Stupid?  Well you tell me: are you an engineer?  scientist?  I would have to guess your occupation to be something outside of the technical fields.  If you are an engineer you ain't getting hired at my company cause you're not a good one.  You are unable to do the easiest of back of the envelope calculations.

BTW: chemtrails is not necessarily the same was weather mod.  I have seen the St Louis chemtrail paper.  Even if the gov't thinks it is modifying the weather it's not.  

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